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  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 9, 2011 7:49 p.m.

    @Mildred in Fillmore: Only those who; 1: Think independence will really work over the long term for BYU when in fact it is more risky than many realize, 2: Those who continue to drink the kool-Aid that BYU will never be allowed either by their (LDS Church) leaders or the leaders of other leagues to be invited due to the No Sunday Play issues.
    When you look at the contracts coming due and who controls them and all the stipulations and escape clauses surrounding joining a BCS-AQ league for BYU in these deals, you see the word INTERIM written all over this independence gig. Scheduling a football independent is a bigger pain than most realize and WAC or Sun Belt dregs from mid-October to the end of the season are more likely.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    June 9, 2011 5:07 p.m.

    @ SLC BYU Fan | 4:03 p.m. June 9, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT

    I'm confused again. I thought we were all so excited about Independance so why bother with any Big 12 talk?

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 9, 2011 4:03 p.m.

    This is only what could happen in the event of a Big-12 invitation for BYU.
    Hypothetical 2013 BYU Schedule:
    8/31: Georgia Tech (moved up from 10/12 to accommodate Big-12 invitation)*
    09/07: Texas (Possibly shuffled due to becoming a conference game)**
    09/14: @Hawaii*
    09/21: Boise State*
    09/28: @Baylor
    10/04: Utah (LDS Conference Weekend)
    10/12: @Kansas State
    10/19: Iowa State
    10/26 @Missouri
    11/02: Iowa State
    11/16: @Notre Dame*
    11/23: @Kansas
    11/30: Louisville, Arkansas or Nebraska (whomever else is invited or returns to the Big-12?)
    12/06: Big-12 Title Game (@Arlington, TX)
    *Previously Contracted Game
    Perhaps this will further explain why Tom Holmoe hasnt been quick to make that many firm dates.

  • Vegas Las Vegas, NV
    June 9, 2011 12:36 p.m.

    Haven't seen any reports of this in any UT papers, but ESPN radio here announced that the MWC is set to have provisional entrance into the BCS in 2012-2013. A 2 year deal that will determine possible permanent entrance.

    Maybe both teams jumped the gun a little.

  • bigsoccer Syracuse, UT
    June 9, 2011 11:26 a.m.

    hedgehog | 7:53 a.m. June 9, 2011
    Ann Arbor, MI
    "Yes. And you can assume the thompson will do everything in his power to insure that MWC teams never play the kewgs ever again."

    Also BYU is playing TCU this year, and they are still in the MWC.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    June 9, 2011 9:46 a.m.

    Hey Hedgehog,

    You're so funny!

    You ought to see if you can get on Jay Leno!

    Yeah, that'd work.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    June 9, 2011 9:09 a.m.

    Hopefully after July 1 we won't have to see much more press about the MWC in our local media. It was a good thing at first, but I don't understand giving Craig Thompson a contract extension when he is largely responsible for the exodus of the best teams. Had the TV deal not turned out so bad, BYU, Utah and TCU would likely still be part of the conference and the conference would almost certainly be headed for BCS status. It seems like they are rewarding him for his band aid job of saving the conference, when it was his own fault they were put in that position to begin with. Good bye MWC!!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 9, 2011 8:54 a.m.

    hedgehog | 7:53 a.m.
    "Yes. And you can assume the thompson will do everything in his power to insure that MWC teams never play the kewgs ever again."

    Try as he may, he will not succeed. BYU already has 9 games scheduled with Hawaii through 2020 on the first Saturday of December and 4 games scheduled with Boise State (2012 - 2015). I expect the Boise State matchup to continue since they will be looking for better competition than the MWC has to offer.

    Give it a year or two, and you will see Air Force back on the schedule periodically. But I don't think you'll ever see BYU play Nevada or Fresno State after they stabbed the Cougs in the back.

    BYU's annual schedule will likely look like:
    MWC: 2 teams
    WAC: 1 or 2 teams
    pac: 1 or 2 teams
    Big12: 1 team
    Big 10: 1 team
    ACC: 1 team
    Big East: 1 team
    SEC: 1 team
    Independents: 1 or 2 teams

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    June 9, 2011 8:41 a.m.

    With the large sums of money being paid for new TV contracts, how can the MWC not find a new deal big enough to buy their way out of that horrible contract with The Mountain? I am scratching my head as to how Boise State looked at limited television exposure and still decided to join the MWC.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    June 9, 2011 8:16 a.m.

    Thompson with his not "bolting penalty" will assure the MWC that they retain the overall mediocre schools they've signed.

    And things for the MWC will remain the same for years to come; i.e., mediocrity, low revenues, no recognition, no fan interest.

    The "bolting penalty" will prove of no effect because the MWC will run out of revenue first and declare bankruptcy.

    But then Thompson can always tell himself that it was Utah, BYU, and TCU that did him in.

    But, Thompson, if a cookie company goes bankrupt, it's not the consumers' fault for not buying cookies, it's the company's fault for making cookies that don't taste good.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    June 9, 2011 7:53 a.m.

    "I can't imagine it was a unanimous vote"

    Kewgfantx,

    Yes. And you can assume the thompson will do everything in his power to insure that MWC teams never play the kewgs ever again.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 9, 2011 6:59 a.m.

    I can't imagine it was a unanimous vote. There have got to be a couple of teams in the MWC that know there are better opportunities than the MWC.

    After a year or two of media obscurity, Boise State, Nevada, Fresco State and Hawaii are going to wish they were back in the WAC.

    It wouldn't surprise me if Air Force and Hawaii explore being Independent. In reality a $5 or $6 million dollar penalty is a small price to pay if a team has the opportunity for something better.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    June 8, 2011 10:54 p.m.

    Just when you think the MWC could not pull another studpid stunt, they renew Thompsons contract...now I've seen everything.

  • hymn to the silent Holladay, UT
    June 8, 2011 9:49 p.m.

    The fact that UofU got invited to the pac (with their big media payout) and BYU has media success before even playing a game speaks volumes to how these two teams were undervalued in the mwc. The fact that Thompson couldn't leverage National Assets TCU, BYU, UofU his proof that is business acumen is on par with the conference he is now left with. In the end, everybody got what they deserved.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    June 8, 2011 8:28 p.m.

    If what SLC BYU Fan is saying is true, then that shoots down the Hedgehog, Chris, and others always ragging on everything BYU. If BYU was trying to look out for Utah's interests, then Utah turned redcoat on BYU shen they bolted the MWC for the Pac 10. Maybe you naysayers all owe BYU and its fan a big apology.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2011 6:55 p.m.

    @ CourgarBlue & Willairy: While many at BYU wanted a slot in the Pac-10, most knew they would NEVER get into that league due to being a religious school. Tom Holmoe more than anyone knew the possibility of a Utah only invitation to the Pac-10 when he took over in the spring of 2005, and still further that the Big-12 could be wounded in the bloodbath of league movement this past year. Utah fans need to get over it and more than anything it was 2 decades of mediocrity (70s/80s) against BYU that finally propelled their administration to do something about it. BYU blew their best chance to move into a BCS league when the Big-12 was formed back in 1993, but then again even more than a few Texas legislators and a Baylor alumnus governor at the time, the senior leadership of the LDS Church wouldnt let then BYU president Rex E. Lee deal with the Big-8 and Texas presidents that invited them feeling Utah would be hurt by such a deal the way league structures were beginning to evolve.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    June 8, 2011 6:48 p.m.

    "Any team that plays the likes of Idaho, Idaho St, New Mexico St, San jose St, Utah St and Hawaii in the same year deserve zero respect."

    Wow, gonefishn. You really think that a team that beats Ole Miss, Texas, TCU, Utah, and Oregon State all in the same year (hypothetically speaking) will automatically get no respect because it plays those teams you mentioned? Of course, beating any of these teams next year is yet to be seen as impressive, as ANY of these teams (except perhaps TCU) have a possibility of having 7 or fewer wins. Likewise, all could do rather well. We won't know until it happens.

    If you think that is true, then I have proof that you are wrong: Boise State. They played those teams year in and year out and are nationally respected.

    Also, I suppose that YOU could have done a better job putting together a full independent schedule in only a few months? (considering that schedules are usually made a couple years in advance)

    BYU will do fine, whether you like it or not.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    June 8, 2011 6:07 p.m.

    Hondo | 1:46 p.m. June 8, 2011
    Alpine, UT
    Why are we fortunate enough to read stories about Boylen, the MWC, and Urban Meyer ad nauseum? I think we need more coverage of Crowton, Ingle, and Reid? Why not through in Guy and Giacoletti while we're at it?
    ===

    Why does anyone care about the MWC?

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 8, 2011 3:12 p.m.

    @CougarBlue

    "THe Utes were not the primary contributors to the MWC breakup."

    Fiction. Complete fiction. A fairytale ending that BYU fans have created.

    Until Utah took the spot in the Pac-12 that BYU had been begging for the last 3 decades, BYU had "plans" that were way on the back burner. Utah moving got the wheels turning, just facts BYU fans refuse to accept.

    Had Utah not been promoted, BYU would have stayed right where they were, and kept making "plans" in case something catastraphic happened, like Utah leaving them in the dust.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    June 8, 2011 2:45 p.m.

    gonefishn. Wow. You must have missed all the details in trying to get a schedule going in less than a year's time and "simply" do not understand how a schedule is worked on projecting out 5 years and must work within the framework of the other team's conference commitments. You are myopic when you look at BYU's schedule focusing only on this next year. Take a look at the schedule over the next 3-4 years before a childish comment is made.

    LOTR how did BYU job the MWC? Because they left to look out for their own interests? Because the MWC treated them like a cash cow? Because the MWC is a weak league? An Nauseum. THe Utes were not the primary contributors to the MWC breakup. BYU and Utah both were. Utah joining the new PAC-12 and BYU had already been working on independence before that happened. You are looking through a glass darkly.

  • LOTR Baltimore, MD
    June 8, 2011 2:14 p.m.

    Sounds like Craig Thompson is doing his best to keep the Broncos from bolting as soon as they discover just how horrible the MTN really is.

    hh - after BYU jobbed the MWC.... I can understand the need for rule changes.

    The Utes were the primary contributors to the MWC breakup.

  • Hondo Alpine, UT
    June 8, 2011 1:46 p.m.

    Why are we fortunate enough to read stories about Boylen, the MWC, and Urban Meyer ad nauseum? I think we need more coverage of Crowton, Ingle, and Reid? Why not through in Guy and Giacoletti while we're at it?

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2011 1:38 p.m.

    I don't understand why Alex Smith is so determined to make it as a 49ers quarterback. I suppose each year he is fooled by the hope of a new head coach or a new offensive scheme, but after 5 years of dashed hopes? The 49ers are a toxic organization. Move on and make your name somewhere else. Drew Brees moved on, and did just fine. Go to Arizona or Minnesota. Get out of The Bay!

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 8, 2011 12:49 p.m.

    MWC a little late with that penalty. It's like they are buying an alarm system after their house has already been stripped clean and they've moved out.

    There's no reason for the rest of the conference President's to not renew Hair. It was his awful TV deal that kept giving equal money and TV access to the have-nots of the league, while the teams who produced fell farther behind the BCS teams they were competing with. Teams like Wyoming and New Mexico owe a big allegiance to Hair.

  • govt rocks Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2011 12:40 p.m.

    I agree, I fail to see how Crabtree's comments are a knock on Smith. It is a legitimate question, although all indications are that Smith will be resigned by the 49ers. I also don't see how Smith's comments about Crabtree are at all controversial. If you don't know why someone isn't particpating in voluntary camps, what else are you supposed to say?

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    June 8, 2011 12:39 p.m.

    Pretty certain that any team that plays the likes of Idaho, Idaho St, New Mexico St, San Jose St, Utah St and Hawaii in the same year could not care less about being respected by a non entity worm herder.

    Hair Thompson has no credibility outside of Reno.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    June 8, 2011 12:38 p.m.

    Wow. They actually renewed Craig Thompson's contract?

  • Kaha Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2011 12:17 p.m.

    ...How is Crabtree asking who the QB is and saying that he'll be "100%" behind him a slight on Smith? He's asking the same question all of us are-who is the QB going to be, as Smith is unsigned? Journalism at its finest.

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 8, 2011 12:15 p.m.

    Wow talk about "closing the barn door after the horse has bolted"! Who's left to worry about? BSU? Not likely unless they seriously upgrade the rest of their University outside of football.

    The best thing Utah, BYU and TCU did was run away and never look back from the MWC, even if TCU has to suffer one last year in the minors...

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    June 8, 2011 12:06 p.m.

    after bYu jobbed the MWC.... I can understand the need for rule changes.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2011 12:03 p.m.

    $5 million is a stiff penalty but it will keep the MWC from turning into the wac. As opposed to the Wac the MWC will retain a pretty strong nucleus. Any team that plays the likes of Idaho, Idaho St, New Mexico St, San jose St, Utah St and Hawaii in the same year deserve zero respect.