To "George | 4:46 p.m." so what you are saying is that eventhough the
article was clear in its arguement, and even said that "they adjusted
life-expectancy stats to get a rough handle on what life expectancy would have
been like had the rates of these deaths been the same in all 29 countries. Their
result: The U.S. would have ranked first, at 76.9 years of life expectancy an
increase of 1.6 years. Meanwhile, Japan fell from 78.7 years to 76 years,
indicating it had been benefiting inordinately from low rates of accidental
deaths and homicides."So you think that I am wrong eventhough
the articles says that the US would have the greatest life expectancy if you
adjust for accidental deaths.If you comprehend what that article,
and its related articles explain, you would find that they show that the use of
life expectancy to compare healthcare is a fallacy because it doesn't take into
account so many variables.
The point is simple some groups have a lifestyle that is not conducive to
@redshirtI read the article and it is actually about the errors in the
claim that accidents account for the disparities between the United States and
other countries, but thanks for providing evidence to refute your own claim. Care to tackle the question of differences within our local community
that you have not yet addressed?
@redshirtIts interesting that you would sight that as your source, did you
read the article? It actually contradicts what you claim and points out the
statistical errors in the data by the authors(economist)that originally made
such claims. Also I do not see where you addressed my question about local
disparities, a simple over sight I am sure.
now not know..haha...sorry
@redshirt So know people in Tooele and Glendale are more accident pron
then people on the east bench?
To "George | 3:24 p.m." read "Does the U.S. Lead in Life
Expectancy?" in the Wall Street Journal.
This study affirms what we already know. An ounce of prevention is worth a
pound of cure.
@redshirt alright I will bite whats your source to support your claim?
also how do accidents account for the wide disparity within our own local
I think that it is funny when they compare life expectancy in the US to places
ouside of the US. If you read the article "Does the U.S. Lead in Life
Expectancy?" you find that the US's lower life expectancy has nothing to do
with the medical system at all, but is due primarily to accidental deaths. The
studies on life expectancy tend to skip over the fact that the US has more
accidental deaths than other nations.
@BobP and what is your point?
@wastintime I totally agree, in addition they also have access to
more able to afford less processed food and the money to access health fitness
centers and activities.
@Mr. JohnNote my comment about overpriced health care. We ration
our healthcare in the USA based upon income levels. Richer people live longer
than poorer people because they can afford adequate medical care. In other
words, kids on the east bench are on average visiting the doctor and dentist
more often than their peers in Tooele.
No reform needed- our system is fine- repeal the healthcare law because the
system as constituted is working fine- you may not like the new law but by
almost all measures our system is broken and something is needed- at least the
new law tries something- and ohhh it is essentially the same
"something" touted by R's for years until it became a political tool
to be used for elections- just like dislike of medicare and mediaide last year
became save it and now this year we are back to kill it- both parties suffer
from political expediency and mindless voters reward them all over the country
on both sides of the isle- we vote rich and live poor
The areas in the south eastern quadrant that have the lowest lifespan ssem to be
those with the highest black population.
The numbers do not take into consideration how many of the people in south and
central Utah were exposed to radiation. How can you possibly do any kind of
survey and add up the years that we live without looking at this? Many of us
have family members who have lived and died with cancer and other radiation
related internal damage. Our family had lived into their late 90s for many
generations. Then the government exposed most of us to radiation and noone has
made it past 89. No cancer in either side of my family before. Then most are all
dying of cancer. Most of us are active members of the LDS faith, we keep the
word of wisdom.
I hate to generalize too much, but:You're obeseYou eat too
much fast & processed foodYou don't exercise enough.In
Canada, we're not far behind on those 3 areas.Getting healthcare to
the bottom 30 million that have none would help in the U.S. American care may be
technically "better" and more modern than most countries, but it's not
accessible to all. It's socialized in Canada, but at least everyone gets a
decent level of care. The PREVENTATIVE measures will do far more than spending
more on medicine - you already spend more per capita than any country.Good to see Utah being ranked relatively high - I presume that's predominatly
tied to Word of Wisdom basics.
oops rate not right sorry
So I have a question for those that keep commenting about obesity and exercise.
Are you trying to say that the reason people in places like Glendale and Tooele
live on average 5 years less then those on the east bench is simply because they
are fat and lazy? The high right of obesity in our country may account for part
of why our life expectancy is lower then other countries and make it easy to
write it off as to many fat people but how do you account for the vast
differences within our own communities?
Lies, blasted lies and statistics. Lifestyle is the difference. Drink, smoke,
take drugs, both legal and illegal, risky sex lives, overuse of the medical
system and drugs, gluttony on processed junk food, not too hard to figure all
this out. The foothills are healthier? Imagine that.
Re: "For a woman living in Tooele, she'd be better off living in Uruguay or
Albania . . . ."I asked my wife -- she's not moving.
It's hard for a young mother of 4 to be happy when she could not get medical
attention because of no insurance and no money until a tumor in her brain grew
to bigger than a golf ball.
The "Word of Wisdom" may have something to do with it!
In some countries a newborn that lives 2 days or so is not counted as a live
birth. This can affect the statistics. Overweight people think there is
something besides exercise to lose weight, there is not. They need to walk 4-5
miles a day. Diets always fail anyway 90% of the time for long term results.
They should also go to a gym 3 times a week. It's your life.
By my calculation, 15 of the top twenty states for life expectancy are
"blue" states, 4 are "red" states and one is classified as
purple.Maybe more liberal states are evil in the eyes of conservatives,
but they sure do live longer.
I'm getting old. I dont know how long I'll live, and certainly don't care how
long it will be when compared to folks in other countries. What I care about is
the quality of life I'll enjoy in however many days I have left. Longevity
produced by better health care purely for the sake of more days does not equate
to more happiness. I hope I can be happy when I'm old.
Stevo123They have been voting "R" since "D" started
supporting civil rights.
So we are about the longest lived in the nation, but falling behind the rest of
the world.Wonder if this is because other nations have a better
work, life balance. More vacation, shorter work hours.
I was shocked at the amount of obesity I saw in central florida a couple of
years ago. Im not talking overweight, I mean huge. These people could
drastically reduse the need for health care, diabetes, heart disease, joint
replacement, etc. The health of the people, the massive costs of their health
care, medical payouts frome insurance cos, quality of life, could be
revolutionaized with one word....diet. but..that takes personal responsibility
and, well, you know.....
Studies like this omit consideration of racial demographics for political
correctness. The USA is a very "diverse" population and becoming more
so each year. This trend has a negative impact on many things including the
longevity index registered in this article. Immigrants, legal or not, from
third world countries often bring with them health problems and habits that
impact the normal life span. Compare Mexican food verses Japanese food to get a
"flavor" of what I mention. One is full of grease, the other has much
more seafood and less fried food. Some cultures are uncomfortable with modern
medical care and prefer to use unlicensed individuals in their community for
medical care. All these factors and more impact how long the average American
We are simply fat pigs with overpriced health care. End of story.
Obesity. Take a look around. We are an extremely obese population.
Health care? Many counties in the southern USA are losing years, do they have
accsess to health care? Just for fun, do they vote "D" Or
"R" it would be fun to know.
That can't be. Their healthcare systems are socialistic.