@midmajor"As far as recruiting, I'm sure young men would rather
play in a big six conference against UCLA, Stanford and Arizona over Pepperdine
and Portland."Well maybe we should ask Josh Sharp that
question? And Maybe J.J. O'Brien? Or perhaps Will Clyburn? And maybe any of
about 5-6 other guys that didn't feel the allure of playing for utah or in the
pac10.Just saying utah will be back won't make it so. As they sit
today they have no prospect of "being back" anytime soon. As ute fans
love to say over and over again on these boards "the past is
meaningless" and I tend to agree that it true in relation to how a program
will perform going forward. A great history is something to be proud of but it
means nothing for the future.Now the dynamics of a program mean
something. For instance BYU bounced back quickly because of the advantage they
have in getting LDS players. They'll always have that and because of it will
never be down for long. utah on the otherhand has no such advantage. It could be
a looooooooong time for them.
Mountain West Conference Basketball Champions over the 12 years byu and Utah
were members:Regular season champions:byu 6Utah 5MWC tournament champions:byu 1Utah 2Bottom
feeder? Don't let hatred get in the way of logic.
bluto,I find I may be dealing with a teenager with little history in
college sports so I'll be careful with my response.If we are just
looking at this exact moment in time then byu does have a better program than
Utah in basketball and Utah has a better program in football. I will give you
that based on last season's records.Utah represented the MWC as the
conference champions in March of 2009, certainly not that long ago. Speaking of
NPOY, Andrew Bogut won the award just six years ago and was selected first
overall in the draft.Utah will reload quickly. As one of the top 12
winning programs in the country that is rich in tradition, the Utes are bound to
rebound.I understand why you are having fun with Utah's current
situation but we both know it won't last long. It wasn't long ago that byu had
a nine win season yet they developed into a pretty good program. Basketball
programs can change quickly.As far as recruiting, I'm sure young men
would rather play in a big six conference against UCLA, Stanford and Arizona
over Pepperdine and Portland.
We appreciate you, once again, throwing up a Strawman Argument.Again, Utah as currently constructed, can't compete in the WCC, let alone the
Pac 10 little 2. That is a fact.The Coat-Tail Mentality of Utah will
only take you as far as a regular rotation in a Pac12 Conference schedule.It's the point Ute fans have been missing all along. Conference Affiliation means nothing, if you are the designated bottomfeeder
of your Conference. And the Networks just showed Utah where they
rank in the Pac 12.Again, every Conference has, by design, doormats.
Vanderbilt, Wazzu, Baylor, Rutgers, Utah, etc.I'm glad you can do
basic math, but the present is what matters. Right? Isn't that what Ute fans
have always said?Does a young Recruit notice BYU on National TV for
every game, Basketball and Football?While Utah is not?Do
they notice the NPOY in College Basketball was a Cougar? Do they
notice a packed Marriott Center and an empty Huntsman?Indeed.Is Utah a Brand the Big Networks want to highlight for their telecasts?
NOOr are they just one of twelve?BYU on the other hand is just
that, thank you.
blue and bluto, you guys crack me up!If you really want to compare
the two comferences then we will. Rather than look at championships (which the
PAC dominates) let's look at total NCAA Tournament wins.WCC:San Francisco 21Gonzaga 15byu 12Santa Clara 11LMU 5Pepperdine 5St. Mary's 3San Diego 1Portland 0Total - 73PAC-12UCLA 99Arizona 43Utah 35Stanford 21California 19Washington 17Arizona
St. 13Oregon 12Oregon St. 12USC 12Colorado 9Washington St. 6Total - 298byu is a good fit for the
WCC based on their history. Only Colorado and Washington St. have fewer wins
than byu from the PAC-12.Good luck to both teams. Utah will recover
quickly and return to their winning ways and Coach Rose will continue to have a
successful program, even though the WCC will create a challenge for him
MidMajor / VegasUteWCC Cellar Dwellers > UtahBYU > WCC
and PAC 10 championsSan Diego 67 Utah 64Portland 88 Utah 79San Diego finished dead last in the WCC at 2-12, 6-24.Portland
finished 5th in the WCC.on the other handWCC champion
Gonzaga 67 BYU 89PAC 10 champion Arizona 65 BYU 87
Utah'95"We're gonna be more visible, and we're gonna be playing
against better competition."It'll be hard for any recruiter to
make the argument that the Utes will be more visible when BYU become a regular
on ESPN.Better competition? Not necessarily, especially if BYU
schedules some strong non-conference teams and Gonzaga and Saint Mary's continue
to produce strong teams.With BYU, the WCC could easily become a
regular 3 bid league, and playing in the NCAA tournament is what it's all
about.If BYU continues making regular appearances in the Big Dance
(five straight and counting), recruits aren't going to be that impressed with
Utah, especially since it could be years before Utah becomes competitive again.
Utah'95"Regarding how Utah should recruit against BYU for
basketball players, Gottlieb said the Utes should say, "We're in a better
conference. We're gonna be more visible, and we're gonna be playing against
better competition."Any of you Cougar fans disagree with those
comments?"It all depends on what type of OOC schedule BYU puts
together. Gonzaga has done very well scheduling good OOC competition.Jon Wilner who's been breaking alot of the news on the PAC 12's new television
deal, had this to say about the WCC:"I expect the caliber of
play [in the WCC] to be much closer to the Pac-12/Mountain West level than to
the WAC/Big West level. And its fairly easy to envision a scenario in which the
WCC is markedly better than the backsliding MWC."
@MidMajor4ever (within the Pac little 2)Seriously that's all you've
got?The same WCC, which the Utes lost to twice, thrice, last
season?Sorry guys, your phony & contrived BCS status does not
apply to Basketball. That's a Football Construct. An Illegal, Anti-Trust
Violating Caste System.What are the odds the U of U has more
National TV games than BYU this year, in Basketball? We all know how Football
shakes out.Gonzaga had 14 games on ESPN last year. Utah? and with
ESPN holding the rights to all of BYU's home games and a nice WCC contract to
boot, and Naitonal BYU-tv, coverage is awesome for the Cougs, again, where can
we see the Mighty utes play?crickets....crickets.....
This is a perfect example of the utter hypocrisy going around these boards.You can't read a Y article without seeing some blue fan whining and
moaning about the presence of Ute fans on "their" stories. Then, when
they post rampantly on U articles, they try and act like it's somehow
different.Sorry boys, but if you insist on slinging the
"obsessed with BYU" card, you best serve yourself first. This is the
second story in two days that I've seen widespread Y trolling on a Utah article.
Vegasute:This is the 3rd article where you have ran your WCC smack.
Well the WCC smacked the Utes this year with a 3-0 record. you bring
up woeful losing records: utah has 4 of those in the last 6 years.Are the 15,000 empty red chairs in the HC in bounds or out of bounds?Just curious.
@ Broom Hockey ChumpI beleive the Utes beat New Mexico twice this
year, but thank you for your comments that are both innacurate and irrelevant.
Sort of like how it should feel to be a cougar fan. Innacurate in all of your
pre-season predictions of success and irrelevant in the future. @
DNEWS - Can we put a filter on the cougar troll comments on Utah articles?
Other than some occasional pure comedy, they add no real value. I
would like to invite fans of our new rivals from Colorado to chime in on the
Bluto,This is about basketball and byu did not go indepentent in
basketball, they joined the powerful WCC. Let me help you understand that ESPN
will not be televising your basketball games like they will your football
games.duckhunter thinks that MOST of byu football and basketball
games will be shown on ESPN! "Basicly BYU fans will now see every football
and basketball game their team plays. Most of them will be on ESPN and those
that aren't will be on BYUtv. No other school has that level of exposure,
period." So that would mean that over 50% of the combined number of
football games + basketball games would be televised by ESPN! I can't quit
laughing! Thank you so much for the humor. Little brother's are always good at
making big brother laugh, thanks!
@Rock of the MarneHey UtesYou've just been invited to
the Pac 10 little 2!What are you going to do next?We're
going to FOX NET or VERSUS or KUTV or KJZZ.Hey BYU, you just went
Indpendent in Football, what are you going to do next?We're going to
National TV, EVERY GAME, 6 ESPN Games announced so far, with 2 more coming.It's great to be Big Brother.Brand, Cache and Legacy trumps
Wazzuland Hot Air, all day long.
@Ducky: By real football tradition, do you mean a dominant win record against
our biggest rival? Two BCS wins? A move Upward to the Conference of Champions?
More (and higher profile) players in the NFL than our little brothers? Not
quite the flash in the pan you are trying to make us out to be, is it? If you
really want to LOL, just think about the "mythical" nc your team has,
it makes the rest of the country LOL too!Go Utes!! Go Crimson!!
@imacamanIt's ok, the 6-10 games that will be shown on ESPN will be
plenty of exposure. The BYUtv games are mostly for the existing fans and if
anyone else watches them, my guess is the other teams fans will at least watch
them, then that is a bonus. The point is they are available for anyone that
wants to watch them.One thing very interesting about this is that no
other school has gone to these measures to provide their fanbase with a means to
see all of their schools games. To think that a school has gone to this large of
an expense to project their school to its fans and the world is really
incredible. Basicly BYU fans will now see every football and
basketball game their team plays. Most of them will be on ESPN and those that
aren't will be on BYUtv. No other school has that level of exposure, period.As fans we are all quite satisfied with it.
@Ducky"like, you know....winning?"What does
the y know about winning when it comes to basketball? Little brother holds two
records in the NCAA - most first round losses in a row in the tourney, and most
tourney appearances without EVER reaching the final four. Sounds like little
brother better start to learn about winning before he talks about Big Brother's
lack of it.Go Utes! The future is bright, the future is Crimson!
Get Used to it!!
It is really funny that y people are on here commenting on Utah basketball. The
only national prominence the y has in basketball is for futility. Isn't it the
y that holds the record for most first round NCAA tourney losses in a row? They
even made Sporting News' top 10 list for sports most dubious records for their
26 NCAA appearances WITHOUT a single final four appearance. Utah has a
tremendous NCAA winning record and rank in the top 20 for most wins in the NCAA
tournament. On the other hand, little brother has a woeful losing record! Too
funny! I guess it is only right that they move down to the WCC, where if it
wasn't for Bill Russell and John Stockton, there would be no proof of it's
existence.Here's a serious question though - In the WCC, are the
walls in the basketball courts in bounds or out of bounds? Just curious.Go Utes! Go Crimson!!
Hey Broom, the average college FB fan will more likely find a game on Versus
than they ever will on BYU TV. No one outside of the LDS church, and I mean no
one, even knows this channel exists.This "national
exposure" is great for church members and Y fans that previously couldn't
see the games. However, it means absolutely nothing to the average FB fan. I'd
start working on the 1 billion Chinese and get them interested in FB.
@utah95"We're in a better conference. We're gonna be more
visible, and we're gonna be playing against better competition."Well that sounds simple enough. Doesn't seem to be working though so they may
have to try something else, like, you know....winning?
Hey great point gordo. Get back to us when you have a real football tradition,
not just a flash in the pan, and win a National Championship.LOL!
The best news for the Utes is they don't have to play against Jimmer again!
Yes, things are definately looking up for the Utes!
Glad to see that those who know more than the experts are mewing their opinions.
Makes me laugh! The Utes will be better than the dire predictions from Utah
country, after all Utah has real basketball tradition, not just a flash in the
pan tradition when they happen to have a player they can ride to the NCAA's, but
never to the Final Dance, nor even to the Final Four nor even to the Elite
Eight! Guess Jimmer wasn't that good! When you have a number 1 draftee in the
NBA and do all the previous several times, then and only then can you mew.
Regarding how Utah should recruit against BYU for basketball players, Gottlieb
said the Utes should say, "We're in a better conference. We're gonna be
more visible, and we're gonna be playing against better competition."Any of you Cougar fans disagree with those comments?
Hey Broom....This is a BASKETBALL article, your independence comment
didn't make sense since your cougs are now part of the WCC! FYI:
PAC-12 > WCC; MWC > WCC; WAC > WCC
JJ may not be pac10.2 material but he was the us second best player...so how
would you define competitive with no name players, jcs,and uninspiring freshmen?
Wow, great to see that the Cougar fans just can't stay away. First two comments
from Cougars.It's nice to see Utah basketball getting some good
press from an independent source.Also nice to see things shaping up
for Alex Smith in San Francisco. I hope this is a solid year for him.
Surprise surprise the first two comments on here are fans of the Mid Major
uninvited team to Provo. Way to show your little brotherness; classic.
Looks like the Utes finally got another nationally televised game...on VS?
Wasn't that they channel they sometimes got to be seen on when they were in the
MWC? Doesn't seem like much has changed at all...
Does Coach Crisco have some revealing pictures of Doug Gottlieb or something?
No way the Utes are competitive. They couldn't even beat teams in the MWC like
CSU and New Mexico. Then Douglas goes on to say that J.J. O'Brien,
one of their better players, is not pac 10.2 worthy? Independence
> pac 10.2