Dick Harmon: Tanner Mangum's Elite 11 QB finish underscores motive, potential


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  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    July 27, 2011 6:14 p.m.

    Your right about the 70 records and stuff. Mowt of the QB's you mentioned were from 20 years or so ago. How about Matt Leinart Carson Palmer and Mark Sanchez, and their all from the same area code. And the tradition will continue with Matt Barkley. SC QB's play in the League.

  • Hegdehog Bountiful, UT
    July 27, 2011 5:32 p.m.

    "I am not impressed with him so far."

    If that's the case you were probably really disappointed with Ty Detmer and even more so with Jordan Wynn. Heaps broke all of Detmer's freshman passing records at BYU and didn't have the supporting cast that Detmer had. Last year BYU had one of the youngest starting lineups in the nation.

    Wynn has had an experienced team surrounding him for 2 yrs and head to head against Heaps with one additional year of experience this past season Wynn looked terrible in comparison. AS a matter of fact, Heaps outplayed both of UTah's more experienced QB's:

    Heaps 37-22 1 TD 1 Int 228 yds
    Wynn/Cain 37-15 1 TD 3 Int 207 yds

    Pretty impressive for a true freshman who had only started a handful of games up to that point. We're still waiting for Wynn to impress us. In two games against BYU he's completed less than 50% of his passes and has more INT's than TD passes. This is against a BYU defense that many ute fans jeer at and call slow or unathletic. What's Wynn's excuse? The sun was in his eyes? Ball was slippery? Wet turf?

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    July 27, 2011 12:42 p.m.

    "If he does as much as Jake Hypes has done so far at BYU, there isn't much to worry about for their opponents. I am not impressed with him so far."

    Tsk, tsk, tsk...Silly bitter ute fan...you show your true colors (green) with inane comments like that. Jake shattered every freshman passing record at BYU last year. Many of those were records held by a Heisman Trophy winner, NCAA HOFer and 14 yr NFL vet.

    Based on those results, we're in pretty good hands for the next 2-3 yrs with Heaps and judging by Tanner's performances this summer, for many more years to come.

    U, otoh, are stuck with fragile, mercurial Jordan Wynn and a bunch of incompetent nobodies backing him up. Heading into your first season in the Pac10.2 that's got to be kicking your acid reflux into overdrive.

  • BYUHOCKEY American Fork, UT
    July 27, 2011 8:54 a.m.

    This is outstanding coverage for BYU. looking forward to September 17th showdown in Cougartown, the Bluezone Touchdown USA....

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 27, 2011 5:36 a.m.

    Dude...You're going to have to take that up with the best of the expert analysts that made up this list. USC has never had a QB that set 70 NCAA records basically in a two year span like McMahon did and totally blind in his right eye to boot. Nor have they ever had a continuous string of prolific passers one right after the other like the string that started with Gifford Nielson, then continued to reload magnum passers like Marc Wilson, Jim McMahon, Robbie Boscoe, Steve Young, Steve Sarkesian, and Tye Detmer. Now underMendenhall we've had more of the same with John Beck and Max Hall and Jake Heaps undoubtedly will be among if not the top perfomer ever at his current rate. He's already as a true freshman 19th on a long list of great BYU quarterbacks. Dude... in my estimation I also would place USC at least one spot higher but undoubtedly over all Miami and BYU are the two front runners

  • WestGranger West Valley City, Utah
    July 26, 2011 10:55 p.m.

    The game of football is played on the field. The rest is just guess-work. Talk radio has over-analyzed the game.
    B.Y.U. and Miami are the two top q.b. factors in college and in the NFL. They both obviously have a proven track record in choosing good qb talent.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    July 26, 2011 10:28 p.m.

    Re: Where's Stokton??

    How is USC that low on the list?

    Go check out the real QBU. SC has had at least a dozen players who played in the NFL,heisman winners,All Americans and so on.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 26, 2011 5:55 p.m.

    &Bleed Crimson
    "Sorry, I'm not buying Jake Heaps impressive performance the second half of the season against cream puff teams. Until he beats good teams he is still over hyped!"

    Just curious, has Wynn beat any good teams? And if U say BYU, I'll quickly point out that he was not the QB most of the 2nd half. As U squeaked out a win on a lucky play in a game where U clearly got outplayed.

    My opinion - BYU will be much better than they were last year, and Utah will not be quite as good as they were last year. Results - a big win in Provo.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 26, 2011 5:45 p.m.

    @still bleeding from a beatdown from TCU, ND and BSU

    "Sorry, I'm not buying Jake Heaps impressive performance the second half of the season against cream puff teams. Until he beats good teams he is still over hyped!"

    and you would say at 8-0 last year your team played quality top notch competition. Uh, huh, yeah, right.

    Poor jealous utesies of the BYU upcoming QBs.


  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 26, 2011 4:39 p.m.

    Re: Bleed Crimson

    The good thing is we don't care if you're buying anything about Jake Heaps. We know you're a Ute fan that would sooner eat glass before ever giving BYU any kind of credit for anything. And because of that, we don't need your's or any other ute's approval of our quarterback, thank you very much.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    July 26, 2011 3:50 p.m.

    @ LonestarRunner

    "Then, either you didn't pay much attention to last half of Jake's freshman season, or you're a poor judge of quarterback talent."

    Sorry, I'm not buying Jake Heaps impressive performance the second half of the season against cream puff teams. Until he beats good teams he is still over hyped!

  • Troll Hunter Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 26, 2011 3:25 p.m.

    This is what Ute fan has to worry about, BYU is bringing in stud QB's in the program on a regular bases and now are surrounding these stud QB's with major talent and speed.

    Utes... my prediction for the next 10 years, BYU wins 7 out of 10 of the rivalry games.

    Mark it down !

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 26, 2011 2:37 p.m.

    So chiccagoborn...which is it. Either say what you mean or mean what you say...talking out of both sides of your mouth and somehow placing yourself as if an expert to spew forth judgemental calls about BYU players who are great athletes and may of thier own free will decide thier own decisions as what's best for them... matter of factly... raises the question that you yourself are not sure what you want to say. So either say something meaqningful, trite or totally off the wall... the two latter of which are usaully the sign of a troll. Just make up your mind one way or the other and quit making excuses. We already know what was once your original intent...so don't insult our intelligence.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 26, 2011 2:36 p.m.

    Re: chicagoborn,

    No offense taken here. I was simply laughing at your assertion that Ute fans are not the trollers. Maybe the fact that you think your comments really offended someone might mean you're the one taking these comments too seriously.

  • chicagoborn WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 26, 2011 2:02 p.m.

    Wow. Hey guys calm down. There just message boards. I didn't mean offend anyone though it appears that I did. You guys need to stop taking everything on these message boards so seriously. Trust me, your lives will be greatly improved.

  • junkmail Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2011 1:43 p.m.

    Great sample size, chicagoborn.

    Maybe you ought to check out a BYU article that wouldn't require someone to REALLY grasp at straws in order to find some way to troll. I mean, what nitwit is going to try to troll an article about a QB commit being the MVP of an elite camp?

    Then again, I've learned to never underestimate the intellects of some Ute fans.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 26, 2011 1:41 p.m.

    So when did it become your place to judge Tanner Mangum or any players...be they Ute, Cougar, Aggie or any other Divional university in the country... religious decisions as to whether to go on a mission or not. Last I heard it's thier's and thier family's decision...which I'm certain in most cases the decision options are weighed and contemplated very intensly...and for which certainly doesn't need your approval. Your attempt to belittle BYU in any way fashion or form is obviously your principle concern and motivation...which is fine...to each his own. Just don't expect that everyone out here is naieve and can't see your true colors.

  • chicagoborn WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 26, 2011 1:18 p.m.

    Let's see. There is only three Utah fans that I have seen (including myself) comment on this article while I just read the comments for the PAC 12 media which was littered with BYU fans. I think we can all figure who is the jealous little brother. Looks like Mangum is the real deal and it's nice to see him take his religion seriously by going on a mission.
    Go Utes and Go Blue!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 26, 2011 1:05 p.m.

    @Real Bass
    "BYU is loaded with qbs, now if we can just keep getting quality receivers for them to throw to."

    Check out the bios on Josh Weeks, and Dylan Collie. Two solid WR commits for BYU. Both are rated 3 stars, but I've heard from people who've seen Josh play that he may be one of the best receivers in the West. He's 6' 4" and fast. Scout compares him to Ross Apo. He's from a small high school and that leads to a lower star rating.

    Dylan is Austin's younger brother. I read where one of the high school football coach says he is better than Austin was in high school. Good times ahead.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 26, 2011 1:00 p.m.

    Re: chicagoborn

    You obviously don't spend much time here. Multiply your "three" by about 10 and that's how many REGULAR utes there are trolling BYU articles. Although, in all fairness, I wouldn't call them Ute fans, more like BYU haters.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    July 26, 2011 12:14 p.m.

    @GoGetter and others
    Here's the ranking of the Top 15 Quarterback schools in the country.

    1. Miami
    2. BYU
    3. Washington
    4. Florida State
    5. USC
    6. Florida
    7. Notre Dame
    8. Nebraska
    9. Michigan
    10. Oregon
    11. Purdue
    12. Stanford
    13. California
    14. Washington State
    15. Oklahoma

    On 7 different occasions BYU Quarterbacks have finished as the NCAA total offense leaders.

    3 of the Top 5 NCAA Passing efficiency leaders are from BYU and were during the Lavele Edwards Era.

    Cougar QB's have finished thier seasons leading the nation in passing 8 times and finished in the top 5 17 times including John Beck under Mendenhall at No. 4 in 2006. Mendenhall also has Max Hall who finished No. 6 in the nation in passing in 2008.

    The fact that Heaps... a freshman... is already ranked at 19th on the all time BYU QB passing list following an obvious transitional rebuilding season that started out poorly but saw him greatly improved at it's conclusion...speaks volumes to his abilities. Last season was the only season that Mendenhall at BYU didn't achieve 10 wins. This 2011 season might be another. But there definitely won't be a repeat of 2010.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    July 26, 2011 11:49 a.m.

    Papa Smurf UTE

    "I assume that Dick just forgot to mention that Mangum was the CO MVP with two other QB's at the camp. Mangum did not have the hionors all to himself."

    You're trying awfully hard, and failing miserably, to minimize what Tanner accomplished in the Elite 11 camp.

    Maybe this will help to clarify just how prestigious being named an MVP of the Elite 11 camp really is:

    "Tanner Mangum was named the Elite 11 camp co-MVP Friday along with Neal Burcham of Greenbrier, Ark., and Jameis Winston of Hueytown, Ala.

    In a separate set of awards, the Elite 11 camp counselors named Mangum as their LONE MVP.

    Leading up to the final ceremony, Trent Dilfer said that 22 of the current 32 starting quarterbacks in the NFL passed through the Elite 11 camp. Its a top fraternity to be a part of, let alone standing as one of the fraternitys top performers for 2011."

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    July 26, 2011 11:44 a.m.

    Tanner is going to be great. Hope he starts swinging recruits to BYU like Heaps did. Of course by the time Mangum plays, ESPN will have had a major influence on recruits, exposure, and success. He may not have to work as hard as Heaps.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 26, 2011 11:39 a.m.

    Re: GoGetter

    You're obviously a BYU hater so we have to take your opinion with a grain of salt, don't we? I'm not so sure that you can make the determination though at this point that Jake is overhyped. He had a very respectable true freshman year. He ended the second half of last season on a very high note, albeit against easier competition. All signs point to him improving and being a good, and even possibly a great, college quarterback. The fact that what you saw leads you to believe that he won't only goes to prove you're wearing a different shade of glasses.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 26, 2011 11:32 a.m.

    Re: Smurf

    If you were going to rank the 3 MVP's, Mangum would be number #1 since he was also voted the sole MVP by the college counselors at the camp. I think it was a huge copout for the coaches to split the honor between three. They should've just manned up and given it to one just like every other year. Maybe they didn't want to give it to someone that was already committed to a school, since the whole camp is meant to drum up interest in the whole recruiting season. Afterall, these kids have yet to even start their senior years of high school.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 26, 2011 11:32 a.m.

    Papa Smurf UTE

    "Other than the UTEP game, Heaps I don't think had a QB rating of over 125."

    Heaps averaged 152.19 the final six games of his Freshman year, including ratings of:


    Doing the math, I think you discover that's FOUR games significantly over your lowball 125 rating.

    btw, Wynn averaged 130.75 as a Freshman and 139.85 as a Sophomore.

    Heaps threw 14 TDs in his final six games as a true Freshman year surrounded by a completely new set of skill position players, most of whom were Freshmen.

    Wynn threw 17 TDs during his entire Sophomore year surrounded by experienced skill position players.

    Trying to attribute Heaps' vast improvement the 2nd of the season strictly to weaker competition simply proves how little you actually paid attention to the actual footwork, poise, reads, arm strength, accuracy, and timing Heaps exhibited when he was finally given full-time starter reps in practice.

  • junkmail Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2011 11:05 a.m.


    Can you quote even one comment from any real BYU fan on ANY comment board proclaiming that BYU was going to win the National Championship in 2010? or 2009? or 2008? etc., ad nauseum.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    July 26, 2011 11:02 a.m.

    I assume that Dick just forgot to mention that Mangum was the CO MVP with two other QB's at the camp. Mangum did not have the hionors all to himself. That is to take nothing away from him. Wilson did not even make the top 11, so that shows how much better Mangum is right now. Like I have said many times before, please, let us wait until they actually play a game before we post judgement on these young QB's. They could both be great, or they could be busts. We do not know.

    Heaps could also become one of the best QB's ever in the Y's history, but basing on what he did the last half of the season against pathetic competition is not a good indicator of what may happen in the future. Other than the UTEP game, Heaps I don't think had a QB rating of over 125. In college that is terrible. I should look that stat up, but I remember someone sayng that. I hope for both their sakes, that Wilson and Mangum both turn out to be great QB's, & have a friendly rivalry here in the future.

  • Farid @ Pocatello Pocatello, ID
    July 26, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    I have been a BYU fan since I joined the Church in 1978. I have watched/listened to every game since the following season. In all those years, I can't recall any true freshman who played a significant amount of time. Kevin Feterik was 5-8 for 26 yards as a freshman. Ty Detmer was a red-shirt freshman--and 21 years old--when he threw for 1252 yards and 13 TD's.

    Heaps was 18--a true freshman, barely out of high school--last year, completing 57% of his passes for 2,316 yards and 15 touchdowns.

    To the reader who said that Heaps hadn't showed him much last year, all he did was outdo every other true-frosh in BYU's history. How much more can he do?

    By the way, as a freshman, Jordan Wynn threw for 1,329 yards and 8 TD's.

    Heaps may not be the best QB ever to play at BYU, but he sure has the chance to be.

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    July 26, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    Why would I be jealous of a QB that takes their team to a 6-5 record?

    He looked like an ordinary QB; sure he will only get better and I know that, but I really think he is hyped up, just like how the BYU Cougars fanbase claimed their 25th or so preseason national championship title.

    Hypes had no big key wins, just barely making his team bowl eligible last season.

    I'm not bashin on the kid, but I'm saying he is way over-hyped.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    July 26, 2011 10:05 a.m.

    And don't forget Hill is also a stud quarterback from IDAHO who commited to Standford before his mission. BYU is loaded with qbs, now if we can just keep getting quality receivers for them to throw to.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 26, 2011 9:16 a.m.

    "This says alot for Brandon Doman and a lot for the BYU program and it's scouting!"

    I am going to disagree with this statement a little. I think it says more about the enormous and growing potential of LDS athletes in this country. That two of the last 3 MVP's of the Elite 11 camp happen to be LDS is pretty amazing, but then add on top of that the fact that one of the most highly recruited high school basketball players in the country, Chicago native Jabari Parker, is also LDS. I doubt BYU will be able to land Jabari since he will probably have offers from the likes of Duke and Kansas, but it does show the tremendous pool of talent there is out there among the LDS population at a time when BYU is striking out for independence in football, and their basketball team had the consensus National Player of the Year. BYU football has been able to land a lion's share of these top LDS athletes, but the basketball team has not been as competitive because it does not have the strong tradition that BYU football has. I think Coach Rose will change that.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 26, 2011 8:58 a.m.

    Any weakness that Heaps showed the first half of his Freshman campaign was a result of him only getting 1/2 the reps in Spring and Fall practice. Once he was named the starter, and got all his reps; he began to demonstrate what he was capable of.

    You may see the best Sophomore QB in the history of BYU this Fall. He got all his reps in the Spring, he's led the team during off-season workouts, and quite frankly - Hoffman, Apo, Jacobsen, DiLuigi, Quezada and Kariya may make Heaps look even better than he really is.

    I hate to wish away my life, but September 3 can't come quick enough.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    July 26, 2011 8:55 a.m.

    "I am not impressed with him so far."

    How much tape of him did you watch the last few weeks? Oh yeah, the same as the rest of us...none! Thanks for your expert opinion and evaluation of him. You must work at ESPN.

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    July 26, 2011 8:49 a.m.

    Mangum was trying to get other recruits to consider BYU. Doesn't sound like he's wavering. Plus, We won't see him on campus for 3 more years. King Jake will be in the pros by then fighting for his clipboard trying to learn the Sunday game.

  • BP Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2011 8:40 a.m.

    I'm glad to hear he had such a great performance. I hope he stays with his decision to go to BYU (because a lot of schools will be looking to snatch him away during the next few months).

  • IndianaCoug Bloomington, IN
    July 26, 2011 8:25 a.m.

    RE: GoGetter
    "If he does as much as Jake Hypes has done so far at BYU, there isn't much to worry about for their opponents."

    Even if Heaps never took a snap at BYU he was a tremendous get. He is chiefly responsible for Apo and Stout coming to the Y and has helped in the recruiting of several other top players. Lucky for us he's a pretty decent QB too. I think he'll have a phenomenal season, picking up right where he left off at the end of last season. Over the last eight games he was one best QBs in the country.

    Mangum should have a similar impact on recruiting. He's is a fantastic athlete and an even better person. Welcome to cougar nation Tanner. Go Cougs!

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 26, 2011 8:24 a.m.

    What a downer! You sound jealous!

    "If he does as much as Jake Hypes has done so far at BYU, there isn't much to worry about for their opponents.
    I am not impressed with him so far."

    Heaps broke many freshman BYU QB records last season. This means he is one of the best Freshmen ever in the state of Utah. This season will reveal a lot about him again as his season can be compared to full seasons against Detmer and Hall. Time will tell.
    Top rated QB's continue to commit to BYU. It is going to continue to get better for BYU.

    Let's see how you feel about him after you watch all the BYU games this season.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2011 8:19 a.m.


    "I am not impressed with him so far."

    Then, either you didn't pay much attention to last half of Jake's freshman season, or you're a poor judge of quarterback talent.

    Either way, Jake will do plenty this coming season to impress even the biggest skeptics.

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    July 26, 2011 7:54 a.m.

    If he does as much as Jake Hypes has done so far at BYU, there isn't much to worry about for their opponents.

    I am not impressed with him so far.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 26, 2011 7:48 a.m.

    This is just such a great story all around. I can't imagine anyone could find anything negative to say.

    At all.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 26, 2011 7:18 a.m.

    This is just one more classic example of how inaccurate the stars rating system really is. In most situations athletes need to be from prominent high school programs in Texas, California and Florida or be recruited by top programs in AQ conferences to receive 5 stars. The Elite 11 left little doubt that Tanner is one of the exceptional QB talents in the nation and is clearly a 5 star talent.

    The QB pipeline at BYU is looking bright with our plethora of current talent and Kuresa, Hill, Olsen and Mangum waiting in the wings. These QB will attract a ton of other offensive talent in the coming years. Go Cougs!

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    July 26, 2011 2:15 a.m.

    Wouldn't that be absolutely amazing to have two more BYU QB's winning the Heisman. Man can only dream of such lofty aspirations.

  • CougarKeith Roy, UT
    July 26, 2011 12:10 a.m.

    This says alot for Brandon Doman and a lot for the BYU program and it's scouting! Bigger still for Mangum and for the future of BYU football!!! This is a big deal, and our recruits will only get better!

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 25, 2011 11:09 p.m.

    "In 2009, current BYU starting quarterback Jake Heaps won MVP honors at the Elite 11. To receive pledges from two MVPs in the course of three years is a big deal for QB coach Brandon Doman."

    The BYU quarterback factory is alive and well!