Someone screening the comments on this article is a little too sensitive to
having his Utes critiqued.A very odd screening process indeed.
This kids headed out of state to a big time program like Texas, Florida, OU
Why is it unethical to offer a scholarship to a sophomore or even an 8th grader?
It should be honor that a University is willing to commit to offer a scholarship
to someone so young and great opportunity for that individual. I see nothing
wrong with it.
hedgehog,I would suspect that a non-LDS kid living in Utah is much,
much more likely to be a Utah fan rather than a BYU fan. That would be a simple
reason as to why there are not many instate LDS kids. Besides, most of the
football talent (as with most of the population of the state) is in the Salt
Lake/Provo/Ogden area, and most kids are LDS. There aren't many non-LDS kids in
Utah period, much less non-LDS athletes. That pool is so small, and most of
them would want to go to the U of U anyway.
Re: Idablu It does sound a little crazy but David Sill the 8th
grader you mentioned is a six foot 8th grader and is the startung QB on the
Varsity team. Plus this kid has been working with QB guru Steve Clarkson. This
kid will be a big time recruit by the time he enters his senior year. AAU teams
and other club teams that you see everywhere nowadays is clearly for the player
to get looked at by colleges.
@FlashbackI remember reading an article recently about USC
approaching an 8th grade QB and offering him a scholarship. Not only do I think
that is unethical, I think it is insane!I think recruiting a kid
after their Junior year is fine, since most kids are already making decisions as
to where they are going by Fall of their senior year.
Don't do USU. It would stink to play for a team that is essentially like a JV
squad for UofU.
Cooper, good luck to you no matter where you go. It looks like you have talent
so work hard and make the most out of it.
Approaching a kid as a sophomore? That should be banned. Let them go to high
school and recruit them after they are done playing their senior year.
rivertonkewg,I simply asked if bYu has had any non lds INSTATE
players. I would suspect the percentage is much lower than out of state. I'd be
willing to bet (heavy) that Cooper has zero interest in bYu....he's just being
"just wondering how many (if any) instate non lds players have attended
byu?"hedgehog,You yourself have spoken many times
of the disadvantage BYU will have in recruiting because of its LDS culture (it's
"their" church's school, so they have an attatchment to it). You
often laugh at BYU recruits saying they are subpar and wanted to go to the Y
because it is an LDS school and not because it has a good football program
(because in your mind nobody would go to BYU for football).However,
here we have a non-LDS kid considering BYU (as well as some non-LDS players
already on the team, such as Drew Phillips, JJ Di Luigi, and Cody Hoffman).
What does that mean? If they aren't drawn to BYU because it is their church's
school, then they must be attracted to the football program!Wait!
This creates a contradiction.... BYU has no good football program, yet people
consider going (and many go) because it has a good football program. Which is
If this kid stays in the state hes going to Utah, BYU would be a good fit for
Batemen but BYU has plenty of quarterbacks to choose from. Who would not want to
go to Stanford, great education. Ole Miss is too far away and a long ways for
his parents to travel.Utah State has no shot at him. BYU fans should be happy for him no matter where he goes, and wish him the
best of luck and vice versa for Utah fans if he were to choose BYU
All this stuff about going to Stanford. If you haven't lived the lifestyle of
California and Palo Alto/Menlo Park you are in for a rude awakening of the
outside world. Was on campus during the days of John Elway. Utah kids are not
prepared for that type of outside of Utah experience. Stanford is a fantastic
scholastic school but not the kind of school most Utah kids can transfer to.
Keep it simple stupid is the best advice I ever received. And yes I
remember Jim McMahon. I placed a helmet in his backside. Wish I knew who I was
tackling in High School. Would of hit him harder.
Once utah is crushed by both USC and BYU in September, this kid will shy away
from the hill.
I think the young man would look great in Utah Crimson and the PAC would be a
great showcase for his talents.
Colby Bockwoldt and Dan Coats are the last non-LDS BYU players that I can
remember coming from Utah.
Man, when I was a sophomore, all I could think about was passing my driver's
test. This kid's gonna make a trip to Ole Miss.It's too early.
For those who did not get past the 2nd page...A lot of my friends
are Mormon, and down at BYU, they have great people there, great people to be
around. I really like their coaching staff. I love Coach Doman, and BYU is an
offer Ill definitely consider.
DevilishUte | 4:58 p.m. June 21, 2011 Tempe, AZ Careful. The
soccer mom will throw out some random name. He's still thinks Blechen has left
I agree Stanford is your best decision. Even though it would be good to see the
kid play for Utah.
Soccer Mom - Jimothy McMahon played in the early 80's and is not
from Utah, although he did play at RHS. I think the Hog is looking for a more
hedgehog | 4:12 p.m. June 21, 2011 Ann Arbor, MI "just
wondering how many (if any) instate non lds players have attended byu?"Have you ever heard of Jim Mcmahon?
Go to Stanford if you can. That is my advice regardless of football.
Seems like a good kid, with good parents, and good perspective. Props to the
state of Utah for another good student and football player! No wonder he has
offers from BYU, Utah, and Utah State. Hope he continues to represent the state
well wherever he decides to go, even if it isn't quarterback U. Go Cougs!
Norm Chow needs to stick around somewhere for more than the 2 1/2 years he has
been averaging since he left BYU in 1999. He really needs to show that he can
make it through the hard times though I know the last 2 times it wasnt his
choice to leave. You always hear that the best predictor of future behavior is
past behavior. I hope for all of these kids that are going to the U to learn
from this offensive genius that he doesnt leave them high and dry in 2 or 3
years (or worse get fired). The guy did wonders with both Carson Palmer and
just wondering how many (if any) instate non lds players have attended byu?
Go West to Stanford. That degree is worth an extra million over a lifetime over
all the other colleges and you will be hired right away from better firms. If football is your only decision, come play for the Utes.
forreal people, painful trying to make sense of your post...painful.
Re: ZonaZone, this first year is critical for both BYU and the ewes. Do well
and the future looks bright. BYU gets a lot of recruits who will sign
irrgardless of the win/loss record because they are LDS and want to go to BYU.
But, if we can't win consistently as an independent we will lose out on recruits
who want to play for a winning program or who are looking for a ticket to the
NFL. Same goes for Utah if they turn out to be an AU/ASU/WSU clone.
If you can't spell you likely can't reason...know what I mean forreal people?
According to Utah fans, who regularly comment on BYU articles, anyone who is
offered a scholarship by BYU must be a second class athlete. Wait, just a
minute Utah offered him a scholarship. Wow, I guess they are also looking at
second class athletes. I used the same logic Hedgie and Chris B and
Norm will not be around when this kid is ready for any college. Come back
in two or three years and then see who's all fired up to take him. Way too
I am very curious how Utah will do in the Pac 12. I think they can compete right
away, but if the prove to be non-competitive for the first few years, they could
easily end up being another Washington State. But if they can compete, and the
door is open for them to do so with USC on probation, they could build some
momentum and build the program up as a perennial Top 10 team.
Seems like "forreal" needs to "get real". Switch every reference to BYU with Utah (and vice versa)and the comment is
equally fitting.That aside, good luck to this kid, where ever he
Should have been GOOD LUCK I got interrupted.
Re: forreal people. Strange, strange comment. What an unreal world to live in!
We win some, we lose some. Some we lose by bad luck and some you lose by bad
luck. What's the big deal?
forreal people @ 1:57look who is calling the kettle blackand Utah
and Utah State fans say he is slow and cant play or he would have gone to the
anywhere else. So what is the difference? sounds like a good kid NO matter what
good luke to him whereever he goes.
Hedgie,So you just discount everything he says about BYU? Way he
lying? You can't admit that he is considering BYU, so you just tell everyone
that he is not telling the truth when he says he is seriously considering it?forreal people 1:57 p.mNice tirade, but I haven't the
foggiest idea what your point is.Ute fans make the same exact
comments you say BYU fans make, just look at hedgie, Chris B and the rest.
Boards are not made up of the "biritest tuls in the sched." (By the
way, next time use spell check. It's those little red lines under the words you
typed that were misspelled.)So, I think you must be intellectually
dishonest, confused, and have a reality/logic block mechanism in your brain.
BYU fans never fail to make the "it's a smart choice to go to Utah if he
wants to play" comment. It's second only to the "BYU didn't want him
any way comment (see Harvey Langi)>"They only pull that card
if BYU either lost a recruit to Utah, or lossing the recruit appears likely. So in other words: To a Y fan, BYU can't lose, ever. They can't ever
loos a recruiting battle or a football game. When they loose football games (see
Utah vs BYU 2010), the fans say they won and provide endless reasons as to why
the won. Boy does that style of fandom get old. It is evidence that
you can always assume a BYU fan is intilectually dishonest, confused, and have a
reality/logic block mechanism in their brains.I'm not sure if it
will ever set in that Utah is winning the recruiting battle with it's bitter
rival only 30 miles away. Even if all the evidence proves it, and all the
football fans thinks so.
"Bateman is not LDS, but has lived his entire life in Utah"Weber State has a better chance then Byu for this kid.
Won't be long before he gets an offer from Washington, Oregon, USC, Florida,
Ohio State, LSU and Tennessee. They usually look at kids that have Utah offers
and try to steal them. Since he's not LDS BYU is probably a long shot to get
this kid. I doubt he rides the pines where ever he ends up. Have a great Junior
Does Norm Chow plan on coaching as long as Joe Paterno? An interesting
perspective from a kid who may not see a snap under Norm for 4 years. It is
better to commit to the place you feel most comfortable rather than people,
because coaching staffs change and change often.
williary | 1:02 p.m. June 21, 2011 Kearns, UT Leave Duckhuner
alone. He won't be commenting on this article since he doesn't comment about
"theyre going into the Pac-12, they have Norm Chow there to coach me, and
Ive always loved their program.This looks like a copy and paste from
the previous articles of Utah commits.
Why would anyone want to sit the bench for the Y. How many quarterbacks do they
need anyways? Ask Riley Nelson. If you want a wife go to the Y. If you want to
play go to the U or USU.Sounds like your parents made a wise choice.
As Duckhunter would point out, the first team to offer was Utah, so clearly BYU
is just tagging along taking advantage of the Ute coaches talent evaluation.
Get after Aggies!!
If Stanford offers and a kid has the grades, why wouldn't he go? Hope to see him
at Utah though.
You have to think he will grow a little more before college also. It will be
interesting to see how well he does the next couple of years.
It's very early and he clearly hasn't made up his mind. Sounds like a good kid
though. good luck wherever you decide.