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Published: Thursday, June 16 2011 1:10 p.m. MDT

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TheHailstorm
South Weber, UT

I prefer to do all of my comparisons within the Mendenhall and Whittingham era.
Utah-- Coach of the Year 1
BYU----COY 0

Bo Jangles
Meridian, ID

scenic,

Truth is, BYU still played Utah State in 1984 so you have to look at the full body of work, you can't pick and choose the wins you want to toss and keep.

In today's environment of computer ratings, strength of schedule etc, BYUs body of work in 1984 wouldn't have been enough to get them even a sniff at the NC since their opponents winning % was .410. Utah is a good modern day measuring stick for the Y. In 2008 they beat 4 top 25 teams and two top 7 teams, but still only got a #2 ranking. For comparison sake, BYU didn't play a single ranked opponent in 1984.

In My Humble Opinion
South Jordan, UT

The first 3 posters are Utah fans. 2 of the first 3 posters on a Utah article are Utah fans commenting about BYU.

hedgehog calling someone a troll is like a skunk saying someone else smells

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

Bo Jangles

BYU was already 11-0 BEFORE they played Utah State in 1984. Playing Utah State was a non-factor in BYU's body of work.

1984 for life
Salt Lake City, UT

brluthi | 4:20 p.m. June 16, 2011
Provo, UT

"I'm sure they did that too. Thank you for bringing up something completely irrelevant to my comment."

You're welcome.

SoCalUtahFan
Utesville, CA

@TheHailstorm | 5:09 p.m. June 16, 2011
I prefer to do all of my comparisons within the Mendenhall and Whittingham era.
Utah-- Coach of the Year 1
BYU----COY 0
....

Good point.
One additional fact --and very important fact...
On APR (Academic Progress Rating) national ranking:

31. Kyle Whittingham, Utah 957
89. Bronco Mendenhall, BYU 928

National COY Kyle is way ahead of Provo COY Bronco.

Go Kyle! See you in Pasadena CA in Jan 2012!

Veritas Aequitas
Fruit Heights, UT

Athlon

"Get your Utah cover today!"

You have to admit, having a Utah player on the Utah cover does show more respect for Utah than they get from the PAC-- like putting Utah-USC on Versus, and one more game on Fox for the whole season.

If the PAC had their way, I'm not so sure Wynn would have made the cover, so in a way, I agree, this is a positive news story for the Utes.

Utah gets more respect when Larry Scott or the PAC isn't involved.

(I'm not dissin' the Utes, I'm dissin' the PAC and Larry Scott...)

Riddles in the Dark
Olympus Cove, Utah

TheHailstorm

"I prefer to do all of my comparisons within the Mendenhall and Whittingham era."

AP Top 25 Finishes
Bronco 4
Kyle 2

Top 15 Finishes
Bronco 3
Kyle 1

Conference Championships
Bronco 2
Kyle 1

10+ Win Seasons
Bronco 4
Kyle 3

Head-to-Head
Bronco 3
Kyle 3

Record vs Bottom Half of MWC (Wyo, CSU, NM, UNLV)
Bronco 12-0
Kyle 7-5

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

utahcountyute

What's more pathetic than being SHUTOUT 0-27 by a team that only won one other game?

Except for getting waxed at home 7-47?

Even during the darkest days of the Crowton era, BYU didn't lose a home game by 40 or more points.

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forreal

"How is utah getting beat by a undefeted #2 TCU team at home by 40 points more pathetic...?"

2010
BYU at TCU 3-31
Utah vs TCU 7-47

Because BYU only lost to that same TCU team, ON THE ROAD, by 28.

And, unlike Utah, BYU was still in the game until the closing moments of the first half, trailing only 0-3 with 1:42 left in the 2nd Q. In fact, BYU only trailed TCU 17-3 at the end of the 3rd Q.

Utah was hopeless out of the TCU game in the 1st Q, trailing 20-0, and the Utes were down 40-0, before they finally scored in the 4th Q.

For a team that was ranked #5 in the BCS and supposedly playing in the biggest game in Utah history, it was a pathetic, humiliating loss.

KH
Holladay, UT

Riddles in the Dark,

Your post is very biased. For example, you say Top 15 Finishes. Why Top 15? Why not Top 10? Why not Top 5? Oh I know, it is because byu would look silly against Utah in that category. It would look like this.

Top 5 Finishes
Bronco 0
Kyle 1

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

"31 Million a year for Utah"

Call us when Utah gets its first $31m paycheck from the PAC12.

If the Utes are rolling in the dough, why are they gouging their fans with 24% increases in season ticket prices and an 8% increase in student fees?

UNLV 2007
won at Utah State 23-16

lost to Wisconsin 13-20
lost to Hawaii 14-49

BEAT UTAH 0-27

lost at Nevada 20-27
lost at AFA 14-31
lost to BYU 14-24
lost to CSU 23-48
lost at Wyo 24-29
lost to SDSU 30-38
lost at TCU 10-34
lost at UNM 6-27

Utah finished behind UNLV in the race for the Beehive Boot.

Getting shutout by a team that only beat one other team all season, Utah State(2-10).

How much more pathetic can you get?

Riddles in the Dark
Olympus Cove, Utah

KH

"Why Top 15?"

Because it shows MULTIPLE years of success.

The drum and feather logo is perfect for the Utes, because they beat the same two-headed drum over and over and over--2004-2008-2004-2008--because that's the only feather U have to put in your bonnet.

Top 25/10+ Seasons

BYU
2009 11-2 #12/#12
2008 10-3 #25/#21
2007 11-2 #14/#15
2006 11-2 #16/#15
2001 12-2 #25/#24
1996 14-1 #5/#5
1994 10-3 #18/#10
1991 8-3-2 #23/#23
1990 10-3 #22/#17
1989 10-3 #22/#18
1985 11-3 #16/#17
1984 13-0 #1/#1
1983 11-1 #7/#7
1981 11-2 #13/#11
1980 12-1 #12/#12
1979 11-1 #13/#12
1977 9-2 #20/#16

Utah
2010 10-3 ur/#23
2009 10-3 #18/#18
2008 13-0 #2/#4
2004 12-0 #4/#5
2003 10-2 #21/#21
1994 10-2 #10/#8
1964 9-2 ur/#14

uteBusters
Park City, UT

Riddles

You need to understand the rules here.

Utah fans are famous for using selective stats, and then calling others "biased" for using their own selective stats.

Just to clarify:

2004 and 2008 are okay to talk about when you're discussing Utah football.

Pre-WAC is also okay as long as you only talk in generalities like head-to-head record versus BYU and leather helmet era championships, but don't delve into specifics like "Why are you counting a win against the Utah alumni in your overall record?"

But if you really want to know what Utah has done in football:

Utah won BCS games in 2004 and 2008
Utah also had undefeated seasons in 2004 and 2008
Utah was also ranked in the Top 5 in 2004 and 2008
Utah's coach was also named COY in 2008
Utah also had very good seasons in 2004 and 2008
Utah also beat some ranked teams in 2008

The drum and feather logo is perfect for Utah, because the Utes are continually beating the same two-headed drum over and over and over, because 2004 and 2008 are the only two feathers they have to put in their bonnet.

anti BCS
Anaheim, CA

SoCalUtahFan | 4:21 p.m. June 16, 2011
Utesville, CA

"Completed Quests for Perfection"

The only quest for perfection that matters is one that ends in a national chamionship.

Lifetime Completed Quests for Perfection

BYU 1
Utah 0

#1 > #2, #4, or #5 no matter how you spin it

SoCalUtahFan
Utesville, CA

@antiBCS...

as a great President would say...
Well, there you go again, my fellow cougarettes, bringing up 1984 when your so-called NC was a win over 6-5 Michigan.
It might be well if you would ask yourself, are you better off than you were twenty-seven years ago?

In the last 10-15 years, Utah has passed BYU in college football.
Two perfect quests.
Two BCS wins in 2 tries.
One national COY.
BCS conference member.

and all BYU has to show...lots of Quest' t-shirts, Band-of-Brothers t-shirts

Bluto
Sandy, UT

@Mesquite

You always have a new rationalization.

Last Decade...

2 years ago BYU had another "Consensus" All-American (Pitta), that's number 15.
(Utah has 4, and one was a kicker)

They have another Pre-season 1st teamer this year, Reynolds.

They got the number 1 recruit in America, Heaps.

They had 3 more players inducted into the College Hall of Fame.
(BYU 6, Detmer will make 7) (Utah-1 a coach)

They had a former player, 2 time NFL-MVP and Super Bowl MVP inducted into the Pro football Hall of Fame.

They had half of their teams finishing in the Top 25.

And all this despite of the Nightmare Crowton years.

A Doak Walker winner to start the decade, and the the biggest buzz of all the new receivers in the NFL, even, the Great... Austin "Magic Happens" Collie.

More pub than the U could ever dream of. And then The Jimmer?

Forget it.

Bluto
Sandy, UT

correction: in spite of

Uteology
Fort Worth, Texas

Irrelevance is when you talk about being a "premier football program" but act like Division II program:

Appalachian State 34
#5 Michigan 32

"The monumental upset at No. 5 Michigan was only minutes old when, more than 400 miles away, Appalachian State... [fans] headed for the school's football stadium, climbed the fence, and tore down the goalpost." -- USA Today

BYU 14
#3 Oklahoma 13

"People danced in the streets. They hugged perfect strangers. They lit off fireworks. And in general, they celebrated and celebrated and celebrated... spontaneous celebrations erupted throughout this city and lasted well into the early hours of the morning on Sunday." -- DN

To be fair Oklahoma was #3 and Michigan was only #5... so can't blame the fans of the "premier program" for celebrating like they just won a NC in September.

sammyg
Springville, UT

Premier, storied programs get media & TV coverage and this fall U guys get what?

MiP
Iowa City, IA

uteBusters, believe you me, BYU fans can beat the drum (err, dead horse) just as well as Ute fans. I know, I knowm in 2007 UNLV beat Utah 27 to 0. And the drumming continues...Your drum is the "Utah had only two good seasons." Since we all know "good season" = undefeated. Or in BYU's case Top 15 finishes, since they only have 1 undefeated season.

But go ahead and pretend Y fans are above the drumming.

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