@ Chris BryantI concur ! He'll do a lot of this type of backpedaling
as the year progresses. Remember the saying , " I refuse to have a
battle of the wits with an unarmed person ". Doesn't that remind you of our
lol, you really have to laugh at the desperation of Duckhunter....
@ Duhkunter Not on your best day. What's to prove that your
illiterate with blindfold bias ? You do a good enough job of proving that
yourself. You don't need me to spell it out for you. This is a Utah Ute
article and once you asked me to let you know if the Utes draft a quarterback.
Wilson is rated higher than Magneson by 2 % points--78% Wilson, 76 %
Dukunter; Not on your best day.
@failstormDo I need to repost the definition of "seldom"?
Plus you know I love that you have an entire Duckhunter folder. LOL!
Who is the obsessive one again? Also what is it you are going to try to prove
with that quote? Murphy left because he couldn't handle the competition, do you
think you are going to somehow prove otherwise? And the others, well what are
you going to prove there? I am in your head.LOL!
@ Duhkunter " Obviously Dale Murphy's son saw that he had no
chance so he transferred to a school that has no real competition for his
position because they've never had good players at that position. And the 380 pound fatty is a walkon for a reason, no one wanted to give him a
scholarship. He even waited a few extra weeks to see if one would emerge and it
never happened so he settled on the place that would let him walk on. And the other guy from some school no one has ever heard of in Pennsylvania is
a transfer that once again seemed to wait around for better offers and didn't
get any so a month after the fact he took one from Utah. When you said
that you had a parent that was a BYU professor, and that you had taken college
classes at UVU why is it no one taught you to spell or capitalize ? These
quotes are just one of 13 I have saved of yours so that when the season starts
you can eat your words. Obsessive ? Just to the point of proof that you just run
on emotion and blue blooded blindness.
@truecoug1"Ah the classic Ute fallback, the whole "we get
more money than you" drop"We Ute fans will stop mentioning
the whole making more money than the Y thing as soon as Cougar fans stop
bringing up their precious ESPN appearances every other post. Deal? I didn't
re: bigsoccor: Isaid nothing about Mormons?? Your comment makes no sense
@kanklesHere is my exact statement."I seldom
comment on recruits for either school"Seldom means "not
often, infrequently or rarely". It does not mean "at no time, not in
any degree or not under any condition" as that is the definition of
'never'.Of course that overlooks the fact I did not comment about
any recruit in my post. LOL!
@ Duckhunter | 1:44 p.m. June 26, 2011 Highland, UT I thought
you didn't comment on articles about teams' recruits?
@trucoug1"True, in 3 years you will be making more money than
BYU..."Actually that is not a given at all. BYU already out did
utah in revenue by around 50%, or about 15 million per year. Even if the most
optimistic of projections occur and utah increases their revenue by 30 million
it will probably at best allow them to catch up to BYU, or else be slightly
ahead or slightly behind.BYU's revenue is also increasing and
although the numbers haven't been confirmed they should be making 10+ mil on
theit football tv deal and a million or so on their basketball deal. Plus they
are getting game payouts for the games they are playing around the country and
they are currently exploring options to generate revenue from BYUtv broadcasts.
It isn't stretching it to guess their revenue is increasing by 10-15 mil per
year.At best this is now simply catching up for utah and they are
way behind in facilities so they have alot more they need to spend than BYU
@SouthernUtahUteAh the classic Ute fallback, the whole "we get
more money than you" drop. True, in 3 years you will be making more money
than BYU...unfortunately, money doesn't buy recruits. Oh wait, I guess in this
day and age it might. You have a point, when Utah finally gets paid in full
you'll be able to afford the kind of athletes that Oregon, USC, Ohio St, etc.
have been buying :) Power to ya, man.Seriously, though, BYU doesn't
need the money. We already have state-of-the-art facilities, including a world
class indoor facility, top notch weight rooms, the best broadcasting building in
the country and our own HD truck...all without being a part of a PAC 12
contract. I'm happy for Utah, though...when they become full fledged members of
the PAC 12, they can finally start catching up to their big brothers down
south!"Tell me, what does independence offer that even comes
close to this?"Two words: 'ESPN' and 'exposure'. Utah's 2
wonderful BCS wins have earned them 1 game on ESPN this year. BYU, by contrast,
is on 7 games and even Colorado is on 2. Oh the irony! :)
@ truecoug1And with all the success the U has had, we will still be
getting a bigger pay out every year than you will every three or four combined.
(Granted we won't get the full pay out for a few years, bummer). Better
recruits, better facilities, the possibility of a conference championship game
in Salt Lake, Oregon, Oregon State, Arizona, UCLA, Stanford coming to town. Tell
me, what does independence offer that even comes close to this? OH, your games
will be on KBYU. I tend to forget things that don't matter.Face it,
BYU in the modern era has not even come close to what Utah has done in football.
There is no denying it. Independence was a second choice after you didn't get an
invite to any major conference. But why would that happen? I thought your '84
championship got you enough respect to carry you through anything? Oh right, it
wasn't in this century.Yeah, Utah's basketball program is in a very
bad slump and every Utah fan knows it. Just remember don't kick someone when
they are down, because you'll never know what they will be like when they get
@SouthernUtahUte "Hmmm.... How can any BYU fan claim that Utah is or will
be irrelevant? A team that has won two BCS bowls, posted two undefeated seasons
in the last seven years, a #2 ranking, and an invite to a BCS
conference."And yet, for some reason, with all this
"success" the U has had, they have now become so relevant that their
biggest PAC 12 game in the upcoming season(against USC) is being shown on Versus
(woohoo, it's like being in the MWC all over again :) and their only game on
ESPN is being shown when they play (gasp) BYU? How did that
happen?(sigh) Poor Utah...they finally get invited to the "big
boy" table and yet find themselves stuck in the high chair. Ah well,
there's always basketball, right? Oh...never mind :)Go Cougars!
Hmmm.... How can any BYU fan claim that Utah is or will be irrelevant? A team
that has won two BCS bowls, posted two undefeated seasons in the last seven
years, a #2 ranking, and an invite to a BCS conference. If any of
you Cougs and tell me how many of those you have had in the last quarter of a
century, I would be more than happy to hear it. Oh wait, that would be
impossible! LOL.Unless BYU fans are psychic (which some are positive
they are) don't try to predict Utah's future in an actual BCS conference, it
makes you look stupid.
@VegasUte "It's all good!! I am going nuts waiting for football!! This is a
good distraction." Amen to that, brother. September cannot
come fast enough!"I have had a LOT of practice dealing with my
y loving family. I don't say anything here that I don't say to my own family ..
yes, even my MOM."Haha, I like it...does your mom dish out the
smack talk, too? Gotta love it, man...it's what makes this rivalry so great!Go Cougs!
@ PAC 12 loves U Yes they are !
"Prized QB recruit likes what Utes have to offer..."but
not enough to give a resounding "I plant my flag here" commitment.aka... I reserve the right to change my mind before I sign the
Is byu egocentric enough to declare July 4th their Independence Day?
Since the state of Utah has declared July 1st as "Utah Pac-12 Day"
Will byu celebrate their "Irrelevence Day", I mean Independence Day?
BYU fans talk in what if's, where as the rest of the country talks what is.
truecoug1: It's all good!! I am going nuts waiting for football!! This is a
good distraction. I have had a LOT of practice dealing with my y loving family.
I don't say anything here that I don't say to my own family .. yes, even my
MOM. Go Utes!! Glad you kitties are enjoying yourself on the Big
Sorry WHAT NOW? Didn't mean to include you in the above - meant to include
SPgoofy! My bad!Go Utes!
@ truecoug1: Funny how you get ONE player and suddenly you become a basketball
school? THAT is hilarious! History proves the y has no basketball history -
now they are going to the WCC boneyard! LOL! When you find out what a Gael is,
let me know!! I must say though that you will have fun at the Portland Pilots -
I heard they have a bazaar and a raffle on the gym floor after the games! FUN!
There might even be funnel cakes! YIPEE!BTW - you won't catch me on
the blue blogs, nothing of interest there and I don't have to go there to make
myself feel better. I have enough fun watching the kittens flock to Red
Corner!Great to be a Ute!! Love the Crimson!
@VegasUtes "How are you guys going to celebrate University of Utah day on
July 1? Let me know when the state holds a celebration for Team
Irrelevant"What's happening on July 1st? Are you saying that
that's the day the U's becoming "Team Irrelevant"? Then I'm going to
be cheering loud in the streets with everyone else in the state! The U's always
been irrelevant, it's nice that the state is finally recognizing it. Yeah,
woohoo, go Utes!:)I like you, VegasUte...you've got some
good posts on here.Go Cougars!
@VegasUte " Face it, there is only ONE team in Utah that has a rich NCAA
tourney history, and it aint the y."Did you just throw out a
Utah BASKETBALL reference? Hilarious! I didn't realize the Utes still had a
basketball team...oh wait, you must have been referring to the U Women's team
who actually made the NCAA tourney this year. Good job with that :)Let's face it, I think both us BYU and Utah fans are bored waiting for
football season to start in the fall and we both have to amuse ourselves by
going on each other's article comment boards and laying down the smack talking.
It is rather entertaining :)Go Cougars!
@ joecoog, WHAT NOW?, Bitterman, LonestarRunner & truecoug1:How
are you guys going to celebrate University of Utah day on July 1? Let me know
when the state holds a celebration for Team Irrelevant for you move
backwards!Go Utes!! Onward and Upward!!
@ Bitter, bitterman: Did you just throw out a Sean Covey reference? Hilarious!
Wasn't he one of the long line of "next greatest" QBs at the y (not
unlike hypes and magnum)? Too funny. I was at the Orange Bowl at Covey's last
start when Miami destroyed him. It will be nice to watch hypes get destroyed in
all the non-WAC games this year like Covey got destroyed at Miami! Who knows,
we may get to watch hypes get destroyed by USU - AGAIN! @
LonestarRunner: "I'll bet you haven't spent 10 minutes talking smack on the
blogs of any of those teams." Uh ... this is Red Roundup, not blue corner.
Talking smack on someone elses blog seems to be your gig!Great to
be a Ute! Love all you kitties visiting our blogs!!
Just read something interesting.OL carreer starts returningBYU 10th
107Utah 65th 63Most important unit other than quarterback(and those
touting the elite 11 apparence of wilson, our quarterback not only went but was
mvp so if you say your boy is impressive what do you say about heaps.)Percent of offensive yards returningBYU 7th. 94.44Utah 90th
48.92Thats great for you guys that you won last year but this year
is different. You won by 1 point at your own stadium to one of the youngest
teams in the country (phil steele ranked them 111th last year). Who knows, you
could win again this year but if you look at who is returning for both teams you
got to like the cougars or your just being silly.
@7:59The issue was tall, lanky, cumbersome, slow.Covey,
Fetrick (sic), Shoemaker and Wynn were/are tall (at least 6'5'), lanky?If you want to change the topic, fair enough.Studs?Jim
McMahon, Steve Young, Ty Detmer.A 1st round draft pick every
year?Name an OC with that on their resume.
PAC 12 is the real Confrence of Quarterbacks
What now?Dont forget John Walsh, Sean Covey, Kevin Fetrick, Paul
Shoemaker, Brad Otten, Ben Olsen..... Jordan Wynn?For every stud
Chow coached he has had more than one dud....
Wallbanger"Who is BYU? I can't seem to remember who they
are...I'm too busy getting to know such teams as USC, Oregon, Arizona,
UCLA"I'd bet the ranch that without looking it up, you couldn't
name the 2001 starting quarterbacks for USC, Oregon, Arizona, and UCLA... andI'll bet you haven't spent 10 minutes talking smack on
the blogs of any of those teams.
@3:15"...It takes guts to publish your ideal, even if you did
not succeed...".No one, in Utah or any red state, for that
matter, gives President Obama "props" for "guts", for
publishing less tham 8% unempolyment and than failing to succeed. In fact, they
use that information to mock him.@5:18"too tall,
lanky, cumbersome, and slow to run a Norm Chow West Coast
Conference...".Norm Chow was the OC for:Matt
Leinart 6'5" 2006 1st round 10th pick.Phillip Rivers
6'5" 2004 1st round 4th pick.Carson Palmer 6'5" 2003 1st
round 1st pick.Seems like Coach Chow has had some success with tall,
lanky, cumbersome, slow QB's.
Scout.com on Travis WilsonStrengths: SizeAreas for
Improvement: Arm Strength, Accuracy/Consistency, ReleaseBasically,
he's a big guy who can't throw. You Ute fans are right, this is a step up for
you...most of your QB's are SMALL guys who can't throw :) By the
way, before the Elite 11 camp he was ranked the 16th QB by Scouts.com...he's now
RE: SPGOOFY If Travis played his high school football in Idaho he
would be a top 10 QB. LAst time I checked IDaho prep football is still
Let's just assume that Tavis Wilson is actually committed to Utah. The bottom
line is that he's too tall, lanky, cumbersome, and slow to run a Norm Chow West
Coast Offense, and the Ute's defense will have to bail him out time and time
again over the next couple of years. The good side of this is that Utah landed
a guy by the name of Chase Hansen- who has the athleticism to run the Utes
offense. I guess Travis can fill if Chase is on a mission.
bballjunkie: "It must be great to be a ute!"Why yes it is,
thank you!! This is proven by the fact that this is "Red Roundup" and
all the lonely kittens are flocking here to feel better!"wait
till basketball season starts"Really? Without Jimmer, where is
the y going to be? Back to the "one and done" years in the NCAA?
Still the only team with as many tourney appearances and NO final four
appearance? Back to the miserable losing record in the tourney? Face it, there
is only ONE team in Utah that has a rich NCAA tourney history, and it aint the
y. Wait til next year - when you can play the Pilots and the Dons and the Gaels
and the Toreros, you know, all the major teams! Wait til basketball season when
you can play ball in Jr. High School gyms!Thanks again for proving
how GREAT it is to be a Ute!The future is bright, the future is
crimson!! Get Used to it!
@DevilishUte and Chiro Are you guys really looking to ESPN for your recruiting
info? You guys must be new to this. That's why sites like scout and
rivals exist. ESPN does a very poor job outside their top 150 recruits. It's
time to get with the program. You know you're in the PAC 12 now right?
You've quoted Rivals. Now let's quote ESPN.Devil ute,Not
only that, ESPN rates 6 of Utahs 9 commits higher than the bYu "crown
SPgoofyft,You didn't read the article on the Wilson kid did you?
Here's a quote, "Before he hits the field with his teammates in San
Clementes first home game of the season against Cabrillo of Long Beach on
September 2, Wilson is scheduled to showcase his skills at the Elite 11 Camp at
the University of Pepperdine at the end of July. The camp features the top 11
quarterbacks in the nation working through passing drills and their
mechanics." So yes, Utah's recruit is a top 11 QB.
Rivals has not updated their website for over a month now. ESPN updated their
site one week ago,post Elite camp which included both Wilson and Mangum, and
currently Wilson is the number 36 QB in the country and Mangum is the 72 QB.Playing football in California is a better competition than Idaho,
Wilson is the better QB at 6'6" 220lbs. When they competed against each
other at the camp Wilson drew high praise. Go UtahPS
your beloved Heaps took you to a 7-6 record, ha ha
Who is BYU? I can't seem to remember who they are...I'm too busy getting to know
such teams as USC, Oregon, Arizona, UCLA and so on. Can't wait for the season to
start. First season in the Pac 12 may be a little rough, but as time goes by,
players develop and we get our new offense down, things will be awesome! Can you
imagine Utah playing Oregon or Stanford at Rice-Eccles for the Conference
Championship game? The possibilities are endless. It is, a GREAT time to be a
SPgoofyftYou've quoted Rivals. Now let's quote ESPN.Travis Wilson Star Rating - 3 starGrade = 78National Ranking
= 36Tanner MangumStar Rating = 3Grade = 75National
Ranking = 75Who's laughing now? Seems like there is a bigger gap
between the two recruits on ESPN. I thought ESPN loved Yners.....
Just to clarify about my last comment. Tanner Mangum has already committed to
BYU. And yes, he knows that Utah is in the PAC 12 now.@MormonUte
BYU's commit is a top 11 QB, not Utah's. Sorry buddy, maybe next time.
Hey is this the same kid they landed that had a much higher ranking than he does
now? The one that all Ute fans said was so much better than the kid BYU
landed?I can't wait till Sept and we don't hear from ute fan for
about a week,(after cougars destroy them). Then we can pick it back up a week
later and hear how great the pac 12 really is, and how Utah is the premere team
in the state or wait till basketball season starts, thats always a good one.It must be great to be a ute!
Travis WilsonRating - 3 starsNational Ranking - 16Tanner Mangum Rating - 4 starsNational ranking - 9*source- rivals.com (where Utah has their recruiting site)
gonefishinUtah! maybe, if they can finish in the top 1/3 of the PAC for a
few years and get to one of the top 3 PAC bowls.
"Nearly every person I spoke with about football knew and respected BYU
football. Your team; not so much."tj,As a Mormon
I'm sure the majority of your football conversations were with other Mormons and
the few that werent... they were just trying to avoid an awkward conversation
(sorry to break it to you). I will agree that when people think Utah..they
think mormon and thus BYU (Has nothing to do with football success).
Chase Hansen from Lone Peak will become a back-up and only play in mop-up games.
To bad as he is a good kid. Come to think of it, he probably wont play at all as
there won't be any mop up games.
@ DevilishUte | 2:47 p.m. June 23, 2011 Tempe, AZ Plus the
Soccermom never makes any sense. He doesn't know who coaches whom, which
players are playing for which team nor can he figure out for whom he cheers.
Once again Red Roundup served with a BIG saucer of milk!! Here kitty, kitty,
kittens!!Man is it GREAT to be a Ute!!For all of you
still routing for Team Irrelevant, don't feel too bad, the Portland Pilots and
ST. Mary Gaels don't feel respected either. You'll be in good company! Way to
re: BlueSaint | 12:10 p.m. June 23, 2011 Ahhh! The textbook
definition of myopic.
Dear Williary even you would Criticize and make fun of Christ when he asked us
to be perfect like Him and His Father in Heaven. I guess Utah never
planned on winning each game. Maybe it was just pure dumb luck that they did
it. The coaches must be clueless as to how they achieved it. Oh, I forgot, it
was the Mighty MUSS that won every single game and not the players. It takes
guts to publish your ideal, even if you did not succeed.
Tj"It would be great to have two nationally relevent football teams
in Utah to follow"I agree completely, the only question is who will
eventually be the 2nd relevent team Utah State or BYU?
willarieYou forgot:National championshipsHeismansDoak
WalkersAll American QB'sPeople outside the home state knowing who
you are.etc. etc. etc. Once again, your fantasy is BYU's
reality.I have lived outside Utah for many years in some of the most
die-hard football fan areas of the country. I have also travelled all over the
U.S. Some people think the only football team in Utah is BYU. Nearly every
person I spoke with about football knew and respected BYU football. Your team;
not so much.
Not too bad for the receives. They only have nothing to show but improvement
from 11th place out of 12 teams to maybe 10th place.
Big Soccermom- It's pretty obvious that you're a BYU fan. All of
your comments, regardless of topic, have a Yner factor to them.
InsideView | 1:38 p.m. June 23, 2011 Draper, UT Why does it
automatically assume I am a BYU fan? All these people pre judgements, no wonder
mormons get such a bad wrap.
" . . . Im pretty firm with this commitmentpretty sure that Im 100 percent
in wanting to go to Utah," HA HA. Classic.
I have no problem with Utah's receiving corp being ranked 11th. Given that
there is 1 returning receiver with significant experience, I think that is fair.
That being said, I think there is a ton of receiving talent from DVC to Reggie
Dunn, add RS freshmen Kenneth Scott and Dre Anderson, not to mention Dexter
Ransom and Anthony Denham. Hopefully Wynn's healthy enough, and the guys can
work together enough to get the timing down, because the talent appears to be
there on paper.
re: bigsoccor: "Utah irrelevant" all I have to say is "Utah
State", let's see, who did they beat (or destroy) last year?
This is a great committment for the Utes and proves we can compete in recruiting
with other PAC-12 schools. This kid is ranked as one of the top 11 QB's in the
Some of you need to read the article more carefully. Wilson didn't say he
thought Norm Chow was the head coach. The writer of the article said that. So
the sports writer in San Clemente doesn't know who Utah's head coach is, big
"Sounds like Travis isn't quite sure what "100%" means"Coug,Nothing is 100 percent....even after signing the LOI. (
see Jake Murphy)
Sounds like Travis isn't quite sure what "100%" means. "Im pretty
firm with this commitmentpretty sure that Im 100 percent in wanting to go to
Utah".That being said, I hope the Utes land him, and he pans
out as a player.
I wouldn't be the first time a athlete doesn't know who the head coach is on a
1984 for life | 11:49 a.m. June 23, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT You
really think I think Chow is the head coach, wow you need to go back to 1983
before you were born, oh and Utah was irrelevant than as they are now.
"On the other hand it beats giving the roundup the headline "Utah has
eleventh best recievers in a twelve team conference"That would
have been both hilarious and accurate but we wouldnt want the crimson colored
blindfolds...er...glasses to break before play starts right? And you guys think
Harmon is a homer...."--Quote from Bitterman.Accurate? You do realize this is an article projecting Utah's recieving
corp---not actual statistics from a season that's yet to be played? Intersting
this article profiled the "have-nots" and there was no mention of WSU.
Yes, Harmon is a homer, Dirk is a homer, and *surprise* the Moscow-Pullman paper
has homers. I'm guessing you can't see it this way.I'm not so sure
I'd be worried what glasses others are wearing...
I am sure he knows who the head coach is. It was the newspaper writing that, not
a quote from him.
If BYU didn't offer him, He doesn't matter!
@TJBeing on TV does not equal national relevance.Winning
football games, getting to BCS bowls, and winning BCS bowls, makes you relevant
to college football fans across the country.Walk outside a wardhouse
anywhere outside of Utah, and college football fans think The Jimmer is a BYU
football player! That's what they know about BYU football.
@TJI'd check the Deseret Industries. Be sure to check behind the
huge pile of "Quest For Perfection" t-shirts.Imagine,
someone like TJ calling Utah fans homers!The guy who thinks Dick
"Cougar Club" Harmon is an unbiased observer!
All trolling aside, I hope this kid sticks with his choice and has a fantastic
career at Utah. It would be great to have two nationally relevent football teams
in Utah to follow.
Maxie:Please let your buddies over on the story about Hanneman know of
your preference for coach evaluations. While I agree with you (For once), they
seem to think it is all about the stars and offers.
Where can I get some red colored glasses that block out everything blue and have
blinders on the sides. Surely crisb,devilute,patriot and maxie will know.
@ bigsoccer | 11:30 a.m. June 23, 2011 Syracuse, UT"I
thought Norm Chow was the head coach." Not suprising, you also thought
Brian Blechen had left the team.
For all of the people who can't read good and need to go to the center for kids
who can't read good, you need to realize that the writer reported inaccurately
with Norm Chow as the head coach, not the student athlete. Good job guys. High
fives all around.
Bitter boy - Your name aptly describes you. You sound bitter and
jealous about being left behind, UNINVITED.I don't really put a lot
of weight in the Moscow-Pullman News, the source you're referring to for the WR
Utah - predictably - is getting its best recruit year ever. Top notch athletes
see Utah as a great place to play and go to school. Away from the fast LA life
yet still part of the pac 12 conference. I think the U is going to attract alot
of kids - especially parents - who want their kids in a safer and more wholesome
environment compared to LA or Seattle or even Tempe. Salt Lake is much better
than any of the above.
I thought Norm Chow was the head coach.
Personally, I believe the coaches are a better judge of players than scout or
rivals ratings, but for the characters who are always touting stars and trying
to stay relevant despite their WAC schedule and legacy of slow, white defensive
backs and receivers, this kids has 3 stars on each publication.
You mean that the kid who committed months ago likes his choice? Astonishing.On the other hand it beats giving the roundup the
headline "Utah has eleventh best recievers in a twelve team
conference"That would have been both hilarious and accurate but
we wouldnt want the crimson colored blindfolds...er...glasses to break before
play starts right? And you guys think Harmon is a homer....
Myabe Whit should talk to this kid, he thinks Norm Chow is the offensive guru
and the head coach. Might change his mind when he finds the truth.
The future of football in Utah, is Utah