Should BYU fans be happy for Utahs success in gaining entry in to the Pac-12?
Absolutely, since this now pulls a major moniker off their back and allowed
independence and a likely invitation to the Big-12 that they had back in 1993 to
be accepted when it comes around. By the late 1980s BYU wanted to leave the
WAC, the SWC was starting to fall apart, but who would BYU partner with at the
time? Utah wasnt even on the radar since they were just coming out of two
decades or mediocrity in college athletics. Utah fans should thank BYU for
getting them there!On the other hand should the MWC be celebrating
the loss of BYU? No way! Utah State fans especially should not be happy about
this one since if BYU stayed put then the MWC would have followed through and
stabilized their league alignment.
What do you think the odds are the MWC will "promote" the bYu move to
independence?I'd say 10,000 to 1.Burning bridges falling
down, falling down, falling down. Burning bridges falling down all threw the
SLC BYU Fan:"Utah fans should thank BYU for getting them
there!"In 1987, Utah Pres. Chase Peterson and A.D. Chris Hill
put forth a plan, to make the UofU more appealing to the Pac-10 should they
decide to expand again. The plan included bolstering the U's academic
reputation in add'n to improving the Athletic Dept. Utah should
thank fmr-Presidents Peterson, Smith, and Machen for the meteoric rise in the
U's academic profile as one of the top 100 universities in the world.Utah should thank fmr-Head Coaches Majerus, McBride, and Meyer for the
meteoric rise in the U's athletic programs, and Whittingham and the Marsdens for
the sustainability of our successes.Utah should thank the athletes
of the subsequent 5 Men's Sweet-16, 2 Elite-8, 1 Final Four/NC game teams, 2 BCS
Bowl teams, 22 Super-Sixes, and 4 gymnastics titles.But your cougs
are due no approbations for our university's elevation to the Pac-12, and the
only gratitude you may be afforded is a great big hearty thanks for rolling over
for us on our way to the BCS back in 2004 and 2008.
SLC BYU Fan, too funny. Are you serious? Utah earned its way into the PAC 12
by being a major research university, by having the 12th winningest NCAA mens
basketball program, the being the original BCS buster, and twice overall BCS
bowl winner (by a large margin) in football; BYU has done nothing for the U of U
expect be a rival. And the part about the Big-12 inviting BYU in 1993; give me
a break; never happened. Have you guys really stooped to making things up? It
never ceases to amaze me.
Of course the MWC is happy to celebrate the Utes leaving the conference. Utah
football was only occassionally good and even the bottom dwellers of the
conference could count on beating the Utes. Utah basketball is a disaster. And,
except for a couple of women's sports, the rest of Utah's athletic programs have
never been competitive.On the other hand, Craig Thompson wouldn't
have celebrated the Cougars if they'd won another football national
championship. In basketball, CT was a ghost during Jimmer-mania. CT's love/hate
relationship with BYU was interesting. On the one hand, he never lifted a finger
to help his flagship program. On the other hand, he did everything he possibly
could to try to sabotage BYU's departure from the MWC because he knew how
important BYU was to the conference.Good luck to the Utes in the PAC
12. It'll be fun being able to beat the Utes and a PAC 12 opponent in the same
game. See you in September.
RE: Rock of the MarneCalm down--don't blow a gasket!His commments
were no more stupid than many Ute posters. Try to be more like Vai.
The no-BCS-bowl-busting cougars were most definitely NOT the flagship
institution in the MWC. The ONLY sport you dominated in the MWC was track and
field. You frantic and emotional cougar fans need to understand that it's
football that drives the athletic dept. That's why Holmoe sabotaged his entire
athletic dept. by sticking his programs in the WCC. He did it for the football
team.The flagship football programs in the MWC were Utah and TCU.
There are 4 BCS bowls between us. It is now TCU and Boise St, where there are 4
BCS bowls between them. Your program was better than UNLV, Wyoming, and New
Mexico, but compared to Utah and TCU (and Boise St. for that matter), you were
an also-ran. And the only reason your moved to independence won't destroy your
football program was because you were never going to play in a BCS bowl game
This is too good! y people on "Red Roundup" trying to belittle the
mighty Ute school and program. Have you nothing going on in "Blue
Roundup" that will make you happy or that you can cheer for? Apparently
not!!Ute success is really getting under the skins of y people.Go Utes! Go Crimson!
SLC BYU fan,"a likely invitation to the Big-12."Maybe. But what we KNOW right now is the Pac 10 and Big 12 just went through
a round of conference membership realignment. Neither conference invited BYU.
The Big 12, in fact, gave up their lucerative football championship game rather
than invite BYU and some other team to get back to the requisite 12 teams.I am not saying or implying that BYU doesn't have a solid athletic
program. They do, and have for years. But talking about rumored "almost
invitations" from eighteen years ago and unlikely invitations just around
the corner makes you sound desperate.
Naval Vet,Its good to see you back, back at your usual self.
Flagship programs win conference championships. Apparently you didn't see the
article recently about which team dominated the MWC for the 11 years it was in
it? Winning 42% of all the championships in the league...It certainly wasn't
Utah...it wasn't TCU, it was BYU. Of course the Hair Mr. Thompson wouldn't give
BYU the time of day. BYU just ended the MWC as a viaable player in the college
football pecking order. Yes, Utah's departure to the PAC10.2 initiated it, but
the lousy TV deal w/ the MTN, and Thompson's lack of intestinal fortitude could
never get the kind of deal that it was supposed to have been for the MWC.Yes, it was BYU the started the MWC, got the TV deal going as brokered
by Dave Checketts, but when the Hair could seal the deal, that was the beginning
of the end for BYU's interest in staying in the MWC. I'll bet that that was what
began the planning for and eventual construction of the new state-of-the-art
...that was just completed, for BYU to make it a go on its' own in Independance.
The Hair's endorcement is just another dig on his part, to express his hate for
BYU's decision to leave. I'm sure he has a dart board in his home, w/ a big blue
"Y" in the middle of it that he must pepper with darts for hours at a
time.For all we Coug fans, good riddance Mr. Thompson, and the
pathetic MTN, MWC and the lack of exposure on TV. Hello ESPN, hello 7 national
prime-time slots this coming fall, hello to our newly found Independance, no
more little yappy dogs, hanging off of our BYU coat-tails...Finally, good luck
in your quest for the Las Vegas bowl my dear UTE fans. You see, if it wasn't for
BYU, the BCS never would have happened. U ask why? Because when BYU won the
National Championship in 1984, that got this whole BCS muck started...They
spurned BYU's chance at a significant New Years day bowl in 1996, but when that
next opportunity comes in the very near future...BYU will win won again!
Looks like the trolls from SL Trib are over here infecting the Des News comment
board. I don't blame them! Nobody ever reads what they have to say over there.
@uteBustersAlright Duckhunter we know you go by many names.
You can bet the MWC won't promote BYU's independence move because they see it as
BYU dissing them, whereas they see Utah's acceptance into the Pac-12 as
validation that the MWC DID have a BCS-worthy team.However, unlike
Thompson would like to think, it doesn't mean (after TCU leaves) that the MWC
has any team even close to BCS-worthy. But, he'd like to think so.Thompson's dreaming if he thinks the MWC will one day qualify as an AQ
conference. With Boise State's NCAA issues, the MWC's credibility is sunk.BYU Jimmered the MWC on its independence move!Good riddance
to the black hole mtn network.
Naval VetUtah's entire football history is a two-trick pony (2004
and 2008), that will never be repeated.Kyle lost to every team in
the MWC, which is why he only managed to win one MWC championship and only had
one Top 15 finish despite his BCS win.Bronco never lost to Wyoming,
Colorado State, New Mexico, or UNLV (remember Utah 0 UNLV 27?), which is why he
won two MWC championships and had three Top 15 finishes.Utah is
headed to middle of the PAC mediocrity. You know it, and so does everyone
else.BYU is headed back to national prominence.Two
programs headed in opposite directions (see last half of 2010).
MUSSing with U..."Utah's entire football history is a two-trick
pony (2004 and 2008), that will never be repeated."I'm assuming
you referred to these two seasons because Utah was undefeated in each and had
BCS invitations/wins? Based on the same criteria, byu would be a
"one-trick pony" based on it's only undefeated season in 1984. It
hasn't come close to repeating and has never been invited to a BCS game.FYI, Bronco has had two AP top 15 finishes, not three.Utah
and byu have both finished in the top 5 twice in their program's history. byu
has four top 10 finishes to Utah's three. Kyle has a #2 finish while Bronco has
a #12 finish as his best.I'm sure your program is headed to better
records with cupcake schedules. While Utah is playing 10 BCS teams, byu will
play only four. byu will also play the following powerhouse midmajor teams this
year: Idaho, Idaho State, Utah State, Central Florida, San Jose State and New
Mexico State. ESPN viewers are lining up to watch those teams play your 6-6
cougs.Midmajor forever..... enjoy it.
Funny. There's always enough stats from the past for either side to zing the
other.Let's just enjoy watching two teams from the great state of
Utah go out and pave some glory for themselves.I anticipate that
Utah will do well in the Pac-12 as time rolls on, and that BYU will do quite
well as an independent.If the two schools can keep games going
against each other every year, bragging rights will still be hot and heavy.
midmajorBronco has four Top 25 finishes (both polls) and 3 Top 15
finishes2006 #16/#152007 #14/#152008 #25/#212009
#12/#12Kyle has two Top 25 finishes (both polls) and 1 Top 15
finish2008 #2/#42009 #18/#182010 ur/#2310+ win
seasonsBronco 4Kyle 3head-to-headBronco 3Kyle 3MWC championshipsBronco 2Kyle 1Bronco took over a program coming off of three straight losing seasons.Kyle took over a program coming off an undefeated BCS season.Bronco, in his first 6 years has almost as many AP Top 25 finishes (4) as Utah
has in its entire history (5).
CGIf you read what I posted you will see that I was correct, Bronco
has two AP top 15 finishes.FYI, Utah has finished in the top 25
seven times. Perhaps you meant that Utah has five top 25 finishes this century?
byu has the same with their highest ranking @ #12. Utah has two top 5 finishes
during this century.In comparing Kyle and Bronco you failed to
mention Kyle leading in BCS invitations and wins: 1-0. Kyle also earned million
more for the MWC than Bronco.
@ hedgehog Again as follows:BYU = Independentutah
= DependentEnjoy your dependence celebration.
@ Rock Of The Marneutah was a bottom feeder choice after the PAC's
grand plan fell through. It never ceases to amaze me... don't fool yourself that
on the field play and academics got you there, well maybe gymnastics was a
strong consideration for acceptance. In reality the PAC was left standing with
11 teams and need one more to round out the PAC, utah "WAS" their last
choice to fill a void.Big XII got rid of on bottom feeder and the
PAC inherited two.Independence > dependent
Ute95So the big 12 gave up its championship game rather than invite
BYU and some other team to keep the game. Are you saying then that the pac.10
invited colorado and some other team so they COULD have a championship game.
Funny how many people condemn themselves with their own words.
MidMajor"If you read what I posted you will see that I was
correct, Bronco has two AP top 15 finishes.FYI, Utah has finished in
the top 25 seven times."It's hillarious how you ignore BYU's
Top 15 finish in the Coaches Poll, but then count Utah's seven Top 25 finishes
in the Coaches Poll.Lifetime Top 25 Finishes BOTH Polls (AP and
Coaches)BYU 17Utah 5Your attempt to count Kyle's one
great year is amusing.Once again:Bronco has four Top 25
finishes (both polls) and 3 Top 15 finishes2006 #16/#152007
#14/#152008 #25/#212009 #12/#12Kyle has two Top 25
finishes (both polls) and 1 Top 15 finish2008 #2/#42009 #18/#182010 ur/#23