Until all our American children are cared for and don't go without food,
clothing and medicine we have no business attempting to care for any other
FormerUT wrote that "Second--as the article stated, MOST Mexican citizens
CANNOT get more advanced medical care, because most hospitals and medical
professionals in most areas of Mexico DO NOT HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE to provide
them!!!" which I take it to mean that outside Mexico City, or some other
big cities, the care is sub-standard as shown by the lack of a correct
diagnosis.Why did they cross the border rather than stay in country?
Travel distance? highwaymen? mexican busses? I don't know but I Googled
"Shriners hospital Mexico and found one in Mexico City. Wikipedia has a
list of hospitals in Mexico.Either they are sub-standard or the people
were "drawn like a moth to a flame" to cross the border for free care
that others pay for. (That is assuming that it was free for them. I don't know.)
Bob, some of my relatives came here legally from Mexico. We want people and
business to follow our laws, even Shriners hospital.
Some of the rationale for keeping "Mexicans" out of the US sounds a
lot like Brieviks rationale for killing nearly a hundred people in Norway.
Charity is wonderful. Hooray for the Shriners. But the gist of this article is
that the border is a problem. We get endless sob stories about people from
other countries wanting free medical care here. Well, if they can get here
legally, and if the care is privately funded, more power to them.But, the reality is that the world is full of billions of sob stories, nearly
all of which might be ameliorated if the person could come to the United States
and get on the taxpayer funded gravy train. Problem is, the American taxpayers
can't afford it. It would destroy us.The best thing we could do for
the rest of the world would be to teach them the culture and political system
that made America what it is, and help them to emulate it, if they wanted. But,
any attempt to do that seems to have stopped decades go. And, that culture is
disappearing in this country, being replaced by a bunch of people who think they
are entitled to the fruits of another man's labor just because they have a need.
Shriners is a great hospital, supported by donations from the fraternal
organization members and outside charities. This is one of the side
affects of all the illegal immigration. They are not above the law. Did they
think that the government would not require a medical visa, like they do for
others coming here for help? I don't understand their complaining. They created
the situation, why can't they just provide them with transportation to their
Mexico city hospital and treat them there? until they find a place to locate to
inside Mexico? It's probably cheaper to move several doctors and
support staff for a few days, than to move hundreds of people across an
international border. Mexico is an industrialized country (#12 in
ranking among all nations) with medical facilities that rival the US. There are
many other hospitals that do work for free on Children in Mexico other than
Shriners. Nobody wants to have children turned away, but Shiners
needs to have people follow the laws, or move the clinic back over the border.
Perhaps they can have a immigration attorney donate his time to do the
The amount of self-sanctimonious posters frankly astounds me. The Shriners's
policy is to never deny a child medical care. The do not receive federal
funding. This is not about illegals seeking to use the system.. it is about
people who live in Mexico who just seek to have their children taken care of.
This has nothing to do with the illegal immigration issue but rather with the
tragedy of the violence and tighter border security (FROM drugs and illegals)
that hinders people who are trying to play by the rules. So please spare me your
bull about "They can just go to a Mexican hospital." Big people here,
lets go after the kid's getting help... real big.
I thought this story was amazing and after spending the morning at Shriners with
my son at the wheelchair department, I come home amazed that they help people so
much. We are blessed.My son has had hip surgery by Dr. Santora, the
same doctor in this article. He is AMAZING! We are blessed to have access to
Shriners. I cannot even imagine not being able to have access to this great
hospital, just because I was not born in the "right" country that is
being said on these posts. The doctors do go do surgery in other
countries. That is not always the answer. My son has had to wait a month for a
doctor to go to another country to help these sweet kids in other countries
because they could not come here. I hope people will not assume
they are superior because they were born in the "right" country and go
support this benefit. It will be an amazing night. I applaud Dr. Santora for
not only caring for the kids and working so dilengently on their surgeries but
caring enough to go out of his way to do more. We could all learn from him!
Fairly certain that in a country the size of mexico if everyone is supposed to
take there children to ONE hospital in the country to get there child's
orthopedic procedures/surgeries done if/when they actually have physicians that
can even do some of them your wait would be extreme.The ignorance in
this thread is amazing. Shriners is a non for profit. No they don't take
medicaid, medicare or your insurance. it's free. Old Men "shriners"
put a lot of time and sacrifice into raising money so little children of any
sex/creed/color/race/income level can have things of orthopedic nature fixed.
Some parts of our country Shriners is the only hospital appropriate for care for
certain surgeries. Physicians give up much of there time to do this as well.
Many work for both.Pull your head out of your ignorance and learn
about them before making comments that are so clueless folk.
Oh my word!!! Reading past entrants on here makes me think that, at least those
who comment here are completely uneducated and do not understand anything!!!First off, these families CANNOT afford the $18 the Americans claim is
all they have to pay! The MAJORITY of citizens in Mexico who live OUTSIDE Mexico
City are incredibly POOR!!! They work for tiny amounts of money, within a
business AND legal system completely CORRUPTED by the drug lords. The drug lords
have infiltrated EVERYTHING in Mexico!!!Second--as the article
stated, MOST Mexican citizens CANNOT get more advanced medical care, because
most hospitals and medical professionals in most areas of Mexico DO NOT HAVE THE
KNOWLEDGE to provide them!!! Never mind the physical and occupational therapy
the children may need for follow up!!! And heaven forbid, a Mexican citizen have
a child with an intellectual disability!!!What all of the comments
on here show is that all of you can only envision medical and other services
based upon US ideals. These ideals ARE NOT offered in Mexico. Why don't all of
you go and visit "inner" Mexico (not the tourist traps that "look
nice")--and get a clue? I did!!!
I would not cross the border to get treatment if the same was available in my
country, and it is, in Mexico city.
Well! If the shoe was on other foot you would go to Mexico for teatment instead
of trying to get treatment here in this country. Enough said.
Shriners created their own problem by not moving their clinic into another part
of Mexico. Surely they can see that. Stop trying to bring them across the
border, and treat them in their own country. Why should they be given special
treatment for a condition they caused? Lately it seems everyone
wants the government to bail them out of bad decisions they made.
People pointing out that Shriners has a hospital in Mexico and the costs
incurred could of been lessened are not cold heartless people. They proposed a
solution to the problem. Building a clinic inside Mexico away from Juarez is
another option. People don't want to hear solutions. They want to
call people names. Shriners can do what they want, but they should
not be complaining about their own decision to pull out of Juarez and not
rebuild elsewhere in the country where they could access more people, and cost
them less money. Nor should they ignore the fact that they could be operating
from their own hospital in Mexico city and avoid the border situation. I don't understand their complaining about a problem they created. Do they
want us to open our border to fill their needs? It can be handled other ways.
From reading some of these comments, I am to understand Shriners does not take
any federal aid like medicaid? It is all total charity based? Who has that
much money to donate? I do understand it is a tax write off to donate, but I
would be surprised if they do not take advantage of available tax dollars.
DMN - How about a story on a family in southern Sudan who has no hospital to go
to and if they do make it to a border of Chad, CAR, Cameroon, Ethiopia, Uganda
or other, there are no hospitals there either. Those are the people I feel
compassion for. Please folks, send some donations to a relief agency of your
choice. Maybe even the DMN could lead the way.
It is hard to believe that the DN is running yet another article in support of
the Mexican people's abuse of our institutions, in the name of
"compassion". A dislocated hip is not that unusual of a procedure that
has to be done in the US. Mexico has good health care, but of course, it is
easier to take advantage of the free services that should be used for our own
people. There are also many under developed countries all over the world that
could use this help. I am glad that I don't subscribe to the DN any longer. I
think I ought to stop reading their e-page also... it is nothing but an
Shriners provides services to children regardless of their nationality or
financial resources, including children in the US who cannot afford care or
whose local hospitals are not equipped with the expertise or facilities to
provide complex orthopedic surgeries. I suppose many of the posters will be
deriding these acts of service as well if their parents are gang members, on
well fare, or drug users. I can tell you that many similarly bigoted people
think that someone who is overweight and has diabetes, high blood pressure, or
who doesn't exercise should be left to their own devices and doesn't deserve
time or assistance, much less health care dollars spent on preventable
illnesses. I'm sure a lot of posters would fall into that category, especially
from what I've seen in Utah. Also, how many posters come from
"illegals" who stole native american land and then overlooked genocide
to get the wealth that now allows such xenophobic ideas to be put into policy?
Unless you're American Indian, you're an illegal, we'd all do well to remember
@marcamusIf it costs so much to come here, why not move the clinic
into Mexico, or use the Shriners hospital in Mexico city. Wouldn't it be
cheaper? Why does the article complain about the fees, if there is a
cheaper alternative for them?
The Shriners are performing a humanitarian and compassionate service. These
children and accompanying family members are coming here legally, I repeat
legally. They are following all of the rules. Their only complaint is the
increased fees to obtain a US visa. Instead of pointing out the
positive, the posts descend into complaints as to why these children didn't stay
in Mexico or why they are getting free services and comparing them to
undocumented individuals. This child is not undocumented and
neither are the parents. They return to Mexico after the procedures. They are
not getting services that taxpayers are funding. This is purely a compassionate
service where everyone obeys all the rules. Their only complaint is in the
increase in fees for US visas and not for Mexican visas. Great
story on the compassion people still have.
I sure hope that little girl got her hip fixed.
6 hospitals in the L.A. area have had to close their doors due to all the free
emergency room care they've had to provide to illegal immigrants. They're
SUPPOSED to be reimbursed by the feds but they rarely are.
It would be nice if our governments could cooperate for the benefit of the
people of Mexico and here in the United States. Through cooperative effort
hospitals could be built on both sides of the boarder. US citizens would spend
money and buy homes for vacations in Mexico. People in Mexico are needed here
for various forms of employment where they perform valuable service.It should not be difficult to work things out. Mexican Officials need to
recognize that people need income to help their society prosper. Maintain
friendly boarders, Stop drug trafficing, Be fair to American buyers.
NO to universal health care. But please provide it for the south americans and
cut medicaid and medicare to trim the deficit. How stupid is this?
Most people think of Mexico as not having the ability to help it's people, so
they need to come to America for the American people to save them. The news
outlets also support this idea. It is refreshing to read comments from people
who are willing to speak out with knowledgeable info. We, in America are being
lied to and scammed by businesses, news outlets and charities who make a living
off of naive, uneducated American citizens.
Oh my, another pull at the heartstrings article from the DN in support of
illegal immigration. The family in the article did not sneak in across the
border whIch is good. The answer is for private individuals/entities to
voluntarily pay the visa, travel, and medical costs. Taxpayers are already
paying too much in services for illegals.
Not to sound heartless.... especially when little kids are involved... but isn't
it about time thatthe Mexican government take some responsibility for its
own citizens. If indeed they don't havethe facilities in Mexico to tend to
the special needs of these children then they should at least beagreeable
to being billed for these services provided by us or any other country. This
attitude thateverything is free in the United States has to be curbed.
Nothing is free, someone always has to paythe bill, either directly or
indirectly. They encourage their citizens to break our immigration laws. Why? Because they know when they get here and get jobs they will literally
send billions of dollars back to Mexico. It's a giant source of revenue
for Mexico, why would they not encourage it. Yet I never hear any of our
elected officials or illegal immigrant sympathizers get on Mexico's government
to do right by its citizens. We're the bad guys for trying to enforce our
immigration laws. They'llprotest up here against our government when they
should be protesting down there against their government, Sorry, a little
off topic but related.
@tenx Mexico is blessed with vast amounts of oil and certainly could do so if
the will/desire was there to do it.That sums up Mexico no will
including corrupt officials. The Mexican people have plenty of will when it
comes to going north and sucking the life blood out of America but when it comes
to doing what it takes to change their own country they do nothing. Gutty
americans revolted against tyrany but the mexicans do nothing.
Treat them in Mexico.
I have a friend who is retired and living in Lake Chapala area just outside of
Guadalajara. He says his expatriate health care premium is $18 per month and
that the care is quite good, in fact excellent. One thing that might help is
for Mexico to lower its passport fees and subsidise visa costs. $600 is
outrages. Seems to me that Mexico could do more for their citizens who have
problems such as told in this story. Mexico is blessed with vast amounts of oil
and certainly could do so if the will/desire was there to do it.
There is a Shriners hospital in Mexico city.
Good points RichardB, and may I add that maybe the US DOJ and the ATF ought not
to be colluding together and shipping arms to the drug lords and blaming it on
the US 2nd Amendment of the Constitution.
Why don't the foreign nationals use their own health care services in Mexico?
Health care in the United States is not free either, and its time they learn how
to pay for some of their responsibilty. It's about time the border
is showing some security. If the shiners wanted illegal foreign nationals in
their hospitals, they would go get them. The shiners is a US organization, not
an international free care clinic. The only reason the Shriners does see them
when they are here is because they do it through the emergency rooms to make
American taxpayers pay their bills.We cannot have any more sympathy
laws in the US, they are killing the economy.
Why didn't they move the clinic deeper into Mexico (which has fine facilities
away from the border?)Mexico has a private and public health care
system that is on par with the US. Many American doctors train there, and many
Mexican doctors train here. "Public health care is provided to all Mexican
citizens as guaranteed via Article 4 of their Constitution." (Wikipedia,
Mexico's health care system)I think it's great what the Shriners do,
but I would hope they think about moving to countries that don't have the health
care that Mexico has(Nicaragua, Honduras?)