"As it was, BYU won the national title after beating a bad Michigan team in
the Holiday Bowl. Does anyone believe BYU was better than the Huskies?
No!"If only BYU and Washington would have played each other the
following season. Then we would have known which team was truly better! Of
course, had a BYU-Washington game occured, it is obvious that since Washington
was clearly the better team, there is no doubt they would have beat BYU by at
least 3 touchdowns! Unfortunately, this is all speculation because they didn't
play each other. Unless......Don't you agree, One Nil? Have
anything to add? Want to do the honors of researching this bit of info?
Going off Athlon's pre-season top 25, Utah has exactly 1 game against a top 25
opponent on their 2011 schedule (USC). BYU currently has 2 (TCU and Texas). All 3 of those games are on the road, so please tell me how independence
isn't working for BYU?Also, quick questions ute fans, I want to
watch Utah's first football game. What channel is it on? :)KJZZ 4
AND here's to BYU beating the eventual winner of the pac-12 every year!Just messin with you red. Good luck in the PAC-(insert # here).
@nilsNo matter how you spin it, taking ONE reporter's comments and
making it a 'national consensus' is laughable.Perhaps if the Utes
had strung together a few games in the W column over two seasons consecutively
they might have had a chance in 2004 or 2008. Unfortunately that didn't happen
and now you know... the rest of the story.
As a Cougar fan, I'm very happy for the Utes, both for them and for BYU.Based on reports over the years that BYU would never make a move without
Utah (into a more prestigious conference), Utah's decision to bolt to the PAC
opened the door for the Cougars to go independent. So really, it's a win-win for
both of us.
This is a big win for the Utes...and of course the system is still unfair, but
if you got bumped from coach to first class would you "do the right
thing" and stay in coach as a form of protest? I think not. The best thing
Utah can do to fight the evil empire is do what's in their power, win games. Let
the politicians fight the fairness war. And I do think BYU wins by going
independent; I just don't think they'll be given as much latitude if they lose
games that are a predictor of where they should be ranked.
@One Nil to the Arsenal "Not my words Y Grad..just letting you know what
the national consensus is on your National championship*"Haha,
unfortunately for U, the national consensus of the time was that BYU was the
unanimous National Championship team...something that neither USC nor LSU was
able to do in 2003 under our current system in a much more controversial
national championship than the '84 one.By the way, that's definitely
not the "national consensus", as you put it, of the 1984 BYU team.
Check out Matt Sarz at College Sports Blog, Stewart Mandel's article in SI, Pro
Football Reference Blog and other sources for some more positive reviews on our
National Championship team.Everyone has their own opinion, but the
fact is that BYU has a National Championship trophy sitting in the Legends
Athletic Center. And that's good enough for me :)Go Cougs!
Utah is definitely the winner. I wanted BYU to have 0 nationally televised home
games in 2011, and Utah stole that opportunity this season with the pac10.2Well, I guess there is always next year...
Winner PAC-10? - Some Oregon and Washington fans are still not happy about
getting pushed out of the lucrative (recruiting, not money) Southern California
games and giving UTAH and COLORADO yearly access.
This still has a lot to do with the Original BCS Busters. If Utah gets into a
BCS Bowl without a perfect season it will be a big "gotcha" again from
Utah. On the other hand, if Utah starts with a losing season, the BCS will say,
"Told you so." Thus ending hopes of another conference joining the BCS
or busting the BCS for good.
@ SLC BYU Fan | 2:08 p.m. July 1, 2011 Here are ***ESPN's***
thoughts;"So what about BCS chances for BYU as an independent?
Are they better or worse than with the Mountain West? The answer is that they
are worse. Because BYU does not have an automatic berth waiting for it should it
be the highest of the non-automatic qualifiers. BYU would only be eligible as an
at-large team if it wins at least nine games and finishes in the Top 14 in the
final BCS standings. The Cougars would be able to play in the national
championship game if they finish No. 1-2. For that to happen, BYU would most
likely need to go undefeated playing a tougher schedule than it did as a member
of the MWC. That is not out of the realm of possibility, but it is going to be
exceedingly difficult to be a national champion with the current rules in
Winner?? Financially they definitely will come out smelling like a rose. But
their move to the PAC10 has forever changed their relationship with both BYU and
USU. Heck, they won't even schedule USU now and the September rivalry game will
never be the same.Winner?? I guess it all depends on how you view
Not my words Y Grad..just letting you know what the national consensus is on
your National championship* And please stop comparing BYU to ND. Nobody in the
media (or country) believes this outside of Provo. *
Don't forget also...Immediately following BYU's National Championship year in
1984, The Washington Huskies' faithful were chief among those in discounting the
validity of the previous year's National champions...BYU vs. Washington (1985)
was billed as "Validation of True 1984 Championship" Washington
limped out of Provo after a 31-3 shellacking.
@Target"Why did the DN put the "Red Round-up" link only on
the BYU boards."I got here from the link on the Utah board.
One Nil to the Arsenal!I gotta say, one nil short of something. You
go verry quickly from one writer to everybody.And your last quote is
not a good equivalence either. "but it is going to be exceedingly
difficult to be a national champion with the current rules in place," does
not equal "BCS chances are worse than with the MWC." U had a perfect,
impressive record in 2008, but did not win an NC while in the MWC.Nobody has won an NC while in the MWC. I would therefore have to say that
ANYTHING is easier than winning an NC while in the MWC, even winning an NC as an
independent. I don't know, and I am too lazy to do the research, but was Notre
Dame an independent when they won their last NC? You get the point, look it up
and get back to me.PS - the 84 Huskies didn't deserve the NC for
pure cowardice. They had the chance to play for the championship and they chose
the money. We didn't get the money; quit trying to take away our trophy.
I'd agree with CougFaninTX, I think BYU football could be granted as winner
status as well. I think both institutions improved their status, within college
football ranks that is, with these moves.Hopefully that will
translate to wins, entertaining games, and fun times for all this season.
Interesting Article by Ted Miller from ESPN. Ranking the best PAC 10 teams of
all time. 1984 Washington Huskies ranked #8. Here's what he had to say: 1984 Washington: Finished 11-1 and ranked No. 2 behind BYU. Lost to USC
,16-7. Best player: Defensive tackle Ron Holmes was a consensus
All-American. Point differential: 352-145 Best win:
Shocked Oklahoma 28-17 in the Orange Bowl. Sooners finished ranked sixth. Comment: A controversial season. Before the Orange Bowl, Sooners coach
Barry Switzer lobbied hard for the winner to be declared the national champion.
As it was, BYU won the national title after beating a bad Michigan team in the
Holiday Bowl. Does anyone believe BYU was better than the Huskies? No! This is the respect you get outside of Whoville. Besides the Deseret News,
very few sports writers respect your National Championship. Enjoy that trophy Y
Grad/Y Dad, it might be a looooooooooong time until another one comes your
way.According to an article in ESPN today, Your BCS chances are
worse than with the MWC. I quote, "but it is going to be exceedingly
difficult to be a national champion with the current rules in place."
At Cosmo's CousinGrow up! Congrats Utes!
y grad/y dad congrats on your independence. big brother married a trophy wife
and little brother turned 16 and can now date. independence is beautiful thing.
BYU is the true winner. The Blue will be on ESPN or BYU-TV every week in HD.
The little utes will only be on ESPN when they play............BYU!The utes got lucky with the PAC ... The Blue doesn't need a conference
because, just like Notre Deame, we have the fan base and the tradition to be
independent. We have plenty the utes don't have which is why they could never
be independant -- like the National Championship, massive national fan base, and
the HD truck.Who's the big winner again today? The Blue!
Either way you look at this, the Pac 12 is good for the Utes. They can lose
every game, but still have guaranteed money from the TV contract and guaranteed
conference money. Remember, if a team goes to a BCS game, all schools in the
conference get a part of the revenue, and if they win, the check is even larger.
I am a Ute fan, but I cheer for the Cougs as well, as long as they aren't
playing the Utes. I fear that if they don't do well in indepedence, they will
shoot themselves in the foot with any hope to get into a big conference later.
I hope they do well for the next couple of years and the Big 12 comes calling.
For they Utes, its already in the bag.
Unfortunately this first season's involuntary tv 'blackout' is pretty silly to
cope with but beyond that we all hope that everyone will be able to 'see' their
teams on HD.As far as success on the field, etc. we shall see if
this meets everyone's expectations.Good luck.
More money? Good. Maybe that will lower tuition, or don't student get to benefit
from the gravy train?
For every winner, there's a loser. The Utes earned their PAC 12 bid and are the
big-time winners.So who's the loser in this equation? You don't
need to think about it until you're blue in the face...... :)
As a Ute Fan, I'm excited about being in the Pac 12. I still think the BCS is
should not exclude anyone and their system is not good. When my Utes go
undefeated again in the future and so do two other teams, my Utes may not get a
chance at a NC. I believe there should be a bcs bowl for winners of
MWC. I believe TCU, Boise and Utah could beat anyone in their best years but
we'll never know. I think the biggest losers in the conference
realignment is Boise State. They have one year with TCU and then have to deal
with a bunch of "mediocres" and poor programs again. The other biggest
losers are the MTN channel and the MWC commissioner that really blew it. Back to reality: Go Utes!
Why did the DN put the "Red Round-up" link only on the BYU boards. It
seems like the media try to stir up contention between the two fan-bases with
shenanigans like this!Good luck, Utes. I'm honestly happy for you.
No losers today! Utah got what it wanted and so did BYU. Both are in better
situations so let's all be happy for the moment.
Congrats, Utes! Your day is here. If you have another basketball season like
the last one, it still is a season in the PAC.And if you have
another football season like 2008, you may well finally have an NC trophy of
your own. It really is pretty cool, and no, it never gets old.
I mostly agree with the article. Utah is a big winner. Hopefully, they will
continue to win on the field (except against BYU) and make us proud.However, at this point BYU's move has to be looked at as a win. Independence
is certainly better than the MWC. The money is better. The exposure is better.
Recruiting seems to be on track. What's not to like?I can't
imagine the MWC would be considered for AQ status. The new strength of the MWC
is basically the old strength of the WAC, with the exception of Air Force. I would still rather see BYU as an Independent than part of an AQ MWC.
Now the Big 12, that's a different conversation.I actually hope the
MWC get's AQ status because it looks like BYU will be playing one or two teams
from that conference on a regular basis. Boise State already has four games
with the Y. I wouldn't be surprised to see a mix of Air Force, UNLV and SDSU in
Okay....Utah wins! Now, where can I see a game?
@ Nikon Guy"Man, Ute fans are a bunch of hypocrites. Just as
rpjense said just a year or two ago you guys said the BCS isn't fair because
Utah was left out of the NC game. Now that Utah is part of the BCS cartel it's
ok because money rules? I guess even in the conservative state of Utah money
makes everything ok.""If you can't beat them, join
them"! The BCS isn't going anywhere, anytime soon! The Non-AQ schools can
fight the BCS all they want, but there is too much money involved for the AQ
schools to give up.
Not in a 100 years will the Utes ever see the Rose Bowl (unless you buy a
Utah won't even care if they win or lose, they will still have the money. Of
course they don't care about the BCS anymore, they have AQ status and that too
is all that matters. I am not a Ute fan but they got a great deal. And for my
fellow BYU fans who think Utah is going to just be mediocre in this conference,
you know nothing about football. Utah is much better than that. They will adjust
and they will win. Lets not be a hedgehog, lets give Utah credit where credit is
SLC BYU Fan:We don't need to "assert" anything. The fact
that you are now asking the question is sufficient.
@Nikon GuyDon't be mistaken.It is still not okay (ie not fair)
that BCS did not allow 2008 Utah team to play in NC.If this year, a 12-0
BSU or 12-0 TCU with as strong schedule as 2008 Utah had, it is still not fair
to leave them out of NC.As for now? It's just not our battle
anymore. We are moving on and up.
Association in the PAC 12 Conference is a great leap ahead for the State of
Utah. If I want I can see some pretty decent football and basketball programs
play the U. I choose not to attend events at the U because I'm usually busy
attending events at my Alma Mater. Support your school and it's cool.
rpjense,Everything is ok as far as I am concerned. It's kind of
like gaining statehood. Before statehood Utah was always in a fight with the
federal government. Once granted statehood a lot of those battles went away.Custer,That's funny comment coming from someone with a
username like custer. As I recall the indians won that battle. The Utes will
get their victories in the PAC 12 as well.
@SLC BYU Fan...BYU a loser? Can't argue with you there. So I
have to agree with you.
Man, Ute fans are a bunch of hypocrites. Just as rpjense said just a year or two
ago you guys said the BCS isn't fair because Utah was left out of the NC game.
Now that Utah is part of the BCS cartel it's ok because money rules? I guess
even in the conservative state of Utah money makes everything ok.As
far as not caring about the "little guys" or mid-majors Utah shouldn't
have such a elitist attitude becuase one day it may come back to bite you. I
don't know what but it might. Just remember your roots because those cool new
friends may not be so kind if things go sour...
Utah will be a winner with the move to the Pac 12, only if the Utes football and
basketball teams deliver an abundance of victories. I believe the Utes will
find it very difficult to win, especially on the road, in the PAC 12. We will
soon find out. I don't believe Ute fans will be happy with the move
to the Pac 12, if the Utes turn-out average to below average won-loss records
year after year.
I guess Ute fans will assert this makes BYU a loser?
"Isn't it still a cartel? Or, now that Utah is in the mix, is everything
OK?" rpense,Yes the evil cartel has brought
Utah over 27 million with untold prestige, exposure and the chance to play in
the rose bowl....yes, everything is A OK!
@rpjense...What has changed about the BCS? Isn't it still a cartel? Or,
now that Utah is in the mix, is everything OK? ...Utah is a
Major.Utah has status of AQ school now.Everything may not be
Ok still, but we don't care much for the mid-majors any more.
Thank you, Mr. Obvious. Declaring Utah as a big winner is kind of a no-brainer.
Join a BCS conference and partake in a new, lucrative TV deal, considering
their previous conference affiliation.
Kind of interesting ... just over a year ago, many U of U fans were among those
condemning the BCS. In fact, didn't Senator Hatch join the chorus? What has
changed about the BCS? Isn't it still a cartel? Or, now that Utah is in the mix,
is everything OK?
This is probably the biggest no-brainer headline ever. Obviously, Utah came out
a winner with it's Pac-12. The only possible drawback to the Pac-12 move is
that wins will be harder to come by, but I'm sure the Utes are up to the task!