It is admirable of Brandon Beckham to apologize. As for HB116, it is a jobs
bill, putting people to work and allowing them to work legally. Work shouldn't
be illegal, in the first place. And, considering that HB116 does allow work,
isn't it better that anyone should work than be on welfare unnecessarily? Is it
fair that on one hand we tally up how much the undocumented cost us in welfare
(not tallying up how much those born here also cost us) while on the other hand
fighting tooth and nail to keep these people out of work. Of course they take
jobs from us, same as you and I take jobs from each other, but they also create
jobs just by being here, as they buy our food, buy our entertainment, and buy
our gasoline. Those dollars don't go back to Mexico. They stay here.
@runwasatch. The Declaration of Independance says if our government does what it
is doing we the people have the right to abolish it and start over. This is my
dream. And put in a few good politicians who know to protect the Constitution
and our rights and liberties instead of make more laws to create oppression. The
problem is too many people in this country support and believe the lies of
politicians. To them i am a Libertarian nutjob. They think the Constitution is
out of date and so am I.The problem with the state of Utah is 99 percent
of Utah is Republican. My voice will not be heard. They will just laugh if I
show up at a meeting. most people in Utah think I am a fool not to support
either party on immigration. They think the Republican Party is perfect and does
the same all the same things the people in the Book of Mormon would do. This is
Utah. I deal with these worthless discussions constantely. I feel like I'm about
the only person in Utah who is active LDS and a Libertarian. A least the church
is compassionate. Not Republicans.
The extremists of both major politcal parties will continue to hijack and
polarize our political process as long as the vast majority of eligible citizens
refuse to register to vote, are too lazy to vote once registered, and their only
involvement in local, state, or federal government is an occasional trip to a
ballot box or a whiny complaining post on a comment board.If you
don't like the current state of extremist politics get off the couch, turn off
the video games and go attend a city council meeting, legislative session, etc,
etc, etc.Our political system has devolved simply because most of us
just can't be bothered to sacrifice a little personal time in an effort to get
involved.Put up or shut up!
I am very much for employment verification coupled with a path of residency for
those who have been here for 5 years, catch up on taxes, and obtain at least a
GED. Our economy needs their tax dollars and social security contributions.
With secure employment verification, the carrot of easy employment disappears.
We need those immigrants who want to contribute to be able to step out of the
shadows and drive our economy like immigrants of the past. Or perhaps our ultra
conservatives have an agenda of driving them further into the shadows so we will
have even more of a subclass of workers that employers can easily take advantage
of. We also need sound economic policies to assist our southern
neighbors improve economies so there are more opportunities there.
There will always be differing values assigned to different labor jobs. The
free market will drive the jobs and not enforcement. The US tacitly turned its
eye away from undocumented workers as the economy needed a source of cheap
labor. These families now have deep community roots with what I will call
part-member families. They are our neighbors. Most work hard and are a credit
to our society. Those that choose to not work hard or commit violent crimes
should have their "welcome" taken away. The undocumented did
not cause the recession, but now their deportation is seen as the magical
panacea to all our societal and economical ills. Who are the politicians going
to pick on when the undocumented are gone and a tremendous tax base is gone?
Georgia recently saw an exodus of farm workers and crops are rotting everywhere.
Will the state economy magically get better now that a percentage of
undocumented are avoiding Georgia? The answer will be no.
Wouldn't it be nice now if the illegal trespassing advocates could NOW come on
the DN and apologize for hiring and promoting the use of illegal immigrant
labor?I'm obviously dreaming!
Many called Arizona's Governor and legislature traitors after they passed 1070.
That was permitted tough. No one really mentioned it. There is a
name for people who take jobs from Utah's citizens and give them to foreign
citizens. HB 116 will never fly, it's to flawed. Immigration and
labor laws would need to be rewritten for our entire country. It's purpose was
to keep things the same as they were before, and encourage more to come here
illegally for the next several months. That is against Federal law. If we get a massive shift in congress in the 2012 elections, and we start
enforcing our immigration laws again, our legislature and governor could find
themselves as felons for encouraging illegal immigrants to come to this country.
This sellout of Utah for cheap labor has to stop.
I was surprised by the original "traitor" label, but find it
refreshing that a politician recognized his mistake and apologized for it. It
was also funny to read JJJHS's post calling out personal attacks, after making
Thank you for your comments JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt and Chris Bryant.I agree with everything you said. But I see just as much hate from the left
also. I am happy my wife is a beautiful Latina and legally here. It is mind
boggling how many Republicans I know think it is ok for people born here to take
advantage of the government but then they get furious when Hispanics are doing
it. I do not think it is right for anyone to take advantage of the government. I
am not a Liberal or a Democrat wither especially with all the hate going toward
my religious beleifs and freedom because of the gay rights issues. Both sides
are loaded with extremists. This man who should have stuck his foot in his
mouth is what we are always getting in politics and why I have had enough of
both parties.Why cant we agree to love freedom, the Constitution, and this
country?Republicans and Democrats only care about power and nothing
else.We cannot be Lemmings and side with political powers. We need to side
with America and freedom.
Utah's republican party has been hijacked by the far right extremists who feel
that they have all the answers and anyone who disagrees with them is
unpatriotic, a liberal, an atheist, a communist, a socialist, a traitor, a RINO,
etc. etc. Like JJJHS above, I left the republican party because of
people like that. Ill probably be back though, so I can vote in the primaries
and try to make sure that these far right-wingers don't get any more power.
People like this delegate who thinks he is some big shot with their incendiary
and childish behavior are one of the reasons I left the Republican party to be
an independent. This guy was raised on right wing radio talk of Hannity and
beck, the school of personal attacks. Do yourselves a favor Utahns and stop
listening to that divisive stuff. Personally, I listen to conference talks and
the Mormon channel on YouTube. My spirit is in a better place now
that I don't listen to that devilish, divisive and contentious tone. I recall
feeling the presence of the holy ghost diminish when I used to listen to that