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He invites Utah Mormons to join the party

Published: Saturday, July 16 2011 5:55 p.m. MDT

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AlanSutton
Salt Lake City, UT

As a practicing member of the LDS Church, I am flattered to know the Utah Democratic Party considers me a "tremendous resource."

But I will continue to shun it until it lets people who oppose homosexual marriage, abortion on demand, and unbridled spending inside its so-called "big tent."

oxymoron
Cedar City, UT

Alan, you don't know Utah democrats very well... there are several LDS Democrats / fiscally and socially conservative Democrats who are already members of that big tent:

- Senator Pat Jones, Senator Karen Morgan, Former Rep. Trisha Beck, Representative Marie Poulson, Representative Tim Cosgrove, to name a few ... not to mention the hundreds of other voting LDS Democrats who live in this state.

The thing about your comment just proves to me that people don't go very far to look into things they don't know anything about. The State Utah Democratic party platform does not encourage or endorse any of the things you're referring to, but you wouldn't know that if you haven't taken the time to get to know us.

Doengelman
St. George, UT

In reference to Alan's post...the big tent means that you are welcome to enter and support the issues of clean air and water for Utah, that all people should have access to health care as well as other concepts on which we may agree. As a delegate to the Convention, I strive to find areas where we agree and can work toward. Mr. Dabakis realizes that folks often think we are miles apart, when in reality we probably agree on at least 75% of important issues; please consider this an invitation to join in a dialogue with others.

George
Bronx, NY

@Alan
you are welcome in the tent believe it or no there are others that agree with you on those issues, but understand it is not the republican party where such views are just accepted out of hand and held over candidates heads like a sword. If you think such issues should be a litanies test for any candidate you may do better with the republicans.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I like the Democrats' "big tent" analogy.

It reminds me of a circus, which also has many acts, some believable and others not. And circuses are full of clowns.

I like circuses!

Democrats, however, tend to believe in such fantasies as big government being the solution to everything; more taxing and more spending; less freedom- personal or economic (unless it involves gays). Democrats also tend to believe in gun control, and a weak national defense.

Yes, I really do think I like circuses better than Democrats.

But both are fun to watch!

Congratulations ot Dabakis, who really does seem to be a nice guy.

geedub
Santee, CA

No self-respecting Mormon would should ever be a member of the Democratic Party.

Gandalf
Salt Lake City, UT

Alan, you make me laugh. Barack Obama opposes gay marriage. There are many pro-life Democrats. In addition, the pro-choice position is much more compatible with the positions of most conservatives that government should get out of people's personal lives. But perhaps the biggest laugher of all is the idea that it's the Democrats who are unbridled spenders.

Have you forgotten that it was Republican George W. Bush who passed a completely unfunded prescription drug Medicare program costing close to a trillion dollars? VP Cheney said at the time that "deficits don't matter." How about two wars started without any attempt to fund the cost of them? How about tax cuts regardless of those wars and new unfunded social programs? Which President ran a surplus for three straight years? That's right, Democrat Bill Clinton.

Democrats are the big spenders? Yea, and I'm Santa Claus.

Mike in Texas
Allen, TX

As usual, right wing comments to this article misrepresent the political views of the majority of Democrats, If you want to see who really favors "big" government take a look at the record of the Bush Administration. I think that they were Republicans, were they not? Democrats believe in effective and freely elected government. Republicans work to suppress the vote and and "starve the beast". Republicans want a goverment that only serves the interests of big business and the wealthy. Because most voters are neither wealthy nor CEO's, the Republican party promotes and hides behind socially provacative wedge issues as a means to fog up what is really politically important. Sadly, it seems to work all to well, especially in Utah. The Democratic Party should achieve a more prominant place in Utah politics if for nothing more than to check the reactionary excesses of todays ultra- conservatives. As a political independant, I hope Utah Democrats grow in strength and become a more effective check against the ultra-right wing Republican crazys now dominating the political discourse in Utah and around the nation.

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

As a conservative member of the LDS church I feel welcome in the Democratic Party where I don't always agree, but where we can disagree without being disagreeable. I do not feel welcome in the Republican Party were I must toe the party line or be dismissed, where there is no room for diverse opinions.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Oxymoron,
"not to mention the hundreds of other voting LDS Democrats who live in this state." out of the 3 million who live here? hundreds out of three million?

fair, honest, decent people do not cheer a convicted felon (DeChristopher)

homosexual marriage and abortion on demand are inconsistent with LDS theology.

"He is is idle shall not eat the bread nor wear the garment of the laborer" The Dem welfare state incompatible with LDS theology.

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

So....after having driven the LDS people out of their party for many years, now they want us back. I think you're a day late and a dollar short. Most LDS people have been made so uncomfortable in the Democrat Party, they fled many years ago. The Dems have no one to blame but themselves

No matter what claims the state party makes, the fact is, the national Democrat Party has gone so far to the left, that most Mormons just flat out can't be part of it. The LDS people are taught to believe in personal responsibility, taking care of themselves, traditional marriage, high moral values, right to life, free markets, freedom and opportunity, etc., etc. The Dems support dependence on government programs, gay marriage, abortion rights, socialized medicine and on and on. Mormons just can go along.

In order to be Democrats, Mormons must adopt two competing philosophies. At this time in the world, the Republican Party (although not perfect) is much more aligned with LDS beliefs. Most Mormons easily discern this. Unfortunately, a few still don't get it.

EJM
Herriman, UT

DN subscriber: I am an independent who usually votes Democrat in Utah. I don't agree with some of the views of Democrats and Republicans but I see them, more than Republicans, as being a party of inclusivity in Utah. Please note I am not talking about the national party but the state and local party. I voted for McCain in 2008 but could never vote for Mike Lee. I could vote for him because he is willing to work across party lines, understanding that half a loaf is better than no loaf at all.

What our country needs to understand right now is that both parties (and their representatives voted in by use over the last century) put us into our current economic situation. It can be fixed over the longer term but if our representatives do not reach a compromise we will see a domino effect worldwide that will have devastating effects on our economy. So raise the debt ceiling and make cuts in federal programs, go back to the tax rates in place before Pres. Bush and let's restore some fiscal sanity.

Winglish
Lehi, UT

geedub, President James E. Faust, Second Counselor in the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints, was the Democratic Party Chairperson in Utah for years. He served as a House Representative as a Democrat.

President Faust once said, "It is in the interest of the Church to have a two-party system . . . . Both locally and nationally, the interest of the Church and its members are served when we have two good men or women running on each ticket, and then no matter who is elected, we win."

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

Dear Mike in Texas: I love the way Dems always reference George Bush. The Republican Party is NOT George Bush. LDS and Republicans believe in traditional and conservative values--not individuals. What Bush did or didn't do is largely irrelevant to that debate.

No one, who is not in denial, could possibly think that the Democrat Party as it stands today is in any way compatible with LDS principles in general. Ah, but you say that the Democrats are more Christian. They want to help people. Republicans only want to starve poor people and let old people eat dog food. Everyone should be forced to contribute to these liberal causes because their heart is in the right place.

First, forcing others to do "right" is Satan's way. LDS are taught that we should do good based on our own FREE AGENCY--not through force. Second, these programs don't work, have never worked, destroy lives and are bankrupting us. That's against LDS principles.

Official statements from the Church over the years, make it clear that we are NEVER to accept government help. That is a violation of the admonition to be self sufficient. Another Democrat priniciple bites the dust.

MJF
Somewhere in Time, UT

The fact that Dabakis is "openly gay" and elected to chair the Democrat Party says it all. Very few Mormons will join their party and the Dems STILL don't get it.

FDRfan
Sugar City, ID

"Our state is not the Republican Party. People are looking for real life answers to problems," he said. "I believe to my core, Democrats can win in Utah. I believe that we can win, and I believe that we will win. Our party is and must be the party of the big tent."

I hope you are right but its an uphill battle. For some reason we Democrats are perceived in Utah and Idaho as being less patriotic and less faithful. I absolutely do not see how that perception could be sustained by reading the Book of Mormon nor looking at facts. I finally decided to stand up and not slink into a corner and wonder why. But you have a better chance in Utah than in eastern Idaho. Groeberg's father may have been the last Idaho bred Democrat.

KJB1
Eugene, OR

Cats,

"Official statements from the Church over the years, make it clear that we are NEVER to accept government help."

What are you talking about? I've known multiple members who delivered their babies thanks to the Oregon Health Plan and fed them thanks to WIC. I also know members who receive government assistance to help with housing and Pell Grants to help pay for college. All of this is done with full knowledge of their bishops and they're all members in good standing. You seem to be doing what so many members do: confusing their own right-wing dogma with Church policy.

And based on your logic, why do we even enforce laws at all? Isn't that "forcing" people to do the right thing?

isrred
Logan, UT

"The fact that Dabakis is "openly gay" and elected to chair the Democrat Party says it all. Very few Mormons will join their party and the Dems STILL don't get it."

This is a saddening post and one that makes all LDS people look bad. The blind rejection of someone based solely on their sexual orientation is entirely COUNTER to what the Church teaches.

And the sad irony for you is that Dabakis actually has VERY good and close relationships and personal friendships with LDS leaders and General Authorities.

bgl
Santa Monica, CA

I predict a wave of Mormon-movement to the Big D side. Mormons are generally good, smart and brave people and the extreme ends of the Republican party (an end that becomes wider every day, it seems) are filled with hateful, sheepish and fearful people. And remember this about those people, my Mormon friends--they DO NOT like you and they have done their best to make that clear. This boggles my mind. It's like the ugliest girl in school has let the word out that she doesn't want to date you and you're still trying to win her affections.
In my tent, I can argue with you all day on any issue you choose (gay marriage, big govt, education, right to life, Darwinism, climate change)---agree or disagree and still respect you and your right to hold that opinion. If you honestly feel that Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh and your Tea Party brotherhood will do the same--you are probably wading into that extreme end I mentioned.

Lonster
Sandy, UT

To "geedub": You just insulted those apostles and seventies, both current and past, who are Democrats. Now tell us all how you reconcile that...

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