Comparing 40's and height is meaningless chestbeating, becaue, bottom line:Heaps + BYU receivers > Utah secondaryBYU secondary >
Wynn and Utah receivers
@forrealBoth Preston Hadley (6'0, 200) and Joe Sampson (6'0, 205)
run legitimate 4.4 40's. Jordan Johnson (5'10, 175) is our fastest DB with a 40
time clocked at 4.37. We've got some good size and speed with this group. Best
potential at DB that we've had at BYU...now they just need the experience.I'm not too worried about our secondary. Their talent and athletic
ability should make up for their lack of experience early on in the season. That, and the fact that a great pass defense starts with a good pass
rush, which we will have this season.I think our D-Line is going to
be a lot better than people think. With Romney Fuga and Jordan Richardson
coming back from injury, we're going to be loaded. I think Travis Tuiloma is
going to have a big impact at the NT position. With him and Fuga rotating at
nose and Manemaleuna and Fangupo playing ends, we'll have 4 guys rotating on the
D-Line who are all 300+ lbs. That coupled with the best LB corps
BYU has had should make for a daunting defense. It's gonna be fun!Go Cougars!
For crying out loud! Can't it be game time already?!?!? Please?!?
Re: forreal"I'd love to go up against a freshman CB . . .
"bleah bleah bleahI don't think you, like most
ignorant football fans, really understand how fast even a 4.6 really is to the
average person.I doubt that you even run faster than a 5.3So be quiet.
The DB positions have always been BYU's achilles heel, historically.However, with Bronco at the helm, I think that stigma is gradually fading
Where's Stockton, I'll believe it when I see it. 2 games againsts Florida State
are forever seared into my memory. It's going to take a quite a bit to forget.
Boy...mention the Anae factor...which unfortunately for BYU was real and my
previous post can't make it to your DNews board with a statement that has
historically been proven to be correct and was logically sound. BYU has always
depended on thier ability to outscore thier opponents primarily because thier
weakest link in thier entire program has always been the defensive secondary.
However this year... and it seems for at least the next several years that weak
link may not be such a critical factor anymore. And as far as coaching factors
as well... that pretty much has also been taken care of whether you wish to not
use certain names or not.
Unfortunately, this is what it always comes down to with BYU. They just don't
have enough good DB's, and that is why they will always come up short. Losing
Andrew Rich was a huge blow.
forreal,Talk about laughable, you think you being able to manhandle
Divsion-1 college talent is more reasonable than comparing D-1 talent to NFL
talent? Are you one of those Maddon '11 couch potatoes that dreams of playing
for the NFL or something? Great stuff, great comedy!
forreal,Once again, missing the point. You obviously have little to
no respect for the size of BYU's DB's. I only proved that their size isn't far
off from NFL talent. Now I'm not talking about strength or speed, which this
article doesn't even touch. No doubt the DB's for the New York Jets are light
years ahead and it's too bad you somehow inferred that I was comparing them
talent-wise. Based on the info in the article you concluded that our crop of
DB's are small and weak. I simply countered that you're wrong to deduce that
from the stats offered in the article. You may want to deal in hyperbole, just
don't be surprised when it's made to look utterly ridiculous.
We have always had terrific DBs. Why should this year be any
This is an area of the field I worry about most about the Cougs. Andrew Rich
was a stud. A player like that can't be replaced easily, or at all.
Blue in the face,Your right on. Running fast at the wrong angles
does not help anyone. I hope Conroy learned to play a little better over the
summer.All right folks, have a good weekend. It was fun talking
trash, always is. Until next time....
giantfan,I've actually been laughing. This is so much fun for me.
When we fanatical football fans argue, there are a lot of "aboslutes"
thrown around. You're trying to compare byu's DBs to the Jets, I'm claiming to
be able to toss aside byu DBs. Classic stuff here. I just wonder wich claim is
more of a stretch. I think yours is, big time. Let me explain. It is
my expirience that the NFL does not inflate heights or wieghts one bit. In fact,
the combine measures people to the 1/8 inch. All the time you see college
players like Collie, all of a sudden get an inch shorter at the combine, hard to
argue that this isnt the case. And your mentioning alot of byu guys (the bigger
ones) that ARE NOT projected to start. My claim about tossing aside
a 5-10 175 pound BYU DB, is not as big of a strech as you may think. I don't
know if I want to take on the BYU DBs that are my own size. Maybe on the bench
forreal,I never said Andrew Rich was better than any drafted Ute DB.
I'm not even 100% confident he can make an NFL team. I wouldn't put all your
cards on Brandon Burton since he has yet to play a single down in the NFL. And
Robert Johnson? How many games has he played so far?Sean Smith ran a
4.5 at the 2009 NFL combine.
Maybe I misspoke about some of the current Utes' 40 times, but it was very funny
to watch Conroy Black, last year, running 'very fast' at the wrong angles and
from the wrong spot at our receivers. He should have been pulled. And he'll be
starting this year, no? Can't wait to see the Ute's article on their DBs. I'm
sure Whitt will claim he'll have the best defensive backfield in the PAC, like
he did several times in the past about his QBs and WRs when he was part of the
Mountain West. Ute hyperbole, got to love it!Go BYU!
forreal,You're missing my point. You said "BYU DBs don't go to
the NFL". Obviously you were wrong. I'm the first to admit that the DB
position has been a strong point for the Utes for years and a weak spot for the
Cougars but it certainly doesn't warrant the hyperbole you're spouting. If
you're going to say ridiculous stuff like, "I would love to go up against a
freshman CB that's 5'-10" 175 and laugh while he tries to jam me at the
line or tackle me. I could, at 30 years old, grab a little kid like that and
toss him out of the way. You can't say something like that and not expect get
called out on the carpet for it.
Re: ute4ever,Bukner is listed at 176 lbs, not 165.
In my last post, I meant "DB's" for both the Jets and BYU, not
forreal,NY Jets CB Roster:Marquice Cole 5-10 190Emanuel Cook 5-10 224Ellis Lankster 5-9 191Jim Leonhard 5-9 185Dwight Lowery 5-11 198Darrelle Revis 5-11 198Richard Taylor 5-11
190Kyle Wilson 5-10 190The ten players from BYU mentioned in
the article:Robbie Buckner 5-10 176Jordan Johnson 5-10 175Corby Eason 5-8 172Preston Hadley 6-0 200DaQuan Everett 6-3 210Daniel Sorensen 6-2 210Jrary Galeai 6-0 179Carter Mees 6-0 195Mike Hague 5-10 190Joe Sampson 6-0 205It appears that the
typical CB in the NFL, based on the Jets roster, is about 5-11 195. Now look up
and down that list of BYU CBs. Considering it's college ball and not the NFL,
doesn't look too shabby, does it? Are you going to toss them aside like rag
dolls, like you said?Sure you are.
giantfan,How is stating a fact like Utah being the school out of the
two that puts DBs in the NFL going to make me loose credibility. Are
you trying to argue that BYU puts as many DBs in the NFL as Utah?Are
you saying that FS Rich being undrafted is better than, say, FS Robert Johnson
getting drafted and the utes having multiple DB's going to the leage in a single
year? We are talking about quality, NFL DB's at Utah, like instant starters like
Sean Smith.And yes all these guys: Brandon Burton, Sean Smith,
Robert Johnson ... ran 4.4s at the NFL combine.We can throw examples
at each other all day, but the fact remains that Utah's list of quality DBs
produced, is longer than the Y's.It's BYU FB players that run slow
in the combine. Like Austin Collie. Way below average 40 time for a WR at his
combine. Austin Collie is a great reaciever. I'm just responding to Blue in the
faces comments about Utah inflating 40 times. If you want to look up
40 times at the combine, there is a website.
All U trollers who are dissing BYU's DB talent must not have read the article.
And if U are really wondering how fast they are, may I suggest a google search.
This is as talented, fast and deep of a DB corp as we've had in a while. The
only question is how well they will execute, given their inexperience.The good news is, our first couple of opponents should not be able to expose
any potential early season weakness. And by September 17, the DBs should be
"clicking on all cylinders."With a new QB, and big OL; Ole
Miss will rely on the run. Even though the QB position is
technically "open", Texas seems to be leaning towards Gilbert. After
a rough 2010, he won't have his confidence by week 2. They also lost one of
their top WRs to track.And then there's Utah. I still think there
are big question marks about Wynn's recovery from surgery and implementation of
Norm's more complex offense. I don't think U will test BYU's DB's. Your season
will rest on Langi's shoulders. If Wynn is reinjured, I wouldn't be surprised
to see U challenge WSU for their perennial spot.
TJ "BYU D-backs are both bigger and faster than those at TUN this year.
Look up the numbers."UtahKamaron Yancy: 5-9, 183, 4.45
speed, best verticle leap on the team (40inches)Conroy Black: 6-0, 186,
4.35 speedBYUPreston Hadley: 6-0, 200, 4.40 speedRobbie
Buckner: 5-10, 165, 4.56 speedThose sounded like the starting
corners to me. Can you please tell me which corners are "bigger and
faster"? Size is the same. Utah's corners run faster....but I'm not sure
I needed to look that up, since everyone knows that is always the case.That said, speed doesn't always equal talent. It will have to play out on the
field before any of you (or me) can evaluate who's secondary is better. I guess
with the lack of sports news...we have to fight about something, right?
And don't count out Andrew Rich making the team out of training camp in Arizona.
When the coaches see how intense he plays and gauge his heart out there on the
field, they'll have a real hard time leaving him off that Week 1 roster.
forreal said,"BYU DBs don't go to the NFL like Utes".Sorry but you're quickly losing credibility here. Aaron Francisco is now
a 5 year veteran in the NFL playing in the Superbowl with the Arizona Cardinals
in 2009 and now with the Colts. I'll be the first to admit that Weddle is a
better player but you don't last as long as Francisco in the NFL if you can't
LOL. All Ute athletes run 4.3 and 4.4 until they get timed at the
combines....Talk about Ute fan hyperbole.I'll admit that you
can recruit the better DBs at the UofU, but ours hold their own on the field.
Our DBs made Wynn and Cain look like stiffs last year. Look for more of the same
this year. Meanwhile, expect your defensive backfield to resemble a sieve to
Jake in September. I know, just pre-season projections. Should be fun.Go Cougars.
giant fan,Not new to fb, im a fanatic. And yes your right, there are
alot of great, short, CBs. But they don't weigh 175#s. You cant be
short, slow, weak, and light. I think you need a couple physical asets don't
you? Like maybe short, fast, and heavy. Or tall, fast, and light. You get my
Ute alum,"Weddle's only mistake is that he played for utah
instead of the Y. Great guy and skilled player."So your saying
that going undefeted while beating ranked teams (something the Y has NEVER
done), and winning a major bowl game against a ranked opponent(also something
the Y has never done), and getting sent to the NFL like so many other Utah DBs,
was a mistake?WOW!If you like the guy, why would you
wish that apon him. BYU DBs don't go to the NFL like Utes. That's a fact. They
are not even close to the same caliber. BYU could win games in the
80's with bad DB's, go undefeted without beating a ranked opponent, then facing
a six loss terrible team in a mid-major bowl game, and be voted number 1. You
can't do that any more, times have changed. Those specific stats have never
happend before, or since, in college football. It will never happen again. No
team that plays an easy schedule and a 50th ranked bowl oppontent will ever be
voted in the top five.
Papa Smurf,How did that "bend don't break D" work out for
the Utes against TCU, Notre Dame and Boise State?
forreal,Just to give you a real life example, many consider the NY
Jets to have the best corners in the NFL. Not one of them is listed over 5-11.
They range from 5-9 to 5-11. Widely considered the best corner overall in the
league, Darrelle Revis is listed at 5-11. I'd love to see you try and "toss
him out of the way". Don't you just love people that talk big
on anonymous message boards?
Re: forreal You seem to be new to the sport of football. Cornerbacks
are usually between 5-10 and 6-2. Since they are usually some of, if not the
fastest players on the team, it's their size that limits them to that position.
If they were taller with great speed they'd be turned around to WR. Also, don't
underestimate the shorter CB and his ability to decleat a receiver. Logan had
some of the best hits I've ever seen. And he's 5-6.
TJ, Really? 40 times. The projected starting CB's at utah both run in the 4.3
range. The projected FS is 6'4" 215 and runs a 4.4. That covers 3 of the
four projected utah DB's. Are you really saying that the artical failed to
mention a flashy 40 time like that. Really? Show me where I can find those 40 yd
dash times. It's funny that you would dare bost about your best CB
last year being 5-6 and playing pro ball in canada! LOL! Remember, it's utah who
puts DBs in the NFL (not canada) Our best DB last year single handedly defeted
your team, was 6-0, 190, did 17 reps at the NFL combine, and was drafted to the
NFL. As you know, there are way to many NFL safeties and CBs from Utah to talk
somehow when you are slow and short and a ute you can play. just look at the
great contract the Weddle just signed. Sometimes other skills come into play as
well as work ethic and attitude. Weddle's only mistake is that he played for
utah instead of the Y. Great guy and skilled player.
I don't expect the secondary will be outstanding this year, but I do expect it
will be decent. With so much depth and talent in the front seven this year the
secondary will not need to be called on as much to help with run support and can
focus on pass coverage. I also expect Bronco to dial up lots of corner and
safety blitzes. Should be exciting to watch!
this should not affect utah at all as they can't throw or catch a ball anyway.
With the D-line and linebackers we have this year we should be able to stop the
run extremely well (see the last half of last season-even against bad
competition it is impressive when the other team is in negative yards most of
the first half). If Bronco can keep the blitz scheme unpredictable and use the
stubborn run defense to drop an extra backer into coverage we'll be ok. After
watching the UTEP bowl game (and the Utah game) it's pretty obvious that our
defense can be shut-down good, but susceptible to the big play deep... Coach
'em up Bronco!!Go Cougs!
Forreal.Find the 40 times and sizes for the BYU and Ute DB's this year
before you run your mouth. BYU backs are bigger and faster than U.You just keep thinking that though. Tell the U coaches and players that
too. It will be funnier on 9-17 when your saying "whodat" every time a
Ute receiver is shut down, knocked down or, when Wynn is intercepted.Also; Brian Logan was only about 5'6" and he shut down everyone that came
at him last year including U. He is playing pro ball in Canada this year. I would love to see you try and go against the smallest player on the
BYU team. You'd be picking grass out of your teeth while those who watched
rolled on the ground in laughter.
How can you all be feeling good about any of these DB's when they are all
inexperienced and the story does not even mention 40yd dash times?The CB's mentioned seem very undersized, and there was no mention of blazing
speed or proof of play to accompany clames of "athletisism?" I would
love to go up against a freshman CB that's 5'-10" 175 and laugh while he
tries to jam me at the line or tackle me. I could, at 30 years old, grab a
little kid like that and toss him out of the way. I wonder what a real FB player
could do to a kid of that size with no speed. The BYU program and
comentary is funny like that. Inexperience, no speed, lack of size, and it's
time to talk them up?On the other side of this over confidence is
the Utah program, similar inexperience, similar question marks, but with
superior speed and size. Only they label it as a point of concern, a worry. I
guess the Ute program is just more humble.LOL.
Great insights on the article. The DB's are going to be fun to watch this year.
I just hope teams keep thinking our DB's are small and slow. When I
read that, I grin from ear to ear.This is going to be fun!
Cougar Finger Nails,It doesn't matter what happened agains ADSU last
year with our DB's because we WON the game. The 1st half was terrible, and we
let them score 24 points. In the 2nd half they only scored 7, and it was Whit's
bend but dont break D. Whit does not like to have his team passed all over on,
but if they move the ball between the 20's, and do not score, he is fine with
that. Our D may have given up some big yards in the game, but there were less
points scored inthe 2nd half, and we won the game. That is all that matters.
Most of the issue for that game and the season, especailly the last 7 games, we
only had 6 sacks I believe was that our D Line was not getting any pressure on
the opposing QB, and they could sit back in the pocket, and throw balls to their
recievers like shooting fish in a barrell. I do not care if a team has 147 yards
for a game against us, or 650, just as long as we win. In the end that is all
thatreally matters. Go UTES
BYU has incredible depth in the secondary. I would love to see some redshirt.
BYU D-backs are both bigger and faster than those at TUN this year. Look up the
numbers. From the previous posts. I'd say there are some insecure
Definition of obsession: 41% of comments by "fans" of a rival school
on an article that does not even mention that rival school. Can we
agree there is a "little-brother syndrome" exemplified here by half
the fan base of Utah?
Heggie:Last time I checked, 6 of the 7 corners discussed in this
article were the right "type" of DB, if that's what you were
bigutefanBYU had to start recruiting taller players. The smaller
ones had already committed to Utah.
BYU secondary doesn't need to be too quick against Utah if you don't have a
quarterback that can throw the ball more than 10 yards.
While it is true that the secondary is the X-factor for 2011 this group should
develop quickly. Doman's job will be to get the offense to score at least 1 more
than the defense. Once the defense plays great that task will have gotten
easier. Let's play these games one at a time. Forget Utah until after Texas,
forget Texas until after Mississippi. Indy Cougars versus SEC Rebels in Oxford,
Ms. Go Cougars.
They are not there bc they are slow. BYU 38 Ole Miss 10. BYU 32 da U 17. Yes
and it will be fun.
So, potentially the Y has a lot of inexperienced DB's. Great news for Utah
One word regarding the cougar secondary...S L O W!!!!
Has the coaching staff decided to start recruiting players taller than 4'4? That
would probably help the most, just getting some guys who are a little taller
that four feet should be a goal that can be met.
Seems to be a glaring problem but as long as it is a "fun" group, it
will all work out. Did he say Logan had some "big" shoes?
I think my 7 year old has bigger feet:)
Great article, GMan. No hype, but a lot of info on our student/athletes. I'm
excited the most for 3 guys: (in order) Preston Hadley, Mike Hague, and Joe
Sampson. These 3 have the biggest potential in my mind. And they haven't had the
chance to show at this level. Eason, Sorenson, and Uale have all proven what
they've got, and can continue to develop some.Again, good article
during a drought of football news. Go Cougars.
Heading into fall camp DB is the most intruging position, should be some great
competition. They dont have a ton of experience but definately a deep and very
hedgehog--your view is distorted by your warped bias.
PTBI didn't know you could predict the future.
Hedgehog,Utah is going to get destroyed by BYU's defense.Simple as that.
Re: Utah "fans"What happened to your fast and athletic DBs
against SDSU last year? 500 yards passing? Fast and athletic doesn't always
translate to "good" in the defensive backfield.
Once again, bYu does not have the ability to recruit the right "type"
of athlete to play the DB.Simple as that.
Potential doesn't stop good receiver, Qb's fast and athletic DB's do.
More talent and athleticism than we have had in a long time. It seems like Corby
Eason and Robbie Buckner know the system the best and will do the best in terms
of knowledge and are both decent athletes too. Having options like DeQuan
Everrett and Preston Hadley, and Joe Sampson are great. I think the safety
situation will work itself out too. There isn't out of this world talent there
but it is at least as good as we've had if not better, even though it will be
challenging to replace Andrew Rich. -Go Cougs!