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Published: Thursday, June 2 2011 4:00 p.m. MDT

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Tomahawk Red
North Salt Lake, UT

This is a perfect example of the utter hypocrisy going around these boards.

You can't read a Y article without seeing some blue fan whining and moaning about the presence of Ute fans on "their" stories. Then, when they post rampantly on U articles, they try and act like it's somehow different.

Sorry boys, but if you insist on slinging the "obsessed with BYU" card, you best serve yourself first. This is the second story in two days that I've seen widespread Y trolling on a Utah article.

Sandy, UT

@MidMajor4ever (within the Pac little 2)

Seriously that's all you've got?

The same WCC, which the Utes lost to twice, thrice, last season?

Sorry guys, your phony & contrived BCS status does not apply to Basketball. That's a Football Construct. An Illegal, Anti-Trust Violating Caste System.

What are the odds the U of U has more National TV games than BYU this year, in Basketball? We all know how Football shakes out.

Gonzaga had 14 games on ESPN last year. Utah? and with ESPN holding the rights to all of BYU's home games and a nice WCC contract to boot, and Naitonal BYU-tv, coverage is awesome for the Cougs, again, where can we see the Mighty utes play?


Salt Lake City, Utah


"Regarding how Utah should recruit against BYU for basketball players, Gottlieb said the Utes should say, "We're in a better conference. We're gonna be more visible, and we're gonna be playing against better competition."

Any of you Cougar fans disagree with those comments?"

It all depends on what type of OOC schedule BYU puts together. Gonzaga has done very well scheduling good OOC competition.

Jon Wilner who's been breaking alot of the news on the PAC 12's new television deal, had this to say about the WCC:

"I expect the caliber of play [in the WCC] to be much closer to the Pac-12/Mountain West level than to the WAC/Big West level. And its fairly easy to envision a scenario in which the WCC is markedly better than the backsliding MWC."

Arlington, VA


"We're gonna be more visible, and we're gonna be playing against better competition."

It'll be hard for any recruiter to make the argument that the Utes will be more visible when BYU become a regular on ESPN.

Better competition? Not necessarily, especially if BYU schedules some strong non-conference teams and Gonzaga and Saint Mary's continue to produce strong teams.

With BYU, the WCC could easily become a regular 3 bid league, and playing in the NCAA tournament is what it's all about.

If BYU continues making regular appearances in the Big Dance (five straight and counting), recruits aren't going to be that impressed with Utah, especially since it could be years before Utah becomes competitive again.

Orem, UT

MidMajor / VegasUte

WCC Cellar Dwellers > Utah
BYU > WCC and PAC 10 champions

San Diego 67 Utah 64
Portland 88 Utah 79

San Diego finished dead last in the WCC at 2-12, 6-24.
Portland finished 5th in the WCC.

on the other hand

WCC champion Gonzaga 67 BYU 89
PAC 10 champion Arizona 65 BYU 87

Syracuse, UT

blue and bluto, you guys crack me up!

If you really want to compare the two comferences then we will. Rather than look at championships (which the PAC dominates) let's look at total NCAA Tournament wins.


San Francisco 21
Gonzaga 15
byu 12
Santa Clara 11
Pepperdine 5
St. Mary's 3
San Diego 1
Portland 0

Total - 73


Arizona 43
Utah 35
Stanford 21
California 19
Washington 17
Arizona St. 13
Oregon 12
Oregon St. 12
USC 12
Colorado 9
Washington St. 6

Total - 298

byu is a good fit for the WCC based on their history. Only Colorado and Washington St. have fewer wins than byu from the PAC-12.

Good luck to both teams. Utah will recover quickly and return to their winning ways and Coach Rose will continue to have a successful program, even though the WCC will create a challenge for him recruiting.

Sandy, UT

We appreciate you, once again, throwing up a Strawman Argument.

Again, Utah as currently constructed, can't compete in the WCC, let alone the Pac 10 little 2. That is a fact.

The Coat-Tail Mentality of Utah will only take you as far as a regular rotation in a Pac12 Conference schedule.

It's the point Ute fans have been missing all along.

Conference Affiliation means nothing, if you are the designated bottomfeeder of your Conference.

And the Networks just showed Utah where they rank in the Pac 12.

Again, every Conference has, by design, doormats. Vanderbilt, Wazzu, Baylor, Rutgers, Utah, etc.

I'm glad you can do basic math, but the present is what matters. Right? Isn't that what Ute fans have always said?

Does a young Recruit notice BYU on National TV for every game, Basketball and Football?

While Utah is not?

Do they notice the NPOY in College Basketball was a Cougar?

Do they notice a packed Marriott Center and an empty Huntsman?


Is Utah a Brand the Big Networks want to highlight for their telecasts? NO
Or are they just one of twelve?

BYU on the other hand is just that, thank you.

Syracuse, UT


I find I may be dealing with a teenager with little history in college sports so I'll be careful with my response.

If we are just looking at this exact moment in time then byu does have a better program than Utah in basketball and Utah has a better program in football. I will give you that based on last season's records.

Utah represented the MWC as the conference champions in March of 2009, certainly not that long ago. Speaking of NPOY, Andrew Bogut won the award just six years ago and was selected first overall in the draft.

Utah will reload quickly. As one of the top 12 winning programs in the country that is rich in tradition, the Utes are bound to rebound.

I understand why you are having fun with Utah's current situation but we both know it won't last long. It wasn't long ago that byu had a nine win season yet they developed into a pretty good program. Basketball programs can change quickly.

As far as recruiting, I'm sure young men would rather play in a big six conference against UCLA, Stanford and Arizona over Pepperdine and Portland.

Syracuse, UT

Mountain West Conference Basketball Champions over the 12 years byu and Utah were members:

Regular season champions:
byu 6
Utah 5

MWC tournament champions:
byu 1
Utah 2

Bottom feeder? Don't let hatred get in the way of logic.

Highland, UT


"As far as recruiting, I'm sure young men would rather play in a big six conference against UCLA, Stanford and Arizona over Pepperdine and Portland."

Well maybe we should ask Josh Sharp that question? And Maybe J.J. O'Brien? Or perhaps Will Clyburn? And maybe any of about 5-6 other guys that didn't feel the allure of playing for utah or in the pac10.

Just saying utah will be back won't make it so. As they sit today they have no prospect of "being back" anytime soon. As ute fans love to say over and over again on these boards "the past is meaningless" and I tend to agree that it true in relation to how a program will perform going forward. A great history is something to be proud of but it means nothing for the future.

Now the dynamics of a program mean something. For instance BYU bounced back quickly because of the advantage they have in getting LDS players. They'll always have that and because of it will never be down for long. utah on the otherhand has no such advantage. It could be a looooooooong time for them.

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