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Published: Thursday, June 30 2011 4:00 a.m. MDT

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GCQ
West Jordan, UT

I like the 5 points...but it seems that one is missing. I've always been taught and have a personal conviction that having a testimony of the Book of Mormon is one of the core points of any testimony of the restored Church of Jesus Christ.

Hmmm....I guess that would only work if you had six fingers on one hand. Oh well, too bad for the most correct of any book on earth...one that helps individuals get nearer to God than any other!

kem
Windham, Maine

I would include Joseph Smith as a prophet and that we have a prophet today in one of the points and be sure to include the Book of Mormon as another of the points. The gloves can also be used to illustrate the plan of salvation.. our hand as our spirit and our glove as our body.. Yes, the Book of Mormon should be included as one of the points.

IndependentLiberal
Salt Lake City, UT

They crux of the divide between Christianity and Mormonism could not be presented any clearer that what was described as the five elements of a testimony in Mormon theology. Christianity also has five basic elements of our theology known as the Five Solas or only, Scripture Only, Faith Only, Grace Only, Christ Only, and give the glory to God Only.

Quite a difference, It sure makes me wonder!

Free Agency
Salt Lake City, UT

To me, having a "testimony" means having an *inner* experience, not simply memorizing key points of a theology and then presenting them. That's merely recitation. (In fact, the very glove idea reminds me of how we used to write key facts on our palms before an exam.)

No one can give you a testimony but yourself, with--in Mormon terms--the gift of the Holy Ghost.

To claim that kids can actually give a personal testimony by showing five fingers of a glove and then stating what's on each finger is absurd. There's nothing personal about it, it was simply taught to them. And whoever is won over by their "testimony" will most likely be as robotic as these kids are behaving.

I don't believe this is what God intended for us.

donn
layton, UT

BiblicalTestimony. Man is sinful and separated from God. "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," (Rom. 3:23); "For the wages of sin is death," (Rom. 6:23); "But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God," (Isaiah 59:2). The Holy Spirit(Ghost) must convict of your sinful nature.

Jesus Christ is God's only provision for man's sin. A."I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me" (John 14:6). "
We must individually receive Jesus as Savior and Lord. ."But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right(authority) to become children of God(by adoption), even to those who believe in His name," (John 1:12); "if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved," (Rom. 10:9); "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God," (Eph. 2:8).

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

The children are taught what a testimony is and what one must contain. So, what. I hear that Catholic Children also are taught certain things peculiar to the Catholic Religion as well and so are all the protestant religions as well. The funny thing is that most protestant religions will on occassion tell their parishiners how bad the "MORMONS" are without ever telling them the difference.

The fact remains that a personal testimony comes to a person only and by the Holy Ghost. No one person, father, mother, brother, aunt, uncle, etc. can give you a testimony. There comes a time in everyones life that they must stand on their own two feet. They must obtain their own testimony of the truth. Many obtain that in their teens, some in their early twenties. Some late in life. Yet, they all must obtain and fuel that testimony. The spirit does withdrawal itself from someone through apostasy and when it does that spirit no longer dwells with that person. When that happens then that person has two options to either regain it or to not. It is said that a person can leave the Church but they can't leave the Church alone.

Idaho Coug
Meridian, Idaho

The first point that God is our Heavenly Father should be changed to something like - we have Heavenly Parents who love us and want us to return to them.

Heavenly Parents (which boldly includes a Heavenly Mother) is one of the most wonderful and unique of LDS teachings. But sadly it is rarely expressed out loud anymore.

friedeggonAZstreets
Glendale, AZ

I'm not sure they reported the 5 points correctly. I went to that blog and this is what they said, "A testimony is a spiritual witness given by the Holy Ghost. The foundation of a testimony is the knowledge that Heavenly Father lives and loves us; that Jesus Christ lives, that He is the Son of God, and that He carried out the infinite Atonement; that Joseph Smith is the prophet of God who was called to restore the gospel; that we are led by a living prophet today; and that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the Saviors true Church on the earth. With this foundation, a testimony grows to include all principles of the gospel" I only counted 4: 1-heavenly Father 2-Christ 3-living prophet/past one 4-True church and I guess you could include the BOM here. Unless I am reading it wrong, but this is how I would teach it to my children since I do agree with GCQ that the BOM needs to be included.

crunchem
Cedar City, Utah

friedegg: you didn't read it wrong, just, um, interpreted it wrong. You lumped the two prophet concepts together. Joseph Smith was a prophet, and we have a current prophet, were presented as two points, not one.

I agree that the Book of Mormon should be a key point, but I feel quite comfortable in suggesting that your testimony of that book is inextricably linked with your testimony of the Prophet Joseph. Either it's true and he is therefore a prophet (or he is a prophet which would force the Book of Mormon to be true, depending on how you want to build your foundation) OR you can prove the book is false, which makes Smith a fraud (or you know he is a false prophet so therefore the book can't possibly be from God).

Either way, by coming to the conclusion that one is true, the other must be true, so it's covered.

chosha
BEVERLY HILLS, CA

I'm uncomfortable with the idea of teaching children a testimony by rote. A child should not be instructed to say they know something as part of a lesson. That is not testimony - it is (sorry to say) indoctrination. Is that really how we want children to form their beliefs or to understand testimony?

Spencer L. Jensen
American Fork, Utah

Excellent idea. In light of President Hinckley's adage that what new converts need (and I imagine physical children, too, not only those young in the gospel) is "a friend, a calling, and to be nourished by the good word of God," I propose that we make additional visual aids that will teach the five points of fellowship and five points of magnifying your calling.

rameumptum tipper
East Dublin, GA

Matthew 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries...

I don't see how a testimony glove is symbolically different than a phylactery, a small box tied to a Jewish man's forehead. The purpose is the same and this story is a reminder of how religionists easily look beyond the mark. What a pathetic replacement for the "still small voice"!

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