"hypothetically speaking...Team A: 13-0. Wins over 4 top-20
ranked teams (4 or 5?)in final polls, including a bowl win over #4 final-ranked
team (a team which was ranked #1 for a big chunk of the season)Team
B: 13-0. No wins over top-25 ranked teams in final poll. Bowl win over 6-6 limpy
team.I will say team A > team B."That Team B
looks very similar to the 2010 Boise State team with a few minor differences...
(change 13-0 to 12-1 and 6-6 to 10-3)Let's play more
"hypothetical" games! We know the reason team A didn't have any of
their opponents ranked: because their opponents didn't do so well. That sounds
like thier problem, not team A's problem. Hypothetically speaking, what if the
above mentioned team A HAD played a top ranked team? I say that team would have
won. Why? Team A was proven to be the best team that year. There is not
enough strong evidence to support otherwise.By the way, if Auburn
had played the schedule that UTEP played last year, does that suddenly make
Auburn a bad team?
That doesn't make the trophy any less shiny.When u get one (if ever)
then we'll talk. Oh, and a Heisman too.
A 1984-BYU football team will not win NC in today's world.Recent
examples: 2008 Utah (13-0, wins over 25th ranked BYU, 18th OSU, 7th TCU, 6th
Alabama) finished 2nd ranked ; 2010 TCU (13-0) finished 2nd ranked.A
2008-Utah or 2010-TCU team would win NC in the 1980s.But not in
today's NCAA football.So deal with it, Kewgs.Don't be so
naive to say: 1984 > 2 BCS wins --> you know it can't be true.And Utah fans...we know Team A > Team B; but don't hurt your little
brothers' feelings by bragging about it.Common' people. Let's all
get along here.
RE: SoCalUtahFanPerhaps you should have left the names on for Teams
A and B so we knew who you were talking about. At first glance it looks like
Utah (A) vs. BYU (B)... but team A only had 2 wins during the regular season
against top 20 teams (both of whom were mid-majors). Otherwise you make a
pretty decent argument. I believe the 2008 Utah team was deserving of a chance
for the national title, that was a fantastic team. As for the
dissing on BYU because they played a sub-par team for the title 25 years ago...
let it go. National champion teams beat lesser teams all the time in all
sports. In fact, I believe that for the last two seasons the National champions
in basketball had to beat mid-major Butler to secure the title. That doesn't
make the trophy any less shiny.
hypothetically speaking...Team A: 13-0. Wins over 4 top-20 ranked
teams (4 or 5?)in final polls, including a bowl win over #4 final-ranked team (a
team which was ranked #1 for a big chunk of the season)Team B: 13-0.
No wins over top-25 ranked teams in final poll. Bowl win over 6-6 limpy team.I will say team A > team B.(I have removed team names for
hypothetical and fair comparison)End of discussion. I am moving
Dumbest argument ever..."BYU isn't... didn't... doesn't deserve
a National Championship."Or even better..."Since you didn't play in a BCS... or the team you beat was 6-5... or you
didn't play anyone... so your National Championship is not worthy."That's like saying gravity doesn't exist. Argue all you want. Pound
your chest about your two BCS wins and how mighty you are now in the PAC 10.2,
tell us how dumb we are to go independent, laugh at our standards and honor
code, belittle our coach, and post on our articles...The trophy sits
in our campus. Nothing you can say can change that.It will be
amazing what ute fans will say ten years from now, when the BCS is gone and
something else will have taken it's place...and ute fans will still
be saying "but we won 2 BCS games."And before you go off
and say something about BYU talking about its national championship, let me
remind you...It's a national championship! National
championship > 2 BCS wins. No matter what year they occurred.I'm
done arguing about this.I've dropped the mic, and I am walking away.
from Michigan website regarding 1984 6-5 team..."...After upsetting
top-ranked Miami in the season opener, Michigan's fortunes looked bright for
1984. But when quarterback Jim Harbaugh broke his arm against Michigan State, it
took a great effort for the Wolverines to limp to a 6-5 record..."final record for this limpy team 6-6
That would be 2008. # 2 rank nationally, they were the only undefeated DIV.1
school , but you already knew that.BTW- Coach of the Year-- Kyle
"@Whoa Nellie...how close has Utah ever been to playing a unranked
6-5 team for a so-called NC game?...you got me there."One thing is for sure, Utah nearly lost to the last 6-5 unranked team they
played, and were extremely lucky to have won by only 1 point. At least BYU
legitimately beat their 6-5 opponent! The same can't be said for Utah. BYU's
championship just as legitimate as their victory.Hpothetically
speaking, let's say back in 2004 that Utah had an option to earn $500,000 to
play USC in the championship game (and know that you will for sure lose) or play
in some BCS bowl against a different opponent (one they had a good chance of
beating) and get paid millions. Which would they choose?
@Whoa Nellie...how close has Utah ever been to playing a unranked 6-5 team
for a so-called NC game?...you got me there.
Kid reminds me of Nate Fakahafua from Highland last year. Freak athlete who can
play TE or DE. Hope he and his QB end up at Utah.
And how close has Utah ever been to a national championship game in football,
hmmmmm? Bottom line: when was the first time BYU recruited a Utah
player (or any other school's coveted athlete) while he was on a mission? Answer: It has never happened nor ever will.
@worf...I wouldn't trade 1984 for a BCS game....Not a
choice for you to make since BYU has never been even close to get a BCS game...
hedgehog | 3:54 p.m. June 28, 2011 Ann Arbor, MI I wouldn't
trade a national championship for a BCS game.
SoCalUtahFan"Bottom line: when was the last time Utah recruited
a BYU player while he was on mission?"They do it all the time,
you just don't hear about it because missionaries take one look at the MUSS and
realize that's not something they want to be a part of.
117 years of football for Utah.And not one national title, Heisman
trophy, national individual award, or college football hall of fame player? Is
that possible? I guess so when your football program didn't develop a pulse
Bottom line: when was the last time Utah recruited a BYU player while he was on
mission? I can't recall...
gdog3finallyGreat post. I agree completely with you -- especially
about the "Holy War." Who came up with that title anyhow? "Civil
War" would be better: north vs. south; brother against brother; splitting
families in their loyalties. But, then again, the word "civil" may not
be the correct description of this rivalry for some.
"A hundred forty MWC championships for the Cougs"Worf, And not one BCS game? Is that possible? I guess so.
@in stitchesIt's unfair to compare Chris Bryant to Chris B. Actually it's unfair to compare just about anyone with Chris B.@ Chris BryantYou might want to change your posting name (real or
not). You don't want to be mistaken for Chris B.@ everyone.How about rooting for your team without searching for meaning in others
follie, accomplishments, failures, and identity.This Cottonwood TE
has me a tad interested, but I haven't offered him a scholarship yet. Nothing
against him. He looks to be talented. Don't forget people, he is a young fella
still developing. So my Utes offered him a scholarship. Whatever,
they are the ones doing the scouting and evaluations. I just hope they are right
most all of the time.There are very few can't miss recruits. Maybe,
as fans we can show interest without being obsessed with guys that won't play
with our teams, if at all for years. You know, based on early offers, missions
ect...Again, it's all interesting, but why go to rivalry war about
who had the bigger steak for lunch. I love the rivalry, don't get me
wrong. But Holy War? Is one side the IRA or something?
Thanks to most of you, loved the wit today. The only angle
un-lampooned (that I can think of) is the "if your team offered him, man,
the kid's still in diapers, how young will your team recruit?" but if it's
MY team that recruited him, "great find, way to keep the pipeline full
through 2030!"Any way, sounds like he has potential and he has
his major priorities already sighted in. Here's hoping he stays health and
Adam, it's very likely, almost certain he didn't play for Cottonwood as most of
their players are out of boundary players. Congrats on the offers, now let's
see how the team does this year without a defense in a new, legit region.
@ CougarBlue | 2:11 p.m. June 28, 2011 Heber City, UT You need
DevilishUteThat was great. I love the countdown.
I don't recall facing him in Ute Conference Football. Where did he play?
Let's see, according to Ute Trolls and bloggers if BYU offers a scholarship to a
kid he must not have much talent, but if Utah offers a scholarship then he must
have talent. Which way is it Utes, you can't have it both ways. Childish comments about BYU offering after Utah. If BYU's camp would have
been before Utah's then are you also saying Utah would also just be following
@ worf | 12:17 p.m. June 28, 2011 Mcallen, TX Before we do too
much chirping, we better make sure we are atleast on the same BCS level as those
at who we are chirping. I too love the 84 National Championship but that was in
a different era. Until our beloved Cougars make it to a BCS bowl in the BCS era,
chirping really doesn't matter. Doing does.
If he wants to get to heaven and the NFL he should play for coach bronco.
To the BYU fans who are bent out of shape by the BlueNTheFace and Utah'95
comments, don't you get that they were joking?Wow, I guess a lot of
you guys are need a hug!
Mildred in Fillmore-- 100% after.---This discussion is more fun than debating
gay marriages in New York.
Riverton,My sentiments exactly. It's a slow news day at
the DNews shop if this is the top story. The kid sounds great, but he is over a
year away from making a decision on his recruitment.I am wondering
why the DNews has not started to preview the teams by position yet. In AZ's top
newspaper they've been previewing ASU by position for several weeks. After all,
the season is only 2 fast Sundays away. :)
DevilishUte,I was not saying that Utah only copycats BYU in
recruiting (nor have I ever said it); I'm only calling them out for saying that
BYU copycats Utah.I agree that it is silly. Why does it matter who
offers first? It doesn't matter at all. All that matters is who he signs with,
and that is not always an indication of which school has a better football
program (or else only the very elite would get all the best athletes).Let kids go where they want to go, then let them play the sport they love.
If the kid wants to be known as a a good TE, he should go to BYU they have
produced great tight ends for the last 20 years now, but I think defensive end
Utah is good place to show your skills, they have had some great DE's come out
of there, so I think it depends on what position the kid really wants to focus
Good luck, Siale. Hope to see you competing in the Pac 12 in the future.
@ worf | 10:45 a.m. June 28, 2011 Mcallen, TX Will that be
before or after we (BYU) make a BCS bowl? I am still waiting for that day.
@In stitcheshow so?
Utah'95,More like baby sister to the north. A hundred forty MWC
championships for the Cougs to forty nine for the utes.It'll be at
least five years before the utes make the Vegas bowl.
Chris BryantHmm... In my defense, you sound exactly like "Chris
B.," so my confusion is understandable.
DevilishUteRiverton Cougar was only responding to SoCalUtahFan who
stated in the 3rd post on the article that "Bottom line: BYU followed Utah
and made the offer to this young kid even before he is on mission." I agree with you, it is a silly argument for either side to make. Does
anyone seriously think coaches sit around and wait to see who the other coach
makes an offer to so they can copy them?I wish this young man the
best of luck in his upcoming season and in college. I think it is great to see
Utah talent get the chance to play in college.
@in stitchesgo ahead. find the last post I made in a BYU exclusive
article.I think you are confusing me with another "Chris
B", different people my friend.
Chris BryantStarfarer is annoyed by your use of half truths. As for
BYU articles: you are all over them, so don't pretend that you are only here
because it pertains to the u.Hey, I thought you all were moving onto
the self proclaimed "conference of champions." Go on then.
Riverton kewger -Does it really matter who offers first? I think
it's childish to pound your chest about offering first. It's like calling
shotgun. I did that when I was 5, but have moved on. Utah fans are
pointing out that Utah offered first on this one because BYU fans are so quick
to mention that they always offer first. Again, it doesn't really matter who
offers first. It matters who the recruit commits to and since this kid is only a
junior, it will be a long time before he makes a decision.
Chris B, Hedgie and I will wait to see what he decides before making a comment
about his talent level. If he decides to play for the Utes, he is Awesome. And
it is because the Utes rule and it is a Pac 12 school and we have been to BCS
games and that he wants to play in the Rose Bowl. If he decides to go to yBu,
then he is over rated and Utah really did not want him anyway.
Starfarer Well stated!
@Starfarerummmm this article is in both the Utah and BYU
sections.......to call it a "BYU article" is inaccurate. But then
again, you mentioned that you don't ever read the Ute section, so its
Chris BryantAnd yet he was wearied enough to respond, you mean.
I care because untruths left unchallenged are dangerous to the truth.Trolls, especially ute trolls, love to throw out half truths, and outright
falsehoods as facts. And if BYU trolls do the same on ute articles, shame on
them too.I care because BYU is where I graduated from and I won't
let some axe grinding, ankle bitter use fuzzy logic and half truths to further
their own agenda.I am happy to let the players decide who is better
on the field, and live with the consequences. There is only one game a year
where Utah is relevant to me.Like I said, I couldn't care less what
happens to the u. I don't read about them (unless the article is in the BYU
section, I don't care what their SOS, their record is or what they did in the
past. I don't care if they win a national title, but if a troll comes on the
boards, I am going to defend my University.That is what true fans
do. they don't go belittle someone else so they feel better about their
university. That's just lame. If your school is so great why
comment on BYU articles?
SoCalUtahFan and Utah'95,This is the first or second time this whole
year that I've heard of Utah making the offer before BYU. Every other time it
has been BYU offering first. For every one scenario in which Utah offers first,
I'm sure BYU fans can point to at least 3 times in which BYU made the offer then
@TJits just the drawbacks of these message boards. its amazing.
Fans on both sides who somehow find a sense of self-worth by the fact that their
school was the first to offer a particular athlete. its a sad
commentary on our society....
re BlueNtheFaceBest comment on these boards in years...thanks
BYU has a major advantage if the kid wants to be a tight end. Utah has a slight
edge because of recent success if the kid wants to be a defensive end. Hope he
chooses BYU. Their current log jam of tight ends should be about gone by the
time he is ready to play but I would love to see him play DE for BYU. He sounds
like the type of person that will succeed wherever he goes to school.I have to say that the two commenters who mentioned that Utah had offered
first so nya nya! made me laugh harder than I have for weeks. Next they will be
saying that their dad can beat mine up. BlueNTheFace;Message
received. That was by far the best post I have read for weeks. And yes I am
guilty of troll responses
@Starfacer,and yet, you cared enough to respond........
SoCalUtahFan | 6:12 a.m. June 28, 2011 Have you ever played sports?
Do you even know how all these things work? It cracks me up that you want so
badly to bang on BYU that you see what you want to see, not what is real.Go back and look at BYU offers. they don't offer most of the time until
camps. So BYU's camp was later, what's your point...Oh that's right,
you just wanted to find someway to jab at BYU.I bet the majority of
players most college teams offer scholarships to have other scholarship offers.
They come at all different times.It is wearisome that utey trolls
just can't let BYU go. I am completely apathetic about the U and couldn't care
less, where they go and what they do.Why do you care so much about
I like your style BlueNtheFace, but you forgot to point out that Utah made an
offer to the recruit FIRST, meaning that BYU is just following what their big
brothers to the north are doing.Anyway, congratulations, Siale!
Good luck with your upcoming seasons, and hope to see you in red someday.Now, let's get back to the inevitable National Championship, BCS Bowl,
Heisman Trophy, Pac-12 invitation, ESPN partnership, team athleticism, stadium
Bottom line: BYU followed Utah and made the offer to this young kid even before
he is on mission.
A refreshing attitude. I wish we could seal him away from the hype so he could
choose where "he" wants to go and not where others want him to go. If
he never reads these blogs he will be a better man for it.
Congratulations to Siale and his family. Given the cost of a college education
and his two current options this is a great opportunity for him to further his
education. I think we all can learn from his attitude and respect for both the
RED and the BLUE. We fans, more than the players and coaches, sometimes forget
what real sportsmanship is.
I hope he picks my favorite school because then I can find validation through
this small recruiting victory over my rival school. I need this affirmation in
my life as I didn't do that well as a youth or young adult and I now live
through these young student/athletes.Go Team!!;)
Sounds like a great kid. Good luck to Siale and the Colts this year.