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Published: Tuesday, July 26 2011 12:08 p.m. MDT

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DeltaFoxtrot
West Valley, UT

Just as with fallen soldiers, fallen Troopers should be honored with a symbol of whatever religion they adhere to. A cross for Christianity, a star for Judaism, etc. I don't see any problem with this and anyone taking it to court is simply abusing the system.

miffedsportsfan
Sandy, UT

They will continue to abuse the system as long as they can get away with it.
They fail to understand that the Constitution grants the citizens of the United States freedom OF religion and does NOT grant anybody freedom FROM religion.

FieryDarts
Kaysville, Utah

This issue is more nuanced than it is at first glance. In this state, even though the cross is not a distinctive symbol of religious worship for most people (an Angel Moroni is a more distinctive symbol for Latter-day Saints), crosses are used to memorialize people who are distinguished by their public service (either by dying in the line of duty as police officers or by serving in the military). Even though the use of crosses in that manner originated as a religious symbol, its use in this state is largely divorced from that original religious meaning.

So, at what point does a religious symbol cease to be a religious symbol? We can accept that Christmas trees are not inherently religious even though they started out with religious meaning (even if they were originally pagan they were enthusiastically adopted by Christians).

Additionally, this case does have much broader application, such as relating to whether a place like Las Cruces (literally "The Crosses") can have a cross in its city logo.

Kami
Bountiful, Utah

Its interesting this battle is occurring in Utah. LDS don't use crosses.

skeptic
Phoenix, AZ

Monuments and crosses along the highways and road ways is a poor idea, the same as with bill boards. If the state wishes to honor a select group of its citizens then it would be best to have a location approved by vote where there can be a park or monument for all the honored in one place rather than strung out accross the state. Then one has to ask why is one group more deserving of honor than another group when all groups accept the consequences of their employment with their pay check.

eagle651
Chino Valley, AZ

HOW SAD, these minority groups have been able to over power the majority of Christian and Judaism believers with their beliefs [or lack of], with help from our courts.
Satin works through many vehicles and this is just one of them. A Biblical sign of the times

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

"Its interesting this battle is occurring in Utah. LDS don't use crosses."

Also interesting is that the Mormons don't go crazy whenever they see a cross.

These atheists are just trying to find something to be bitter and upset about, which is the typical liberal thing to do.

Let's all say a prayer for these Atheists.

xscribe
Colorado Springs, CO

As a fellow athiest, I would want a final ruling by the top court to end the issue once and for all. Seems this group has a ruling in their favor, so they don't want it to go any further.

Lane Myer
Salt Lake City, UT

miffedsportsfan | 12:46 p.m. July 26, 2011
Sandy, UT
They will continue to abuse the system as long as they can get away with it.
They fail to understand that the Constitution grants the citizens of the United States freedom OF religion and does NOT grant anybody freedom FROM religion.

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How can you have freedom OF religion if you don't have freedom FROM another persons religion? Impossible.

Rocket Science
Brigham City, UT

It is always interesting to see such barn-yard legal manuvering. It seems rather obvious that there is a fear among atheists that the US Supreme court will overturn the 10th Circuit Courts decision.

By the way, if you can't desplay these honorary monuments, what about grave markers that are crosses in public cemetaries?

mcgilm
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@miffedsportsfan

Actually, that is where you are 100% wrong. Freedom of and from religion are simply two sides of the same coin. If a person has no religious belief system, such as atheists, that religious belief is just as valid and protected as those that do have a specific religion.

Lane Myer
Salt Lake City, UT

These atheists are just trying to find something to be bitter and upset about, which is the typical liberal thing to do.

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I know quite a few atheists who are republicans and conservative. Aren't you generalizing?

Ms Molli
Bountiful, Utah

@ Chris B, I agree that mormons don't tend to react negatively when seeing crosses. But I'm surprised the athesists didn't choose another jursidiction, one in which the general public would have wanted to really right over the crosses.

miffedsportsfan
Sandy, UT

Freedom OF religion and freedom FROM religion are NOT two sides of the same coin as the atheists are currently trying to present it. The atheists are currently trying to rid this country of ANY public religious expression or symbolism. That is THEIR current idea of freedom FROM religion. I think that the correct concept of freedom FROM religion is that I cannot force you to believe in my religion (or any religion) or force you to live according to my religion's teachings (if I were Muslim, for example, I shouldn't be able to force you to pray 5 times a day) - you have your own right to believe in (or to NOT believe in) any religion. But, freedom FROM religion, does NOT mean that I cannot express my belief in a God (or my disbelief in a God) in a public setting. It does NOT mean that a religious organization should be prevented from displaying their "faith" in public just because somebody MAY be offended by seeing it because they are not of that faith. By trying to obtain freedom FROM religion the atheists are forcing THEIR religion (or lack thereof) on ALL of us.

Lane Myer
Salt Lake City, UT

Cut the top off of these crosses! Make them a "T" for trooper. Everyone happy now?

bemused
OREM, UT

They should promote them as T for Trooper. Even a*heis*s can'* ge* offended a* *he alphabe*. Or can *hey?

bikeboy
Boise, ID

Lane Myer @1:12pm: "How can you have freedom OF religion if you don't have freedom FROM another persons religion? Impossible."

Is the mere viewing of a cross in a public place somehow forcing religion on the offended parties? You can absolutely have freedom of religion, while simultaneously allowing somebody else the freedom to express his own religious beliefs in the public square. We've been doing it - mostly - for 230+ years in this country.

Crosses aren't part of my own religious expression, nor are stars of David or the crescent moon, or that silly Darwin fish-with-feet thing. But I'd be embarrassed to tell others that I find their expressions offensive. How thin-skinned are we any more?!!?

"Can't we all just get along?"
- Rodney King, 20th century statesman/philosopher

Chachi
Charlottesville, VA

The LDS Church doesn't use the cross as its symbol, but for the record, the Angel Moroni is also not the official symbol. The LDS Church has no official symbol--besides, in the words of President Hinckley, "the lives of our people."

Led Zeppelin II
Bountiful, UT

Why is there no double standard? If Atheists want to ban Christianity dont Christians have the right to ban Atheism also?
The people who came to this country came for religious freedom. I say the ones who want to take it away can go to Cuba. That will solve the problem.

ST
Layton, UT

People only get offended if they choose to be. Atheists choose to be offended a lot ... which says a lot about them.

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