@ MidMajor4everAll that matters is kicking the utes trash on a
regular basis. BTW, Rose is building a program that will be the best in the West
in the near future. As chris b would say, Mark it down.P.S. you can
land all the 3 stars you want, but with no local ties, you can kiss it goodbye.
So duuuuucky,IF byu continually gets "good recruits", why
have they only won 12 NCAA Tournament games in their entire history? Why no
Final Fours or Championship games with all the good recruits your school
gets?Utah's coaching change occured after the majority of players
had made their commitments so landing six 3-star players (according to rivals)
wasn't a bad start for the new coaching staff.I know you love
putting negative spins, tossing all logic aside when you communicate on these
boards but based on the situation Coach K was placed in, he did a pretty decent
job. Next season's recruits will show the effects of a power conference when
the results are in. Until then, have your fun with your spins!
@nilBut despite BYU's abysmal 1-25 season the current run of ute
ineptitude exceeds BYU's late 90's run. BYU had 3 losing seasons and then
returned immediately to a 20 win team. utah has had a losing record 4 of the
last 6 seasons and will almost undoubtedly have another one next year and
probably at minimum another after that. There are no signs at all that utah is
improving as they haven't signed a good recruit in years and are currently
constituted of JC tranfers and late signees that other schools passed on. Once utah signs one single top recruit get back to us. BYU actually kept
on getting good recruits even though they were not good because LDS recruits
wanted to play there anyway. utah does not have the advantage of a built in
supply of recruits like BYU does. It could be a long time before utah recovers.
Students graduating from high school and can qualify for an AA degree
concurrently just illustrates how shallow the regular high school curriculum is
since I attended high school; as well as how dumbed down university courses are
at this point in time.As to Chapman, how does he qualify as a
bigtime recruit with the universities seeking his services? If he were so
great, how is it that major bigtime basketball schools aren't on the list? What
is all the hullabaloo anyway? His father wasn't anybody in terms of players who
later can play at the next level. Let's calm down everybody.
Nil"Of corse that was back when I was maliciously brain washed
by my parents into cheering for the Y."You should have followed
your parents sound advice instead of straying of course."I
still don't understand the logic of Cougar fans thinking That Utah BB will not
Bounce back."Utah basketball has been in steady decline since
its 1998 high-water mark and the program became a train wreck when Majerus left.
As we're taught in the business world, past performance is no guarantee of
future success.Some programs whither and die. Some programs blossom
and flourish. That's life.There's no guarantee that Utah will ever
be anything more than a middle of the PAC team. See Utah football post 1964. It
could be another 30 years before Utah basketball re-emerges as a legitimate
I don't say this to disparage the basketball skills of Danny Ainge or Jimmer
Fredette, but Jeff Chatman was one of the most exciting BYU players I have ever
watched. I hope Jordan chooses BYU!!!
@KSDBNThere is another Toolson coming along, as well as another
Haws, another Emery and even though he isn't a former Cougar Thurl Bailey has a
son coming up that lives here in Highland who is already very tall and athletic.
I believe there are some Roberts kids to.
Hey Nil I still don't understand the logic of ute fans. How come if I mention
BYU's past, such as 84, I am living in the past and it is all about now. Yet
you bring up our 1-25 past from 12 years ago. And it is ok with you to mention
being the 12th winningest program in history, which is great by the way. But
let me mention one other thing. The utes have never hit rock bottom like the
cougars have. Did you watch any basketball at all this year? You were rock
bottom. When BYU went 1-25 we lost our best player weeks before the season
started. Remember Byron Ruffner, he was slated as a first rounder til his legal
troubles. The team still would have stunk that year, don't get me wrong. But
what was the utes excuse this year? You had none you just plain stunk. Both
teams were awful and I think its safe to say neither fan base wants to look back
on these seasons.
Naval vet, my best friend started at the Y with 81 credits (some concurrent
enrollment but mostly from AP courses). It came back to bite him when he lost
his scholarship senior year due to excessive credits, but I think he's forgiven
the university. The Y was good prep for grad school and he's now enjoying life
as a medical doctor.
Yes Naval Vet it is possible. Several high school graduates also graduate with
their Associates degree from local two year colleges by taking concurrent
enrollment classes. My daughter graduated from high school in 2009 and several
of her friends had completed their AA and just graduated with their Bachelor
I remember watching this kids Dad at the Y when I was a kid. Of corse that was
back when I was maliciously brain washed by my parents into cheering for the Y.
Good thing for free agency right. I didn't want to be one of those self
righteous kids everybody hated at school, so I switched colors as a young teen.
Doesn't look like there is a lot of interest in this kid. He plays in Portland
and the Ducks & Beavers are passing on him. I wouldn't get to excited about
him. He'll go to BYU b/c thats what legacies do. They follow their parents
foot steps. Good for him. He'll get a good education, but will have alot of
expectations to live up to. I still don't understand the logic of
Cougar fans thinking That Utah BB will not Bounce back. There the 12th
winningest (sp?) program in the NCAA. We never hit rock bottom like our
brethren down south. 1-25 is Rock Bottom guys , let's face it. Utah will
rebuild..... Better conference, more $$, more appeal ( and less rules). Good
luck to Chapman though. His Dad was great!
There seem to be a lot of former cougars who have good basketball playing sons,
i.e., Haws, Chatman, etc...does anyone out there know if there are any more out
there coming up?
"However, what they lack is venue and exposure on a National level in a
conference that is well respected."LOL...don't stop your on a
Oh man, ... I haven't enjoyed comments this much for a while. Josephmother &
Hondo you cracked me up like I needed.
He'll pick Americas team. Welcome to Provo.
Naval Vet,My daughter started out at Utah State as a Junior. Many,
many others have gone the same route. Lots of work, but worth it.
I've actually got a little inside dish on Jordan. He turns 19 next spring and
will go on his mission right after HS. When he returns in 2014 he will then
enroll and play for four straight years (unless he goes early into the NBA)
at...wait for it...BYU.Take it to the bank kiddies!
Naval Vet,Two years hard to do with AP classes. However, Running
Start programs could possibly allow a kid to graduate from High School and CC
(with an AA) the same week-end.My kid did. Nice way to lock down
two years of "free" college.
The first school to show him interest was Utah State, who came forward with his
first offer.Ive been up there. I was actually up there when they
played BYU and they beat them, said Chatman. The atmosphere was great, and I
love Coach Morrill. Utah State is a school that goes to the NCAA tournament
every year, and they win. I also love the style of ball that they play.USU 2012 recruitsPG-Marcel Davis, 88 on ESPN (Same score as
Collinsworth/Haws)-CommittedSF-Quincy Bair, Just put up 36 on Brighton at
USU Camp Tourney -CommittedG-Riley Bradshaw, 25pts a game as So., 27pts. a
game as Junior -CommittedC-Casey Oliverson, 6'9" and growing, 14pts a
game, 10rebs. -CommittedF-Jordan Loveridge, Best H.S. player in Utah,
friends to Davis/Bair -Undecided3 Straight NCAA Tourney Births.
Spectrum = Top 5 Loudest Places to play.Not a bad option... Not a bad
option at all...
bigsoccer - Please give us your source where Coach Krystkowiak
"stated he doesn't know if he wants to tap in (sic) that culture"Quote and source please. My Utah basketball fanhood hangs in the
KamUte | 4:22 p.m. June 14, 2011 South Jordan, UT Utah won't be
supportive of a mission, Coach whatever his name is has stated he doesn't know
if he wants to tap in the that culture, he has already ran away a ton of instate
recruits, so good luck.
Sounds like a bright kid, but I'm wondering if what I read was a typo. Will he
really have 2 "years" of college behind him when he graduates high
school? Or should that have read 2 "semesters"? I've
known some really bright kids to have gone on to college having already
completed their first year [2 "semesters"], but never had I met one
who started their collegiate tenure as already a Junior.
BYU should have the track on this guy. 6'4" LDS point guards are hard to
find. I do remember Chatman playing for BYU. He was lanky and had a strange
turnaround jump shot that was very effective. I know nothing of his son so I
won't comment but if Stanford is on the line, you answer the call. If you want
to play right away, Utah or Portland would be great choices. Utah will be
supportive of a mission as well.
@bigutefan:ESPN might be a cable channel, but BYUtv isn't. All BYU games
will be aired nation-wide. The great Pac-12 network that is going to pickup
half of all the Pac-12 games doesn't exist.
It boils down to these 5 thingsExposure - BYU (We can all agree that
BYU will be much more visible than any PAC 10 program. I probably saw Gonzaga
play 10x last year and Arizona 2x)Winning - BYU (Current players,
coaching staff) Access to NCAA seeding - Utah (Note access must be
earned, based on recent history this is a gamble)Stability - BYU
(The turnover at Utah should give anybody pause)Ability to Play -
Utah (If you can get dressed you have a chance to start)
His dad's turn around jumper when he played for bYu was great. I'd love to see
Jordan play for the Utes if he is offered, and he'd be able to return to the NW
playing against PAC 12 schools. As far as Stanford, my guess is the Utah schools
offer more tolerance to the mission dilemma.
@Duckhunter | 12:43 p.m. June 14, 2011 Let's just stay classy,
please. BYU has had rebuilding years in sports just as the U is having now.
Good luck to this Chatman kid wherever he goes. Regarding school
colors: It was inappropriate for the Y to begin using navy blue a few decades,
as it was USU's color. Yes, no one has an exclusive "right" to use
one color or another. It just seems inappropriate to me.
"Many a PAC-12 team? Sure, there are some that have struggled such as ASU,
WSU, OSU,..." AND Utah!You should have stopped right there and
put that train wreck on the hill at the top of your list. The Utes
have had a losing record in the MWC for the last six years, are only one game
over .500 overall for the last six years, and have lost 9 of their last 10 games
to BYU including a 47-point humiliation the last time BYU visited the HC.It's interesting the line of demarcation Utah fans draw on the
timeline:Pre-2004, college football history doesn't exist.Post-2004, college basketball history doesn't exist.
If this were me, it would be Stanford-1, Harvard-2, everyone else a distant,
distant third. Sometimes those things are hard to convince your kids of though.
I love BYU but there is also a lot of appeal for a top LDS athlete to go to
another school and really stand out. Manti Teo has done a great job of that at
ND in football. A few LDS kids have done very well playing basketball at
Stanford. I loved watching Jeff Chatman play. He had a great
turnaround jumper and kept the ball very high. I doubt he has ever had one of
his turnaround jumpers blocked. I am not sure if he played overseas but I
thought he was one of those BYU players that could have made a nice career
overseas.6'4" is a nice size for a PG.
hondo"Chatman, himself, cites that as a reason he may join the
Utes." Chatman also cites this as a reason he might join the
Cougars!"Everyone wants to play on ESPN, and theyll be playing
great programs like St. Marys and Gonzaga, so I really like that."Did you read the article, brah?
Hondo,Yes, I read the article. He cited it as 'a' reason. Just don't
hold your breath that it's a good reason. Go ahead, Utah, and play that Pac-12
card since it's the only one you've got!
hondo"UCLA, Arizona, Utah (in order of prestige) are all more
successful, historically, than Gonzaga."Living in the past. Gonzaga has dominated Utah in prestige for at least a decade. Utah's
basketball program has been in steady decline since 1998 and disintegrated
completely after Majerus left. Since 2005, Utah has had four out of six losing
seasons, and is only one game over .500.
bigutefan"Just a reminder, ESPN is the greatest sports channel,
that is a given. But.....it is a cable channel, not everyone gets it. FOX is
available to EVERYONE!"lol at your spin; EVERYONE who's ANYONE
plays on ESPN -- that's why they call it the "World Wide Leader".EVERY serious sports fan gets ESPN!
SO now Hondo wants to talk about past history and storied programs, but when it
comes to BYU and their past history and storied program it "quit living in
the past, only the last decade matters." Just saying.
JosephMother,Chatman, himself, cites that as a reason he may join
the Utes. Did you read the article, brah?
As far as Jordan Chatman is concerned, 6'4" tall and 190#'s as a high
school jr. is great size for a PG. I like bigger pg's. Let's hope he does decide
to attend BYU.
Hondo,I'm sure that if UCLA or Arizona came begging, he'd give it
serious thought. My point is just playing in the Pac-10 (or 12 or 10.2 of
whatever) is not as attractive a selling point as you'd like us to believe. If
it were, then please explain to us why Gonzaga does not suffer recruiting wise
with the two big giant Pac-10 teams in their own state? The fact that Utah is
going to the Pac-10 is just not a good enough reason, considering the shambles
that program is in right now.
ute "fan" desperation is showing here and it is no surprise. The
basketball program at utah is so bad, so terribly, awefully, horribly,
pitifully, fantastically, disgustingly, laughably, bad that they are now trying
to convince people that playing infron of 10,000 empty seats in the hc is better
than playing in front of 5000 filled seats. LOL!Keep on trying to
convince him, or anyone for that matter, about utah's desirability. I'll keep
bigutefan | 12:01 p.m. June 14, 2011 Las Vegas, NVIts not Fox
that is local, it is FSN, that too is on cable.
Jordan would love the Y! He'll be on ESPN all the time across the nation, Rose
has a team that is winning championships and making runs into the NCAA tourney!
Plus the talent lining up now with the Y is going to keep BYU on the map for a
long, long time. If you think ESPN had a love affair with Jimmer, it's just
beginning. Plus with academics, BYU is the only school in the top 25
and constantly is ranked high in the Sears Trophy (combo of athletics and
academics). Oh, forgot one thing, BYU cares deeply about it's
students and their future, prima facia evidence, the HONOR CODE!
His grandpa was a Utah State Aggie, his mother a New Mexico St. Aggie. He saw
the Spectrum atmosphere the last time USU beat BYU, and while BYU is BYU, the
Aggies started 4 returned missionaries that year. He'd be a great 2
alongside Marcel Davis and Quincy Bair.Don't throw out the idea of
Utah State just yet.
JosephMother:Many a PAC-12 team? Sure, there are some that have
struggled such as ASU, WSU, OSU, but the PAC-12 has some of the most successful
basketball programs in NCAA history.UCLA, Arizona, Utah (in order of
prestige) are all more successful, historically, than Gonzaga. The
PAC-12 will always be a more prestigious conference to play in than the WCC.
Re: bigutefanHow many college basketball and football games are
broadcast on the flagship Fox channel? I understand that they are planning to
now broadcast a lot more than they ever have but the Fox flagship is not a
sports channel and you know that the majority of these Pac-12 sporting events
will be broadcast on the more obscure Fox Regional Sports channels. How many
times do you think the Utes will be on Fox Channel 13 next year in either
football or basketball? Even once? Nice spin but nobodies buying it. Everyone
wants to be on ESPN.
Re: bglYour argument hits the skids when you consider that many a
Pac-10 team would be quite envious of Gonzaga's success, who plays their home
games in a 6000 seat arena. In fact, two Pac-10 teams that reside in the same
state consistently lose prized recruits that apparently could care less about
"major college venues" and "big cities".
He said he wants playing time right away. Sounds like Utah is the place for
Re Maxie, "they also sing pop corn popping at time-outs, that's REALLY
lucrative and exciting"What was exciting was watching Jimmer
drop 47 points on your team last year and then having BYU fans sing pop corn
poping at the mighty Huntsman center at half time :)
Just a reminder, ESPN is the greatest sports channel, that is a given.
But.....it is a cable channel, not everyone gets it. FOX is available to
EVERYONE! That is more exposure, end of story. So why on earth would he choose
to play in the Independent 4.1, oops I mean WCC, over a BCS conference?
Hondo,Ahh, poor Aggie fans. We steal your colors and your recruits!
The colors aren't even the same colors, apparently USU people care color blind.
Don't get me wrong. There's nothing wrong with playing in high school sized
gyms. But that should be during the early part of the season or at Alaska or
Hawaii Christmas Tourneys. The poor kid has played AAU ball and he's already
played in plenty of these places. During the nuts and bolts time of a big
season, you don't want to be stepping out on a court where they were just
hosting an after school program an hour before and pulling out the bleachers for
your big WCC contest. Major college players want major college venues and big
cities and savvy fans. The Conference of Champeeeeeeons would offer this, I
@TJ - trust me, it won't be "standing room only" without Jimmer there.
They will still be good, but in the WCC which isn't saying much. Sure, Gonzaga
is solid but no one else is. I'm just saying. don't talk up the marriott center.
they also sing pop corn popping at time-outs, that's REALLY lucrative and
"I loved watching Jeff play during my time at BYU. I hope we have the
opportunity to see Jordan play in Cougar Blue also."It's not
Cougar blue; BYU stole Aggie blue from USU several years ago.
I loved watching Jeff play during my time at BYU. I hope we have the
opportunity to see Jordan play in Cougar Blue also.
Everyone that reads this comment needs to go and look at Gonzaga's schedule last
year. They play a ton of invitationals that put them against the premier teams
in the country. For example last year they played, San Diego St., Kansas St.,
Marquette, Illinois, Washington St., Notre Dame, Baylor, Xavier, Oklahoma St.,
Wake Forest, Memphis, St. Mary's (2 times regular season) Go and put this
season against BYU's season last year. Not many of those games were played in
High School gyms lol. The WCC is far different than the mountain west and ya
conference play is worse but thats only a fraction of the season. Gonzaga plays
for a national ranking, not for the leagues auto bid.
How is Utah in the mix if Stanford is? That one doesn't make sense.If he wants schooling and Harvard is there and if he thinks there's not much
shot at the NBA then go to Harvard, or Stanford for that matter.If
he wants good upside to be on a respected and visible team then BYU makes a lot
of sense. BYU certainly will be top 3 in WCC for a long time, I don't think
Utah or Stanford really has the ability to show that kind of future.For ease of working with a Mission scenario certainly choose BYU.Lots to think about, but it would seem that his choices would be Harvard,
Stanford, BYU. But then we're all speaking from a very limited place...
I heard that Jordan really likes what is going on up on the hill, but Utah has
no shot at Jordan. None. Utah is losing scholarship players to WALK ON at BYU
right now....Can't wait to see you in Cougar blue, Jordan.
He could play at BYU where the majority of games will be played at the 22,000+
Marriott Center or he could go to Utah where on a good night he can play in
front of 5000 at the HC. I love how people seem to be harping on the small gym
aspect of most WCC schools. They only play 8 road WCC games all year. Besides,
would you rather play in a standing-room only gym of 5000 screaming fans 8 times
out of the 30+ game schedule or in a less than half full gym of 5000 apathetic
fans 15+ out of a 30+ game schedule? Hmmm...that's a tough call.
Good luck no matter where you decide to play Jordan. I am very happy to hear
that he has definite plans for a mission. It has a much more profound effect on
ones life than college. A mission will prepare you for the challenges of college
and will help you decide which university will be the best fit for you.And before the anti-BYU crowd tries to think up something clever; I am not
insinuating that all missionaries will be guided to or should all choose BYU
while on their missions. Team-mates at other schools are generally very
respectful of LDS athletes and even look out for them. A single LDS athlete can
be a positive influence on many team-mates.
Jeff Chatman was one of my favorite players. I remember watching him play with
his sweet turn around jumpers.
Yeah no national exposure for BYU, they only just signed a 8 year deal with ESPN
for basketball, I wouldn't go near Utah's program with a 10 foot pole, they are
stinkin it up, and that is what the pac 10.2 will be too.
If he's any good, Utah will give him an offer. The film they have on him is
inconclusive so they want to see him play in person more. However, that's not to
say that he'll want to go to the U, esp. with his Dad having gone to the Y and
the strong loyalty and legacy BYU has and the pull for family and relatives and
fans to go there if offered. But playing in High School sized gyms, at best, in
the WCC is less than attractive. All 3 Utah schools have strong LDS presence but
it's embedded in every aspect of the experience at BYU, which he may want. I
don't know. Playing in the Pac-12 would be most attractive, esp. with a new
coach. Even middle of the pack (if they can find a way to accomplish that - but
reasonable expectation since the conference has plenty of bottom feeders each
year) may be attractive enough. Who knows. But that's if Utah offers, which they
If you are interested in education, by all means go to Harvard or Stanford.
Stanford may even punch your ticket to the NBA. If you narrow it down to USU,
BYU or Utah, well I would recommend that you chose Utah over the aforementioned.
Why? BYU and USU have great coaches and good teams. However, what they lack
is venue and exposure on a National level in a conference that is well
respected. Sure the Pac-12 has had its lean years, but that is primarily
because so many underclassmen enter the NBA early versus other conferences.
Utah will be back and you may have the opportunity to say that I was at the
nucleus of this program rebuilding and turning into the dominant program it once
was. All in all, best of luck in your choice, you really can't go wrong unless
you decide to play for SLCC ;)