Papa Smurf"other than the game against crappy Utep, he has not
had a QB rating over 125."This is why Utah fans should stick to
evaluating defensive linemen; they know nothing about evaluating QBs.Heaps averaged 152.19 the final six games of his Freshman year, including
ratings of 162.25, 242.64, 137.1, and 171.69.Wynn averaged 130.75 as
a Freshman and 139.85 as a Sophomore.Heaps threw 14 TDs the final
six games of his Freshman year.Wynn threw 17 TDs during his entire
Sophomore year.And lets not forget, Wynn was surrounded by
experienced skill position players. Heaps not only had to deal with
the two-headed QB monster, but was also surrounded by a completely new set of
skill position players, most of whom were Freshmen.Heaps' footwork,
poise, and reads, even as a Freshman, were light years ahead of Wynn as a
Sophomore.Utah fans comparing Heaps to Wynn are going to look as
foolish as Utah fans who were comparing Jimmer to Henderson a year ago.
Papa Smurf UTE"Why would we trade Wynn and Wilson for Heaps and
Mangum? Explain the reasoning behind that profetic comment."The
reasoning will become crystal clear this year and next year for Heaps vs Wynn;
Mangum vs Wilson remains to be seen.
hedgehoglast century, this century, any century, one school is known
for producing ZERO great quarterbacks
Swoop,Why would we trade Wynn and Wilson for Heaps and Mangum?
Explain the reasoning behind that profetic comment. Heaps may in fact become a
great QB in his time in Provostan, but other than the game against crappy Utep,
he has not had a QB rating over 125. If he was playing in the NFL that would be
the great, but he played against pathetic teams at the end of the year, &
still had a bad QB rating. I wish him all the best, but he has proved nothing so
far. As of right now I would trade Wynn for Andrew Luck, but definitely not
Heaps and Mangum.
"One school is known for producing great quarterbacks like Jim McMahon,
Steve Young, and Ty Detmer."Swoop,That's like
saying Navy is known for producing roger Stauback....hmm, try to keep it in this
Century.Let's update..k?One school is known for
producing great quarterbacks like John Beck and Max Hall.
"Tanner Mangum continues to define himself as one of America's best QBs.
Red-hot performances. Ice-cold nerves. Extremely talented!""No one else had a performance that was in the same stratosphere as
Mangum on Thursday. While many prospects were dragging, struggling with their
reads and physically lethargic, Mangum stepped under center and immediately
brought energy, confidence and excitement to the huddle."Heaps
is just getting started and the BYU quarterback factory is already working on
the next edition of great BYU quarterbacks.
Heaps > WynnMangum > WilsonOne school is known for
producing great quarterbacks like Jim McMahon, Steve Young, and Ty Detmer. One school is known for Alex Smith.Doman is an exciting,
rising star in college coaching.Chow had a great run at BYU, but is
nearing retirement and is being paid a half-million this year NOT to coach at
UCLA.BYU fans are genuinely excited about the prospects of Heaps
having a breakout season.Utah fans are silently crossing their
fingers hoping that Wynn won't be a disaster.Utah fans can spin all
they want to, but we all know they'd trade Wynn and Wilson for Heaps and Mangum
in a heartbeat.
Real BYU fans want to see Utah do well. I will be rooting for the Utes to win
the Pac 12 and it is good to see they are bringing on a top QB in Wilson. I
would rather beat a 10-2 Utah than a 6-6 Utah any day. It is great
to see a BYU recruit win another Elite 11 MVP award. But with BYU recruits the
long layoff always makes things a crapshoot. Hopefully the timing is right with
Mangum and he doesn't follow the timing of Lark and Munns who likely will not
see any quality playing time due to when they returned from their missions.
SoCalUtahFan: You have no basis for your slam on Doman(it is totally
unnecessary) and although Norm has had a great career as a coach he seems to be
on the down hill slide, I wouldn't degrade Doman if I were you, it will probably
come back to bite you.
chicagoborn: As a BYU fan, I don't appreciate your mud slinging, negative,
degrading comments. That is exactly what I hate about so many of the ute
fans/trolls that post, negative, degrading comments with no basis and no truth.
It shows no character, we all need to be above that kind of thing. There is no
reason not to congratulate Wilson and wish him the best. Go Cougs.
@SoCalUtahFan:Your grades seem a bit arbitrary. I see things a bit
differently. Consider:Grade "A+" student + Grade
"B+" teacher/mentor --> Grade "A" student(Mangum +
Dorman)Grade "A" student + Grade "A"
teacher/mentor (25-yrs ago) --> Grade "?" student(Wilson +
Chow)My concern, and I think it is valid is that Chow has
effectively been fired from his last two jobs and hasn't held a steady coaching
position since he left BYU. He may be great, but then Ute fans say the BYU team
in 1984 didn't face the same competition as teams today. Is Chow really an
"A" coach or a "C" coach that got lucky with a couple BYU
QBs 25 yrs ago? Honest question.
Come, now, cougar faithful! Let us not be churlish or arrogant.Just
because our little brothers (some) repeated incessantly the chant that no can
come out of Idaho, ever, and that not only is southern California the center of
the HS football recruiting universe, it IS the universe......doesn't
mean we have rub it in while savoring the moment. Really.Just
because the relations to the north consistently belittle, bemoan, decry and
deflate every one of our accomplishments as outdated, overstated, inflated and
irrelevant - now, when they are left with absolutely nothing to say, the best
thing to say is......nothing.Which is why I couldn't do
it. Way to go, Tanner and Travis! You both have represented well! Now get
back to work, this isn't the end of the race.
PAC-12 foes take note!As a life long Utah fan I doubt if Utah has
ever had a quarterack ranked this high out of high school. Certainly not in
recent history. You would have to go back to the early 1980's and Scott
Mitchell to even come close. But how have the Utes done without such a
quarterback? Try two undefeated season in the past 10 years. Try two BCS wins.
Try winning the highest percentage of bowl wins (among all with 10 bowl games
or more. Try the second longest winning streak in bowl games all time. Try
earning an invitation to one of the premier sports conferences in the nation.
Now look to the possible future. With a head coach that was ranked
first in the nation in development of his players. With a new quarterback
coach, Norm Chow, credited with developing three Heisman Trophy winners. With a
new conference where team play on the field will be acknowledged for what it is
- not with the questions about the level of opponents, etc. Put these together
with a quarterback invited to the Elete Eleven competition and the future looks
Tanner and Travis became friendly rivals at the Elite 11. They probably even
cheered for one another. Maybe we should emulate their fine example. Besides, we
only have to see each other once a year for football unless. The loser has no
chance at a NC game and the winner probably doesn't have a chance either.
"Row, row,row your boat gently down the stream" doesn't apply to
either team this year. I'd say it is more like white water rafting for both. Everybody stay safe for the rest of the Summer. Stay cool.
Allow me to answer the Cougars' assumptions above...Grade
"A" student + Grade "B-" teacher/mentor --> Grade
"B+" student(Mangum + Dorman)Grade "A"
student + Grade "A+" teacher/mentor --> Grade "A+"
student(Wilson + Chow)Enough said.
...the 6-foot-6 quarterback has all the tools to make it at the next level...Who can help him to that next level? Norm Chow.Who is better than
Norm Chow to do that? No one exists yet.What have I done to deserve
this--a great So Cal kid being turned into a great QB for a great team playing
in a greate conference.All are just great.Wow! I can't
wait to see the Utes...and I will be able to see more Utes in action now in So
Best quote from article: "For the second straight day Tanner Mangum won the
accuracy competition at the Elite 11"This is a message board.
All the ute fans asking for us not to comment....HELLO!!! This is an online
message board!! If you don't want to read or comment, then get off!!! BYU's recruit was MVP, Utah's was not. BYU wins this battle. BYU
> Utah.Go Cougars!!
ted cantrell | 8:57 p.m. July 22, 2011 OREM, UTArguing with a Ute is
like wrestling with a Pig. Both everyone gets dirty, but the pig loves it!
Obviously Ute fans have nothing better to do than harass BYU fans. Otherwise
they wouldn't spend their time on BYU articles.-------------So clueless teddy.This is a Utah AND BYU article.And if you'll take the time to check, you'll see that it's the Y fans who
first started the mud slinging on this story.Next time, research
before you write pal.
Real Bass | 4:21 p.m. July 22, 2011 Idaho Falls, IDTanner was MVP
and Wilson missed the cut. Enough said!------------Man,
it's remarkable how predictable you are buddy. Absolutely no class whatsoever.
Glad you're a Y fan.
That is going to be so fun watching these two go at each other and lead their
respective teams. Sounds like some great contests well into the future. I hope
I can wait four years to see it. I also hope Tanner doesn't pull a Ben Olsen.
But he sounds pretty solid.
Nice job Tanner. Great work in the elite 11 camp. Big time honor to be name
co-MVP!!! Great to have you coming to BYU!
For all Cougar fans here who think the Ute posters are just trying to rain on
the BYU/Mangum parade...you're all hypersensitive!I've yet to read more
than maybe one post from a Ute fan I honestly don't agree with. While Mangum
must look awesome right now, he's 3 or more years from college. Ute fans here
aren't saying the guy sucks or that Wilson is better. We're simply saying wait
and see before giving him the Heisman trophy...need I remind you of Ben
Olson?That being said, nothing wrong with being stoked about your recruit
and proud that he's looking good. While I'd have loved to see Wilson with the
MVP, I can't say I care much. In fact, I honestly don't mind seeing a young guy
get invited to that camp and come out of it knowing he's not the best and needs
to keep working. I also love his size for Chow's offense and can again honestly
say I'm glad he's our guy.Good luck to both and let's know a lot can
change from now 'til they take a college snap...if they do. Good luck to both
Arguing with a Ute is like wrestling with a Pig. Both everyone gets dirty, but
the pig loves it! Obviously Ute fans have nothing better to do than harass
BYU fans. Otherwise they wouldn't spend their time on BYU articles.It is nice to see Utah get a decent quarterback talent. I wish him, Travis
Wilson, well. I hope that BYU North will train him better than Vince Young.Tanner Mangum is just another quarterback in the long line. Both John
Beck and Max Hall managed a mission and became good college quarterbacks. He
will do just fine. And by 2017 BYU will have a couple more Elite 11
@MormonUte"Hopefully the press will remind us of his
credentials when he gets back, because I know I won't remember."Yeah, yeah, dissing the MVP and saying you won't remember his credentials. Did your mommy ever catch you lying because you're really bad at it. Jealous much?
Papa Smurf UTE I am sorry Ute Fan's today is Tanner Mangum week.
Check back with us next week we are celebrating here.
Looks like BYU is returning to Quarterback U. One the best QB
coaches in the country is attracting some the best QB talent in the nation.Great talent this year and an incredible pipeline = happy CougFaninTX.
There is no doubt that Taysom and Tanner will attract a lot more talent to
Mormon Ute, I think you misunderstood chicagoborn, I think its sarcasm, you are
both making the same point. I am really looking forward to seeing how Wilson
does as a Ute, this kid is looking like the real deal. Go Utes!
Real Bass,Yup! Winning the MVP is the end all, be all for who will
be the best QB out of the two. I sure hope that is not the case for you. Heaps
won the MVP, and we have seen how that has worked out so far against good
competition. Granted he is still young, and will most likely become a good QB in
the future, but PLEASE little troll, lets wait to pass judgement on these kids
until they have actually played a game or two on the collegiate level. I know
that you love to down grade everything that is UTAH, & make bYu look like
the best thing since sliced bread, but you might want to leave your mothers
basement once in awhile and go check out the real world outside of Provostan.
You might learn a thing or two.
chicagoborn,Explain to me how it is embarrassing to be one of the
top 24 high school QB's in the country? How many high schools are there? This
is one Ute fan whose not worried.
You should not be embarrassed by your qbs. Things will be just fine, little
brother. And remember, you still have Lord Norm!
It will be interesting to see how Mangum does in 4 or 5 years. He won't even be
in a BYU uniform for 3 years and then will likely need at least a year to get
back into shape and regain his form, accuracy and timing. The added maturity
will be an asset he will need to compete with whomever else is there at the
time. Hopefully the press will remind us of his credentials when he gets back,
because I know I won't remember.
Yeah what a worthless QB Travis Wilson is going to turn out to be. I mean being
invited to the Elite 11 football camp and not making the cut to the last 11 and
all he managed to win was the best release award. How embarrassing.
As a Ute fan I'm excited. Wilson will be coming to the U just in time to
compete with Tyler Shreve to back up Jordan Wynn his senior season setting up a
good situation for Utah when Wynn graduates. He's learned what he needs to work
on at this camp and now has his senior season to make improvements. Still,
being one of the top 24 QB's in the country isn't shabby.
Tanner was MVP and Wilson missed the cut. Enough said!
Congrats to both players on their performance in the camp. Also, congrats to
Mangum for hsi CO-MVP honors with two other QB's. However, before either school
starts to gloat, say their recruit is better than the other, let's just wait
until they play their first games in a college uniform. They are still high
school QB's, and dont need to read all of the crap that comes out of each of the
schools trolls mouths. Let them finish their senior season, graduate, then go on
a mission, or head to spring camp, then we can watch them play, and say who is
better. Hopefully they each have a great senior year, and make us all proud. GO
I will take accuracy, ability to lead an offense and read a defense. Mangum is
big enough to see and pass over the lineman and his release is fine. I kind of like the sound of perfect.