@John Adams: Right on! The New Testament says 'ye shall know them by their
fruits'. It says evil people cannot bring forth positive fruits of the Spirit
because that means you have a house divided against itself. If you see an
honest politician ( I know, oxymoron) who has values you admire and stands for
the same ideals you hold dear, then leave the darn religion or race card out of
the equation and simply vote for that person whether they are Jew, Muslim,
Catholic, or Protestant, white, black or green. Is that asking so much?
Pagan Many thanks, much appreciated.Redshirt1701 Liberals promote
big gov't? Explain current conservative state legislatures on voting and
abortion. Or tax breaks and subsidies. FYI - that is gov't regulation. Re: Benson - You unintentionally contradicted your point. If greed,
selfishness, and covetousness are condemned, social welfare programs serve to
mitigate said condemnations. Also, democrats don't promote class warfare, we
think everyone should play fair. Why are republicans so afraid of competing?
Finally, idleness is your problem, not ours. Liberal states make more money,
work longer hours, pay more in federal taxes, are less obese, own more small
businesses, among many other indicators, when compared to conservative
counterparts. Re: Widstow - Consult a dictionary. He is referring
to liberalism in religion ie reformation of religious principles. He later
clarifies "[i]t is folly to speak of a liberal religion, if that religion
claims that it rests upon unchanging truth." Re: Maxwell He is
correct, willingness to live by a certain standard is always the best option.
Hence the purely socialistic Law of Consecration. Regardless,
those quotes are from men. Our Church teaches principles that are pro-choice,
pro-environment, pro-civil liberties, and pro-democratic. All things republicans
oppose tooth and nail.
"Romney needs to get said Nomination to keep running. Said nomination hopes
will die in the South just like last time"I disagree. Romney
doesn't need to win a single red state to get the nomination. He needs to get
the Obama states. What buried him last time was that he lost too many blue state
primaries to McCain.
"We're just going to have to wait for the "Bible Belt" primaries
to see if southern evangelicals are willing to vote for a Mormon."That would be hard to gauge. For instance, in 08 were southerners voting for
Huckabee over Romney because of religion or because they're social conservatives
and Huckabee (well... anyone in the republican field other than giuliani or
paul) has a stronger record on that than Romney?
This Poll by the Deseret News has little relevance to the Real World.! The poll
that really counts is of all other Americans; other than predominantly LDS
demographic. Utah mormons (me included) tend to get all wrapped around the axle
over every little blip in the mormon PR blogosphere.... Only later to realize
that there are a whole lot of Americans who still know very little or even
nothing about Mormons or LDS Church. I dismiss this poll out of hand. It has
no credibility to reality.
Stalwart Sentinel | 11:20 a.m., I completely agree with you. I will
never understand LDS support for the Republican party... when it is
self-evident that the Republican party has a problem with someone being LDS.
To "Stalwart Sentinel | 11:20 a.m." actually, faithful members have no
place in the Democrat party. Their big government programs and liberalism go
against the teachings of prophets.President Benson taught
"idleness has no place, and greed, selfishness, and covetousness are
condemned." (A Vision and a Hope for the Youth of Zion, BYU Devotional
1979) All of which are promoted by the Democrat party through class warfare,
social welfare programs, and big government.Elder John Widstow, once
said "The self-called liberal [in the Church] is usually one who has broken
with the fundamental principles or guiding philosophy of the group to which he
belongs." (Evidences and Reconciliations, Improvement Era, vol. 44 ,
p. 609.)Neil Maxwell once said "You will also see that the
living of one protective principle of the gospel is better than a thousand
compensatory governmental programswhich programs are, so often, like
straightening deck chairs on the Titanic. " Ensign/Liahona November 1979
I will probably vote for Romney or Huntsman or Reid even if they are not on the
ballot. I will write in their name. Why? I have absolutely no confidence in the
arm of flesh. These times are too dangerous and I'm looking out for my
grandchildren. Now either of these candidates may be so indoctrinated in their
political ideology that they ignore God's influence. But I will probably take my
chances and hope for the best. In the meantime I will not hesitate to sound off
when I feel I have something to say. Even a donkey feels the need to bray
We Mormons have no place in the Republican party. They don't want us and their
principles are counter to our faith. No amount of marketing or goodwill on our
part will change that. More of my brothers and sisters need to settle in where
we truly belong: liberal Democrats.
Though a Latter Day Saint, I didn't support Mitt Romney last time. I support
him this time - because he appears to be the best available candidate.Conservatives in this country are going to vote for the GOP nominee regardless
of religion. For example, I would have supported Huckabee last time despite the
fact that he is obviously an anti-Mormon bigot.Membership in the LDS
Church is not going to cost a GOP nominee the White House. Many of those who
would never vote for a Mormon are among those who would also never vote for a
Republican. That is especially true post-Measure 8.Between now and
next July, expect evangelicals to look for one of THEIR own if they think they
can make it to the convention.And look for the press to regularly do
their level best to point out LDS teachings which they think will turn off the
public. They're already doing so with malice aforethought.They will
be doing that even more if either Romney or Huntsman is the nominee.Rest assured, should one of them be elected, that energy against the Church
will only increase....especially if POTUS ever attends a temple.
This is another unreliable poll by Dan Jones. I saw an article last week that
showed the opposite, that before the last election only about 40% said they
would likely vote for a Mormon, however now 60% would likely vote for and LDS
candidate. So who is correct, recent results would say you can't trust Dan
But being a Mormon is ok for the democrats with Harry Ried?
I don't know many religions these days that are popular with all the masses. And
if it were the LDS church, I'd be concerned. Romney's success will
not be because he gets a super-boost from his religion--it will be due to his
appeal as a politician and what he offers to the country. In a way this is
probably the BEST way a politician can win--based upon ideas, rather than on
some inborn group they belong to that entitles them to success...To
that I say, Good luck to all the Mormons in politics, may you all have great
ideas, inspiration, remain scandal free, and keep true to your faith... There's no religious conflict between mormonism and the truth, but
sometimes there is a conflict between the truth and popularity.
I really want Romney to win the election, but I'll be much more pleased if he
continues to live a good and moral life, even if he loses. I think he would do
wonders for helping the economy. Go Mitt! Win or lose, I like you. If people
look down on me because I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints, that's their problem. I certainly have no problem with people or other
faiths and respect many of them.
Members of the LDS church (Yes I am an active member) need to suck it up and
quit whining and quit using the church as an excuse when a member is not elected
to a political office. Huntsman wouldn't win this election no matter what
church he belonged to. I think the same thing about Romney. Its not a mormon
issue for either one of them. When, if ever, are members of the church going to
put the past aside (all the early saints are dead now) and move on and stop
feeling like a bunch of victims that everybody is out to get!
I think Wasatch Front Latter-day Saints are a wee bit delusional in the sense
that they have no clue how those outside the state view LDS. Allow me to
explain: If you want to think that views on Mormonism are really improving,
you'll have to compare the current American views of Mormonism with those of the
1800's. There are no mobs, and polygamy isn't front page news. Get it? Latter-day Saints are viewed as politically whacky (Skousen-Beck) and
religiously cultish. Many Evangelicals will NOT vote for a Mormon. Moderates
don't trust them. You can all pack it in on the Romney and Huntsman
campaigns... The only reason they are looked at this year is because the field
is so weak.
Im not voting for Romney or Huntsman and as far as them being members of the
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has nothing to do with it. and
thats all there is to that and as far as Romney goes he cant keep the same face
on for more than a day because he flip flops more then Huntsman. these are just
2 people I will never agree with when it comes to politics. I have nothing but
the upmost respect for the both of them. but we are worlds apart in the
What bothers me the most is that I see postings that would imply people in Utah
and elsewhere would vote for Romney or Huntsman BECAUSE they are Mormon. NOT
because they agree with their political views or political voting history. This
is just as stupid as voting for someone because of their political party. Vote
based on what they stand for, not where they go on Sunday or what letter is
after their name, otherwise we will not see things getting any better.
"I think Mitt has an excellent chance. I promise you that Evangelicals are
NOT going to support Obama in any significant numbers. "Obama
isn't running for the GOP nomination. Romney needs to get said Nomination to
keep running. Said nomination hopes will die in the South just like last time.
Just wait until the robocalls saying some ugly anti LDS things are said just
like Mccain was submarined in South Carolina by an opponent. The call that said
McCain had an illegitimate daughter with a "black woman". It will
happen to Mitt, his opponents trail and will get more desperate. It didn't stop
Huckabee who is measured in his responses, it definitely won't stop Bachmann or
Plain who aren't.
Only time will tell. We're just going to have to wait for the "Bible
Belt" primaries to see if southern evangelicals are willing to vote for a
Mormon.I'm from the south and I can tell you that down there most
view the LDS Church as a cult. A lot of these people vote with their faith and
not their brain, so you'd better believe it will matter. Half of them STILL
think Obama's a Muslim and no amount of information is going to change their
The prejudice against Mormons doesn't have that much to do with current events.
It is a time-honored, long-ingrained bigotry that has existed for many years.
That, thankfully, is changing. The more we get people in important places who
prove themselves to be outstanding individuals the more it will change. I think Mitt has an excellent chance. I promise you that Evangelicals
are NOT going to support Obama in any significant numbers. I lived in the east
for a long time and found that Mormons were mostly very respected. We all need
to live our lives each day to make that perception become universal.
"FDRfan | 2:27 a.m. June 21, 2011 Sugar City, IDJohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidtI disagree with you. I lived my professional
life in Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee and Kentucky and Mormons are respected and
admired by the general public. "I am talking about the hard
right, less educated, heavily evangelical movement that has taken over the
Republican party, not every single person in the South. There are enough people
to derail Mitt and you know it. These people will shake hands publicly with
Mormons but pass on the same hate and bigotry they do to the current President
by calling him Muslim and put his face on a monkey's body. They disparage
Mormons in private and in their hearts. I will not go back to the GOP with this
overtaking by the hard religious right, they are constantly trying to pass their
version Christian of Sharia law on all people despite what the Constitution
stands for. Mormons would be better served in an independent party than part of
one that is constantly backhanding them while smiling to their face.
It will take a miracle to get a Mormon in the White House. There are still too
many out there bent on distorting, misquoting or just not understanding what the
church teaches. Just look at the message boards/comment sections of articles.
People think we are crazy or dumb for believing what we do...this is from
atheists and other Christian churches. I don't know why they just do
not run under the Independent Party if what JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt says is
true (not sure if it is or not)? If the GOP can't agree on a person who will be
a good one to run against Obama, then they are dooming our country to have 4
years with him. As for Mitt flip-flopping (which has become such a
ridiculous word), don't ALL politicians do this at one time or another for
reasons only they and God really know?
I see so bashing on Republicans, well I got news for everyone; both parties are
wrong and corrupt. Each side has some good things but mostly both sides are
corrupt. They take and take and take, they vote for what is best for them and
not us. When they talk cuts they cut from areas that cannot afford the cuts,
they never cut from themselves, they have the bet pay and benefits and they are
talking about cutting form military pay and benefits and they do more good for
this nation then the government and the government gets the best and dose the
most harm. What we need is real, hardworking, honest people in our government
and I just do not see it. You complain of Mitt's flip flop well what person in
government don't flip flop on issue to suit their needs. I do not know if Mitt
is right or not, I do know he has a good plan to fix our economy. Mitt is bad on
immigration thou and that is not good, he wants to reward illegals for breaking
HB116, Prop 8 the LDS church has been active, and gotten noticed. Everyone
probably knows I don't agree with the LDS church on many things, this is not
news itself. I do want to point out that I have made some very good Mormon
friends and their faith has never affected how I view them. The person, not the
minoirty. While I think the LDS church has done a good job on
handling bad publicity and capatalizing on good, I think this reflects the
Republican party more than the LDS church. Being so devisive and
'your not conservative, enough' has led the Republican party to shrink. Becoming
more elitist and having a 'RINO test' only seeks to EXCLUDE members, rather than
invite them. Again, my views on the Republican party are known. I do
not support them. As, they do not support me. Looking at this
article and some of the Republican reactions to the two LDS canidates Romney and
Hutnsman (I think Huntsman should run in 2016) though... can you
The negative view of the LDS people is more of a commenatary of our nation than
the LDS Church.
The last time Mitt ran for president, a survey showed that many evangelicals
were drawn to his values but repelled by his Mormon faith. Can anyone see the
inconsistency in that statement? Isnt that like saying, I like apples, but I am
repulsed by apple trees? More times than I care to count, Ive read
or heard how people really admire Mormons for their family values, yet their
teachings are abhorrent. Mormons are held in high regard because of their work
ethic, but the Prophet Joseph Smith was a scoundrel. Mormons are respected for
their moral points of view on chastity, honesty, abstinence from alcohol,
tobacco, and drugs, yet their doctrines are of the devil. Mormons are
appreciated for their humanitarian contributions and the goods and services
provided in the wake of natural catastrophes around the world; nevertheless,
they arent considered Christians. Where has there ever been a greater
contradiction of thought?
JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidtI disagree with you. I lived my professional
life in Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee and Kentucky and Mormons are respected and
admired by the general public. Check out the story of the young Mormon kid
elected as president of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes in Nashville. The
sponsoring SBA removed him from office for being a non Christian. Read how he
was supported overwhelmingly by his peers and the general public. The Mormons
are respected throughout the South because of associations with Mormon
neighbors. A Mormon candidate with a sensible platform will not be rejected
because of religion but they will be rejected for being extremist on either
side. I cannot speak for the upper 5% because I did not know any of them. They
were in different circles.
I travel a lot for work and interact with a lot of non-LDS in which we have very
open religious conversations. Once they feel like they can be honest with me it
is almost unanimous that they respect what we DO and find very strange what we
BELIEVE. That is often the case even among the very religious. I'm just not sure
how we are going to get around some of the things that are in black and white in
our teachings, history and doctrine. Most people in this country know far more
about our beliefs than is put out in our PR statements or on LDS.org. And many
just have a hard time wrapping their heads around a potential President who
actually embraces those beliefs.
Easy to say "it's religious". Maybe it's political. Who do we have
as Mormon political role models? Who might we use as a gage for measuring
Romney/Huntsman? Hmmmm. Let's see... oh yes!Harry Reid, whose name is
synonymous with "Nancy Pelosi" on Fox News.Orrin Hatch, a target
of The Tea Party, but not for religious reasons.
You can blame the media all you want but is the Republican message that ain't
selling. How many Republican candidates does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Answer: they can't because no one wants the original Thomas Edison light
bulb.Their message of don't tax or regulate the "job creating"
top 2% is at least 100 years old and it is still bunk. The economy is the number
one issue alright but the Republicans are fooling themselves to think they are
on the higher ground. Our wealth is too concentrated. We need a robust consuming
middle class for economic activity and we need to come up with plans to promote
that. The argument that tax cuts to the rich pays for itself is so blatantly
absurd that it is funny in a sick, morbid way.
If you want to see some nice bigotry wrapped up in xenophobia with a side of
racism, sign up for the GOP. As a former GOP supporter I still get emails that
contain what I have mentioned. It's the same old same old, protect American for
"real" Americans. The thing is, if you are LDS, you need to take a
look back as I did and realize that any party where they dislike Muslims, Jews
and ethnic minorities, they will dislike Mormons too. But so many LDS
Republicans want so badly to be in a club where they think they are accepted.
Just wait till Bachman and Palin turn up the crazy in order to
derail precious Mitty. They never let the facts stand in their way and it will
be no different on how they exploit the religion card. I wait in eager
anticipation as fellow LDS people I know will freak out in an attempt to
contemplate how Palin and Bachman, who they love can hurt the poor Mitty. Heads
will spin and ugly religious bigotry will come out.
Even with the the Twilight books, David Archuleta, Mitt Romney and Jimmer, the
majority of people in this country still view Mormons and outside the norm and
that likely isn't going to change for a long time, if ever.Now, to
my fellow Latter-day Saints, when people bash us or ridicule us we can either
feel sorry for ourselves are pick ourselves up and live the best life we
possibly can. It's up to you.By the way, no matter who the GOP
candidate is, I predict Obama still gets re-elected pretty handily. Even with
the economy still supttering he still got two advantages none of the GOP
candidates have. 1 - Obama is the incumbent2 - The news
media continues to salivate all over Obama
Anyone who has lived outside of Utah, particularly in the South knows that
Mormons are accepted like a kid eating broccoli by the Southern GOP
Evangelicals. Anyone who says differently is kidding themselves. Watch as
Romney and Huntsman get mired in sludge in the South, just like Romney did last
time, he did terribly.
Sadly I believe that it is still the two ton gorilla in the room.
I live out side of the Inter Mountain west were Going to church in a 1 hour trip
one way. Most people in my community support Mitt for the shear fact
unemployment is at 22 percent here. They don't care if he is Mormon or not they
want a president that will lead!
"it became clear that some politicians would say anything and do anything
to get an advantage. Both Mr. Romney and Mr. Huntsman are better than that.
"Trained dolphins don't flip as much as Romney.
Those numbers have been pretty steady for decades though there is one reversal
over the past 4 years. Back in 2007 the gallup poll found conservatives less
willing to vote for democrats than liberals. This time democrats are less
willing (27% won't vote for a mormon) than independents or republicans (20%
each). That reversal is probably the prop 8 effect.The atheist
numbers are just atrocious in the poll with 49-49 for those willing-unwilling to
vote for an atheist.
What a great opportunity for Mr. Romney and Mr. Huntsman to show the world how
good "Mormons" live. If they truly live their religion, they have
nothing to fear. If they loose because they live their religion, they will have
still won. They will have proven that they place God before public adulation.
Not many politicians would do that. In the last race, it became
clear that some politicians would say anything and do anything to get an
advantage. Both Mr. Romney and Mr. Huntsman are better than that.
I spent practically of my life east of the Mississippi and I think you may be
surprised how many non Mormons, except for the religious fanatics, will support
a Mormon because they are Mormon. My stature has always been elevated when
people found out that I was a Mormon. Sonja Johnson caused some negative
influence among professional women but not women in general.
A very fair article with a nice compare/contrast with Kennedy and the religious
perception. Like Kennedy, if Romney is elected, the number of those who would
not vote for a Mormon would drop by more than half within the first year of
Gays, amnesty etc. The LDS have had bad press lately. I had friends
across the country call me and ask why the were trying to give illegal
immigrants mass amnesty in our state. With the majority of Americans against
amnesty, it won't help.