you should all stop bickering over this... it's the young man's choice and he'll
make it based on his own personal relationship with God. What each of you think
iamlds:If you regret the choice to serve a mission, you need to
re-examine your values. Someone who serves a mission and puts his/her own
desires on hold to serve others is someone who will sacrifice for children or a
spouse, and who will make a good husband and father, or wife and mother. But
even better, someone who WANTS to serve others, and feels joy from doing so, is
someone who is on a higher plane, and will be a GREAT husband, father, mother or
wife.When service is a joy based on one's personal value set, there
is no sacrifice involved in helping others. Those who value service have the
potential for almost constant happiness because they can control the very thing
that makes them happy. They can serve others. They are not dependent on
exogenous events, wealth, the actions of others, or even "success" to
be happy. They can engage with others, serve them, and find peace and joy
consistently.So take a deep look at your personal values. I'll bet
with some significant sould searching and effort, you can be much happier. And
have more joy in your relationships and life.
Too funny. Many of you are supporting the decision to go on a mission. Are you
some of the same ones who posted not that long ago supporting Utah Idol's
(Jimmer) decision not to go on a mission - taling about how he served his
mission another way and that was just fine?
Seems like a terrific young man. A young man to be emulated, not judged. I
wish him all the best.
Re: exjet - ummmm...you are partially correct, but not so much. I've spoken to
two apostles personally in the last 5 years and they said every young man should
go, except for exceptions in physical, emotional or mental reasons, and of
course worthiness. It's basically a commandment. you are right there is more to
it than just a black and white thing, but the spirit of the law is not as
liberal as you are making it sound. They should go and so should Heaps (too late
cause he's married) and so should Jimmer. they chose to go against the prophets
council and that's their choice. But it's essentially an order from Heavenly
Father that is handed down through his prophets.
"Every young man should serve a mission? I must say with 4 young men in my
house and being a recent young mens president I have been paying very close
attention to these words when spoke by the phophets and in the last several
years I keep hearing " Every young man should PREPARE to serve a
mission" Completely different statement. Fits the church, as they don't
usally make blanket statements that could be hurtful to someone who can't serve
for mental or phyiscal reasons or perhaps other reasons. How many times have you
heard 11yr olds can go on campouts if their dad goes? Check the book, it does
not say that. How would that work for the one's without a dad. Sorry, just hate
to see qoutes changed to say what you think they mean. fine line between opinion
and judgement, let's let each use his free agency.If someone is really going to
serve a mission I don't think someone expressing a negative opinion is going to
carry more weight than Heavenly Fathers Spirit. Just sayin.
He was on BYU radar but has his top 5 and the Y is no longer in the running.
Has someone told Dave Rose yet? Please I hope he reads this article :)
Why does everyone on these boards think they have to judge and lecture?
Appreciate and cheer the talents and just like God's plan, let each person
choose for him/herself. If you are close to the person you can advise, but if
you are just some person who likes to read the Deseret News, then enjoy the
articles and trust that each person has those they go to for advice and it most
likely isn't someone who comments on the boards!
@mightymite "The characters you refer to in your post in the names of
"Nephi" and "Laban" are fictional."Really?
That's news to me. How do you know that?I'd encourage you to read
Moroni 10:3-5 and then follow through on its counsel. You'll be amazed by what
happens and I guarantee it will change your life :)Anyhoo, the
decision to serve a mission is a very personal one. The prophet has counseled
that every worthy young man should serve a mission. However, people have their
free will and some choose not to go. It's not our place to slander them or
defend them, but rather support and encourage them regardless of the
decision.I chose to serve a mission and, next to getting married to
the most amazing woman in the world, it stands as one of the best choices and
experiences of my life.Dallen's made a great choice and it will
bless him for the rest of his life.If Jabari chooses to serve a
mission, it will be one of the greatest experiences of his life as well. Here's
hoping he's wearing BYU blue if and when he makes that choice :)Go
Once again I find myself asking-- did the writer of this story do any original
research, get any quotes of their own? Why not just read the SI article? Is
this a newspaper or a media clearing house? Seriously questions and you may
also want to ask--- is a name change in order for the DNews?
If you go on a mission for the right reason you will never regret it. If you go
for the wrong reason it will be a miserable experience.
Re: MAFUThe characters you refer to in your post in the names of
"Nephi" and "Laban" are fictional. Yes everyone needs to
check themselves before referencing and chastising from the book you speak of.
SI also features a swimsuit edition. Maybe don't get too wound up on the mormon
Anyone equating the decision that a LDS athlete has to make in regard to
missionary service to the decision that Nephi had to make in regard to Laban
needs to check themselves.
I agree with Denver 2:38 p.m. Please don't impose your feelings on anyone else.
I personally would choose the mission. But I won't speak as one that pretends to
know what God wants him to do. I had a good friend, Peter Vidmar, the Olympic
gymnastic champion, that chose not to go on a mission. I discussed it with him
at the time that he was deciding if he would go on a mission. I know that he
sincerely prayed about his decision, and he discussed his decision with his
leaders, local and General Authorities, and I believe he chose what he felt his
Father in Heaven would want him to do. I know there are some people
out there saying, "But the prophet said, 'every worthy young man should go
on a mission'". Does God give "exemptions" from commandments to
particular individuals in extraordinary situations? Well, I believe that Nephi
was definitely given an exception when he was commanded to slay Laban.
Otherwise, we wouldn't have the book of Mormon. Would any of us have chastised
him after he took off his head? Would you say, "Nephi, you know 'Thou shalt
not kill', how could you?"
Redshirt1701 | 12:44 p.m. July 20, 2011 Deep Space 9, Ut "TO
"I M LDS 2 | 9:33 a.m." so what you are saying is that it is better to
go against the word of the Prophets than it is to obey it. Wow, your screen name
would indicate that you are LDS, but are you LDS in name only?"Hummm. Maybe you should realize that someone is pushing your buttons. I
think the other guy "has your goat." Laugh a little.
To "majmajor | 2:50 p.m." it isn't that "I M LDS 2" had a
bad experience. It is the fact that he is encouraging somebody else to not
serve a mission because of a bad experience.You really should read
your scriptures more. Jesus said that the Gospel is not for the perfect, but
for the imperfect. If "I M LDS 2" is imperfect, then what better
place to learn is there than God's Church on the Earth?
I M LDS 2 and Earnest T. Bass are so far off base that they really do not know
where they are; or where they are going. Just sayin' . . .
Let's not forget that Steve Young's mission was to play football...as is Jake
Heaps...to each his own.
Why are people saying that someone isn't LDS just because he had a bad
experience on a mission? That isn't correct. Your thinking reminds
me of all the uneducated individuals that say that "Mormons aren't
Christians." We are not very tolerant when the shoe is on the other foot,
and we disagree with someone else.Let's be a church or party of one.
If we disagree with someone, we kick them out of the party or church. I don't
agree with anyone on everything. Do you?
I M LDS 2 is right.
Some faithful young LDS men play professional sports on Sunday. Some do not.
Some faithful young LDS men who are qualified in every way choose to go on a
mission. Some do not. When they are faithful, qualified, and prayerful their
choice is theirs to make and is between them and God. It is foolish for me to
substitute my view for theirs. Paul reminded us we are all the Lord's servants,
and therefore it is between the servant and his Lord alone for any judgment to
be made. (Romans 14: 1-10.) I like Paul's recommendation that we all get
"persuaded in our own mind" of what we decide to do, but stop short of
"despising him that" chooses differently. I trust any prayerful
decision is right for the person involved, whether I would have made the same
decision or not.
@i'mlds2,(yeah right), if you weren't so predictable you'd be clever.It's
good to see with the new life you've chosen that you now are a happier and
better member of society.Not everyone is a Jimmer, or an Osmond. Each
person choses. But unless I'm sure I can have the same positive influence from
my "career choice" that these people and many others have had, and
have it last over a life time, then a mission is always going to be the right
decision.Bottom line, I was happy to "lower myself" to do
missionary work, and it continues to bless my life 35 years later....just sayin'
I can't think of a situation in which going on a mission is a "bad
choice."Either IAMLDS2 is trying to get a rise out of people or he's
got some serious issues against the Church. "lower(ing)
yourself to the mediocrity of common missionary work that anybody could do"
is utter nonsense and arrogance, and in your mind characterizes the gifted
athlete as better and above everyone else. I don't care if you are
NBA caliber, the best thing you can do for your own growth and character is to
humble yourself and spend 2 years proclaiming the gospel. It IS hard work and
NO, not anyone can do it.IAMLDS2, I think you are really, really off
target here. Perhaps you're just being provocative?
Good choice Dallen. Plus, in my opinion, you're going to the best mission in
the church. "La Luz del Este." Enjoy Santiago, you will love it!
There is nothing "common" about any missionary service. Honorable
service to our fellow man is uncommon today. If someone regrets his service, he
probably did it for the wrong reason. Service costs time, talents, and
abilities. If someone does it to receive anything other than the pleasure of
serving others, he will always regret the service. Everyone
should serve as he or she is able. If we aren't in the young man's family or
church leadership, we shouldn't pass judgement.
iamlds 2;No; buddy your not LDS. You may be a baptized member but your not
in your heart. If you served a mission and still say what you did, you have some
other problems you need to deal with. If you consider the salvation of souls and
bringing people to the knowledge of Christ and the Atonement
"mediocre" missionary work then you have serious issues. Going on a
mission is 1. for the missionary and it prepares a missionary for life much
better than sports or college. and 2. for the people who will be taught.
I hope Parker is on BYU's radar and they're heavily recruiting him.
Right choice, Dallen. The people of Chile will be greatly blessed by your
decison to serve. The talents and gifts that you have been bestowed with will
allow you to alter and bless the lives of countless Chilean members and
investigators. There is nothing common or mediocre about missionary work.
Anyone that thinks an LDS athletes on-court performance trumps full-time
missionary service has not been tuning into the last couple of Gen Conf's.
Until I see some concrete numbers that show how many BofM's have been
requested/placed, or discussions taught, and convert baptisms recorded due to
Jimmer's on-court performance, then I will continue to hold fast to the
Brethren's counsel that all worthy young men should serve, regardless of
athletic prowess. I'm sure they're a lot of Uncle Rico's out there that think
their 2 years of service destroyed their Big League dreams. A great example to
look at is Brian Banks. A RM of the Seattle, WA Mission, BYU grad, and World
Series Champion with the 2003 Florida Marlins.
TO "I M LDS 2 | 9:33 a.m." so what you are saying is that it is better
to go against the word of the Prophets than it is to obey it. Wow, your screen
name would indicate that you are LDS, but are you LDS in name only?
We can only hope that he will give BYU some consideration!
Bad choice, Dallen. I made the same mistake and lived to regret it. If Jimmer
can be a better missionary on the court than off, the same is true for you on
the field. God gave you those gifts for a reason, and it was not to turn your
back on them and lower yourself to the mediocrity of common missionary work that
anybody could do.I'm just sayin'.
There is hope for the future in young men with this sense of self, character and
realizing there are greater things in life than sports. I am proud of each of
these men and all the others who follow in the same shadow.