"Head-to-head stat that matters most:Utah 54 winsBYU 34
winsUtah has owned BYU!"---------------------Duckhunter hunter,You obviously did not read my previous post.
Here are some key stats:Utah 57 home gamesBYU 35 homes gamesThose numbers look like the number of wins. Could there possibly be a
correlation? By the way, most of Utah's wins came from before 1972 (when BYU
only had a home game 16 times in a 49 year time period!). Here's another stat
for you:1972 - presentUtah-- 13 wins-- 20 home gamesBYU-- 26 wins-- 19 home gamesSo it looks like when they start to
evenly distribute home/away games, Utah stands no chance against the mighty
Cougars! Besides, Utah has still played 22 more home games than BYU has, but I
am guessing you and all other Ute fans would be opposed to playing the next 22
games in a row in LES, am I right?Also, to state that head-to-head
is the most important factor, then by that same logic BYU owns Utah in
basketball (they have the overall record).
For those still wrestling with the impact the PAC-12 will have on Utah and the
move to going Independent will have on BYU, I encourage you to read the well
written article on deepshadesofblue titled "Utah still living in BYU's
shadow".The fact is made that Utah will be seen less on
television this year than they were in the MWC last year. That fact is made
that most football fans outside of Utah don't realize Utah has changed
conferences. The fact is made that the Utes joining the PAC-12 will be
overshadowed by "BYU's coming out of obscurity" with all the media
coverage. 9+ wins will only solidify BYU's coverage by ESPN.There is a report coming from a Hawaiian newspaper that the Hawaii game
will also be broadcast on ESPN, bringing the total to 7 games. One reporter is
claiming that 10 BYU games will be broadcast on ESPN channels. The only two
that will likely not make it are against Idaho State (understandably it will be
on BYUtv) and Oregon State (because of the agreement with Fox).Go
@phoenixHead-to-head stat that matters most:Utah 54
winsBYU 34 winsUtah has owned BYU!LOL!
4DBYU has finished in the AP Top 25 17 out of 86 seasons (20%)Utah has finished in the AP Top 25 5 out of 117 seasons (4%)
Michigan Coog,"Perhaps it is because BYU has been playing
tougher non-conference opponents?"I don't know what you're
trying to say in the above statement since you cite no evidence to support your
claim, but when games matter the most:Utah in bowl games is 12-4
with a .750 winning percentage (2 BCS wins)BYU in bowl games is
11-17 with a .392 winning percentage LOL! (maybe you do play tougher games but
there's a difference between participating in those games and winning those
games)"BYU is set to have a great season w/ 18 of 22 starters
returning, that were on a roll at the end of last season."The
first part of your statement may be correct, but check the level of competition
you played in your alleged roll at the end of last season. You won 4 out of 5
in the regular season. Heck, I'll give you 5 out of 6 if we count the bowl
game, but only one of those teams had a winning record and you lost. Guess who
it was?BYU will not win its first 5 games. You're losing it, brah.
Dear Ute Fans. So many of you touted the fact that Utah is a research
university and BYU is not considered a research university and that is why Utah
was invited to join the new PAC-12. You belittled BYU for not getting the invite
to join the new PAC-12 because of this fact. If Utah is such a
"great research university", then you failed to learn that skill,
because most of your comments show little or no research whatsoever. Your posts
continue to further demonstrate that you did not learn this while attending the
U. Many of you come on here and bemoan the fact the the PAC-10 does
not have Utah on the website yet, failing to realize (with your great
intellectual acumen gained at this research university) that Utah does not join
the PAC-12 until July 1, 2011 and is not part of the current PAC-10. Remember when you point your finger at someone else there are three pointing
back at you.
4D,Great you have 2 top 10 finishes this decade...GREAT! For the
rest of your history? Crickets...Yeah, BYU has only had 3 top ten finishes in
their history...only slightly better. Perhaps it is because BYU has been playing
tougher non-conference opponents? Except for last year, and obvious rebuilding
year for BYU, along w/ a perfect storm of events that led to a 7-6 record. Well
you know something? That'll be Utah's lot this year...which is so plainly
obvious to the musses. Whereas, BYU is set to have a great season w/ 18 of 22
starters returning, that were on a roll at the end of last season.Anyone w/ half a brain can see this happening in both cases: Utah has a green
offense, led by a QB (Wynn) that has no confidence, no experienced RB's to hand
off to, and BYU returns everyone, with a very confident QB that is ready to
light things up. And, with 5 national TV broadcasts in the 1st month, if BYU
manages to win all 5 (very possible), they'll be TOP-10 easy, until they face
TCU in Dallas...
4D | 10:24 a.m. June 7, 2011 Provo, UT"Byu fans seem to
be content finishing between 10-25, but anything but a Bcs game is a
disappointment to Utah fans. "This is why BYU fans are the best
fans- we love our team even if they are struggling. LES is mostly full even
when we play the likes of Wyoming- or are having a bad year. I hope it doesn't
happen, but we shall see what RES looks like when the UTES have a losing record.
I imagine it will look similar to the Huntsman center these past few years.
@4dYou sure are trying hard top prove something. Keep it up because
I think you have wedgie, howie and christina b convinced of whatever it is. I
have my doubts about anyone else.
I read the article and am not sure what ANY of it has to do with Utah's football
program. It makes me wonder if all of these posters actually read it
or if some are just looking for an excuse to be rude. Or, rather, create an
excuse to be anonymously and unnecessarily rude. What you post anonymously says
a lot about who you really are. I'm happy to welcome these young men
to the University I love and I hope they have wonderful experiences there. I'm
also so excited about the upcoming football TV schedule. I like Greg Wrubell and
his enthusiasm and all, but it still better to be able to WATCH the game! Go Cougars!!!
All Byu fans do is bring up their top 25 finishes this past decade. One thing
Byu hasn't been able to do since leaving the Wac is finish in the top five. Byu
fans measure their success on finishing the season with with two or three
losses, and finishing the season ranked between 10-25. One difference between
Byu and Utah is that Utah has shown their ability to be a top ten program, and
Byu has shown that they are consistent at going 10-2 and finishing in the bottom
half of the top 25. Byu fans seem to be content finishing between 10-25, but
anything but a Bcs game is a disappointment to Utah fans. Utah: Two
top five finishes this past decadeByu: No top five finishes this past
@ 4D,Remember my post about how statistics can be used to tell lies?
Your comment about some draftees not being recruited by the current coaches
shows that the point you're trying to make doesn't hold water.Give
these two coaches another few years, then make draft comparisons based on who
they each recruited. Then you can say whether one school does a better job than
the other in that.Head-to-head, aren't these two coaches even?In overall wins during their careers, they're nearly dead even also.
Bronco wins = 56-21 (.727); Kyle wins = 58-20 (.744). Two great
@What's"They WERE that great by year's end. Earlier slip-ups
cost them an undefeated season.And year's end are when bowls are
played, thus my OPINION that the team would have beaten Utah's two BCS winning
teams."LOL!!!!!!!!!!! That could be the funniest thing I've
read on this board. You're really saying that the BYU team that beat Oregon in
the Las Vegas bowl was better than the 2 Utah BCS teams? LOL!
The following is a draft breakdown since 2005 when Kyle and Btonce started their
coaching career at Byu and Utah. I believe that their are several methods to
measure how well a program is recruiting. One measuring stick is the amount of
players that are drafted to the NFL. Although, some of the players drafted
during this time frame were not recruited by these coach's. It has a reflection
on how well the coach's can develop talent and how well the program is doing
overall. BYUTotal Player Drafted: 9Offense: 6Defense: 3Utah: 19Offense: 6Defense: 13It
appears that both schools are pretty even on players drafted on offense.
However, on the defense side of the ball there is a huge discrepancy. Utah
obviously has done a better job recruiting defensive players.
@ Boo Ya!!!They WERE that great by year's end. Earlier slip-ups cost
them an undefeated season.And year's end are when bowls are played,
thus my OPINION that the team would have beaten Utah's two BCS winning teams.And I DID root heartily for Utah when they beat Alabama. I watched it on
a hospital monitor while waiting for a grandbaby to be born. Good night all
Curious "WhatsInItForMe" if that byu team was so GREAT, what were they
doing in the Las Vegas bowl in the first place?
The BYU team that blew out Oregon in the Las Vegas bowl would have beat Utah's
2004 and 2008 teams, easily.There! An opinion.Pretty
much what anyone else here has spouted (opinions) when comparing teams that
never played each other.It's all opinion.The truth's in
the game. Utah lucked out last time. BYU won't need luck next time.Again, opinion!And, mine's better than yours (being facetious).All opinions have equal weight because they're predicting the future,
which no one can do completely accurately.Still, it's fun to banter,
"If we're going back in history, man of few, why not go to the start? From
1896 to 1972 BYU managed to beat BYU 8 times. LOL!Record over that
period:Utah = 41 wins BYU = 8 Ties = 4Overall series:Utah 54 wins and BYU only has 31 [sic]. LOL!"Ok, but
here are a few stats to note:1896-1972 (same year range):Utah--- 41
wins--- 37 home gamesBYU---- 8 wins---- 16 home gamesAnd
considering that from 1896 to 1922 BYU didn't really have much of a team (more
like an intramural sport) and didn't really become popular until the 60's.Some more stats:Overall:Utah--- 54 wins--- 57 home gamesBYU---- 34 wins--- 35 home gamesThey look awfully similar, don't
they? Let's look at the other time period you didn't include (1972-present):Utah--- 13 wins--- 20 home gamesBYU---- 26 wins--- 19 home gamesOUCH! Now that the home/away games start to even out and BYU starts
caring about football, Utah has been owned by BYU!Nothing stings a
Ute fan like the truth.
Duckhunter:You are exactly right. My bad. Time to eat some crow.
Thanks for the correction.
@flintrockIf you are going to make dubious claims you should at
least check the facts before you do it.1st of all Nebraska was not
even in the running for the National Championship in 1984 when BYU won it. The
Nebraska/Miami game you are refering to happened in the Orange Bowl the previous
season. LOLFor a "former" BYU fan that actually attended
the Holiday Bowl in which BYU won the National Championship you would think you
would actually know the particulars.LOL
1. For the record, a 40-point blowout AT HOME, is MUCH BIGGER, than a 28-point
blowout on the road.2. Glad some of you Ute fans aren't managing my
portfolio. Good year trending bad at the end or mediocre year trending up at the
end. 3. Uteology, call it a tired argument if you like, but BYU bad
behavior was reprimanded and followed by apologies. Last years team behavior by
Utah went unchecked and was followed by humiliation at the hands of Boise and
very nearly by an admittedly mediocre BYU team.
flintrock" I was a BYU supporter back in 84. I changed teams
because of the arrogance and self-righteous example I saw to much of. Yes I
still go to church and pay a full tithe."===Funny,
those are the same qualities from the Ute fans (such as the ones who post
negative, childish drivel on other team's articles) that turn me (and many, many
others)off to Ute sports. Yes, I still live in Utah and pay a full tax.
"Unless you're talking about the state (of Utah) then yes, it was the
biggest game."-Me, DN message boards (published before your
comment)You're still bragging about being blown out by slightly
fewer points (nice), and you're still using that to compare yourself to a team
that beat you.
That's great. But remember, we also need some DBs!
"The biggest game in the history of the state will be played Saturday
afternoon at Rice-Eccles Stadium... The two teams come into this week's game
both undefeated with a combined 17-0 record and BCS rankings of No. 3 for TCU
and No. 5 for Utah."-- Mike Sorensen, DN (Published: Monday,
Nov. 1, 2010 12:07 a.m. MDT)The only reason the game didn't become
the biggest game in Utah history is because it became the biggest humiliation in
Utah history.TCU 47Utah 7By the way, a 40-point
blowout AT HOME, is MUCH BIGGER, than a 28-point blowout on the road.
Don't know much about the 2 lineman who committed but being a huge fan of FL.
high school football, both linebackers are the real deal. Look for both of them
to do some real dammage by their Soph. years.
"Utah gets destroyed by TCU"Uuugh.. Don't remind me. I was on
the 14th row. 9th row at Notre Dame. Don't know which was worse."BYU was in the game for most of the first half"Its a shame
about that second half they have to play in every football game."supposedly biggest game in Utah history"The biggest game in
Utah history was the Sugar Bowl where we "seal clubbed Alabama in the deep
south" according to Rick Reily. Unless you're talking about the state.
Then yes, it was technically the biggest game, but every reasonable U fan I know
knew we were prob overrated, and that was an amazing TCU team."deficits"Really? We're really talking smack about getting
blown out by slightly fewer points? To prove what- who was the better team?
Because we figured that one out when they played against each other.
@troytown"point is BYU still out performed Utah in a number of
top 25 finishes.."Yes, some years they were better than Utah was. No
one is arguing that. Your point is changing. Utah clearly accomplished more on a
national level, but the head to head matchup in the rivalry has been great."..national individual award winners."Woah- now you won
plural individual awards? Were these also awards that no one other than a BYU
fan would trash talk over?"U fans curl into a fetal pos.."
This is exactly why U fans are more tolerable than the Y- because they
don't do that. There is a fan base in this state that thinks they are the best
team in the nation every preseason, regardless of facts or accomplishments, but
it isn't at the U. "Bronco has 2.."Props to Bronco,
he's a good coach.(continued)
@FlintrockJim McMahon and the 81 Cougars would have beat the 84 NC BYU
team too...and made mincemeat out of the 2004 and 2008 Uteys...so what's your
point...big deal... you got two also rans and nothing more...meanwhile the
hardware in Provo speaks for itself. Go hug your 1944 NCAA BB NC trophy...
one of the years when all of the real men were off fighting a war and the 4f's
were home trying to look like they were playing real basketball.
truthsandwichThe point is, even during Utah's best decade ever, and
BYU's worst decade since the 70's, BYU still outperformed Utah in number of Top
25 finishes and national individual award winners.Utah fans brag
about successes, but curl into a fetal position when you point out Utah's flaws,
like Kyle constantly losing to mediocre teams in the MWC, which explains why
Bronco has two MWC championships and Kyle only one.Utah stomps UCLA
at home, then goes on the road the very next week and is shutout by 2-10 UNLV
0-27.Utah builds up an impressive early season record to rise a Top
5 ranking in 2010, then promptly gets destroyed at home by TCU 7-47, as well as
by Notre Dame and Boise State.Even in a rebuilding year, with a
completely new backfield and a freshman QB, BYU was in the game at TCU until the
closing moments of the first half.In the supposedly biggest game in
Utah history, Utah lost to TCU in the first quarter.Oct 16th - BYU
at TCU 3-31 (28-point deficit)Nov 6th - TCU at Utah 7-47 (40-point
UteBusters:Were you born when BYU won its NC 27 years ago. I
actually went to the game.BYU was given the NC because Nebraska went for
the 2 points and a win instead of a tie. If they had simply kicked the extra
point they would have been voted the NC over BYU even if they tied with
Miami. Tom Osborne... A real man2004 and 2008 Utah teams
would have killed the 1984 BYU NC team and I was a BYU supporter back in 84. I
changed teams because of the arrogance and self-righteous example I saw to much
of. Yes I still go to church and pay a full tithe. I just wear red shirts
celebrating BCS wins in 04 and 08.
@Troy TownSo your comeback to duckhunter hunter's comment about 2
BCS wins being far superior to your 1984 Shampionship is to brag about Top 25
finishes, beating Wyoming, and winning doak walker awards? Dude I'm not even a
BYU fan and I could have done better than that.
Duckhunter HunterBYU - four Top 25 finishes in the last five years,
including three in the Top 15, and five in the last decadeUtah -
five Top 25 finishes in their entire history, including three in the Top 15, and
only four in the last decadeBYU - two MWC championships in the last
five yearsUtah - one MWC championship in the last five yearsCurrent CoachesKyle has lost to every team in the MWC
including New Mexico(twice), Wyoming, Colorado State, and UNLV(0-27)Bronco has NEVER lost to New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State, or UNLVBYU also won another national individual award during the last decade - the
Doak Walker AwardUtah has NEVER won a national individual awardrecent head-to-head, BYU has won 3 of the last 5 (60%), and 26 of the
last 39 (66%)Even with their two BCS wins and having their best
decade in history, Utah still can't compete with BYU.See you in
@ deductive reasoningSome of them also have more than one other
school with a decent football program show interest in them too.
WhatsInIt,You sound like a poor imitation of a Mastercard
commercial, but, in the end, fail to deliver anything of substance. What BYU-Utah record has BYU "WAY ahead" as you say? Certainly,
it's not head-to head performance.Don't quote the 1984 NC, which BYU
backed into and is laughed at by college football fans around the country as
being the most hollow championship in all of college sports. Beating a 5th
place team in any conference is hardly worth bragging about. None of the teams
that would have been worthy opponents wanted to play BYU because they knew how
big of a joke it was. Both of the teams Utah played in BCS games would have
soundly beat a 5th place team (and probably beat BYU's '84 team). And if you're referring to recent performance Utah has won 6 out of the last
9, dating back to 2002. And, as you know, Utah won the most recent game and
does not own the title of 3rd best team in the state (31-16 and it wasn't even
that close! LOL!!!!!!!!!!)
Cougar Claws | 11:23 a.m. June 6, 2011 Lindon, UT Re: UteologySo how about we just assume that 9 out of every 10 black athletes are
better than white athletes, there's a smart idea.Don't be
ridiculous. ===Are we really asking Uteology not to be
rediculous.La Griffe du Lion, who Uteology cited, is an anonymous
name.Uteology, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control,
a teenager of European descent is 4 times more likely than his African- American
classmate to be a regular cocaine user. While, according to the Justice
Department, if he's arrested on drug charges, he's 1-½ times more likely
than his white classmate to be sent to prison. Are you saying this
is intrinsic, or extrinsic?Are you claiming different genes...====Or, can we (4D and Uteology) talk football, and all
sports, without the racism?Just because ya hate BYU, let's agree that we
don't bring every possible scenario into the mix.===Might I
sugguest a little sensitivity training, a socialology class, and a little
sensitivity to all readers of the Deseret News...
At this rate well be awesome forever.
@ Duckhunter Hunter,Ancient (I wasn't born then) history in sports
means absolutely nothing.Recent (I'm old enough to remember the
games) history in sports means something.Recent (the last several
years) history means a little more for predicting future outcomes.Current history (we're in between at the moment) just means some of us can
smile, others hope.Future (next year) history in sports means
everything.The BYU-Utah record that's more applicable has BYU WAY
ahead.We'll see again on September 17th, won't we?
Duckhunter:I am pretty sure the Church still owned BYU back in the days,
hmmm. Harline is still open and so is Austin Collie.
BYU was owned back in the leather helmet days! And, overall, Utah still owns
them! Struck a chord with you guys, didn't I? Either talk about all of the
history or talk about recent history. Which is it?If we talk about
overall history, BYU has been owned by Utah head-to-head. 54 wins for Utah to
31 for th Yners.If we talk about recent history, Utah has won 2 BCS
games (something BYU hasn't done even once) and won 6 out of the last 9. And
how does it feel to be the 3rd best team in the state (31-16 ring a bell? and it
wasn't even that close)? LOL!
ImaCaMan | 1:31 p.m. June 6, 2011 Redlands, CA ...also
recruited by Navy, Harvard and Princeton. Ha! If he was being recruited for the
debate team maybe I'd be impressed. -----------------------Sorry to burst your jealous little bubble, but not all football players are
dumb jocks. Some of them are also very smart.
Duckhunter Hunter Yes, it's pretty amazing that the team that once
dominated the series during the leather helmet era could tank so badly as soon
as the other team developed a pulse.
Duckhunter HunterYes, and now you get to show your games on Versus
while you troll BYU articles. How very special that must make you feel. LOLI'll think of you while watching ESPN .... actually, I probably won't.
Heaps is so overrated it's silly, but he's still better than the U qb. With
that said Ammon Olsen is going to be the best Cougar qb in camp this fall and
will make Heaps think seriously about going on a mission or transferring after
he comes into camp and takes Jake's job.
Past history is only good for some things, like getting ESPN to foot your
football bill for awhile. Like with BYU's independence.Otherwise,
truecoug1 is correct. Bronco vs Whit is where it's at. If they both stick with
their teams awhile, this could really be fun. They're both great coaches.
...also recruited by Navy, Harvard and Princeton. Ha! If he was being
recruited for the debate team maybe I'd be impressed.
@Duckhunter HunterI see you've become an ancient history major. I'm
more into current trends, and I'm very excited for September 17. Just curious .
. . has Wynn gotten the stiches from his surgery removed yet?
@Duckhunter Hunter "From 1896 to 1972 BYU managed to beat BYU 8 times.
LOL!" Wow, that's an impressive feat. How did BYU manage to beat
themselves 8 times? :) My two cents on the whole BYU/Utah
series...keep it to the current coaches, since that seems to be applicable to
the here and now. 3-3 between Bronco and Whit. One thing is for sure, it's one
of the best rivalries in the nation, and I'm excited that the whole nation will
have a chance to be exposed to it September 17th and from here on out. Go
"BYU managed to beat Utah" is what I meant to say in my second
If we're going back in history, man of few, why not go to the start? From 1896
to 1972 BYU managed to beat BYU 8 times. LOL!Record over that
period:Utah = 41 wins BYU = 8 Ties = 4Overall
series:Utah 54 wins and BYU only has 31. LOL!
TrueBlue"Pre-2004, what exactly did Utah accomplish on the
national stage?"Well, from 1972 - 1992 The Utes were able to
beat the Cougars 2 whole times! How's that for starters? LOL
Re: UteologySo how about we just assume that 9 out of every 10 black
athletes are better than white athletes, there's a smart idea.Don't
I see the future with clear blue eyes and it is nice. All you guys with red
eyes, get some visene.
flintrock | 9:07 a.m. June 6, 2011 Rigby, Id True Blue:Winning the MWC means nothing on the national stage. -----------------------Maybe not alot, but winning a MWC
championship certainly means alot more than finishing 3rd, and it's light years
ahead of ancient conference championships from the Rocky Mountain and Skyline
conference era, which another Utah fan blogger was claiming were national
stage-type accomplishments. Pre-2004, what exactly did Utah
accomplish on the national stage?
flintrockSorry, the only thing that really counts is winning
National Championships and Heiman Trophies, the twin pinnacles of major college
football.National ChampionshipsBYU 1Utah 0Heisman TrophiesBYU 1Utah 0Yipping, ankle-gumming dogs
with lesser accomplishments need not apply.
flintrockThanks ... we'll be sure to remember that while we're
watching all of those Saturday games on ESPN. Have fun with Versus, though. (Oh, and while we are polishing all of those trophies we have that U
haven't even been in contention for).
From all the Ute Trolls commenting on this article, you can tell that they are
worried, and you can't say otherwise. The exposure BYU will be getting through
the years will bring in more and more talent across the country, not just Utah,
California or Texas.
True Blue:Winning the MWC means nothing on the national stage. The
only thing that counts is were you good enough to be invited to a BCS game and
did you win that game. BYU 0 Invites and 0 winsUtah 2
Invites and 2 wins.BYU is a barking dog with no teeth.
Uteology2008 was the high-water mark for Utah football. Just like
1998 was the high-water mark for Utah basketball.And just like
basketball, Utah football is in decline. The dismal end to 2010 is just the
I cannot comprehend the acrimony over a few Junior commits. Clearing our heads
for a minute. Here are the arguable truths:Recruiting success is
better defined by finding the best players for the team which takes into account
athleticism, football IQ, character, work ethic, and team vs self focus. Each
team weights these variables differently. People who assign stars to players
weight these variables too. BYU adds a specific moral component to these
variables as well. I am happy that BYU got the players they think fit their
system.Utah is a good team that is probably in for a rebuilding year
in a tougher conference than the MTN. Kyle is a good/smart coach who will help
his program leverage the increased prestige and recruiting opportunities that
come from the PAC. By the stars, the Utes have a recruiting advantage over the
cougars.BYU has a strong team identity and does amazing things with
often overlooked players. They get an A+ for turning these players into stars.
Independence improves BYU's exposure, recruiting options, and income. BYU also
has blown more big games than they should have. Bronco is addressing the
problems and we should expect improvements.
4D | 1:28 a.m. June 5, 2011 Provo, UTSince 1999 Byu is 3 and 16
against ranked teams.@ 4d - I respect your right to free speech, but
if you're going to quote statistics, please make sure you have the right
information. The above record is incorrect. Please do your homework and
re-post the correct record. This time, don't rely on hh for your statistics.Or you can look at a longer time period per CFBTrivia.BYU
against ranked teams 25-54-1Utah against ranked teams 15-84-0Since 1974BYU has finished the season ranked 17 times.Utah has
finished the season ranked 5 times.The dominance is obvious.
4D2010Utah1. Reggie Dunn 4 star recruit - Coming
to Utah from Junior College Ranks2. John Cullen 4 star recruit -
Coming to Utah from Junior College Ranks3. V.J. Vehonko 4 star recruit
- Couldn't find anything on him.4. Kenneth Scott 4 star recruit -
3 Star Position Rating according to Scout5. Terrel Reese 4 star recruit
- 2 Star Position Rating according to Scout6. Tevita Finau 4 star
recruit - 4 Star Position Rating according to Scout
Y Grad / Y DadThe behavior of many Utah players BEFORE the Boise
State game last year was almost more embarrassing than the outcome of the game.
--------------Not this argument again, speaking of
embarrassing:A) BYU apologizes to USU for ill-advised Jumbotron
message -- DN (Nov 18, 2010)B) BYU football: Max Hall reprimanded
by Mountain West Conference -- DN (Nov. 30, 2009)C) BYU football:
Max Hall apologizes for tirade -- DN (Nov. 30, 2009)D) BYU football:
Lamb, Jorgensen reprimanded for comments in Daily Herald -- DN (Nov. 23,
2009)As far as winning goes, Utah has been considered a top 10
program over the last decade, like by CBS Sports. Yes, I know BYU
has 5 vs 4 Top 25 rankings, but...I guess people at CBS Sports don't
think two #25 BYU teams(2001 2008) are that much better than a #26 Utah (2010)
team. The rest is not even close to the two undefeated top 5 rankings.Over the last 3 years Utah had 13 players drafted who went Utah wen 33-6 (lost
to #2, #6, #8, #11, #12, Notre Dame)... and every Ute will tell you 2010 was a
WhatsInItForMeI am as much a BYU fan as anyone but your claim that
if BYU loses more than 2 games this year he will be a complete failure it
absurd. Clearly you have never played the game at any true competitive level.
BYU will be playing Ol' Miss on their turf Sept. 3rd. Have you ever been in the
South in Sept? It is hot. It is muggy. If your body is not accustomed to that
kind of humid heat, it can have a real impact on your performance. The odds of
muscles cramping up sky rocket because you just don't realize how much fluid you
are loosing. It's similar to when teams come to Provo to play and you see them
sucking on the oxygen because their lungs aren't used to the altitude.Please be more realistic with your prognostications.
@Uteology"Utah hasn't been humiliated since 2007 @UNLV"1) Um, I recall ESPN College Gameday coming to SLC last year for a huge
showdown between Utah and TCU. Ute fans were saying it was gonna be another BCS
year, and they were going to show TCU what Pac12 teams are gonna do. And what
happened? TCU put up 44 points on a "fast, NFL talent laden" Utah
defense. Btw, BYU held TCU to fewer points last year. 2) 2010 Vegas
Bowl. No need to say more.Go Cougars!
Uteology | 3:58 p.m. June 5, 2011 Fort Worth, Texas FACT: Utah
hasn't been humiliated since 2007 @UNLV vs below .500 teams... --------------------------------------Wow! Three full seasons
since Utah was humiliated 0-27 by a 2-win team.BYU hasn't been shut
out by a team with 2 or fewer wins, since 1959... doing the math, I think that's
over half a century.But, congratulations on making it whole three
years since your last shut out humiliation.Now tell us about those
three humiliations and two near misses in your last five games:TCU(13-0) 7-47at SDSU(9-4) 38-34at Notre Dame(8-5) 3-28BYU(7-6) 17-16Boise State(12-1) 3-26
@VeritasWhat does skin color have to do with football?-------------What? Do you live in a bubble?Simple
statistics really. The probability is greater that a young black male is more
likely to be an athlete than a white male.Here's what I found:"Only the most committed egalitarian ideologue can deny the black
edge in basketball, football and sprinting. Tune in an NBA game and there is a
fair chance you will find ten black players on the court. Try an NFL game. Most
of the faces on the field will be black as well. Then measure this against the
fact that blacks comprise about 13 percent of all Americans. But nowhere is
black superiority more dramatically illustrated than in sprinting. No white has
ever run a 100m in less than 10 seconds. At least 30 blacks have."-- La Griffe du Lion
UteanymousNice observation. I asked a similar question over a year
ago - with all the NFL draftees, why didn't Utah finish higher? Maybe the
answer to both of our questions lies in the discipline of the team. The behavior of many Utah players BEFORE the Boise State game last year was
almost more embarrassing than the outcome of the game. Perhaps that
speed doesn't translate into the self discipline necessary to be consistently
sammyg | 8:25 p.m. June 4, 2011Assume the fetal position as it's
truly familiar to you when the Utes play real 'non-cupcake' teams. ------------FACT: Utah hasn't been humiliated since 2007 @UNLV vs
below .500 teams... 33-6 since then, the only final un-ranked team was @Notre
Dame (#19 USA Today).FACT: Over the same period BYU has been put in
the "fetal position" 9 times, including against cupcakes: #114 Utah
State, #50 UofA, 7-6 FSU @LES.Shhh... just don't let BYU fans like
sammyg in on the joke.
Hey! What happened to all those Thursday night games that all those
Ute fans were promising us?! Man, Chris B ... I'm going to stop "marking it
4D | 2:46 p.m. June 4, 2011 Provo, UT Eric Weddle is an anomaly. He
is more exception than the rule. Tell me how many white safeties their are in
the NFL? Not counting Eric weddle. ===Did you really go
there?What does skin color have to do with football?That
is classic Utah logic. Outlandish statements, if it supports and
4D | 1:28 a.m. June 5, 2011 Provo, UT Although, Utah was 0-2
against ranked teams in 2010. They have winning record against ranked teams in
the last decade.------------------So why didn't Utah
have more Top 25 finishes or win more conference championships?Simple answer:Because Utah commonly loses to mediocre teams like
New Mexico, Wyoming, CSU, and UNLV, teams Bronco has never lost to, but teams
Kyle has lost to multiple times, including that embarrassing 0-27 shutout to a
2-10 UNLV team.Expect more of the same in the PAC 12. Utah's road
record against PAC 10 teams in the last decade is dreadful.
Is there some reason Utah fans are still obsessing about BYU recruits, BYU
television coverage, all things BYU?Hasn't it been almost a year
since the Utes left the Cougars in their rearview mirror?Actions
speak louder than words.
4DHMMMM..... How dense are you???...what did I say about BYU
secondary...almost the same didn't I??? So you produce fast secondaries and we
produce great QB's and good and almost as fast recievers...sort of offsets the
whole we're superior to you hokus pokus you keep spouting off about. BYU's
always been an outscore the opponent team I didn't say otherwise. The point is
still the same The U hasn't become a recruiting sensation over BYU or any other
MWC overnight just because the U is going to the PAC. In fact you're more than
likely going to experience a dramatic reversal. You're basing so much on star
power is meaningless.
flintrock"When it comes right down to it BYU has not been very
good the last few years."Two undefeated MWC championships, four
10+ win seasons, and four Top 25 finishes (including three in the Top 15) says
otherwise.But, you're welcome to your biased opnion.
4D"The overlap come in the state of Utah. Most of BYU
recruiting takes place in the state of Utah."--Austin Hoyt, a
6-foot-7, 240-pound offensive lineman from Argonaut High in Jackson, CA--Brayden Kearsley, a 6-5, 277-pound offensive lineman from Aloha High School
in the Portland, OR, area--Bobby Wolford, a 6-3, 230-pound
linebacker from Jacksonville, FL--Phillip Amone, a 6-foot, 218-pound
linebacker from Orlando, FLAll four newly announced BYU recruits
come from the West Coast or Florida.59 of the 118 players listed on
BYU's roster for 2011-12 are from outside the state of Utah.For
someone who is so obsessed with BYU recruiting, you sure don't seem know much
about it except for your own biased opinions.Bronco recruits LDS and
non-LDS athletes who will fit in with BYU's culture and honor code standards,
but over half of BYU's students come from OUTSIDE the state of Utah, unlike
Utah, where almost 90% of the students are from Utah.
@In my humble opinionIf you'd paid attention after the game Bronco said he
deferred the call to Anae so it was Anae that made the call...Broncho put it in
his hands...It was the wrong call regardless of who called it. The 3 points
would have made a need for Utah to score twice on two posessions to take the
lead. Early in the 3rd qtr should have registered to kick the field goal would
have been the right call.. You can dice it all you want but Anae gambled with
Bronco's deference and made the wrong call period...and it cost the game.
Don't get me wrong here, had BYU not gone independent, I would have really been
upset that Utah got the PAC-12 invite and we didn't. But isn't the
PAC almost irrelevant to the rest of the nation? Until recently, it was part of
four states, bordered on one side by the Pacific Ocean and the other by deserts
and mountains. I grew up in D.C. and because of the time zones, PAC-10 games
started around 10:00 p.m. my time. And it's not just the PAC-12; the ACC and Big
East also have a relatively narrow corridor to work in. You don't have to go
very far for the BIG-10 and SEC to become the "premier" conference in
the region.Utah fans, I'm not dissing your upward move. Good for
you, really. But the reality is that outside of four western states (and parts
of two others), I'm not sure anyone is really going to care if Oregon or USC
isn't playing. BYU, on the other hand, will spend their season
playing all across the nation in the backyards of all the great conferences.
4DSince 1999Conference ChampionshipBYU 4Utah
4Top 25 FinishesBYU 5Utah 4A closer look at
Utah's Top 25 wins shows that they all came at home or at neutral sites. In
other words, the wins are more a product of where the games were played than in
superior recruiting by Utah.Didn't Utah play well against inferior
teams last year, and then got blown away by quality Top 25 teams? Except for 2004 and 2008, Utah hasn't even done that well against inferior
teams on the road. During the past decade Utah has lost road games to:California(3-8) 21-24New Mexico(5-7) 3-10Colorado St(7-5) 17-19Air Force(6-6) 37-38Arizona(4-8) 17-23SDSU(4-9) 17-36New
Mexico(7-7) 35-42Texas A&M(4-8) 26-28No Carolina(5-6) 17-31Colorado St(6-6) 17-21UCLA(7-6) 10-31Wyoming(6-6) 15-31New
Mexico(6-7) 31-34UNLV(2-10) 0-27 Utah's "speedy"
secondary will be exposed against BYU's passing game on September 17th.
When it comes right down to it BYU has not been very good the last few years.
They win a couple of games against good talent every once in a while but by and
large they lose the big games. Utah has been pretty good that last few years.
They stumbled at the end of last year with poor QB play. Until BYU can get into
a BCS game and actually win it they really are just a barking dog with no
teeth.Yes you did win a NC 27 years age. That's Twenty Seven year ago.
Half the state of Utah was no even born then.Yes Utah was lucky to
win the game last year. I too was shocked when the kicked was blocked. Some days
your lucky and some days your not.This YearUtah 7-5
maybe 6-6 and great if 8-4BYU 10-2 to many cupcakes
Utes, bcs, money, bcs bowl games, is that all you can talk about. I am not
necessarily a ute or Y fan, but I will say that I was pulling for the U against
alabama. The reason I was for U was because of the arrogance of Ala, and now I
see why they were that way, BCS. I will be darned it must be catching as the u
now has that same arrogance.By the way, in the Alabama game wasn't
the best player on Alabama out of the game. Seems to me it was a left tackle,
you know, "blind side". Do you think that had anything at all to do
with the u getting some of the sacks and tfl's. Before you make an excuse,
remember "good teams" play through injury and other distractions. So
what was it, Alabama not good, injured, u better, what. The same reasoning is
being bantered about for Wynn and u. If any team says their best player wasn't
in the game then, the better team won. Right?
sammyg:Since 1999 Byu is 3 and 16 against ranked teams. This proves
my theory that Byu does well against cupcakes, but gets exposed against teams in
the top twenty five. Its the same story every year Byu does well against
inferior teams then gets blown away by quality top twenty five team. In fact in
2008 Utah beat five ranked teams, that is more than Byu has beat in the past
decade.( i.e. Michigan, Oregon State, Byu, Tcu, and Alabama.) Although, Utah was
0-2 against ranked teams in 2010. They have winning record against ranked teams
in the last decade.
To Where's Stockton ???:Your telling me that Utah and Byu recruit the same
in the speed positions. In the last three years Utah has had five players taken
in the NFL draft that play either safety or corner. Since 1986 Byu has had four
defensive backs drafted. Utah has had more players drafted in the last three
years in the secondary positions than Byu has in the past 25 years. Everyone
knows that Byu achilles heal has been their secondary. Everyone knows speed
kills byu.1. 2008: Sean Smith Miami Dolphins2. 2008: Bryce
Mccain Houston Texans3. 2009: Robert Johnson Tennessee Titans4.
2009: Rj Stanford Carolina Panthers5. 2010: Brandon Burton Minnesota
Counter Intelligence | 11:36 p.m. June 4, 2011 Salt Lake City, UTbitter comments from Howard S and inane comments from Ernest----------Dude, if you are responding to Howard and Ernest, you aren't
4D | 5:40 p.m. June 4, 2011 Provo, UTUteanymous:Lets
face it Byu recruits are mostly white and lds. Whether, they are from Utah or
not they still lack the team speed that teams like Utah and Tcu have.----------Thanks for showing your bigoted colors. I'm sure Eric
Weddle appreciates your theory that a player must be non-white to be fast or
quality.By the way, on your "recruiting wins
championships" theory, aside from the fact only one of your three national
champions had the #1 class, there is the fact that Utah doesn't have the #1
class in its conference. So which is it, recruiting wins and Utah won't, or
recruiting doesn't win and Utah will? If you are going to argue, at least be
"Where's Stockton ??? | 8:19 a.m. June 4, 2011 BYU's coaching
staff... specifically Robert Anae... gave the Utah game away early in the 3rd
quarter by gambling away the opportunity of the easy chip shot field goal on the
4th and inches. BYU had the game in the bag early. Even the blocked punt would
have had no impact on the outcome of the game if the coaching staff hadn't gave
the game away on that single play."--------Kick or go for
it is a head coach's call, not an assistant's. The fact Bronco either, A)
didn't make the call, or B) let Anae take the heat for it, shows a flaw as a
Howard,You say Big Whoop, but the fact is your Utes wanted those
kids and BYU got them. No point in trying to down play this. Remember when many
of U posters kept talking about being one of the big boys and how it would help
recruiting? Well so far it really hasn't. Is that also a big whoop?
One last comment.....No matter what side of this argument you are
on:LOOKS like everyone is in mid-season form!!!Thanks
for al the laughs today!!!!
@4D"They do well against the cupcakes, but get exposed against
top 25 teams."Deja vu! Pinch me! Is this November and December
2010?7-47, 3-28, 3-2613 pitiful points against real
competion and you bring up 'cupcakes'? That's hilarious!Feeling comfortable and secure in your position in the PAC 10.2? Assume the fetal position as it's truly familiar to you when the Utes play
real 'non-cupcake' teams. Thought a 10-3 season was great? Kiss it
goodbye. Aint' going to happen again for a long long time.So if
playing in a bowl is your dream goal have we got bowl deal for you, the bowl
name was recently changed to better reflect the 'legacy' of former
participants... The LasVegas Beatdown Bowl. Thank you BSU!
The better it is for BYU, the more the ute trolls squirm. And they are squirming
4DDude get real... other than occasionally at the safeties... BYU's well
known persistent weakest link... Utah is no faster position wise than BYU year
in and year out. Your recruiting hasn't suddenly blossomed over night. Utah is
no more likely to draw away the SEC types of the deep secondary as any other
School now or formally a part of the MWC... including TCU which yes... being a
Texas school... was better at drawing faster secondary types than both Utah and
BYU. Don't kid yourself... just drawing a PAC invite hasn't suddenly turned
Utah into a bunch of Super Human Hulks and Speedy Gonzales's. You're still the
same team you were at the end of last year minus most of your offense and with a
recovering winged qb. Your a gimp team that might get lucky a year or two down
the road with the recently overturned appeal that brings some heavy sanctions
USC's way...and regardless of the sanctions you still have to play them every
Hey 4D,I'm glad Utah is getting 4 star recruits. I live in Utah and
wouldn't want to see my state look bad. I still think the PAC12 is a light
weight compared to the SEC and believe you can win the south, win the PAC12
championship and a Rose Bowl. I hope you do. Hopefully, my Cougars will smack
you hard in Provo and that win, plus all the others will vault us finally into a
big $ game. I hope your handle doesn't refer to the highest grades you received
at the U. Maybe you should change it to 4A. That way, folks will know how
intelligent you are based on your handle a erudite comments.
@ BlueHusky,How can you be happy with 9-3 with the upcoming BYU
schedule? Way to set you sights low!If BYU loses more than 2 games
with that schedule, then Bronco's failed his job.Undefeated isn't
out of the question. Difficult, not guaranteed, but doable.
PVD....you miss an important point...the year makes no differeence these types
keep coming off their missions every year. Utah and even USU have a few of
them... and all 3 especially BYU have done well with them. Even Utah has to
BYU fans, notice how the trolls have figured out how to "Recommend"
each other? Or, are mostly Ute fans the ones even reading this article?Oh well, I'm doing my clicking best to even the votes! ;-)Guess
BYU is more relevant than the Utes profess!
@4dI completely agree with you that recruiting is everything when it
comes to winning and moving towards a national championship. I just don't think
that stars are all that accurate. Langi was a 4 star athlete
because he was a star on a winning team with a lot of good athletes around him.
Put him in a different school and he would have been ranked 2 or 3 stars. That
doesn't make him not as good. It just means the media wouldn't have seen him as
much and awarded him as many stars.Cody Hoffman was awarded 2 stars
because he came out of a small school and flew under the radar. Did you see him
last year? The kids a stud. He may have been the best freshman WR the Cougs
have ever had. I'd take him over Travis Still who was a 3 star in a heart beat.
Ross Apo is 4 stars, but I think Ross and Cody are comparable and will both be
elite WRs playing on Sunday when their college careers are over.Kearsley and Hoyt are both solid talents, much better than U are giving them
4DIf you knew anything about statistics you'd know that trying to
guage recruiting patterns based on one year is completely meaningless because
the sample size is too small.Talking about getting smoked by Top 25
teams, wasn't Utah absolutely DESTROYED by Top 25 teams last year?In
the 2009 Las Vegas Bowl, BYU destroyed the then 16th ranked Oregon State Beavers
so badly, that it knocked them out of the rankings.As far as Utah's
prospects in the PAC 12, consider this. Utah hasn't won a road game against a
PAC 10 team with a winning record since last century.Oh, and this,
BYU never been shutout by a 2-10 team!----------------------UteologyActually, the only data point that matters is which
team is more successful on the field.
I can't believe people are getting so excited about kids that will not even see
the field for 2 to 5 years (with missions and redshirts), maybe never. 50% are
busts anyway. Recruiting this far out is a crap shoot and everyone knows it.
Stop getting your hopes up and putting pressure on 17 years old kids.
@Farid PocatelloOkay, so you didn't recruit Harvey how about the
others? So you only went after the "bleeding blue" Mathews?2011 (from Rivals)1. Ryker Mathews 4-star OL (BYU)2. Harvey
Langi 4-star RB (Utah)3. Isaac Asiata OL 3-star (Utah)4. Nate
Fakahafua 3-star WR (Utah)5. Travis Still 3-star WR (Utah)Four of the top five Utah recruits in 2011 picked the Utes. It seems ESPN
didn't help as much. However, one data point does not determine a trend. So it
will be interesting to see what happens over the coming years with the top
I don't dislike the Utes -- I just don't give them much thought. That said, I
think Utah is going to be forever stuck in the middle of the PAC-12 with an
occasional championship-type year. They'll get enough quality recruits to
consistently beat the Washington State's of the conference, but won't beat UCLA,
USC, Oregon, etc., often enough to go 9-3 or 10-2. Depending on their
pre-conference schedule, I'd guess Utah will become a perennial 8-4 or 7-5 team.
And really, based on their history since I started following BYU ('75), there is
nothing wrong with that. And regarding Utah getting that great
running back recruit (Harvey Langi (sp?), did BYU really recruit him hard based
on the deep stable of running backs they have? He will start for Utah this year
but he would have been deep on BYU's depth chart (especially with Drew Phillips
coming off his red-shirt year, a player several BYU defenders said was the best
running back they faced last year (he was on the scout team in 2010).Does anyone know how hard BYU recruited him?
National Champions:2010: Auburn had the sixth best recruiting class in
2010.2009: Alabama had the number one recruiting class in 2009.2008:
Florida had the third best recruiting class in 2008.CougFaninTX,recruiting is everything about winning national championships.
Look at the past three years.
Uteanymous:I was referring to the 2011 recruiting class. Thirteen of
the nineteen players that Byu signed are from Utah. Therefore, 65 % of Byu's
2011 recruiting class are from Utah. Lets face it Byu recruits are mostly white
and lds. Whether, they are from Utah or not they still lack the team speed that
teams like Utah and Tcu have. Look at Byus record against ranked teams this last
decade. Its pretty horrific in case you didn't know. They do well against the
cupcakes, but get exposed against top 25 teams. When they play teams that are in
the top 25 they just get smoked. You know its pretty sad when Byu biggest win of
this decade came over of over a 8-5 Oklahoma team. When you can beat Utah State
then lets talk.
Ute trolls are so funny. If recruiting a great football team were as simple as
giving the trophy to the team with the most 4 and 5 star athletes, why even play
the game. Texas has had a Top 5 recruiting class for the past (estimating) 10
years, and they couldn't pull off a winning season last year. Stars
are typically awarded by the media, some of whom have never played football.
It's not all about the stars.If stars are all that matter, Utah
should concede the game to USC right now.Austin Collie was only a 3
star recruit and became one of the elite WRs in college and the NFL. Dennis
Pitta was even lower ranked and finished his college career as one of the Top 5
TEs. Go Cougs!
Lets just play the games. Smak talk is just hot air. I get excited about
recruits when they actually show up and play. High school kids are high school
kids and Mormon high school kids going on missions are 3 years away from showing
up and playing.But I like to see the funnel filling with dudes from
Florida, Texas, California.We'll be good this year, but I'll be
happy with 10-2, even 9-3.I will predict, as I have in the past,
that Utah will probably get roughed up a bit in the PAC12. Not that I care -
I've only watched Utah three times in my life other than BYU games. One of those
was a defeat in Boise by Idaho when I was 16 or so. Nobody watches Utah anywhere
re: Uteanymous | 3:34 p.m. June 4, 2011 "...but the relevant
question is "How is Utah going to beat the USCs, Oregons, UCLAs and
Stanfords of the PAC 12 when Utah is CONSTANTLY being outrecruited by the other
PAC 12 schools?"I can't recall the specific winning percentage
but Utah has done well against the PAC since the Ronny Mac era.
Well dude...you'll get tired of eating dust after a while and it gets awful
depressing being on the welfare end of the bottom half of a conference...and
admittedly...yes having to round up a schedule at the last minute does leave
slim pickings for anyone in an initial start over year as opposed to walking in
to a preset table....but it's still table scraps and being treated like a mutt
until you've earned your keep. But we'll have an exciting first half of the
season at least and undeniably will have to settle in for the ho hum second
half until we replace them in the not so far very near future... Meanwhile try
not to get Wynn hurt...I like the guy...I just don't envy him and what's missing
4D"Usc looks a lot better than playing Idaho, New Mexico State,
San Jose State, Hawaii, and Utah State."Nice dodge, but the
relevant question is "How is Utah going to beat the USCs, Oregons, UCLAs
and Stanfords of the PAC 12 when Utah is CONSTANTLY being outrecruited by the
other PAC 12 schools?"According to your "stars"
theory, Utah will NEVER, EVER have a chance of winning a PAC 12 championship or
going to a Rose Bowl because Utah will NEVER have as many 4- and 5-star recruits
as USC.By the way, 59 of the 118 players (50%) listed on BYU's
2011-12 roster are from California, Hawaii, Texas, Nevada, Idaho, Washington,
Arizona, Kansas, Canada, Alabama, Alaska, Massachusettes, Pennsylvania, Georgia,
Missouri, Ghana, South Carolina, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Minnesota, Oregon, and
Colorado.Kinda destroys your "80% of BYU's players" come
from Utah theory doesn't it.Maybe you should try doing a little
research before spouting off.
@4D"Usc looks a lot better than playing Idaho, New Mexico
State, San Jose State, Hawaii, and Utah State. Wait maybe I should take Utah
State off the list since Byu got creamed by them last year."I
love how you fail to bring in Ole Miss, Texas, Oregon State, and TCU on this
list. On top of that, all of BYU's games in September will be on
ESPN or ESPN2. how about Utah? Do they have any games scheduled for ESPN or ABC
yet? Go Cougars!
Usc looks a lot better than playing Idaho, New Mexico State, San Jose State,
Hawaii, and Utah State. Wait maybe I should take Utah State off the list since
Byu got creamed by them last year.
True Blue:For the most part Byu recruits and targets different
players than Utah. The overlap come in the state of Utah. Most of Byu recruiting
takes place in the state of Utah. In 2011 eighty percent of Byu's recruiting
class was from the state of Utah. The funny part about that is Utah signed four
of the top five recruits in the state of Utah in 2011. Furthermore, Utah primary
recruits and signs players that are from California and Texas. Utah recruits the
same type of athletes that Tcu does. The make up of Utah roster is mostly speed.
The makeup of Byu's roster represents Utah County.
4DIf you're fine with that... then from that same Rival's top 100
USC got 2-5 stars and 22-4 stars and two more 4 stars who are going to gray
shirt their freshman year...and meanwhile...for this upcoming year before the
USC newbies even get acclimatized... the stadium that they will be playing in in
the future has 92,516 seats that in 2011 will be watching a terrorized Wynn
being chased and repeatedly sacked in his own backfield from. How many true
blue dyed in the wool utey fans will be there...maybe 3-4000 maybe... while
possibly another 5-6000 hybridized local Southern in state BYU fans willing to
come out and support Utah on such a dismal day.So I guess you'll be
fine with that...right???
4D"If we miss out on kids that our one or two star recruits
that sign with byu i'm okay with that."Eric Weddle was a two
Black Shirts:As long as Utah keeps on getting the top recruits in
the state of Utah I'm fine. Last year Utah landed four of the top five recruits
in the state of Utah. If we miss out on kids that our one or two star recruits
that sign with byu i'm okay with that.
Super Trooper "That banner is hanging over a stadium named
after a former Utah State Aggie player!!!"True.But
LaVell became a legend coaching at BYU!!!!
@Super Trooper the AggieYeap...can you imagine naming a cow pasture in
Logan and displaying a NC banner there??? Just doesn't seem proper....
4DWe'll take a real close look when U visit Provo on September
17th.It's funny how Utah fans obsess about stars next to a player's
name, but then get all giddy about successful walkons. How many stars did Eric
Weddle have next to his name coming out of high school?Jake Heaps,
by the way, was a FIVE star recruit, the #1-ranked QB coming out of high
school.Gotta love the gyrations theses jealous Utah fans have to go
through EVERY time they lose another recruit to BYU.Their whiny
excuses are so predictable that they must keep them on file to cut and paste
every time another player commits to BYU:--Utah really didn't want
him.--He wasn't that good any way.--He had zero stars (which of
course explains why Utah was recruiting him).
All the above were recruited by Utah and picked BYU.
BEAUTIFUL!!! I could not have stated it better my self JNA. That
banner is hanging over s stadium named after a former Utah State Aggie
player!!!Now THATS tradition AND premier!!!
QB Tanner Mangum OT Zach Lindsay S Rhett Sandlin S Matt
Hadley QB Taysom Hill WR Josh Weeks MLB B0bby Wolford OTHoytPhillips
There has been a lot of hype about Utahs and Byus recruiting class in the last
two years. Lets take a closer look:2010 Utah1. Reggie
Dunn 4 star recruit2. John Cullen 4 star recruit 3. V.J. Vehonko 4
star recruit4. Kenneth Scott 4 star recruit5. Terrel Reese 4 star
recruit6. Tevita Finau 4 star recruitByu 1. Ross Apo 4
star recruit 2. Jake Heaps 4 star recruit3. Bronson Kaufusi 4 star
recruit 2011Utah 1. Harvey Langi 4 star recruit2.
Keith Mcgill 4 star recruit3. Anthony Denham 4 star recruit 4. Benji
Kemoeatu 4 star recruit Byu1. Ryker Matthews 4 star recruit
reggieaggieBYU fans and programs, "Legends in their own
mind"And, in the National College Football Hall of Fame.
I am still searching all over RES for that National Championship banner, I know
its here somewhere....but where could it be?....I've got to think....It is here?
no not here...maybe over there....nope not there either...OH there it is, its in
Provo at LES. I was looking in the wrong place.
Super Trooper.... and the score from the Vegas bowl was what???...and since you brought the subject up and not me... for BYU getting one of
only two at large "also ran" selections would still leave it a brick
shy of a 2nd National Championship Tropy. Meanwhile Utah is still... two bricks
shy from their first ever in Football. Want a grenade???... or would you prefer
BYU fans and programs, "Legends in their own mind"
Come on fellow Utes - give credit where credit is due. BYU is a Mormon school
and going there is no different for an LDS athlete than going to Notre Dame is
for a Catholic. Congrats to these young me who will be able to both live their
religion and play football. Now winning on the other hand, well that's
something else. Remember how BYU got into the hole they were in last year - too
many early offers to LDS kids that did not work out. BYU beat out some tough
competition for these kids; Harvard, Florida Atlantic, Air Force and in 1 case
Utah. Love to see all these early commitments to marginal athletes.
Continued,BYU @ TCU-Win-- This is a bold prediction with TCU owning
BYU for the past 3 years. But for the past 3 years they have had Andy Dalton,
Jeremy Kerley and Co. In 2011 TCU only returns 9 starters. The offense may
struggle with a new QB, all new receivers, and 2 returning O-linemen. But the
defense will be great as always. This game could go either way, but i think BYU
will take advantage of a rebuilding year at TCU and pull out a win @ Cowboy
Stadium. It would be a HUGE win.
Continued,BYU vs. Utah-Win-- 11 starters returning from a Utah team
that snuck past BYU by 1 point @ RES. the game is in Provo. Utah has a new
offense Wynn has yet to take a snap in. No returning RB's. This game is usually
played late in the season when both teams are battlehardened, but in 2011 it
happens week 3. Experience will play a huge factor. BYU has the upper hand in
this game. Anyone that argues is delusional. But as always should be an
exciting game, with BYU coming out on top. BYU vs. UCF-Win-- UCF
returns 10 starters to one of its best teams in its history. But only returns 3
starters on defense, again, I think the BYU offense will be too much for an
unexperienced C-USA defense. The game is in Provo, BYU will have momentum
coming off a win over Utah. BYU must shut down the run-game, and another near
sure win.BYU @ OSU- Win-- OSU returns 12 starters from a horrible
2010 campaign. BYU will be very effective through the air against a new
secondary. I dont see this as even a question. Could get Ugly.
Continued,BYU @ Ole Miss- Win-- Although this game is in the deep
south, Ole Miss has little momentum and returns 12 starters to a team that went
4-8 in 2010. Only 3 return on defense, this will be key and I see BYU taking
advantage of it. If BYU can shut down the OleMiss running game, this game is
almost a sure win.BYU @ Texas-?-- This is a tough game to predict,
although Texas did go 5-7 last season, they have consistent top 3 recruiting
classes nearly every year. Returning 13 starters, many at skilled positions,
but Texas is going from a Spread to a pro-style offense with a new OC. QB play
is a huge issue. This game could really go either way. In Austin edge to Texas.
A BYU win would be an upset.
Howard S.An experienced once Top 10 Utah team, BARELY, escaping a
very young 7-6 BYU team AT HOME, 17-16, in a game the Utes were lucky to win,
should have every Utah fan dreading what Heaps and company have in store for the
Utes on September 17th.
As a BYU fan this is all great news. These guys look like studs and Im glad they
are now on our side. But to gloat and say the Cougs are winning the recruiting
battle is a bit childish. Im sure playing a wide open schedule on ESPN helps,
but...I'm sure the Utes will be having a Junior day and will be
getting some nice talent to commit up there as well. As for the game
this year... BYU should take care of business in Provo considering
that BYU didnt lose a lot of talent from last year. BYU will be adding some
major talent on D, more experience on O. Jake Heaps is going to be really good.
And a coaching staff that will have them better prepared for the Utes this year.
Utes lost a lot of talent from last year and Jordan Wynn is a little
sketchy. Not to mention the fact the Utes will be breaking in a brand new stable
of RB's. I think they should be good but not by the 3rd game of the season. BYU wins 38-17.
Awesome. I just keep saying how we keep getting everyone we want. We are humbler
Super TrooperElite programs are defined by national championships,
Top 25 finishes, and national individual award winners.Utah's two
BCS wins were great accomplishments, but they pale in comparison to winning a
National Championship or having a Heisman Trophy winner, the epitome of major
college football for EVERYBODY except jealous Utah fans.
@BaneOfHedgehog"...South beats North."********Right... 17 to 16... oh, wait... I guess that would be
North beats South.
KamUte Prediction:USC will give the Utes a rude
introduction to PAC 12 football, Heaps will torch Utah, and Utah will start the
season 1-2.It'll be all down hill from there. Utah will be lucky to
qualify for a bowl.
The funny thing is 3 of the 4 were recruited by Utah. The problem is these kids
have way too much character to go to Utah. These are not the type of kids that
will fight before a game (BSU) and quit during the game (bsu). I'll keep saying
it, BYU 10-2 and Utah 5-7. BYU will beat the Utey's byu 20 Sept 17TH.
RE: " I just wouldn't be using it as a point in the BYU vs. Utah
debates."There IS no debate. South beats North.
I'm a graduate of BYU School of Accounting and I can attest to the value of the
education I received. Kids that are being recruited by Harvard can probably do
very well at BYU then go on to get a graduate degree from Harvard. These commits
are picking BYU because of the right reasons. Welcome aboard.
I just have to give props to the kid going to BYU that cites the business school
as a positive. It is good to see a student athlete still exists.
Great job recruiting. More just keep adding on!!!! BYU is the most attractive
school by far in the state, just look at the recruits coming in, lds and
non-lds. Ute fans take your cheap shots, but the athletes are voting with their
NOW I'm getting another good laugh!!! Cougar fans are more predictable than
Robert Anae's offense!!!A couple of thoughts: 1.
recruiting wins games about as well as catchy slogans (see: Ben Olsen, 'Band of
Brothers', 'fully invested', and 'Quest for Perfection.')2. WHY do
byu fans put ALL their 'argument' on wins & losses? Is it because that is
all their narrow perception can see? I know it was a long time since Utah State
beat them, HOWEVER, if a team that BAD can beat you as THEY are
re-building.....that doesn't meet my definition of "premier'.3.
Speaking of 7-6 and the fact they have NEVER been to a BCS bowl (here go the
1984 references when I was in diapers!) it was still 7-6. You beat a poor UTEP
team to go over .500. What was the name of that bowl again?4. To
sum it all up (catchy slogans, no BCS bowls, 7-6) Please see James 2:17.
@Y4LYFEHoyt was a California Mormon who was committed to BYU from
the cradle.He is the type of recruit that constitutes the core of
BYU's limited recruiting base. Utah and Air Force understand BYU is
going to win the majority of those battles.I maintain... Big
Why are so many sour grape trolls posting on BYU articles all the time?Jealous?
With all the talent I can hardly wait to go to a home game and play Idaho, Idaho
State, San Jose State, New Mexico State, Utah State and Hawaii. Being an
independent has so many perks and awesome moments. I feel chills being able to
play such top notch talent. This more than makes up for the 30 million a year
Utah will be getting. They are soooo over. Go Blue, we are Winners and they are
@ Howard SAlso offers from utah and Air Force, but you're right. Big
@kamuteI don't think TCU plays UCF or utah this year. I'm going to
assume you just have grammatical errors, although it wouldn't surprise me if you
didn't know utah's schedule.
Sounds like only one of the four signee's had offers from other schools.
Congrats I guess!!
BYU gets commits from 3 Mormons and 1 non-Mormon whose best other offer was from
Prediction:BYU 7-6 with huge losses at Ole Miss, Texas, Oregon
State! TCU, Will also lose to Central Florida and Utah. Utah will go 8-4
and will end up in the Holiday Bowl.
I am wondering how long it will take for the u posters, who are now in the
conference of chumps, to log on to the pac 10.1.1 and start posting their
"we're better than you" comments?Is it because they can't
break away from their big brother? Once in the shadow, always in the shadow.I think I will have to hop on over to a few of the "big boys"
sites this year and see how some of the more famous ute posters are fairing. The
word on the street is that they are afraid to post for at least a couple of
years. By then they will have their first win and then the talk will start of
their National Championship run the next year.
If Kearsley's comments in this article are true, then Mark Weber and BYU could
find themselves in hot water with the NCAA. According the the NCAA recruiting
rules, the very first time a college coach can CALL a prospect is one call
between April 15th and May 31st of the prospects Junior year. If Kearsley has
been and is receiving phone calls as a sophomore that is clearly a violation.
Super TrooperAdmittedly USU was the older more experienced and better team
beginning early in the season last year at the time and deservedly won that game
but come on...BYU's coaching staff... specifically Robert Anae... gave the Utah
game away early in the 3rd quarter by gambling away the opportunity of the easy
chip shot field goal on the 4th and inches. BYU had the game in the bag early.
Even the blocked punt would have had no impact on the outcome of the game if the
coaching staff hadn't gave the game away on that single play. The better team
lost...that's the simple truth . We take our lumps as we get them...so
congratulations on your freebee from the BYU coaching staff. It's totally going
to be a completely different game coming up this fall. Wynn's going to be
anemically gun shy and running for his life in his own backfield... I can
pretty well guarantee it. If he does settle down it's going to be several games
@Super Truper2010: TCU @ Utah, Utah @ Notre Dame, and Vegas Bowl
BlowoutI sure don't think the utes have any room to brag about their
last football game of 2010. Also, UNLV 2007. 27-0 shutout by UNLV.
Funny how easily Utah fans remember the BCS games over the last 6
years, but fail to bring up Utah's dismal performances during the non-bcs game
years. BYU will beat Utah in 2011. I'm calling it right now. BTW, every BYU game in September will be on Either ESPN or ESPN2. Utah
wishes they had that luxury. Go Cougars!
BYU fields one of their youngest teams ever, and Utah State finally gets a win
after what...17 years? I don't know if that's correct, but I know I was in
diapers they last had a win against BYU. Utah squeaks by with a one point win
with supposedly one of their best teams ever. Can you say overrated? Yea, I
would say BYU is the Premiere program in the state. This year will be the year
of the Cougars, as if Jimmer hasn't already proven that. No! I am the one
One year does not make the best or the worst in the State. Three decades
does.BYU is the Premier program in the State. These recruits
are great with good attitudes.GO Cougs!
@dave s"I needed a good laugh before turning in for the
night."I have no doubt you needed that. Heaven knows all of the
news the last couple of weeks has been like a kick in the crotch to utah fans.
I'm glad you finally got something to help you smile.
@ Super Trooper and Dave SSure glad Blue Saint gave you something to
laugh about. 2010 was a down year for the Cougs, but let's see what happens
after this year. Ummm, I wonder if you'll both still be laughing after this
season is over, you reckon? Methinks both Utah and Utah State will not repeat
their feat of last year against the Cougars. Again, glad you're having a good
laugh now because after this year, methinks you'll be crying the blues. We'll
little hyperbole also on some of the comments of the recruits.. Not sure if can
use the term "elite" since none of them had any major offers besides
one kid having a Utah offer. But, in recruiting, hype doesn't always mean
success, so good luck to these kids.. I just wouldn't be using it as a point in
the BYU vs. Utah debates.
@SuperTrooper "To Blue Saint:"Premier program in the
state...."7-6 in 2010 with losses to Utah State and Utah.That
was funny!!!!"And yet here you are, posting on an article about
a stud OL committing to BYU, and not Utah or USU. Curious...could it be that
even after a down year, the premier program in the state can still outrecruit
both Utah and USU? Just a thought... :) Go Cougars!
Well I tried to tell all Ute fans and others that Brandon Fanaika would be
getting an offer and he did! I really hope that he will take a hard look at the
Y, it would be huge for the program to get this kid.
Well said Super Trooper!! I needed a good laugh before turning in for the
To Blue Saint:"Premier program in the state...."7-6 in 2010 with losses to Utah State and Utah.That was funny!!!!
Always good to land more help in the trenches, BYU has always done very well in
recruiting OL. Sounds like they got two more good ones here.
Looks like we picked up Bobby Wolford (LB out of a high school in Florida) as
well. Good day for the Cougs. Let's keep 'em coming!
The battle of the gridiron is won in the trenches, and so it is good to see that
the foundation for the program is continuing to be built. I hope we can still
continue to get more decent athletes in the front 7 of the defense. Jordan Simmons is the top prospect for BYU. Getting him would be huge!
(Especially since he's huge) Also an offensive line prospect and one of the top
guards in the nation. BYU will be hard pressed to get him since almost every
major school in the country has offered him. We'll see though, getting him would
be a big deal.Another huge prospect for BYU would be getting Byron
Marshall. The schools on his list are all beatable and he would be an awesome
fit for BYU.Go Cougars!
What a huge kid! Welcome to Cougar Country! You're going to love playing all
over the nation and being on ESPN all the time.
What do they feed this kid? 6' 5" and 277 lbs and going into his Junior
year. Welcome young man. Go Cougars
The premiere program in the state just keeps it going. Independence was
definitely the right move! ESPN coverage proves it! Games televised all over the
world! Elite athletes signing on! Playing the top programs from all over the
nation. BYU could, if everything falls into place, become a Global team! A
Global brand! We will see Y flags raised Worldwide!With BYU's
reputation for some of the most exciting games ever in college football history,
ESPN was hooked from the get go. If exposure is what they were looking for by
going Indie, then look out.... The ride is about to begin!