"Some U trolls like to brag about their record against AQ conference teams,
but their recent games include a lot of teams like Louisville (2X) and Iowa St.
So Miss is at a much better team than these type of programs"kewgfantex,Hmmmm, were to start.Lousiville be So. Miss
in it's bowl game last yearIowa st. beat down Texas (at Texas) last
year.You have zero creditability.
I believe we'll continue to see more additions like this, to fill up the middle
part of our schedule. By 2013 or 2014, I think we'll have a schedule that is
comparable to AQ conferences, excluding the SEC.I'd much rather play
a solid C-USA opponent like So Miss or UCF than one of the bottom teams in an AQ
conference like Washington St or Colorado.Some U trolls like to brag
about their record against AQ conference teams, but their recent games include a
lot of teams like Louisville (2X) and Iowa St. So Miss is at a much better team
than these type of programs. Most preseason polls have So Miss in
the 40 - 55 range, which is the same range as Oregon State, Cal, and Arizona.
All indications are that So Miss will continue to perform comparable
to a middle team in an AQ conference.Great addition to the schedule,
and more proof that we are going to be able to have a solid schedule going
forward. Go Cougs!
CG:That's your perception. Like I said ESPN/ABC doesn't have rights
to very many Pac 12 games this year because of the old Pac 10 contract. I've
read all kinds of articles about it including stuff from Jon Wilner. They can
go through the Pac 12 schedule all they want but if the games for that weekend
was already contracted out they either have to buy the game out or pass on it.
Find me an article that disproves what I've read on it and I'll change my
belief.Until then, I will guarantee you it is a rights issue. And to be honest, I don't care who televises the game as long as its not
the mtn. Funny how you guys are all twitterpated by ESPN just because they made
a contract with you. ESPN/ABC/FOX made a landmark deal with the Pac 12 for $3
Billion over the next 12 years but it doesn't suddenly make me think ESPN is the
end all of sports broadcasting.
utesovertide"It is probably more of a rights issue than
anything that the game is not available on ESPN."A couple of
months ago ABC/ESPN went through the PAC 12 schedule and picked the initial
games they wanted to televise. The could have picked ANY PAC 12 home game, but
they passed on Utah at USC.The painful truth is, ABC/ESPN had rights
to Utah's PAC 12 debut at USC, they just didn't think the game was a big enough
deal for them to want to televise it.
"ESPN never would have passed up the opportunity to televise Utah's PAC 12
debut at USC."That line is slightly disingenuous. Under the
current Pac 12 contract for 2011, which is the old Pac 10 contract, USC has the
rights to the game alongside the FOX network. If you go and look at ye olde Pac
10's TV contract, it was a piecemeal contract with quite a bit of complexity and
quite a few different players involved.It is probably more of a
rights issue than anything that the game is not available on ESPN.
Children children children...there is a game on every minute of the day. What
fans want is to watch a franchise, they want the latest story, they want to
watch THE game. So TV contracts are a good start, but mean nothing if nobody is
interested. More people watched the Utes in the sugarbowl than will watch BYU
this year...unless they beat somebody good early on and the Nation get's
Jimmered into thinking BYU can run the table. Same for the Utes, with just a
little more forgiveness since the schedule is tougher. More people will watch in
the beginning because of the better conference and interest in who is making
their way to a National Championship; lose a few games and ratings drop. Now
everybody chill until the season is underway and we have something substantial
to talk about. And please, ESPN is not the holy grail...check out ratings on
superbowls, world series, Olympics, etc. It's the time slot and footprint that
TheSportsAuthority ***And how many of those 23 windows do you think
Utah will fit into for ABC/ESPN broadcasts, when they didn't even want Utah's
premier game at USC?***Hopefully, none. Because Utah wouldn't make
money off of the game if they do. Utah only makes money off of new revenue that
they bring in. So, broadcasting games off of the contract doesn't make them any
money. The ESPN factor will only help a team so much. Really it comes down to
being able to win big games. BYU has only been able to beat 2 top 25 teams (end
of year ranking) since 1998, Utah and TCU. Good luck trying to beat 2 or more in
1 year.Lonestarrunner,***$$$ will not necessarily bring
increased exposure and better recruiting to Utah -- see Washington State.***The PAC 10/12 just voted to get equal profit sharing for the conference.
I believe that this goes into effect next year with the new TV contract. So,
Washington St hasn't had the money advantage that USC, CAL, Oregon, and Stanford
have enjoyed. So, your argument really doesn't make sense, since they were
getting between 2-3 Mil/year. Great Coaching > exposure + money
Classless Ute Fan "To say that Utah will only have 3 games on
TV this year is just plain ridiculous. If you have any questions, just look at
the football media guide. the remaining 23 windows available for
in-season selections, made either six or 12 days prior to the games."And how many of those 23 windows do you think Utah will fit into for
ABC/ESPN broadcasts, when they didn't even want Utah's premier game at USC?
IbleedcrimsonStop with your delusional ratings spin already!If Utah's ratings were really as significant as you pretend them to be,
ESPN never would have passed up the opportunity to televise Utah's PAC 12 debut
at USC.Ratings may not lie, but your biased interpretation of the
Swoop You and the other spinners care to comment of the ratings and
set the ESPN is our heavnely father talk down for awhile?go back as
many years as you want the Illusion the the rest of the world cares what about
BYU football is just that an illusion, the ratings don't lie!
Nice to see Coach Witt getting respect from sports writers outside Utah.
IbleedcrimsonYou're trying to convince us of the validity of your
own myopic barometers, when, quite obviously, they're meaningless to the
Worldwide Leader in Sports.BYU's national prominence is proven by
these simple facts:--ESPN signed an exclusive 8-year contract with
BYU to market BYU games.--ESPN has already scheduled EVERY available
BYU game this season and BYU's first EIGHT games for next season, BEFORE BYU has
played their first game as an independent.--ESPN arranged the
BYU-Oklahoma game in Dallas Cowboys Stadium in 2009 as a made-for-TV event. (Why
didn't ESPN invite Sugar Bowl champion Utah instead?)--ESPN arranged
the BYU-TCU game in Dallas Cowboys Stadium this year as a made-for-TV event.--ESPN arranged the BYU-West Virgina game in Washington Redskins Stadium
in 2016 as a made-for-TV event.Why would ESPN schedule/arrange all
of these games for a team that isn't nationally prominent?And, if
Utah really is such a ratings magnet, why would ABC/ESPN choose NOT to broadcast
Utah's PAC 12 debut against nationally prominent USC?This isn't a
fabrication by BYU fans. This is reality.
"You should check the TV ratings for BYU vs Oklahoma 2009 against ANY
regular season game Utah has ever played."My guess is a few of
those fans tuned in to see Oklahoma and a new state of art stadium, just a
hunch.If that's your barometer how do explain this:In
2009-10 more people tuned it to watch:Fresno vs. WyomingCal
vs. UtahMarshall vs. OhioCentral Michigan vs. TroythanBYU vs. Oregon St.I could go on but you get the
point.The numbers tell it like it is, the national prominence
illusion is mainly fabricated by BYU fans, no one outside of the members of the
LDS church care that much about watching them.Thats not a bad thing
it's just the reality!
Classless Ute Fan"In 2012 and every year after, Utah will be on
National TV for every game."So is BYU, for the next 8 years,
but I'll still take ESPN and an occassional BYUtv game over the PAC 12
channel.BYU is already scheduled to play their first EIGHT games of
2012 on ESPN or ESPN2.
Ibleedcrimson"The illusion that BYU has much more national
appeal than Utah does not hold up..."Bowl game ratings are hardly the
definitive barometer.You should check the TV ratings for BYU vs
Oklahoma 2009 against ANY regular season game Utah has ever played.The definitive barometer for which team has more national appeal is the fact
that ABC/ESPN completely ignored Utah when their PAC 12 games were scheduled,
while BYU is scheduled to appear on ESPN 10 times this season. Utah doesn't have
enough national appeal to warrant their PAC 12 debut at USC being televised by
anybody except that old MWC standby, Versus.
The illusion that BYU has much more national appeal than Utah does not hold up
when viewed through the only barometer that exists, bowl game TV ratings.6 out of the last 9 years both BYU and Utah were in a bowl game, in 4
out of those 6 years, the games the Utes were in received higher viewership
ratings than the game BYU was in.Last years New Mexico bowl pitting
BYU against UTEP had a 24% reduction of viewship over the previous years New
Mexico bowl, Wyoming vs. Fresno state. (BTW, where was all this pent up demand
from LDS folks that being on ESPN is going to unleash, when they were on
national TV at the end of last year?)The reality is, in the pantheon
of major college football , neither team has the same national appeal as the big
boys, yet, but the fans have voted with the ratings, and they'd rather watch
PAC mannone of them even comes close to the national reputation that
BYU enjoys. I think that was the point. To say that Utah
will only have 3 games on TV this year is just plain ridiculous. If you have any
questions, just look at the football media guide. the remaining 23
windows available for in-season selections, made either six or 12 days prior to
the games.If the games don't get picked up by ESPN/ABC or FSN/FX and
Versus, then they can sell the TV rights to another station, possibly just a
local station. Utah doesn't get any TV money from the current contract in place.
They WILL get TV money if they can generate their own TV money, which I'm sure
will be done. But they have to wait until their contracted provide declines to
broadcast the game, which hasn't happened yet.In the last 5 years
Utah Football has been televised 59 times. In 2012 and every year after, Utah
will be on National TV for every game. This year, they might only get
local/regional coverage on many games. For BYU fans trying to dog on Utah... get
chicagobornApples and orange comparison with BYU and the MAC.There isn't a single MAC team that will be playing almost all of its
games on ESPN, none of them have a schedule that is even roughly equivalent to
BYU's, and, none of their games will be slotted in a favorable time slots, and
most importantly, none of them even comes close to the national reputation that
@chicagoborn | 5:46 p.m. July 13, 2011 WEST VALLEY CITY, UT @LonestarRunner"I think exposure can be a tad overrated
sometimes."I will be watching two of the three Utah games on TV
this year.What is Versus?
@LonestarRunnerI think exposure can be a tad overrated sometimes.
After all, the MAC has a deal with ESPN and I'm sure that teams such as Northern
Illinois and University of Ohio will have more games on ESPN than the U. Does
that mean that the MAC teams are in better position than Utah? Of course not.
It's nice that BYU has the tv deal but that will not necessarily mean that they
will just skyrocket in the next years. And by the way, the athletic budgets for
UCLA, Cal, and probably even Washington State are higher than Utah's but look
what Utah has done with less money and less exposure.
Bleed Crimson "Did you know that Utah has WON more BCS games
than Notre Dame? BCS Bowl Games:Notre Dame 0-3Utah
2-0TV exposure does not win football games!True, TV
exposure does not win football games, but you get paid just as much for losing a
BCS game as for winning a BCS game. $$$ has been the overwhelming focus of Utah
fans since Utah was first invited to join the PAC 12. Sure, winning would be
nice, but Utah fans don't seem care nearly as much about Utah games being
televised, as long as Utah gets lots of $$$.For BYU fans:Exposure > $$$For Utah fans:$$$ > ExposureStill, we all know Utah fans are green with envy at how many games BYU
will be playing on ESPN this coming season.If BYU does well,
exposure will eventually lead better recruiting and much more $$$, so BYU will
have the best of both worlds.$$$ will not necessarily bring
increased exposure and better recruiting to Utah -- see Washington State.
mgr63"There is no greater insult than to be ignored."You mean like Utah was completely ignored by ABC/ESPN when that PAC 12
television schedule was announced. Utah got their first taste of reality, that
the Utes are no longer one of the big boys of the conference.BYU
will have no such surprises with Independence. In fact, not only has ESPN chosen
to broadcast EVERY BYU game that ESPN has rights to this year, ESPN has already
announced that the first 8 BYU games next season will be broadcast on ESPN or
Oh my dear. BYU vs. Utah. Haven't seen this much immaturity since I picked up
my little grandson from day-care. Oh wait - they are only 2-4 year-olds and
don't know how to act like this. All the best to both teams in
their respective circumstances; all trolls on both sides really need to get a
Bo Jangles "I don't think it was ND's media access that got
them into 3 BCS bowl games... it was probably their W-L record and
ranking."Don't kid yourself; media exposure, national fanbase,
and ranking are all intertwined. That's why you'll often see a two- or
three-loss team like Notre Dame, or Ohio State, or Texas, still ranked in the
Top 15, sometimes even in the Top 10, while a two- or three-loss Utah team would
be lucky to still be ranked at all.Notre Dame has lost NINE bowl
games in a row, including all three BCS bowls, and hasn't won a bowl game since
1994, yet NBC wouldn't even consider ending their exclusive television contract
with Notre Dame.Notre Dame was 9-2 in 2000 when they were invited to
the Fiesta Bowl, 9-2 for the Fiesta Bowl in 2005, and 10-2 for the Sugar Bowl in
2006, and finished with 3 losses each time.By contrast, BYU had 11-2
seasons in 2006, 2007 and 2009, and has won four of their last five bowl
games.Increased exposure will be huge for building BYU's brand!
Notre Dame has the best TV contract in the nation.......because they are the
most storied, popular football team in the history of college
All I have to say is this.............a quote from our 1st president George
Washington......"There is no greater insult than to be ignored." We
all know who never received a call back from any BCS conference as they
frantically tried contacting all of them for a "deal" after the
world-class learning institution, the University of Utah, received their invite
to the fabulous PAC-12. Isn't it a great feeling being a Ute these days and
having the "U" representing the state of Utah in the big time?! As Hot
Rod Hundley would say......"You gotta love it baby!" Go Utes!
@ anti BCS"Did you know that Notre Dame has played in more BCS
games in the last 10 years than Utah?"Did you know that Utah
has WON more BCS games than Notre Dame? BCS Bowl Games:Notre
Dame 0-3Utah 2-0TV exposure does not win football games!
"Notre Dame's television exposure has gotten the Fighting Irish into THREE
BCS bowl games in the last 10 years - 2001 Fiesta, 2006 Fiesta, 2007 Sugar - but
that didn't even register on your college football success radar"Phoenix,ND is a BCS team in all practical purposes. They play by
much different rules than Army, bYu and Navy. ND would not have gone to three
BCS bowl games under the rules bYu accepted.Under
"special" rules not alloted to bYu, ND had 2 and even 3 loses in each
of there BCS appearances.If ND had the same "set up" as
bYu, they would have never sniffed a BCS game....even with the nations top
talent.Once again, the only way bYu goes to a BCS game is having a
perfect season....something that has not happend in almost 30 years.
@phoenix... "Notre Dame's television exposure has gotten the Fighting Irish
into THREE BCS bowl games in the last 10 years"I don't think it
was ND's media access that got them into 3 BCS bowl games... it was probably
their W-L record and ranking.You could say BCS Bowl games are
awarded to teams that perform well on the field and not necessarily because a
team signs a TV contract. Just my speculation
Just to clarify, the big news of the day is Utah published an online media
hedgy"Might want to let Utah in on your little make believe
conference."No need to. Utah will never qualify for
"conference membership" because the Utes are too arrogant to continue
scheduling Utah State.
@One Nil"lets be honest...your no ND. Hey, look how far their
TV exposure has taken them the past 10 years."Did you know that
Notre Dame has played in more BCS games in the last 10 years than Utah?Didn't think so.
One Nil Don't kid yourself. Utah will NEVER play 10
games on ESPN in a single season. Unless Utah is having an outstanding season,
most of Utah's games will be shuffled off to the subscription-only PAC 12
network.Beginning in 2013, BYU's October/November WAC games, except
for Utah State and Hawaii, will be replaced with lots of quality opponents from
the ACC and Big East, courtesy of ESPN."Hey, look how far their
[Notre Dame's] TV exposure has taken them the past 10 years.Ironically, you just proved how meaningless Utah's BCS bowl appearances really
are in the overall scheme of things. Notre Dame's television
exposure has gotten the Fighting Irish into THREE BCS bowl games in the last 10
years - 2001 Fiesta, 2006 Fiesta, 2007 Sugar - but that didn't even register on
your college football success radar. Why? Because Utah fans have made a mountain
out of a molehill with their BCS bowl game chest beating.
@ Michigan CoogHow old are you? Does you mommy know that you've
been secretly getting on the internet again? Great, you have TV exposure,
something we will have next year. So you beat us by a year. Woopy do!! Us
chaps that have a good job can afford the PAC 12 channel and watch every game.
But now you guys have to win BIG games on the road. How does playing New Mexico
St, Utah St, San Jose St, Idaho something...on national TV want to make Non LDS
3-4 star athletes continually flock to Provo Utah for 4 years? You'll get a
few, but not on a consistent basis. Don't kid yourself. I think once reality
sets in when your 3-3 and playing nobodies in Oct & Nov for a lower end
bowl, it will finally set in. Good luck running the table every year with games
at ND, Texas, GT, WV....because thats what you have to do to go to a BCS bowl.
Your just the newest, bluish version of Army & Navy. And lets be
honest...your no ND. Hey, look how far their TV exposure has taken them the
past 10 years. Kudos.
BYU vs. New Mexico St. I can see the huge ratings now!!!!Everyone from main to the baja: "This is Boring. Let's see whats on
Gotta love the blue-grey shading for the north-south divisions. Looks like Utah
can keep the "Dixie" nickname for southern Utah.
The media guide has been out for over a week as others have shown already.
July 12th, 2011BYU announces 10 games (plus the bowl) to be played
on ESPN!!!Utah announces 168 pages and four covers in their media
chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp....
SoCalUtahFan,"people driving north on I-15 can't even see
BYU...It's so far behind...:) True, but you can see BYU on National
TV (in one way or another) 10-11 times, 7 of those broadcasts from the tip of
Maine, to Baja Calif... As for your UTES can you spell ESPN radio 700 on the AM
dial? Oh, I forgot on the field and stream channel that some call VS. or was
that a regional FSN telecast or whatever that station was? Hum, I
guess you can't see your Utes either, and that would be no where...Enjoy them
big bucks (in 4 years) at the little table in the corner of the PAC10.2 cellar
with your new buddy Colorado and Washington State...Yippie!
@owlmaster2 ...the world isn't going to stop or even slow down just
because good old Byu has a party...Wonder if they served red
kool-aid at the party...
Really quiet in here! Guess not much interest! I'll leave now.
If we can get 8 more teams with sanctions, we can have the Red-White
Championship game and the Rosebowl locked up!What a great time to be
in the PAC!!!
First four posts not about BYU...Fanally, we are over that.Rear view mirror......sooooooo, what cha guys wanna talk about???
I could care less about Byu's media day. What I want to know is the PAC 12
scheduling and more about the teams Utah is playing.I'm afraid the world
isn't going to stop or even slow down just because good old Byu has a party.Go UTES
Chris Bryant...who cares about BYU? rear-view mirror. We got bigger fish
to fry. Lets not get into this nonsense anymore...people driving
north on I-15 can't even see BYU...It's so far behind...:)
Hedgehog,who cares about BYU? rear-view mirror. We got bigger fish
to fry. Lets not get into this nonsense anymore.
Sounds like Utah is now part of two conferences the PAC12 and (per bronko)the
"State Championship".Might want to let Utah in on your
little make believe conference.