Judge to decide Tuesday whether he'll serve prison time for fake bids at BLM auction
Well Rational, I agree with you. Fanaticism is bad in almost every case, but
when you look at what he did 1) he stopped the sale permanently (or at least for
4 years), 2) nobody was hurt, and 3) he accepted the penalty alone, I stand by
my statement. I do admire his conviction and his passion. It may have been
extreme by some measures, but it wasn't irrational. It was a carefully-chosen
I see I'm compelled to give a remedial US history lesson in response to
byronbca's comments about the Founding Fathers. Yes, they were revolutionaries,
but their rights as colonists were not being respected (confiscation of
property, criminal procedures not followed).the comparison is not
apt. Today's "civil disobedience" is just an excuse for anarchy and
"the mob." We live in a representative democracy under a constitution
and bill of rights. We have a process (albeit slow, and sometimes messy) for
dealing with making or changing laws. That's how civilized societies do things;
not by the sword.Men are justified taking up the sword in defense of
their lives and liberties if threatened in like manner, which was the case in
American revolution. To compare DeChristopher to Rosa Parks or a
Founding Father is offensive, and a complete joke. Hopefully the
judge will fairly weigh all circumstances (first time offense, etc.) in the
sentencing. But at the end of the day, he intentionally broke the law and must
answer to society for that.
Re: bryonbcaWay to completely miss the boat on rational's
comparison. Misdirected passion was the comparison and was very well put. Try no
to read to much into things next time since no comparison was made to the
gravity of the two crimes, which of course would be apples and oranges.
Mr. DeChristopher has established in a court of law, through his strenuous
actions, and the publicity he has sought for them, that advocates of the global
warming myth are ready, willing and able to LIE in order to achieve their
obejectives.He has also demonstrated in court that advocates of the
global warming myth are stupid. So would an intelligent citizen
rely on Mr. DeChristopher when he tells us that global warming is causing
increasing numbers of stronger hurricanes? When he reassures us that the fact
that average global temperatures have not risen for 15 years, even though CO2
and other greenhouse gases have continued to climb, does not somehow demolish
the theoretical models that all predicted a straight line correlation between
CO2 and temperature? That Utah is not supposed to have any snow in its
mountains (instead of skiing on the 4th of July)? This just adds to
the confessions of fraud in the University of East Anglia emails, and the gross
exaggerations by hypocrite energy hog Al Gore, to show the bogus nature of the
alleged "crisis" of global warming.
Re rational:Did you really just compare disrupting a government
auction to mass murder? Do you actually believe that not going through proper
channels is comparable to murdering over 70 people? That's not a very rational
comparison.People are calling for this guys head, but what did he
really do? Answer: he misrepresented himself, that's it, the only law he broke
was that he claimed to be in the oil business when he was not. If we held our
politicians to the same standards as DeChristopher most of congress would get
locked up for life.
"Not all environmentalists like DeChristopher's brand of activism"
This has to be the most "no duh" headline I have ever read. I
recycle, contact my legislators, and conserve energy, but wouldn't dream of
committing fraud at a land auction. Headline should be "Vast
majority of environmentalists disapprove of DeChristopher's action"
We have had individuals committing serious crimes, including robbing Indian
graves, arsonists, etc who have been put on probation or slapped on their hands.
This guy should not "serve" time for what he had done.
Re gr8dane:Any government not afraid of anarchy will do whatever it wants.
I hope that there will always be Americans brave enough to fight governmental
corruption, even if it means breaking unjust and tyrannical laws.Our
founding fathers were the biggest anarchists this continent has ever seen. The
civil rights movement was full of anarchists and "criminals" who broke
the law in order to gain freedoms. DeChristopher broke the rules
because he was playing against cheaters. Yes he should face
consequences for his actions, but do we really need to give someone jail time
for a simple act of civil disobedience? I think 3 months probation and a $10,000
fine would be fair.
eddie: Even if you disagree with him, you have to admire his passion.-------No you don't.Misdirect passion isn't admirable. Just
ask the Norwegians.
...and yes I use oil and will continue to, until something different is found.
I just say if it's gunna cost me the same, no mater where it comes from,
then let them put their derricks in someone else's parks and wild places--------------Wow. You truly care about Mother Earth and
the environment. Are you instilling those values in your children: "Its
OK to do something wrong, as long as it doesn't hurt us?"Heretic, indeed.
He should get the same sentence as Mike Noel did when I illegally operated his
It is a slippery slope when members of our society think themselves above the
law, or that their particular view (no matter how deeply felt) is so much more
enlightened than others, that it justifies them taking criminal actions.That's a recipe for anarchy. It undermines the rule of law that is the
foundation for a civilized and stable society.It really is arrogant
to think that my views, no matter how deeply I feel that I am right, are more
enlightened so that I can just go out and be a rabble rouser in support of my
cause and against the law.If you disagree with the law, then
advocate within the law to have it changed. If you lose on that score, then
keep at it until you do win within the law. To go outside the law makes you a
Drilling on American Soil is actually the best thing that could happen to reduce
the so called, Carbon footprint of the US. Yet this man, with his illegal
actions make us burn more oil.Just think of all the oil we could
save by not having to defend Mideastern oil. Think of all the oil burned by our
military just to see that the Arab word can sell their dirty, over priced oil to
the rest of the world. Think of all the oil burned by the tankers to ship the
oil around the world.Drill Here Drill Now! Open up this country to
oil production (you want to see us get out of this financial depression?) It is
the responsible thing to do both financially and environmentally. The problem
with environmentalist, they don't think things through.
Tim DeChristopher is the new face of the Democratic party in Utah. The new
progressive/libereral/activist face. And Dabakis wants more Mormons to join the
Democrats. Good luck to that.Send DeChristopher to prison for a
couple of years (SuperMax in Colorado Springs would be good), fine him millions,
after that give him about a 20 year parole, make him pay back all costs for
court, and incarceration. All while working as a fry cook at McDonalds.
Thanks, DN, for reminding us of how grateful we are to be rid of Rocky as the
personification of Utah to the world!
To answer your question, Joy, he did so because the Bush administration was
trying to auction off these land rights to their friends quickly before the
Obama administration took office. Obama had made it clear that he would NOT
auction off a portion of these lands, and if these people were going to get the
rights to them, they had to do it before Obama was sworn in. I'm not saying I
agree with him, but he made the choice that potential jail time was worth saving
these particular lands. Even if you disagree with him, you have to admire his
I think that he should go to prison. Having said that, I would hope that he
could share cell space with the frauds who tanked the economy by trading in a
hedge funds and by making mortgage loans to people who couldn't pay them back.
There has to be some fraud in their somewhere.
How can you go to an auction knowing full well you don't have the money to
purchase anything but intentionally bid to stop anyone else from getting the
bid?Wouldn't that alone be illegal and a form of perjury. Sen him to
prison and make him pay the court cost. Enough with the slap on the hand. He'll
think twice before he does it again.
Several have suggested that his punishment include him being required to pay the
$1.8 that he bid. He didn't get what he bid for(cause he can't pay but if he
has to pay for the lease he should be allowed to sell it(as other companies
do)to raise money. Who knows, with the high prices at the first of the year he
might have made a profit.That aside or legalities of interfering
with a Federal Action which others have done over the years)it does point out
that someone, up to the last amount WAS willing to pay the price bid, to gamble
that they could somehow make a profit from that lease. I have even heard though
I don't know of companies agreeing in advance not to bid ahainst each other on
certain parcels to keep the overall price down.IF that is true, then it is then
that is stealing from YOU and from me.What I think would be a fair
fine would be to pay the difference between the 2nd highest and his bid. Give
the bid to the 2nd highest for what they bid & the Government wouldn't be
out but bidcosts.
When persons resort to civil disobedience, it usually means that some law is
being broken by that civil disobedience. A person would not do that, I think,
if he/she thought the law in question was good law. Fair enough. However, when a person deliberately breaks the law, he/she should be willing
to accept the penalty imposed by the law, without calling for exceptional
treatment in his/her case.
I wonder if Rocky would allow me to avoid prison if I failed to pay my taxes?
Doubtful. Rocky is a has-been.
Three pages of Rocky Anderson's opinion and no updates about the case or legal
analysis of the issues involved? Thanks for the "news," DN. If
there's so little going on that you have to write a story about Anderson
ankle-biting another activist, why write it?
This man is a hero, and I will write the President urging him to pardon Mr.
My opinion is he is very juvenile and very foolish. This is not a cause to go
to prison for. Most people have issues they are passionate about. That does
not justify civil disobedience and most do not pursue that route. I concur, he
has done nothing to further the cause. I hope he enjoys his notoriety while in
prison. I suspect he will eventually regret his actions.
What DeChristopher did was illegal and he should pay the price, but anything
more than probation would be a huge injustice. All he did was disrupt an oil
auction, he didn't hurt anyone, he didn't damage anything.What he
did do was bring attention to the fact that the way these parcels of land are
being auctioned off exclusively to oil companies should be illegal. Why should
oil companies have a monopoly on these Utah lands? Shouldn't Utahn's have some
say in how our land is used?The United States has a long and storied
history of injustice, but it also has a history of people willing to stand up
and fight government corruption. Rosa Parks was a criminal too, but I don't
think anyone would argue today that what she did was wrong.Any
American who believes in justice must also believe in fighting injustice, even
if it means breaking the law.
> Gr8Dane : it is not that the sides are polarized as much as the fact that
many in the 'green' movemnet are miserably mis-&un-informed which results in
the polarization. This is quite unfortunate because it is demeaning and does not
advance constructive solutions or understanding.Fingers crossed that
this juvenile behavior will soon dissipate and we can solve many of the
challenges that we face as a nation.
He is a criminal. Lock him up.
The lesson is, if you totally tank and rob the economy like Wall street and the
bankers did you will be shielded from the law and even given bonuses. If someone
who has no influence on the elite does it then they are swiftly brought to
justice. Dave Chapelle was right about two justice systems. One for
the elite and the one for the rest of us.
I really don't appreciate the previous broadside against Republicans, when they
said they supported "leaving nothing but scorched Earth." The comment
was in quotes.. so who supposedly said that? Isn't that just jeuvenile, Jr.
High type hyperbole that just undermines the credibility of the poster? It's
really ridiculous. That's the problem with our country now. The
sides are so polarized, and too many people now think that it's just normal and
acceptable to just attack each other with tihs type of over the top verbiage.
We're all the lesser for it.I say, please grow up. The world is
more nuanced than you state. Yes, extracting energy here at home is necessary,
because like food, we all rely on it to survive.
Steven Harper: Real change comes at a price; it's incremental and involves
unlikely alliances amongst diverse stakeholders.Well said the
alliance between oil companies and bribes (lobbying) paid to politicians is not
accessible to the average citizen (they have their own special entrance on the
hill) or diverse anything, it is greed by politicians and corporations to hold
as many leases as they can whether they drill or not. The oil they suck from UT
does nothing to lower prices or stop terrorism. It lines the pockets of the very
few while selling our children's inheritance. One need's only look at the bust
and boom of digging for riches that is the Uinta basin. Vernals paper mache
dinosaur with christmas lights illuminates what the oil industry has done for
Utah....and yes I use oil and will continue to, until something
different is found. I just say if it's gunna cost me the same, no mater
where it comes from, then let them put their derricks in someone else's parks
and wild placesUtah Republicans: "Leave nothing but scorched
Earth, Someone else will clean it up."
Have him pay the 1.8 million he owes. Then have him pay all the legal fees the
taxpayers have been stuck with. Then put him in jail for 6 months or a year to
deter other idiots from doing this in the future.It won't surprise me a
bit to see him end up working for one of these groups that are commending him.
Maybe that's why he did it.
"former Salt Lake Mayor Rocky Anderson ... insists jailing the man would be
wrong". Considering the fact that Ross Anderson was an attorney for the
ACLU he wouldn't object to giving this convicted criminal a medal.
My impression of DeChristopher is that of a young man who is not particularly
bright and is easily influenced by others. With all the publicity he
has garnered, he has an unrealistic view of himself, truly believing he is a
martyr for a great cause. The sad thing is that those closest to him
and encouraging him on, his close associates and church members, are not
themselves willing to go to jail but are happy to have him go if his doing so
gives them some limelight through protest marches, etc.He needs time
for a good dose of reality.
Real change comes at a price; it's incremental and involves unlikely alliances
amongst diverse stakeholders. That's the reality of authentic change. Not street
theater, not monkey-wrenching illegal actions, not self-promotion to raise funds
in Malibu, Telluride, or New York City. Our former mayor is being very kind to
Tim DeChristopher. I concur with Mayor Anderson's position that "Bogus
Bidder 70" changed no minds in any way that furthers climate change
solutions. I also agree that Tim should NOT go to prison. My recommendation to
Judge Benson is that he spare the taxpayers the expense of paying for Tim's
"writing workshop" and his "letters from a federal prison."
Give Tim parole, but make HIM pay, not the taxpayers. Fine him the full amount
of the leases he bid on. Fine him for court costs. Confine him to Utah until his
fines are paid. Make part of his APP that he is prohibited from associating with
other known lawbreakers, like those of his followers arrested in Washington,
D.C. or here after hijacking a busload of school children. Make Tim pay court
costs with money he has earned. Not with donations, but community service and
Is this guy's 15 minutes up yet? His civil disobedience is not an aim to foster
climate change, like he claims it is, but to make a name for himself. The fact
that he didn't even attempt the legal means to stop the auction, as illustrated
in the article, only help prove that. I bet if you look into his personal life,
you'll find little in the way he tries to reduce his carbon footprint. An Al
He did the crime, let him do the time. Their are legal means at his disposal. He
should also have to pay for all court costs in this case.
"We think he has made a huge sacrifice and we are incredibly
grateful,"...++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Huge sacrifice? Yes.
Huge difference? Not at all. For once, Rocky was right.