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  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 29, 2011 1:42 p.m.

    @beltwayute
    Gee's... I sure wouldn't want to be riding in your car with you at the wheel in a rain storm and have the wipers go out. It's obvious you wouldn't be able to see past the spots on the windshield and would have a bad case of panic attact. This is a blog about jocks and in the age of texting no less and you expect people to actually correct every little typo or constantly be using thier dictionaries. You need to get outside for a different perspective and some fresh air once in a while and realize that there are better things in life to do then to be editing bloggers on sports. Try leaving the beltway once in a while.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    July 29, 2011 11:48 a.m.

    "News flash to cougar fans who think Texas is taking their lead from BYU: The Longhorn Network and Texas's jump from the Big 12 was cotenplated long before BYU decided to go independant."

    New flash: BYU thought about and decided on independence long before BYU actually declared they were going independent. All indications show that Texas is watching BYU closely these next few years to see how it goes.

  • beltwayute ARLINGTON, VA
    July 29, 2011 7:05 a.m.

    Cougarista | 4:53 p.m. July 27, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT

    "The Cougs will do just fine. If they are lousy they will be playing the utes in Las Vegas."

    _______________

    Don't you mean the Armed Forces bowl? Because that's where they are headed unless selected for the lone at-large BCS bowl pick.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    July 28, 2011 11:00 p.m.

    Cougarista | 4:53 p.m. July 27, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT

    The Cougs will do just fine. If they are lousy they will be playing the utes in Las Vegas.

    -----------------

    If the Cougs do great they will be in Las Vegas, too.

  • beltwayute ARLINGTON, VA
    July 28, 2011 9:55 p.m.

    Not usually one to play the grammar troll, but come on! You'd think that Y fans would actually learn to spell independence before gleefully proclaiming their superiority to the rest of the sporting world. BTW, I actually do root for the "TDS" when they aren't playing the Utes and it really is quite funny how both schools are suddenly too big for their britches.

    It's independent, not independant.
    It's lose, not loose.
    It's definitely, not definately.

    I cringed when I heard the Y was going independent and clapped when the ESPN partnership was announced. Y without ESPN = irrelevant. Y with ESPN = a viable independent life. Now all it needs is a quality bowl tie-in and it'd never miss conference life.

    Finally, to add something substantive to the article at hand, it really is too bad that Ole Miss and Texas are ranked so low this year. In a normal year a victory on the road over two quality southern schools would be an impressive, if not nearly impossible feat. However, in 2011, victories over these two schools will be more symbolic than substantive. Y fans had better start praying for Utah and TCU to bolster your SOS.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    July 28, 2011 1:50 p.m.

    hedgehog

    My guess if O'l Miss played Montana St. (at Montana) they would be at least a 6 point dog.

    Your wrong again, it is Utah which is the 6 point underdog with their Montana St. opener...sorry.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    July 28, 2011 10:42 a.m.

    I love all of the Y fans on here that think Texas is going to follow BYU's lead, and that they will do everything that the Y did, because Irrelevence is the best thing in the world for college football. The whole Longhorn network playing high school games is more of an NCAA issue that needs to be resolved if anything, and if they go independent, that will not make itso they will be able to FOR SURE get high school games on their own network.

  • fan in orem Orem, Utah
    July 28, 2011 10:17 a.m.

    Lurker: Yes, BYU-TV shows sports events all day long on Sundays. That fits in with the Quest for Perfection, where we believe that we will win every football game we will ever play and win consecutive National Championships.

  • hohum Saint George, UT
    July 28, 2011 10:16 a.m.

    UU32: I watched this kid in Vegas three years ago. Coaches were there then. He is a good kid, even then was a great young man, sportmanship was already evident.

    Cougfanintex has it right, look at the possibility of selling all of these kids Haws, Emery, etal with Parker, remember the fab five from Michigan, I can see it happening here.

    Also, I have said that the BCS will be gone in 3 years and the tv situation is just one more nail in the coffin. Texas, USC, Okla, Stanford, many others will opt for their own exposure and spell doom to the monitary strangle hold the bc s has had on football. The bowl games will follow the dollar and it will not be with the bcs. Many schools which regularly occupy the bottom half of these conference standings will be left without the only thing they have going, the money from the top programs. Associateion with such a conference will mean absolutily nothing in the next three years.

    The bcs will die on its own, with help from the anti-trust statutes. Independence looks the better part for the future. HUH??

  • fan in orem Orem, Utah
    July 28, 2011 9:44 a.m.

    PS, I hope you get the help you most desperately need.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 28, 2011 9:31 a.m.

    Does BYU TV show reruns of sporting events on Sundays? Does it have programming e 24 hours a day including Sunday? How is this not considered breaking the law of the Sabbath? It's OK to watch taped games but not live games? Is this another law that can be broken like "obeying the laws of the land" something like the illegals?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 28, 2011 9:22 a.m.

    @uu32

    Of course you don't have a clue what you are talking about, you are simply expressing your most fervent hopes here. No way to know what Parker will do with the exception of one definate thing....he will not be going to utah. That is the only thing that can be stated with 100% assurity. Beyond that there is no telling what the kid will do for sure.

  • fan in orem Orem, Utah
    July 28, 2011 8:45 a.m.

    Farid: The biggest problem with Bradley was that we THOUGHT he was coming back, and recruiting wasn't done to replace him. With Parker, we know it is for one year, and that's okay. We have lots of one year players before their mission, and they work out well. I would take him.

    gonefishn: BYU thought about independence for years, they didn't just start last summer. As hard as it would be for you to swallow, BYU had to wait for utah to leave, because we would not have left our little brother alone in the MWC.

  • Farid @ Pocatello Pocatello, ID
    July 27, 2011 10:21 p.m.

    If as most suggest that Jabari Parker is a one-and-done college player, I hope he goes elsewhere.

    Shawn Bradley was about the biggest signing BYU ever had in basketball, and that one year wasn't very good, 18 wins or so during the regular season as I recall. He wasn't polished and needed another year minimum before he became that game-changing player we all hoped he'd be. But he never came back after his mission.

    No question Parker is a better player, but I'd still much rather watch a good-but-not-great player for four years than a stud for one (Jackson Emery comes to mind).

    Don't get me wrong, I'd accept him with open arms. But I'm just not a fan of one-year wonders.

    What say all of you?

  • riddlemethis Clearfield, UT
    July 27, 2011 7:14 p.m.

    @Cougfanin Tx:

    You are right about Mont St playing Ole Miss, but you have to understand it is a pre fabbed excuse. It serves a dual purpose: 1. it attempts to diminish the fact that Mont St is an FCS team and Ole Miss is a BCS team. 2. They leave themselves an out in case their game against Mont St is close and BYU wins handily.

    If they repeat the refrain that Mont St is better/would beat Ole Miss enough it will become true in their minds no matter how absurd it seems to everyone else.

  • BlueSaint South Jordan, UT
    July 27, 2011 5:41 p.m.

    The PAC-12 media attention is for USC, Oregon, Washington, UCLA. For Ute fans to fool themselves into thinking that their little Community college has anything to do with it really is hilarious.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 27, 2011 5:39 p.m.

    Preseason polls are almost worthless. They are almost entirely weighted on last years results. In 2010, Ole Miss was highly ranked in the preseason because they had a solid year in 2009, but ended up performing poorly. In 2011, Ole Miss is predicted to finish last because of their poor performance in 2010. This is a completely different team. Ole Miss will not finish last, and note to the infamous Ute troller - Montana St would not have a chance against Old Miss, neither would Iowa State. Get real.

    I think it was Bronco who said that rankings shouldn't start until after the fourth or fifth game. It's hard to tell much about a team until you've seem them play a few times.

    What a coup that would be if Jabari signed on with the Cougs! Jabari Parker, Nick Emery, TJ Haws, Jordan Loveridge, Jordan Chatman. The recruiting pipeline is bright!

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    July 27, 2011 5:13 p.m.

    RepresentBlue -- Jabari Parker is going to go to a college basketball program with a high level of competition. He is likely a "one and done" player. Scouts say he is a top 5 NBA pick no matter when he decides to go out - and the kid is still very young. He will (and should) pick somewhere that will test him each and every night - like the ACC, Big East, Big 12, Big 10, SEC, (I'll even skip the Pac-12 so I'm not called a homer - but you ge the point). The WCC would not give Jabari enough competition to develop his talents the way they should be over the one or two years he is in college. Duke or North Carolina or Kansas or UCLA -- that is where he ought to land. He shouldn't have to play in tiny WCC gyms at 10:00PM. Right now he doesn't even list BYU in his top 10 when asked. But I understand the dream - you gotta have hope. As for the "next Jimmer" - there will never be another Jimmer - he was one of kind and magical. Jimmer was once in a lifetime.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2011 4:53 p.m.

    Anyone who thinks that conference alignments are secure has no sense of the future. Texas will do what is best for UT and the legislature will have to match the money if they disagree. The Cougs will do just fine. If they are lousy they will be playing the utes in Las Vegas.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 27, 2011 4:45 p.m.

    @Gone Fishin

    Who cares about when... which regardless of your obvious "I've got to add my own spin" is very highly debatable ... why or where....the rezounding fact is that they haven't.... while BYU already has thier mega Broadcasting facility... which by the way was contemplated long before the Longhorn Network was even an idea in someones head... functional. It will as it already is be bigger and they have already made the move to Independance and joined the ESPN team with a pretty much set package while Texas is still trying to clear a lot of Red Tape to get thier ESPN deal finalized. Actions speaks louder than words Dude.

  • Bottom Line Draper, UT
    July 27, 2011 4:07 p.m.

    Couldn't agree more that independence is the next wave coming. Teams that have ridden the coattails of others will be sorely exposed and will have a drastic change of reality when there $20M tv contract rolls over to something drastically less. This change is inevitable. When Texas declares watch the landscape change rapidly. I can think of 6-8 other programs that would benefit greatly by removing the conference affiliate shackles. Of course for these soon to be big winners there will be big losers. Hold on tight.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2011 4:02 p.m.

    News flash to cougar fans who think Texas is taking their lead from BYU: The Longhorn Network and Texas's jump from the Big 12 was cotenplated long before BYU decided to go independant. On another note Texas not being independant makes about 4 X what BYU will make as an indeppendant.
    The world does not revolve around BYU and judging by the Pac 12 media coverage neither does the state of Utah.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    July 27, 2011 3:56 p.m.

    If you need some motivation to beat 'Ol Miss, Houston Nut said BYU has a find team but he wasn't worried about beating them. He felt the key issue was having his team do well in Fall Camp.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    July 27, 2011 3:49 p.m.

    There are very few schools with the cache that could make a go at independence. Obviously Texas is one, but "Moderate" brought up a good point that Univeristy of Texas is under the control of the Texas legislature. I am not sure UT would have taken the PAC deal even if the PAC were not religious bigots and had accepted Baylor. Texas is gearing up to maximize it opportunities, therefore a possible run at indepedence is feasible.

    USC is another school that might look at independence. I don't know if it is in a position of having its own broadcasting station and making a run at independence, but the potential is certainly there. It is a private institution and unlike UT is not controlled by state politicians. I'll bet the USC administrators are at least entertaining the notion. What BYU did and especially Texas did with ESPN had to catch the attention of USC.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 27, 2011 3:41 p.m.

    Representative Blue
    Texas doesn't necessarily have to leave the Big 12 in other sports and they have enough clout on thier own that they could easily face off with the conference. In actuallity it's the conferences who more and more as has been seen over that past decade and a half especially this past year that are losing ground...even with the creation of the Elite Conference BCS... which eventually will also get pushed off the road. Football has always had the independants...and for many years they were a dominant force. ESPN seems to think that there is no reason why a new set of Independants couldn't again become a dominate force. The Dynamics to make that happen are obviously there and more importantly so is the money.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    July 27, 2011 3:39 p.m.

    2011 Ole Miss MUCH < 2010 Iowa State

    I expect nothing less than a 40 point victory from BYU. Ole Miss is completely awful.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    July 27, 2011 3:37 p.m.

    2011 Ole Miss

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 27, 2011 3:16 p.m.

    I guarantee Texas is watching BYU and contemplating independence for themselves, but I wonder what conference would they place all their other non-football sports in? Notre Dame has the Big East and BYU has the WCC. What conference would take all of Texas' other sports, and would Texas be able to give all those sports such an enormous demotion? After all, its one thing to go from the MWC to the WCC, it is almost a wash. But to go from a major BCS conference to something like C-USA or the WAC seems like too big a sacrifice to make for football. Plus Texas would not want to lose automatic qualification for the BCS. I really don't see Texas anywhere but the Big 12. No other BCS conference would let them keep their Longhorn Network. That is why Texas turned down Larry Scott's invitation to join the PAC.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 27, 2011 3:05 p.m.

    @Moderate...remember this...people and organizations do change thier minds. If the state of Texas were to realize that they and thier High Schools... (if the Longhorn Network does get a greenlight to program High School games)... could tremendously gain financially by allowing Texas University the option of going Independant then I cannot forsee them passing on such a huge potential possibility...and as far as money going to High Schools that's exactly why and what having associations like Utah's own UHSAA is all about. Bingham High School would get no more finacially than any other school in the State... and limitations on how many times they or any other School could possibly play on TV obviously would be controlled. You got to remember The State of Texas has historically in it's own Constitution the right to sucession from the Union. It's definitely not as cut and dried as you are attempting to make it.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 27, 2011 3:02 p.m.

    @Moderate

    I agree with your observations regarding Texas, independence and broadcasting high school games. It is a very BAD idea to broadcast high school games on the Longhorn Network because it gives Texas an unfair advantage in recruiting high school athletes (something Texas already has at it is) and I am sure the NCAA will have something to say about it. But I don't understand why you brought BYU into this and said this is "similar to what BYU could be facing". Do you know something the rest of us don't? Because I have not heard that BYU has any plans whatsoever to broadcast high school sporting events on BYUtv. Between the religious programming, the rebroadcasts of football games, and all the other BYU sporting events I doubt there will be any need to reach that far to fill up the TV schedule.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2011 2:38 p.m.

    RE: Where's Stockton
    What people forget is that Texas is not an independent institution. The Texas Legislature has a direct say in what the University of Texas does. If UT was independent, they'd have joined the Pac-12. But the legislature jumped in and said, "if you're going you have to take Baylor with you", and things fell apart from there.

    I don't see UT dropping conference affiliation. Doing that would hurt other Texas schools, so they will be forbidden from doing so.

    Televising high school games is an interesting deal, similar to what BYU could be facing. If they televise a high school game, the university owes that school money for the broadcast rights. It seems like giving cash to high schools should violate some NCAA rule.

    As for an influence on recruiting, it extends down to the high school level. Imagine Bingham High School recruiting kids to play for them because "we're on BYU TV all the time".

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 27, 2011 2:26 p.m.

    While the realist in me thinks there is no chance BYU will land Jabari Parker, who is reportedly receiving weekly phone calls from Coach K, the Cougar fan in me thinks there is a fighting chance. After all, Jimmer was able to sweep every major national award and become a top 10 NBA draft pick while playing at BYU - all while playing on the Mtn. But with Parker, Dave Rose will be able to say not only will he be playing for his church's university, and not only will he be surrounded by students and teammates who share his beliefs and values, but he will also be able to play on ESPN in front of a national audience. He could tell him that if he came to BYU he could be the next Jimmer Fredette, and help the Cougars reach their first ever Final Four. I will keep hoping and dreaming!

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 27, 2011 2:11 p.m.

    Gotta love having a Thuroughbred horse named after you. Especially one with a Kentucky Derby and Preakness winning bloodline.

    Run Jimmer... Run!

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 27, 2011 1:49 p.m.

    The article Texas Longhorns Network Causing concerns in the Big 12 conference.

    Remotely possible that future moves to go Independant could possibly already be being considered and just may spur a completely different view of College Football. With what Texas is contemplating for thier Longhorn Network and the already staunch opposition to it by other members such as A&M and Texas Tech...there is that possibility...to go independant...especially if Texas doesn't get most of what they desire to decide and operatively control how they use it. The NCAA is right now sitting on one of the most underlooked at issues just now emerging since BYU's decision to break away from a seriously flawed Television contract with the Mountain West Conference. And with Oklahoma also considering it's own Network...you can't dismiss that other major progams besides BYU are probably also considering the independant option. ESPN seems to be almost exclusively in tune with conceptual vision to see where things just might be heading. The programming of Local High School games on the Longhorn network if permitted will have a definite impact on recruiting and could actually be a catalyst rather than a stopper of moving to Independance.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    July 27, 2011 1:49 p.m.

    Sounds like he comes from a similar mold as Jimmer. Would be nice to hear the phrase at BYU; "You have just been Jabaried."

  • riddlemethis Clearfield, UT
    July 27, 2011 1:43 p.m.

    It would be nice to see BYU get a win on the road at Ole Miss. It will give them confidence and momentum for the game in Austin.

    A preemptive troll post:

    We've just heard from the fans on the hill after Utah was picked to finish 3rd in their division that preseason polls don't mean anything. If that's true then that means the polls that picked Miss to finish last in the SECW and Tex to finish 5th don't mean anything either.

    Can't have it both ways Ute fans.

    Go Cougars!

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 27, 2011 1:39 p.m.

    My guess if O'l Miss played Montana St. (at Montana) they would be at least a 6 point dog.

  • Dixie Dan Saint George, UT
    July 27, 2011 1:36 p.m.

    USU plays Clemson while the Cougars play Ole Miss. What's wrong with this picture?