@DevilishUteYou know, a lot of people (specifically Ute fans) don't
remember that in 1984 Michigan beat the preseason #1 Miami Hurricanes in the
first game of their season, a Miami Hurrican team that lost by 2 to UCLA in the
Fiesta Bowl and ended up being ranked 13th in the final polls of the season.They also forget that Michigan was ranked in the preseason top 15, and
jumped into the top 5, before they were decimated by injuries and struggled in
the middle part of the year.However, they were fully healthy when
they played BYU in the Holiday Bowl and even with the Cougs coughing the ball up
5 times, BYU came out on top.Ultimately, however, what's important
is that BYU was named the consensus national champions that year by everyone
that mattered...and unfortunately for U, that didn't (and still doesn't) include
Utah fans.But the bitterness you express when you keep bringing up
the Cougs '84 National Championship is priceless, so please...keep it coming
"Jordan Wynn drops back... scans the field for an open receiver...he looks
to his right and see's Van Noy unblocked and charging full steam. He turns to
his left and runs head on into a bruising hit by Kaveinga!" "The ball is loose! The ball is loose!" "Wynn is down and not
getting up!" "Van Noy scoops up the fumble and sprints
across the 50! to the 40, he's at the 30, they wont catch him! now the 15! the 5
and Touchdown, BYU!" "Wow, this is getting ugly for the
Utes. 46-3 and we still have the entire second half to go." "And
Jordan Wynn looks hurt." "Boy, that visitors section is
clearing out quickly!" "Not a lot of red shirts left to witness the
second half of this shellacking" "But the Cougar fans are lovin'
it!" "The ABYSS is going nuts!""And with a 1-2
start for the Utes, with just terrible showings at SC and BYU, I wouldnt really
expect to see a full crowd on game day up at Rice Ecces Stadium in two
phoenix - "Utah can thank BYU 1996 and 2001 for paving the way
for Utah's Fiesta Bowl invite."How so? Please expound. Neither
of those teams were undefeated. They were good teams, don't get me wrong, but I
would like to understand your rationale."btw, BYU 1984 played 4
teams with winning records, including at Air Force(8-4). Utah 2004 only played 3
teams with winning records, none with a record better than 7-5."Michigan, BYU's bowl opponent, wasn't even the best team in their conference.
In fact, they took 6th in the Big 10 that year. 6ht place with a 6-5 record!
BYU squeaked out a win against them, turning the ball over 5 times on their way
to the underwhelming win. They only beat one team that even played in a bowl
(AF) and did not beat a team that finished in the top 20. Facts are facts.
DevilishUteAnd if the rules that existed in 2001 had been in place
in 2004, Utah wouldn't have qualified for a BCS bowl.Utah can thank
BYU 1996 and 2001 for paving the way for Utah's Fiesta Bowl invite.btw, BYU 1984 played 4 teams with winning records, including at Air
Force(8-4). Utah 2004 only played 3 teams with winning records, none with a
record better than 7-5.Utah fans are so hypocrital and myopic when
in comes to whining about BYU, but totally ignoring how weak Utah 2004 schedule
SWAP meat,"Correction, the final BCS standings are used to
determine the two teams that play in the BCS championship game."Actually, the BCS rankings do more than determine who plays in the NC game.
If Notre Dame finishes in the top 8 of the BCS rankings it is assured a BCS game
(an assurance BYU will never get). Also a mid majors eligibility to participate
in a BCS game is determined by the BCS rankings. I should have been clearer
with you in my earlier post, especially since BYU has never even sniffed at a
BCS game so I doubt you know how the system works.If the BCS
rankings would have been in place in 1984, BYU wouldn't have been selected for
the BCS NC game. That year, they played one of Michigans worst bowl eligible
teams EVER. What's worse, the BCS came about because of 1984.
@ Hedgie and Howard SIts amazing how people only hear or read what they
want to. No matter how many times its explained, or even what is actually said
in the articles you will still interpret it wrong since you can't comprehend
logic.... BYU coaches, players, Admins, never have said they WILL win a NC.
Their goal is to obtain that coveted trophy again at some point, they have
clearly stated it will be difficult, with no time frame on when they may be
lucky enough to win it, but they do set their goals high to obtain it. Its
funny to hear you hedgie that your a ND fan, if you were a true fan you would
know that its ND's goal to "win" the NC every year as well. They state
it in articles, tv broadcasts etc.. in fact on Insight both Holmoe and ND AD
Jack Swarbrick were on and Jack said without hesitation its ND's goal every
year to win the NC. Now as a ND fan, you should know they are always playing
for it, just as every other school is as well. Do you get on their articles and
"And Jordan Wynn is "scrambling" again!" "This time
it's Uona Kav-e-inga who takes him down for a 12 yard loss!" "Jordan
Wynn is looking rattled out there!"I am really looking forward
to this years rivalry game.
So excited for this season just to watch Uona play! Glad he's here at BYU. I'm
amazed at the talent in the linebacking corp. This is going to be a lights out
"The final BCS rankings are used to determine what teams play in what
bowls."Correction, the final BCS standings are used to
determine the two teams that play in the BCS championship game. Since the Utes
finished 6th in 2004 and 2008, that proves they weren't even close to finishing
in the Top 2, the only requirement for playing in the BCS championship game.btw, the official BCS poll for final ranking is the Coaches poll, which
has never ranked the Utes higher than 4th. It's funny how Utah fans never cite
that poll when talking about their final rankings in 2004 and 2008.
@little howie"All Cougars need to remember about 2010 is a
whipping at the hands of Utah State"It's history, no one cares
now, a coach was fired and the team started winning after that. Any team can
have an off game AND as you well know any team can be lucky like the Utes were
last year against AFA, SDSU, and BYU."failed field goal
execution against Utah... Dumb luck and some stupid coaching again. The
offensive blunderer was sent packing along with his defensive buddy. Lessons
learned."a glorious victory against pathetic competition in the
New Mexico bowl."Well we won our bowl game and really don't
care what U think about it.'That's the difference, BYU can move on,
plenty of optimism, and definitely a better team this fall to look forward to.
Utes got so much to prove and after last year's devasting losses to
big programs it looks very doubtful that they will have a 'cupcake walk' of a
season going into a supposedly stronger conference. Utes will probably crack
under the pressure and the offense will go nowhere.I heard Duracells
are the best battery for your AM radio, need a coupon?
These were Utah's goals before the 2008 season per the Undefeated dvd
documentary:1. Mountain West Conference Champions2. Play in a
BCS Bowl Game3. Go Undefeated4. Have great team unity5. Beat
the TDS6. Be ready to play every week... No letdown7. Beat
Michigan8. No off field issues9. Extend bowl winning streakThey succeeded in all of these goals. I would imagine this years list of
goals is similar.
"Well, if they did, then nobody knew about it. The fans didn't say anything
about it, the coaching staff never said anything about it, the u never said
anything about it. You don't have to print shirts to have a goal. BTW, there is
another quote that goes, "A goal not written, is only a wish". I am sorry that you cannot make sense of logic."The
irony is there was no logic to your first post and your second post displayed
even less of it.Just because they did not shout from the mountain
tops what their goals were does not mean that they did not have goals. Who are
you to say that they had no goals because the goals weren't made public? I
doubt that you would have known the goals even if they made them public, given
your bias. The public does not need to know what team goals are. I
believe it is best left in the family. Every team aspires to win every game and
to be national champs. It's implied. Don't you compete to win?You
shouldn't need to spout off to the public the obvious.
@ DevilishUte:"How do you know what Utah's team goals were in
2004 and 2008? Just because Utah didn't print shirts does not mean they did not
have lofty goals. Your comment makes no sense."Well, if they
did, then nobody knew about it. The fans didn't say anything about it, the
coaching staff never said anything about it, the u never said anything about it.
You don't have to print shirts to have a goal. BTW, there is another quote that
goes, "A goal not written, is only a wish". I am sorry
that you cannot make sense of logic.
Swoop.great spin. The "Final" BCS standings come out
before the actual BCS games are played. Its ok, go back, google what Utah's
final rankins were AFTER the bowl games. Don't worry about it, take
your lumps on this one, apologize for your actions, then come on back.
"Goals are based on what you can control and the only thing any team can
control is winning the next game."You can't control a bad call
by a ref in a single game that can decide the outcome; but your goal is to win
the game. You can say that about any goal you set as a football team. Injuries,
weather, refs, etc. Lots of things are out of your control. Politics even come
into play when trying to make it to a BCS bowl. You still make the goal.
"You can say what you want about having an undefeated season or two, but
the goal of winning a NC was not there."How do you know what
Utah's team goals were in 2004 and 2008? Just because Utah didn't print shirts
does not mean they did not have lofty goals. Your comment makes no sense. SWAP"they finished 6th in the final BCS standings both
years."All I can say is that is a lazy post. The final BCS
rankings are used to determine what teams play in what bowls. The BCS does not
issue a BCS standings poll after bowl games are played. In other words, the
final BCS standings you refer to are not really final. The AP DOES
issue a poll after the games and Utah finished 2nd there in 2008 and 4th in 2004
(that year Auburn and USC finished undefeated and Oklahoma's only loss was to
USC). Sure, they didn't win in 2008, BUT they certainly sniffed at a
championship that year, garnering 16 1st place votes.
"Mr. Wynn meet Mr. Kaveinga!"And you already know Mr. Van
Noy! as well as Mr. Pendelton!
SwoopYour quote isn't even close to what I said.I have
never said that Utah should have been national champs twice in this decade.My point was how ludicrous to set a public goal of a NC.Even
when you win there are just too many uncontrollable variables, including
politics, that go into winning a NC.Goals are based on what you can
control and the only thing any team can control is winning the next game.Beyond that no team can possibly control all the variables that result
in a NC.
SwoopEasy on the National Championship stuff. The Utes had top notch
teams and exceptional seasons those years. I found it interesting to read the
Wikipedia page on NCAA football national champion. I came away with a better
understanding of BYU's '84 run, and the Ute's '08 run. Well worth a 10 minute
@SwoopBig difference between should and would. Wyoming could say
they should. The utes played an easy schedule and were underestimated against
I'm a BYU fan and have no problem with a publicly stated goal of a national
championship. I hope that someday my Cougars will achieve it again!However, I think we would be pretty naive to believe that Utah doesn't also
share this goal (even though they don't publicize it). The fact that Kyle
Whittingham has been so successful is evidence of the high goals he has set for
his program. All successful programs have high goals. Some just differ in their
approach to these goals relative to the media. Neither is wrong - just
different!Looking forward to seeing Kaveinga in action!
"Utes should have won 2 national championships in the last decade and would
have except for politics?"The Utes never came close to even
sniffing a national championship in 2004 or 2008 -- they finished 6th in the
final BCS standings both years.
PAC-12 Ivy "Some people just feel more comfortable in a less
competitive situation."And some people can't avoid the
inevitable:Mr. Wynn meet Mr. Kaveinga!It'll be
interesting to see how competitive Mr. Wynn is after his first encounter with
Mr. Kaveinga.Can't wait until September 17th to see these two
Uona is hungry to play some football. We are getting very close to camp time and
Mississippi. Can't wait. This season has the potential to be very special.
@ Hedgehog, Howard S, et al:Someone once said, "The problem of
not having a goal is that you could spend your whole life running up and down
the field and never scoring."That pretty much defines the u. If
you don't have a goal, you will never achieve. You can say what you want about
having an undefeated season or two, but the goal of winning a NC was not there.
If it was, then you would be in the same boat as BYU and others who have a goal,
but fall a bit short. Nothing to be ashamed of by the way. At least the Y has
the NC, no matter how long ago it was. But look how chaotic it looks not to have
that goal of a NC and then to have an undefeated season. It looks as if you
don't know which direction to go!I'll take the team that has a goal
and is not afraid to announce what it is.
I love it. Utes should have won 2 national championships in the last decade and
would have except for politics? That is the new excuse now for not having one?
Politics? That is great.
It's good to see Uona happy and playing again. I am also glad that he didn't
"blow both ACLs" as was offered when he changed from BYU to USC a few
years ago on the main BYU fan website.
As a Ute fan I can say that Hedgehog doesn't represent all Utes. In fact he
represents none of the true Ute fans. He is an outcast. I think Cougar fans
know this but I wanted to go on record as saying so.
Howard remind us again how utah did in the Vegas Bowl? Or you "still
haven't found what your looking for," especially on a BYU article?
hedgehog"I'm a ND season ticket holder so yes...I've been to Mecca to
many times to count."Interesting . . . I've looked at many ND
articles yesterday and today, and there's not a single comment from hh. It may be time for you to realize you are really an obsessed Cougar Fan
and join Cougar Nation. Season tickets are now on sale.
sammyg"I'm having a hard time remembering 2010, can you help
me?"*********All Cougars need to remember about 2010 is a
whipping at the hands of Utah State, failed field goal execution against Utah,
and a glorious victory against pathetic competition in the New Mexico bowl.
@little howieI'm having a hard time remembering 2010, can you help
me? What was all that hype from around games 3-8 last year. Was NCute2010 your
other name?Yeah, all of you utesies were going for 'it' right? All
the smack about BYU losing a few games and you guys were going for the 'perfect'
season. ESPN rolled into town before 'the most historic game ever played in
RES'. Whipped into a frenzy, all of U, and then... the egg was laid
on nat'l tv.Then the next week... another one... on nat'l tvAnd then the season ends with U guys losing your 9 game bowl streak at
the Las Vegas Bowl of all places... an embarrassing 3-26... on nat'l tv.In the meantime BYU picks itself up, redirects its efforts and recovers
and ends the season on high note. It's just amazing the differences in teams,
fan attitude and of course, the legacy and cache.Your team certainly
had a memorable season. 10-3, the year of the cupcakes and an abundance of luck.
It won't work this fall. Go get some batteries for your radio. You'll need 'em.
truecoug1"What is your expectation, Howard? What are K Whit's
goals?"****************My goal for Utah, and I believe
Kyle's goal for Utah is to win the next game.Beyond winning, there
are many uncontrollable variables, including politics, involved in winning a
national championship. If this were not the case Utah may have had two national
championships in the last decade. Goals are set based on factors
you can control, not on factors and variables that you can't control. The only
factor any team can control is to win the next game.If a team
consistently achieves the goal of winning the next game everything else will
take care of itself.Oh, and btw... FanofBYU is a wise Cougar...
@Howard S.And yet...still no NC for the Utes. Kind of ironic, don't
you think?I was all for Bronco starting the "Quest for
Perfection" campaign...who cares that we fell short? We were working
towards something that U managed to achieve. Congratulations. But I'd prefer
my coach to make it clear what we're working towards, because it means there's
an expectation. So I'm all for Bronco announcing the goal of winning a national
championship. With studs like Uona Kaveinga, that goal can become a reality.
Sometimes you fall short...and that's ok. You pick yourself up and
move forward. Announcing the goal provides added pressure, but added unity.
The Cougar faithful are all in it together.What is your expectation,
Howard? What are K Whit's goals? Are they to win the PAC 12 conference and win
a national title? Or do you think he has a goal to just not finish last in the
PAC?Guess we'll never know...however, I find it interesting that U
fans will vaunt their BCS wins and never mention anything about winning a
national championship...guess that's not the goal up on the hill.Go
Howard S"Sometimes team goals are best left in the family.Like when BYU announced the Quest for Perfection... and Utah achieved
it.Utah had the goal... they just prefered to achieve it and not
talk about it."I agree with your assessment. It's okay for both
BYU and Utah to have big goals, but keep it in the family as Howard says. No
need to give your opponent any more motivation. It also then becomes the
equivalent of "Speak softly, but carry a big stick."
truecoug1Sometimes team goals are best left in the family.Like when BYU announced the Quest for Perfection... and Utah achieved it.Utah had the goal... they just prefered to achieve it and not talk about
Can't wait to see Turbin run right through the front line and the see how silly
he makes the defensive backfield look. Count on it!
Glad that Uona will be in Cougar blue this fall, cant wait to see what he brings
to the Defense. He should quickly become a quality leader and great player in
the middle of the defense.
@Howard S.And Utah has never won a National Championship...and they
never talk about it.BYU talks about it...and we have one.Interesting that when you set goals, and work hard enough, you can achieve
goals that before seemed impossible.But as I said before, I don't
know if BYU will ever win another NC...what I DO know is that having the goal to
win one will help the young men and coaches of the football team to push
themselves, and stretch themselves, beyond what they would have without the
goal."The final destination is often not as important as the
journey taken to get there."Should be a fun season...buckle
Riverton CougarThe calculator analogy was great!
truecoug1"That's probably the reason that Coach Kelly and Notre
Dame haven't won a National Championship since '88 :)"**********Well... BYU hasn't won a national championship since 1984 and they talk
about talk about winning one every year.Sooooo... I guess talking
about it really isn't working too well either.
Great article. Thanks for the inside look at Uona. Can't wait to see what this
kid can do. From the rumblings we get here and there from inside summer
workouts, this could shape up to be quite the year for BYU.Uona,
welcome home brother. Enjoy your time at BYU!!!
BYU would go undefeated if they got all of the best talent in the Church. They
don't at the moment but you are going to see more and more really talented non
Utah players helping BYU win more games.The depth at linebacker can
be repeated at other positions with the right recruiting available. In recent years BYU has won with a handful of players who went on to the NFL
and a lot of decent athletes who worked and played hard. That is going to change
to a culture of more NFL types who work and play hard.BSU is another
team that gets the most out of their average players (mostly PAC rejects).
According to hedgehog, a player fourth on the roster on a school like USC would
instantly be the best player on a team like BYU. Obviously the difference in
talent is like the difference in computing power in a TI-89 graphing calculator
and a tiny calculator bought at the dollar store. Yet, with all this talent USC
struggles to get 10 wins, which BYU does consistently almost every year.So, imagine if BYU had USC's roster. By way of hedgehog's analysis of
the talent difference, USC's players would give BYU at least an extra 2 or 3
wins per season, meaning they would go undefeated every single year. Of course,
BYU would win another national championship after 4 or 5 undefeated seasons in a
row (if not sooner).Thanks for the complement on BYU's coaching
@hedgehog "you still never hear Coach Kelly and team media
"questing" for National championships. I guess experience teaches you
that."That's probably the reason that Coach Kelly and Notre
Dame haven't won a National Championship since '88 :)That's also
presumably the same reason that the Utes haven't won a National Championship
since...oh yeah, they've never won a NC.I, for one, am glad that the
Cougs (and Bronco) have set their sights on the biggest prize in college
football. Will BYU win another national championship? I don't know...what I do
know is that having the goal to win one will help the football players and
coaches progress through hard work and dedication. As someone once
said "The final destination is often not as important as the journey taken
to get there." I'm looking forward to that journey.Go Cougars!
Some people just feel more comfortable in a less competitive situation.BYU seems like a good fit for Kaveinga.
HHI just can't seem to remember anyone projecting a national
championship for the Y, just you. You and bcs, you just can't brag enough about
bcs, coattails, 4th in pac10 south. I wouldn't be spouting too much.This young man has made a decision he felt he wanted to do. I admire him, he
has stood up and been a man about it. Good luck to him.
"You really should make your pilgrimage to Mecca"GAcouger,I'm a ND season ticket holder so yes...I've been to Mecca
to many times to count. Funny thing, with all those NC trophys and individual
awards...you still never hear Coach Kelly and team media "questing"
for National championships. I guess experience teaches you that.
Hedge, no one has to "secretly think Maxie was right." You prove it
about yourself with every post.Do all the classy Ute fans a favor
and get off the threads. You embarrass them.
Hedgie, have you seen BYU's consensus National Championship trophy yet? Man,it
is amazing!!! You really should make your pilgrimage to Mecca, uh, I mean Provo,
and take a look. Just be sure to wipe the nose prints and tears off the glass
before you leave.
Hedge:As of now, ESPN over rules the NFL.
Don't want to wish my life away, but am looking forward to Sept 3 and hoping the
time passes quickly.
Sounds like a great pickup for the cougars, let's see how he fits in to BYU's
defensive scheme. @ Portland Trail BlazersI think it's
ironic that you mock the Ute "fans" who troll on BYU articles even
though your post focuses mostly on the antagonistic people that most real Utes
fans can't stand either. Just sayin...
Yep, Kaveinga was stuck at fourth on the linebackers depth chart behind Ray
Maualuga, Brian Cushing, and Clay Matthews. All three of those guys are now
All-Pro linebackers in the NFL. Kaveinga must be terrible if he can't step in
and start as a freshman over the senior starter and All-American, future NFL
star, Maualuga. (rolling eyes)
I think this group has the potential to be the best LB corp in the history of
BYU. Not one of the best - but the best.We've had some great LB
performers in the past, but when you look at the starters and the two deep
roster; I don't think we've ever had eight LBs of this quality.
Harvey played mostly special teams as a Freshman. He did get in a few downs
making one 3 tackles, one for a 4 yd loss. He was projected as 2nd string middle
linebacker his sophmore year. Don't know if he would have started his Jr. or Sr.
year. Nobody on these posts knows. To claim that you do pegs you as a Yner with
no credibility. He should be an excellent player for BYU. I can't
wait to see all the linebackers this Fall. They should be very good.
"If this statements true, he'd be the best defensive player in the state of
Utah.--The next ten best will also come from BYU"worf,Don't tell me, tell the NFL. For Whatever reason the beg to differ.
Thanks for the article BCG. May the transfers to bYu continue. Play your
1st 2 years @ the University that is "Bush(Reggie)League". Transfer to
a football school for your Undergraduate Degree.
Hedgesmog:"I have no quesion Uono will be the best player on
the ByU defense"If this statements true, he'd be the best
defensive player in the state of Utah.--The next ten best will also come from
Remind me how many years does he have with the Cougars?
Chris Bryant,Me thinks you're a kewg in Ute's clothing. I suspect
you have a "quest" T-shirt and secretly think Maxie was right. Do all
the Ute fans a favor and get off the fence.
Thank you Mr Gurney. I have been using the phrase "chomping" at the
bit incorrectly and never had occasion to research the proper phrase.I researched Uona when he transferred. He was on track to take over the
starting spot at USC. As a senior he would have started at either university. He
would have had more playing time as an underclassman at BYU, but as a senior he
was starting in either program. Great to see this kid committed to the program.
I would have hated to see him run into problems as an underclassman because he
came to BYU to please his parents. Look forward to watching him beat up some
quartebacks this year.
Stud! Can't wait to see this guy all over the field with reckless abandon, like
the rest of Bronco's defenses have done with The Coach at the helm!
Cant wait to see how many times Uona, JP and KVN get ahold of Jordan Wynn on the
17th. Since Utah has no run game, JW will be dropping back for the
pass quite regularly and quite regularly he will be getting dropped for a loss.
Its going to be a very frustrating day for Norm Chow and the Utah offense.No way the Utes put up more than 10 points on BYU.Mark. It.
HH commented.I predict that BYU "fans" will not be able to
leave him alone. They will feed the troll and this discussion will instantly
sidetrack into a back and forth chest thumping contest...........
Oh hedgie,Just couldn't stay away could you.So this time
it's he's no good, too far down on the depth chart and went somewhere to play,
is it?It is so funny that you want objectivity from the writer, yet
can offer none of your own.How about this novel concept. You find
something you like about BYU and you comment on that. No hyperbole, no sarcasm,
you try to give us something that shows you can write objectively.Wanna play?
Gurney,It would help your creditablity if you told the
"story" from all sides. One could easly have written the story as a
player stuck so deep down on the depth chart at USC (BCS team) that he started
looking at programs he could find playing time.I have no quesion
Uono will be the best player on the ByU defense.
Awesome! Glad to see him in Cougar blue.But wait! I thought Utes
'fans' said that stuff like this would never happen at BYU... a Pac 10.2
football player coming to BYU? I'm just confused because they said stuff like
this would never happen...GO COUGARS!
Someone should forward this article to Manti Teo.
Great write up. I'm really looking forward to watching Uona crack some heads,
starting in about 47 days' time. Shades of Cameron Jensen's senior season, I
Now i feel even better about the defense.Go Cougars!
Looking forward to watching Kaveinga excel on and off the field!Go
Welcome home Uona. Welcome Home.We look forward to you hitting
hard, making god decisions, and playing your best.