No crystal ball here. But look at the guarantees. If Utah has a losing season
they are still in the PAC-12. If BYU has a losing season it will be on national
television.If Utah has a winning season they can slip into the PAC-12
national TV exposure and possible Rose Bowl.If BYU has a winning season it
will be on national television.
Utahfantstic or what:Third in south is because SC can't win and
offically can't finish above u.
I dont want to rain on anybody's parade, but the reference to Jordan Wynn's
surgury as"problem fixed", tells me that all the info you are getting
is from reading the comments or the local papers. You havn't been to
the"U" and watched the summer work outs. I can tell you this as
absolute fact. The problem is"not" fixed. No zip and no distance. You
can take that to the bank!
duckhunter:OU812 has shown to not be a Ute fan. However, I am one.
In the past I have "cheered" for teams in the MWC to beat teams from
other conferences to improve the conference ratings. For example, previously I
would "cheer" Colorado St. to beat Colorado. Now, I'll do the
opposite. I think that conference power rankings helped Utah get the nod over
Boise St. in the BCS for both 2004 and 2008. Doesn't change the fact I truly
cheer for Utah.Of course you won't cheer for any conference teams
since the Y is now independent. But somehow, I believe, many Y fans will be
"cheering" for the likes of Ole Miss and Texas to do well-since it
makes the Cougars schedule look better. Don't believe me? Wait for the posts...
Sorry duckhunter, but not a Ute fan, I just like laughing at hilarious comments
and predictions out of utah. And most come from the Y. Sometimes the U as well,
But at least they have backed up a few.
Tomahawk Re--I feel your passion, buddy---but offensive line positions are not
skill positions (although those you mentioned are great players) and Reggie Dunn
and John White aren't really experienced players. It's a fair critique of the
Utes to say that Jordan Wynn has few experienced skill players surrounding him.
I would hope that Luke Matthews and Griff McNabb would come through and that
Harvey Langi becomes the surprise of the season.
@ou812"Keep this MUM! They announced the winners of the
Directors Cup and the best team: Stanford. Best Conference: PAC 12 with 9
championships."Well I am glad you are making the adjustment to
cheering for the conference your school is in rather than your school itself
because if you want something to celebrate in the future it is going to have to
be celebrating for schools like Stanford and the conference as a whole. LOL!
Utah ceiling is USC
I find it quite ironic how many BYU fans prophesy about how the UTES first
season in PAC-12 will go. BYU fans have stewardship over BYU, not UTAH. The
same can be said for some UTAH fans.Please clarify if you are giving
us your opinion by using such words as "I think...", "In my
opinoin...", "I predict...", etc. By saying "UTAH/BYU
will..." is communicated as prophecy.
When you look at Athlon's writeup of Utah they say 4th in the South for the
Utes, but then you look at there season conference prediction and they have the
Utes at third in the South. So, third it is.
Sammyg,Is BYU being ranked 40th a couple of weeks better than the
Utes 48th this week?Wow! Mangum at 19th, 4 stars, and the U's stock is
falling! The "Pre-season" 48th team in 1 magazine is
mainly the outlier not the norm. I'm not sure what you are reading but I read on
ESPN college football homepage that Utah is being voted by the fans as the
likely favorite to win the PAC 12 South division by nearly 10% higher than the
next team. If you think that all of the votes are coming from just Utah, look at
the map and see how much of it is in favor of the UTES. Maybe those BCS
victories did put us on the map, literally. On another article on
rivals that talks about the 10 best teams in winning percentage not in the top
25 of recruiting over the last 10 years.First, Boise St., TCU, and Utah
just 3rd.Could you run down to the ticket office and buy me season
tickets to the Utah games? Oh right, they've been long sold out.Seems your U's stock is falling statement a little erroneous.
Uteanymous"Considering that that true Freshman QB was
surrounded by new skill position players, but threw almost as many TDs in the
final 6 games of Freshman season as your seasoned QB threw during his entire
Sophomore season, 14 vs 17, I'd be much more worried about the impending
implosion of the Utah offense, especially since Wynn has absolutely no
experienced skill players surrounding him this season."DeVonte
Christopher (WR)Reggie Dunn (WR)John White IV (RB)John Cullen
(LT)Tony Bergstrom (RT)Kendrick Moeai (TE)Exactly where
are these inexperienced skill players you speak of?
SoCalTrueBlue2"I am amused by Utah fans' excitement over the
hiring of Norm Chow, who left UCLA rather than be demoted. Yes, he had a long
successful run as offensive coordinator at BYU, but he was also the offensive
coordinator at UCLA when BYU smacked them 59-0."You
misinterpret our excitement.We replaced the inexperienced Dave
Schramm with offensive vet Norm Chow... which, no matter how you cut it, is a
big improvement. In addition to his experience, Chow also brings a wealth of
knowledge about the Pac-12... something we figure is gonna be pretty
valuable.Exactly what part of that is amusing to you?
@TheSportsAuthority,***Every BYU fan who watched Heaps' dramatic
improvement during the 2nd half of the season is excited to see Jake leading the
Cougars into their first year of Independence.***You call BYU
beating a couple of "cream puffs" to get to .500 a dramatic
improvement? Isn't that what BYU fans called those teams when Utah destroyed
them?***Any Utah fan who watched the dismantling of the Utah offense
during the second half of last season and how inept their starting QB was,
should be worried about the potential disaster awaiting the Utes relying on
wounded Wynn leading the Utes into their first year in the PAC 12.***I was worried/concerned about what was going on with the team, and then we
found out at the end of the season that Wynn was playing injured since the Iowa
St game. With surgery, problem fixed. But how will your team fix their problems?
Even with the "greatest QB recruit in the nation", they couldn't even
beat a hobbling injured Wynn nor USU. Whatcha gonna do when Wynn's playing
healthy?If you don't think that Utah has the athletes to win, you
should look at their awesome roster.
Keep this MUM! They announced the winners of the Directors Cup and the best
team: Stanford. Best Conference: PAC 12 with 9 championships. It could burst a
few bubbles down south.
Is BYU being ranked 40th a couple of weeks better than the Utes 48th this
week?Wow! Mangum at 19th, 4 stars, and the U's stock is falling!
I am just glad everyone has crystal balls. No need to play the games. Everyone
has them figured out. The fact of the matter is that over the course of a
season, many things happen, some good and some bad. Anyone who remembers 2008
knows that the Utah offense sucked for most of the season. But that team put
themselves in a position to take advantage of mistakes made by their opponents
and found ways to win games. Not saying Utah will do that this year, they do
have too many question marks. But they certainly have the talent to compete in
every game they play in this year, which is a great starting point.
UteUnRealistAny Utah fan who watched the dismantling of the Utah
offense during the second half of last season and how inept their starting QB
was, should be worried about the potential disaster awaiting the Utes relying on
wounded Wynn leading the Utes into their first year in the PAC 12.Every BYU fan who watched Heaps' dramatic improvement during the 2nd half of
the season is excited to see Jake leading the Cougars into their first year of
Independence. If all Utah fans saw in Heaps was the level of the competition,
they entirely missed the real reason for Jake's improvement.BYU
reaching as many wins as they did last year is a given.Utah reaching
as many wins as BYU did last year is iffy.
So, according to a few Hacks like cuger1 and uteanamous, the Utes should just
lay down and maybe not play the season. Utah will take their licks due to a
tougher schedule than the MWC week in and week out. The Utah fans will worry
about it. You Provo fans need to worry about reaching as many wins
as last year and piling up stats on Idaho. At that point, your team can prepare
to play another Independent. At least you will be on espn.
Vegas would be shocked if the Utes were not battling for a South division title
in year 1...professionals at LVSC have Utah at the top of the South. There isn't a prop or line for the Independent conference. Not sure why the
BYU folks bother saying anything when they won't have anything to play for after
losing two of their first three. It's undefeated or nothing for them. Lighting
up the scoreboard against the dregs of the WAC for half the season might look
nice in the statbook but it truly means nothing to the big game makers.Should be fun to watch the new conferences this season. And for everyone
here, the 2011 MWC has two teams better than either Utah or BYU.
Williary,Thanks for bring that score up, because that will be the
minimum span that BYU will win over your might green utes. My bet, will be 38-17
BYU over Utah on September 17th. Jordan Wynn will be counting stars in the
heavens that night after at least 3 sacks and many more TFL's once BYU's LB corp
get thru with him.Watch out for Montana State, their ranked 5th in
their division (pre-season) nationally. I smell another Houston Baptist moment
Further, Utah is replacing all four starters from a secondary that ranked 88th
in the nation in pass efficiency defense -- or ninth in the Pac-10. (Lindley
completed 36 of 54 passes for a career-high 528 yards and four touchdowns in a
38-34 defeat to the Utes; Dalton completed 21 of 26 for 355 yards and three TDs
in a 47-7 win; Moore was 28 of 38 for 339 yards and two TDs in a 26-3 win). The
preliminary returns on the secondary from spring practices were hopeful: There's
nice young talent across the board. But if you're looking for an area where the
Utes will most feel an uptick in competition in the Pac-12, it's defending
sophisticated passing games led by future NFL quarterbacks on a week-to-week
basis.- Ted MillerHe may have given a somewhat positive review of
the d-ends, but he was none to nice to Utah's secondary. I happen to think that
the offensive line is the key for Utah. They get them in sync and they will do
williaryConsidering that that true Freshman QB was surrounded by new
skill position players, but threw almost as many TDs in the final 6 games of
Freshman season as your seasoned QB threw during his entire Sophomore season, 14
vs 17, I'd be much more worried about the impending implosion of the Utah
offense, especially since Wynn has absolutely no experienced skill players
surrounding him this season.Utah will be holding its collective
breath to see how Wynn responds the first time a blitzing Trojan linebacker
flattens him. If Jordan responds with his typical deer in the headlights, happy
feet, throwing off the wrong foot response, Utah is in serious trouble.You may want to hold off on resorting to the more difficult schedule spin so
early, because it's going to sound like a broken record by season's end when
Heaps is lighting up scoreboards and Utah is struggling to score a single FG.
Response to SoCalUtahFan's comment re "2)...Whittingham has a slightly more
established staff, highlighted by new offensive coordinator Norm
Chow..."I am amused by Utah fans' excitement over the hiring of Norm
Chow, who left UCLA rather than be demoted. Yes, he had a long successful run
as offensive coordinator at BYU, but he was also the offensive coordinator at
UCLA when BYU smacked them 59-0.
@MichiganCoogAll the wishful thinking of Cougar fans for the Utes to
implode doesn't change one fact.UTAH STATE 31 BYU 16Considering you're Heisman hopeful has 1 win over a team who finished above
.500, and that win extremely tainted per the MWC, I'll take my chances with the
team Utah will field. It will be very challenging for Utah, no
doubt. Their schedule is much more difficult than the Cougs. Ole Miss would be
0-9 in the Pac-12. Texas is a mess. Catching TCU after Dalton leaves. Plus
the WAC! Schedule sets up nicely for BYU. But that's been said before, and
they still couldn't close the deal and do what Utah's already done.
MenaceToSociety wrote:MenaceToSociety | 3:35 p.m. July 11, 2011 Draper, UTSportsCenter:Ute-Hater. Root for your own team and
quit trolling on Ute stories.----"root for your own
team" says the guy who just 6 mins ago trolled a BYU story about Tanner
Magnum:MenaceToSociety | 3:29 p.m. July 11, 2011 Draper, UTIf this kid is that good, good chance he ends up at a Pac 12 school
eventually. Why settle for the Y if you don't have to?
Athlon got it right, no RB's w/ any D-1 experience returning, a shaky QB w/ a
arm that is still healing (and a "deer-in-the-headlights" mentality
when under pressure), and one big-mouthed WR returning, the Utes should fit
quite nicely in that 3rd or 4th position in the PAC10.2 South that most
publications have placed them...after a 1-2 start, and the likelihood of a 6-6
finish are about right. Anything better than that is a stretch of anyones
imagination.Good luck Utes, yar gonna need it...
SportcenterAll are just comments/opinions from an independent source
outside of Utah.
SportsCenter:Ute-Hater. Root for your own team and quit trolling on
SoCalUtahFan"All positives. All make sense."and all comparisons to your big brother down south...such is the
reality of the fanbase that supposedly moved on a year ago.btw, you
forgot to mention how much all of those "positives" meant to ESPN when
they were deciding which team they wanted to see the most on the worldwide
leader this coming season.
1)...the best way to reach the BCS and/or the national championship is to play
in an AQ conference, which gives Utah a significant edge...2)...Whittingham has a slightly more established staff, highlighted by new
offensive coordinator Norm Chow...3)...until the day BYU either
gains AQ-conference affiliation or the sport's postseason model undergoes a
radical restructuring, it will always face a ceiling that no longer besets
Utah...4)...also expect Utah to reap the benefits of Pac-12
membership in recruiting...5)...Whittingham had the bigger
achievement of the two (2008's undefeated Sugar Bowl season) and more recent
success (three straight seasons with 10 or more wins)...All
positives. All make sense. Good job, Chris Hill.Good
The Utes may surprise some in the down PAC12 South but have a long road to
constant top tier competition.
Predictions mean little. Let the utes play it out. However, the
disrespect is entertaining.
In other news, Salt Lake City gets the bid for the 2002 winter olympics
You didn't write about the RMFL championship, that's OK, it's on the