this can be great for both teams if they can win ball games.If not, it will be
more hurtful to BYU than Utah as the Utes will still have the conference money.
Will ESPN keep showing BYU games IF they lose a lot? we'll have to see how it
all pans out. I've also seen a lot of fellow Ute fans try to pretend that there
are more of us than BYU fans. Maybe in SLC but even that wasn't true 18 years
ago when I started attending games. Any school with religious ties and private
funding will always win that one. There's a lot of Mormons all over the country.
Not a lot of Utahans. Support for Utah has been growing for years but,we just
don't have that kind of base.Not all Mormons are BYU fans though. Myself
We BYU fans want Utah to do well, and Utah fans want BYU to do well! How much
better could it get than if one team was 11-1 and the other 12-0 in the regular
season? If Utah does poorly then it reflects poorly on BYU as well. Not to
mention it strengthens the BCS's argument that the best non-AQ teams (BYU. TCU,
Utah, Boise State) can't compete with BCS teams week in and week out. Both
teams have the opportunity to prove that wrong! One or the other doing poorly
only reflects on the other and weakens their SOS. Let's cheer each other on,
guys! Friendly banter back and forth is fun, but let's cut all the hate."if UTAH loses 3 but wins the conference its Rose Bowl!!"And then the BCS loses even more credibility (see UConn 2010).
Keep spinning it cougar fans... Whatever makes you sleep better at night. The
PAC12 is where any school west of Nebraska wants to be.
one loss byu has their season done, as far as the BCS is concerned!!if UTAH
loses 3 but wins the conference its Rose Bowl!!independence is the cougar no one
wants to go home with!!
Recruits are excited. Fans are rabid. Kick off getting closer as the dog days of
summer approach. Maybe I'll go out and catch a Bees or Owls game. Have a
wonderful 4th of July. God bless and protect America and the troops.
Utah, and Colorado, will take years to compete in the new PAC 12. Must
look outside football. The other sports, too.SC, Washington, Oregon and
Arizon schools, even UCLA, are licking their chops.The above schools have
in place a high school recruit pipeline that Colorado and Utah will have a
difficult time breaking into.No excuses when the season fails them. Suck
(continued)Having said that, I think BYU and Utah are about as even as
you can possibly be as football programs recently. Since the time I was in
college, BYU has been the dominant team, but Utah has definitely proven
themselves on the national scene this decade, and they have clearly caught up to
BYU.Strictly In terms of football success, I think the future is
very bright for both BYU and Utah, but a little brighter for Utah because there
is a lot more security and opportunity in being in a BCS conference. Head to
head I think Utah and BYU will be 50/50 over the next decade, which is a credit
to BYU's coaching staff considering the limitations on the types of recruits BYU
can attract.Now can we stop all the childish bickering and smack?
This is why I'd be perfectly fine with the rivalry ending.
I'm going against the sentiment of my cougar brethren here, but, I think Utah is
going to fair very well in the PAC 12. They'll have good years and down years
just like everyone else and they'll win the conference every once in awhile. . .
I just don't think they'll do it with their current QB. Winning a BCS game IS a
big deal, despite what many of the detractors on here say, and Utah deserved to
be let into the conference, and yes, I am jealous of that. Utah will NOT be a
bottom dweller like WSU. I think Coach Whit will be contending for the title
more often than not.I think an honest observer would admit that Utah
has a much better chance of playing in a BCS and playing for a NC than BYU does
in their respective situations, and I think that gives them an edge in
recruiting. I am no fan of Utah but I think many posters here give
the PAC way to much credit, saying Utah won't compete in the PAC12. Over the
past several years MWC teams-and especially Utah-has faired very well against
Both schools are in a better situation today than they were a year ago. What
more can fans ask for?
"All we have to do is win our conference now," "If you can
compete well in a conference like the Pac-12, then you can compete with anyone
in the nation."And therein lies the problem. While it is
impossible to know the future, the past usually gives a good indication of what
one can expect. And the past paints a pretty troubling picture for the Utes.First of all, you can throw out anything that happened prior to
Whittingham becoming coach. Oscar Meyer can't help you anymore. It is all up to
Whttingham now and his past does not encourage great optimism.In six
tries in the mighty MWC, Whittingham was only able to win one conference
championship. He finished 2nd one other time. The other four tries he came in
3rd or lower. And that was in the MWC.Now what does this indicate
for the future in the pac 10.2? Only time will tell. But if you can only win it
all in the MWC once in six tries, what can you realistically expect in the pac?
This could get very ugly. Time will tell.September 17th
can't get here soon enough.
Nomad1After the banter is done, it is interesting. Utah has been
higher and lower, at least until last year, in which I am still in denial. Going forward, I think BYU has the greater potential for lows, but also
for highs. Marquee teams really share the glory with their conference, for good
and bad. MWC marquee teams, like Utah, TCU, and yes, BYU, were shackled by
their conference. On the other end, USC is marquee, but was pretty easily
surpassed by Oregon. Notre Dame though is literally in a league all
by itself. And despite all the mocking that will ensue, BYU has a chance to do
similarly. Mediocre to good seasons will look like Army or Navy: you know who
they are but you don't care. Very good to great seasons ( yes, we have had them
and we will again), will begin increasingly to look like Notre Dame in the good
years. Your thoughts?
I think it's going to be the other way around Blue Saint. Remember, no body will
see us. But you can guarantee the whole country will see what TCU does to you
at Texas Stadium, OR what Texas does to you at Texas Memorial. It's going to be
ugly....LOL (threw that one in for Ducky)
Nomad, haha!Both teams have a bright future. Utah has a tougher
route per se but BYU has a very tough schedule. They place the SEC, Big 10,
PAC12, and ACC I believe. Throw in Norte Dame and a bunch of Idaho St's and they
are going to be hard pressed to win 10-games.I think Utah will
attract a great crowd if they go 10-2, no problem. BYU will definitely get a
broader national audience, if they win the big games. This year Ole Miss and
Texas to start the season.Both teams have the world of opportunity
via a very tough road.Go BYU!
Congrats to both Utah and byu. Big brother has gotten married and little brother
turned 16 and can now date.
Sorry Chase, but you will have graduated before the u sniffs a conference
Great for both schools and the state of Utah. I think BYU will have a struggle
each year to get quality teams to play them once their conference schedules have
started. The conferences frown on that.
The next few years will be fascinating for both programs.With equal
success, though, I think BYU will have the long-term advantage. If BYU again
becomes a 10-win team, even more of their games will be on ESPN and the Idaho
State's on their schedule (my alma mater) will quickly turn into quality BCS
teams. This will draw even more stellar non-LDS players and the team will get
even better, making them still more attractive to ESPN. If Utah has
the same success, though, if they continue their 10-win ways, they will still be
a second-tier PAC-12 team (in terms of a national following, not potential
championships). A fifth-ranked Utah team won't draw a fraction of the TV
audience that a 15th ranked BYU would. I grew up a non-member in D.C. and
watched BYU all the time. I couldn't have told you, however, what Utah's team
colors were.The reality of the relationship is that Utah is the
woman and BYU the man. The woman has be twice as good to get half the
recognition. That is the impediment that Utah faces. Not fair, but
"It's just an incredible thing, it's awesome to think that I'll be able to
play in the Pac-12 with being able to play so close to home.""All we have to do is win our conference now," "If you can
compete well in a conference like the Pac-12, then you can compete with anyone
in the nation."Chase Hasen: Former BYU Legacy
"BYU has a great winning tradition, and now everyone will be aware of that
tradition," added Wolford. "Everyone in the country will come to learn
about BYU which will bring great exposure for the other great things about the
program."I hope this young man is as good an athlete as he is a
quote. He sees with a very clear perspective.
"Now, much more good Christian kids with high standards will become aware
of BYU, and that will be a great thing for the program."So let
it be done!
BYU will get more exposure, while the Utes will just get exposed!