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Published: Sunday, July 17 2011 5:00 a.m. MDT

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Hellooo
Salt Lake City, UT

Great article. Thanks

Midvaliean
MIDVALE, UT

From the Article
"In The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, we believe in the centrality of chastity and fidelity before and after marriage. We reject the use of alcohol, tobacco and drugs. We encourage forgiveness when offended and reject seeking revenge. We denounce selfishness and encourage selflessness and the list goes on.

Ironically, all of these beliefs were central to Jesus Christs teachings when he walked the Earth"

In all of the things she has listed, Forgiveness is really the only one I can specifically remember Jesus really going on about. It was the theme of the New Testament. The other are contrived by men. They might be a good idea, but lets not say Jesus denounced tobacco and alcohol, as he didn't.

Ronnie Bray
Mesa, AZ

To gain fuller understanding of Mill's contribution in '
On Liberty' it is essential to understand the state of England, particularly the working class in the immediate post-Industrial Revolution period, and more particularly the enslaved workforce. Without that background, very little of what Mill said will make the sense it ought. He was writing about very specific conditions in a very specific place, and ought not to be used to direct the traffic in today's world.

Having said that, it is true that Mill expounded some principles of liberty that are consonant with the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but it is a struggle to direct his intentions in the tract to the economic conditions at present prevailing in England or the USA.

Jesus gave us the Golden Rule and that, besides the parable of sheep and goats in Matthew 25, are the best societal models available to us until a new societal model is imposed by Deity.

Midvaliean
MIDVALE, UT

From the Article
"In The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, we believe in the centrality of chastity and fidelity before and after marriage. We reject the use of alcohol, tobacco and drugs. We encourage forgiveness when offended and reject seeking revenge. We denounce selfishness and encourage selflessness and the list goes on.

Ironically, all of these beliefs were central to Jesus Christs teachings when he walked the Earth"

In all of the things she has listed, Forgiveness is really the only one I can specifically remember Jesus really going on about. It was the theme of the New Testament. The other are contrived by men. They might be a good idea, but lets not say Jesus denounced tobacco and alcohol, as he didn't.

Hellooo
Salt Lake City, UT

Really interesting to know that Jesus never taught about selflishness or selflessness, only forgiveness- Thanks Midvaliean for the scriptural insight. Though wasn't there something about seek you first the Kingdome of God and all righteousness? Obiviously, those men again.

Gramajane
OAKLEY, ID

Christ taught principles that cover things that people didn't have yet -- like this principle that covers drugs and tobacco and I feel even modest clothing and tatooes and body piercings etc

1 Cor 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Also I understand that the miracle at the wedding was NEW wine ( fresh grape juice- MORE higly prized than the alcoholic stuff) and " wine bibbers" are spoken against etc. 

1 Tim 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

Matt 24:49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

when a teenager claimed to me there was nothing inappropriate about her clothing choices that had so little covering her body
that the view was enough to cause a nursing baby to believe it was about to be offered dinner -- as "Jesus didn't say much
mention of modesty in clothing" --- I asked her to think how women dressed in his day! We must apply His principles.

donn
layton, UT

John Stuart Mill,"What little recognition the idea of obligation to the public obtains in modern morality is derived from Greek and Roman sources, not from Christian; as, even in the morality of private life, whatever exists of magnanimity, high-mindeness, personal dignity, even the sense of honor, is derived from the purely human, not the religious part of our education. "On Liberty" (1859)

Criticism of Mill. He held that the majority could legitimately interfere in the affairs of the minority when minority behavior proved harmful to the fabric of society. But this raises the problem: How can we tell when such behavior will or will not be harmful? He was not fond of Christianity, I don't know if he wAS aware of Mormonism.

Utilitarians,John Stewart Mill, as Charles Darwin were atheists. J.S. Mill said,Miracles have no claim whatever to the character of historical facts and are wholly invalid as evidence of any revelation.

Gramajane
OAKLEY, ID

How can we know that an action is not good for society?? Use reason!
--- We can pretty well know that someone found with containers of concentrated epidemic sneaking around a city water supply is up to no good,
--- BUT the govt. Forbidding a farmer from selling milk from his own cows who have not been given hormones
to unnaturally increase milk production, nor the mega antibiotics needed to fight the udder infections THAT causes -- when the buyers KNOW this about his milk and WANT this milk -- they should get the choice. 
--- in liberty/freedom I believe that your freedom to swing your arms around does not extend to close proximity with others faces.
--- ones freedom to flout traditional religious morality to partner with whatever sex partner (s) one desires, I believe should not be the business of the govt to insist ANY church must marry them if they are not living in accordance with that churches teachings.  
NOR should same sex partners get tax breaks meant to support the basic family unit in producing and raising the next generation of hopefully hard working responsible citizens that is the basis of a growing nation.    

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

Gramajane - The scripture you quoted "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?" could be applied to anything we do or eat or drink. Your interpretation of it does not equal scripture. Christ never mentions that you cannot drink alcohol or use tobacco. That is what Midvaliean was pointing out, and it is true. We can all bend and twist the scriptures to mean what we want them to mean, but that doesn't make it true. Also when you say fresh grape juice over the alcoholic stuff, there is no way to tell what he drank, clearly alcohol is not bad in small quantities. It is bad in large quantities. But heck, if Christ drank it, isn't it reasonable that we can drink it too?

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