HH:The article has the following teams ranking:Pac10.2
Independent MWOregon # 3 Notre Dame #6
Boise State # 5Stanford # 13 BYU #34 AF
# 29USC # 20ASU # 28Washington # 44Utah
# 48Arizona # 52Oregon St # 53Cal # 54Colo # 76WSU --UCLA -- Go
I am hearing SoCal picks BYU third in Independent --just ahead of Army.Yahoo!!!!
Under Whit, the offense has struggled to play to its' strengths. The Utes will
likely be better in using the talent of their players under Chow.Even during the Sugar Bowl year, the defense carried that time. Brian Johnson
was miraculous when he had to be, but he and his offense were very inconsistent.
Johnson's success often came during the two minute drill, when he could call his
own shots under center.The problems with consistency on offense in
2008 were with Ludwig. I am NOT a Ludwig critic either. The issue was Andy
Ludwig was hired to run an offense he had no background in. The last
couple of years, the Utes have had Schramn and Roderick. They are both coaches I
am grateful to have as position coaches at this time, but they were both in over
their heads as coordinators of the offense.Chow has got to work a
miracle in his twighlight years for the Utes to win the conference and build
momentum for years to come in the PAC-12
I believe in Wynn if his shoulder will allow him to sling it.Wynn is
older now and has matured a great deal. Now all he needs to do is keep the peach
fuzz cleaned up. The new pro-style offense plays to Wynn's talents.
That said, Jordan sure could have used the reps with his new mates and coaches
during spring ball. Wynn's arm strength has been vastly underrated
by the media and fans over the last year. The shoulder factor was huge when the
schedule got tough during the second half of last year. Jordan and the Utes did
a good job hiding his injuries that took place early on in the 2010 season. If healthy, Wynn will throw a good ball. Unfortunately, the likelihood
of him being healthy has become a big 'if' over time. Besides the
shoulder, Wynn has also struggled being put in situations that haven't catered
to his strengths. Wynn chose Utah, and although the offense was what it was, I
still was baffled at how much the Utes misused Wynn last year. Chow will
hopefully change all of that.
My feelings are up and down about how the Utes will do in football in the PAC-12
this upcoming season.There are many positives and negatives in my
view. The coaching staff is a huge positive for me. Whit might continue to be
hands on with Sitake, perhaps even more so if he gives Chow heavy independence
on offense. That's likely. Tim Davis is a great O-Line coach relative to the
pro-style offense the Utes will be running. Don't forget that Davis and Chow had
successful chemistry at USC. The Utah (instate) connection adds pride and
loyalty. That is much needed in college. As for the players. There
is solid talent but much inexperience. Depth could be a factor and Utah will
need to have the PAC-12 identity for a few more seasons relative to recruiting.
Inexperience factor: A new offense, even with Chow in charge, needs
experience to increase chances for success. Plus Wynn has sat out (shoulder)
thus far, so the reps under the new scheme for him, have yet to take place.
Don't underestimate the challenges of a new Center and trying to work in
talented but young RBs.
Its hilarious when any Y fan says anything that even implies that life in PAC 12
will not be a better situation for Utah than where they are now. No matter what
happens, Utah wins. if Utah goes winless, We are still better off in the PAC 12
than the Mtn West. ASU left the WAC, which they dominated, and has only gone to
the Rose Bowl twice since then. AZ has never been. I never heard them saying ,
Maybe we should join a weaker conference, like the Mtn West, or the WCC, or go
independent. No matter the results, the U is better off. Y fan, you just keep
saying whatever you need to to make yourself feel better because nobody
significant wants you.As far as TV goes. The first year could be
rough for Utah, because it is the last year of the old PAC 10 contract. Every
team in the conference will have lots of national exposure every year after
that, from USC, to Utah to WSU. Every team, lots of national exposure.
@ Ernest T. Bass 11:26 a.m. June 10, 2011We are not making fun of the
NMB..........it is just ironic that you all (utes)went to the pac whatever to
get away from such low end bowl game but low and behold it follows you
Ernest T. Bass | 11:26 a.m. June 10, 2011 Bountiful, UT Its
probably because BYU fans were made fun of last year, so its coming back to you
guys now. But at least BYU won its bowl game.
Are byu fans really making fun of going to the New Mexico Bowl?That is
funny on so many levels.
As a Cougar fan, I wish Utah success in the Pac 12. I really believe that,
despite the animosity between the two teams (really, more between the two fan
bases than the teams), when one school has success it reflects positivly on the
other school. Right now, voters, the media, etc. will look at both teams under
a similar microscope because they are both former MWC members that recently
bolted for better situations.The realist in me thinks that BYU and
Utah are pretty evenly matched and will both end the season with 8-4 or 9-3
records (BYU might have 1 more victory due to a softer schedule)My
hope is that the BYU/Utah rivalry will remain strong and spirited, but will take
on a more positive tone. Imagine the positive press if both BYU and Utah were
to play themselves into BCS games.Regardless of the final results,
2011 is destined to be a memorable year for both programs.
@TheHailstorm Despite the crude tantrums and degrading comments that continue
today from some of their fansThe same crude tantrums and degrading
comments come from both sides.so why keep throwing gas on the fire
Hailstorm,For 30 years your team has been riding big brothers coattails.
They know it and big brother knows it. Do you think they said thank you for
that?What position do you hold that you know all the conversations that
took place between BYU and Utah officials regarding bowl payouts and thank
you's? Do you acutally think that any school in the country would not have the
class to express their gratitude to any other institution or individual who was
responsible for money being donated?
Sorry jealous little brothers but that's the kind of respect the Utes have
earned nationally with two BCS victories and undefeated seasons in the past
Great news about the New Mexico Bowl tie-in with the Pac-12. I'll start my
vacation plans for this December.
"If Vegas's predictions are as good as your predictions or Chris B.'s
predictions, then you can expect the Utes to finish in the bottom half of their
division."riverton kewg,yea, I'll admit I'm biased
toward my team - as are you. Although the attempt not to; Sports writers/Polls
are biased as well.Vegas odds makers? Well, here and only here do
you find a truly an un-biased, most accurate projection. Unlike writers like
Harmon who let emotion get in the way, Vegas is looking for action on both sides
of the bet and the only way to do this is to produce the most accurate odds.
Utah's is looking at an 8-4 year... anything better is a bonus. We don't have
the depth yet to compete for the Rose Bowl, in 3-4 years I hope so today no.Go Utes!!
Naval Vet:If BYU goes 12-0, they will go to a BCS bowl. Utes
Fan:Yeah, it's basically the same people that go back and forth on these
articles, whether it's a BYU or a Utah article (see Hedgehog, Chris B,
Duckhunter, etc).Good luck to the Utes this season.
Utes Fan "So I was reading the comments to a BYU football
article recently. There were lots of Cougar fans complaining about Ute fans
commenting on a BYU article.Cougar fans: pot meet kettle"That's it?FOUR references to BYU and only one to Utah in
your post whining about BYU?---------------Utah could be
decent IF Wynn is health, IF he can learn the new offense, IF he and his
receivers learn their reads and timing working smoothly, IF Utah's new running
backs learn quickly, and IF Utah's thin offensive line can stay healthy enough
to protect and keep an injury-prone Wynn healthy through an entire season of PAC
12 football.That's a lot of IFs.
So I was reading the comments to a BYU football article recently. There were
lots of Cougar fans complaining about Ute fans commenting on a BYU article.Cougar fans: pot meet kettle.
Duckhunter:If the cougars are bowl eligible, the best they will do
is play in a $750K bowl game. Period. Whether they go 12-0 or 6-6, it's a
lower-tiered nobody-cares bowl in Ft. Worth vs. an also-ran C-USA team that
nobody cares about either.If the Utes are bowl eligible, the worst
that we'll do is play in a $750K bowl game vs. a MWC team. MWC > C-USA. The
next step up for us would be the Kraft Fight Hunger bowl, which pays the Pac-12
representative $900K. And that's the only bowl game the Pac-12 is contracted to
that's below $1 million.Since every preseason publication and media
prediction places the Utes at no lower than 3rd in the South, and no lower than
7th overall, Utah is most likely bowl bound. So there would be no way the tdS
will fare better than a bowl eligible Utah team. And the most likely scenerio
would be that Utah's postseason destination would be the preferred venue. So I
really don't know what it is you're giggling about.
I am very confident that the u will do quite poorly in the new PAC 10.2One of the "cupcakes" on this season's schedule for anyone that
With a wounded QB who was awful against decent teams last season, no experience
at running back or wide receiver, and a thin offensive line, a #48 ranking by
Athlon is generous.
Nice.. a share of the 7 bowl game revenues. BYU did really well with Utah
winning the two BCS games. BYU came out 1.5 million dollars richer from the MWC
conference schools share of the Ute bowl games in '04 and '08 and did it without
so much as a thank you from the blue bloods. They were better off financially by
Utah playing those two BCS bowl games. Despite the crude tantrums and degrading
comments that continue today from some of their fans, I am sure that someone in
the athletic department down in Utah County was happy to take the cash.
@wedgieSo were you consulting the vegas bookies when you predicted
36 losses for BYU in basketball last year? Or was that just wishful thinking?
Rose Bowl 2011.Mark it Down - Vegas already has.
I would rather be a BYU fan and cheer them on in the Magna Bowl, than be a Utah
fan and cheer them on in a BCS game. I have been, and will continue to be a BYU
fan and season ticket holder. The majority of the Ute fans, as soon as the
poundings from PAC10.2 opponents come (and they will come), will bail on the
Utes. Mark it down.
hedgehog,If Vegas's predictions are as good as your predictions or
Chris B.'s predictions, then you can expect the Utes to finish in the bottom
half of their division.By the way, did you think that Vegas's
predictions might change at all in the next 4 months? Pre-season polls are the
least accurate of all the polls out there.
"I've always had a lot of respect for Athlon Sports. They spend a lot more
time doing their own research on the teams."TJ,You
might want to try the most unbiased source out there - Vegas baby. Simply the
most reliable predictor going. You need only look at how Vegas ranked Auburn and
TCU (last year) in comparision to biased sports writers.
I've always had a lot of respect for Athlon Sports. They spend a lot more time
doing their own research on the teams.hedgie;before you pat
yourself on the back too hard(maybe hurting yourself)all the games actually have
to be played, you know, on the field. Victories must be earned my prickely
As an independent, BYU depends on their opponents having good seasons. If they
beat Utah, but the Utes finish last in the Pac 12, then it doesn't look like
much of a win. If they beat Texas, but Texas finishes the season 7-5, then it
doesn't look like much of a win.They'll still play it up though "Sure
Ole Miss finished last in the SEC, but we beat an SEC team. The SEC! You know,
like Alabama! We are Alabama-good!" The national polls won't buy it.
I'm not putting too much weight in what Athlon predicts. In fact, I'm not
giving their prediction a second thought. I looked at last year's preaseason
top 25 and it wasn't very accurate (and previous years haven't been that
accurate either). That being said, with changes in conference
(opponents), personnel, coaching, and schemes I think Utah will finish this year
at either 7-5 or 6-6. Any wins above 7 will be a resounding success. Arizona
State will win the South, not Utah.
@gonefishenOh no I understand it perfectly. When utah is playing in
either the vegas or new mexico bowls this year, if they even make it to a bowl,
the irony of it will perhaps not be beyond your comprehension. Considering that
utah's chances of a bcs bowl are slim to none they will more than likely appear
in one of those bowls. Since BYU is not in the MWC neither the vegas bowl or the
new mexico even applies to them.Of course the irony is utah
"fans" like yourself telling us how going to the pac10 was going to
get you out of playing in the vegas bowl, the new mexico bowl or playing on
versus but now all 3 are your reality. It is a beautiful bit of
DuckhunterI do not think you understand the definition of irony? In the
MWC the #1 goes to vegas bowl unless you go undefeated. In the pac 12 it is the
#5 / #6 team that goes to vegas but you have the posibility of playing in the
rose, alamo, holiday or sun if you finish higher. Irony? more like an incredible
I am cautiously optimistic about Utah. I am very anxious to see how the offense
comes out to start the season. So happy that I do not have to watch New Mexico,
Wyoming or UNLV on a weekly basis.
@gonefshnObviously the irony escapes you. Have fun in Albuquerque.
I can't wait to watch Utah in the New Mexico bowl in upcoming seasons, its going
to be great to get to watch them on ESPN for maybe the 2nd time all season.
Duckhunter,It is more than amusing to hear you mock the Utes bowl tie ins
when you consider BYU will play in the Bell Hellicopter Bowl or is the Fighting
Hunger Bowl? I cannot remember? Even if you win, you lose.
cheesman,Vegas odds:To Win The Pac-12:Oregon +175Stanford +250Utah +250Arizona State +650Oregon State +650Arizona +800Washington +1000California +1500UCLA +1500Colorado +1800Washington State +7500To Win the Pac-12
South:Utah Utes +175Arizona St. Sun Devils +200Arizona
Wildcats +250UCLA Bruins +650Colorado Buffaloes +800
Unlike my fellow cougars, I think the Utes will be in the top half of the league
most years. USC is the dominant team in their division but with them ineligible
for post-season, Utah has a realistic chance at the Pac-12 title game. I wish
BYU fans don't you get tired of running your pre season hype smack? YOu always
end up in Las Vegas or whatever.
Also, Vegas odds have the Utes winning the South Division AND tied for second
over all in the PAC12.Yes...it sound like doormates to me -----------------------2nd overall in the PAC? HAHAHA
Athlon's #48 is followed by the sentimet that if the rb and db units play well
the Ute's will be in the Pac 12 south title hunt. Way to go out on a limb
athlon! Is the sun going to come up in the east and set in the west too?
Athlon is generous to the Utes.
It's an exciting time to be a Ute. Yes, there is some uncertainty, but that's
also part of the excitement. We finally get to do what we've been saying we can
do and want to do. It will take a year or two for the analysts to figure out
where we belong in the PAC-12. I'm not expecting us to win the Southern
division, but I expect us to do well.
So the odds of utah appearing in either the vegas bowl or the new mexico bowl
are very high this year, provided they actually make it to a bowl game. Oh the
Athlon has BYU ranked 34th in the country, seems to me, BYU is a little more
Also, Vegas odds have the Utes winning the South Division AND tied for second
over all in the PAC12.Yes...it sound like doormates to me
the new mexico bowl this is great and something to lookforward to yahooo
I don't think anyone really knows how the Utes will do in the Pac-12. I'm
cautiously optimistic, although I wouldn't be surprised if they struggle a bit
next year. In any case it should be a lot of fun. Go Utes!