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Published: Thursday, June 2 2011 12:41 p.m. MDT

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Teafortwo
salt lake city, utah

What a bunch of nonsense. LBGT folks have far more important things to worry about than immigration enforcement....

jasonlivy
Orem, UT

Yet another way for the gay/lesbian group to convince society that they are a 'race' and should enjoy the same 'rights' as an ethnic group. To me it's shameful and manipulative.

I wouldn't be against their support if there were individuals in the G/L Club who felt strongly about the illegal immigration issues. However the fact that they, as a group, are involved simply because they feel they are in the same boat makes me sick to my stomach.

Being gay/lesbian is not a race! It's a choice! That will never change.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'I wouldn't be against their support if there were individuals in the G/L Club who felt strongly about the illegal immigration issues.' - jasonlivy | 1:07 p.m.

Annnd what makes you think they do not?

Are you claiming to speak for the LGBT community now?

Speaking only for myself, it makes sense for minorities, ANY minorities to band together for common goals.

Many choose to forget that Mormonism and the LDS church, are a minority in America. Just, not Utah.

As for choice...

*'Gay man says 'reversal' therapy did not change him' - By Lisa Leff - Associated Press - Published by DSNews - 01/20/10

'SAN FRANCISCO A gay man testified Wednesday in a federal same-sex marriage trial that the "reversal therapy" he underwent as a teenager to change his sexual orientation drove him to the brink of suicide.

*'Psychologists nix gay-to-straight therapy' - AP - 08/05/09

'The American Psychological Association slams technique that seeks to change sexual orientation.
'No solid evidence exists that such change is likely, says the report, and some research suggests that efforts to produce change could be harmful, inducing depression and suicidal tendencies.'

It is 'choice' to ignore data.

GiuseppeG
Murray, Utah

Uh, being an illegal immigrant is a choice, not a race as well. Let's make sure we're clear on that.

And since when was harboring a criminal okay just because you love the criminal? That doesn't have anything to do with race, gender preference, whether they're your brother, mother, dog, or whatever. I believe it's still called aiding and abetting.

praxis
Salt Lake City, UT

"...his partner of two years, who received training to become a doctor, overstayed his visa."

The individual knowingly and willingly violated the terms of his visa. That is considered visa fraud and it's a felony. Sounds like this individual never intended to abide by his visa.

This has NOTHING to do with sexual orientation and EVERYTHING to do with an individual that never intended to abide by the laws of the U.S.

DeltaFoxtrot
West Valley, UT

Just give it time. Now that the Supreme Court has given the OK the States will solve the immigration problem soon enough.

runwasatch
Ogden, UT

What too much of society wants is lawlessness based in the cause of "love of fellow man".

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

What a lame lawsuit. When it comes to enforcing immigration laws do the LBGT folks want a special pass that no one else deserves?

Sheeesh!!

charlie91342
Sylmar, CA

all the comments about "illegal immigrants" cracks me up. They are undocumented workers. Illegal means criminal, and these are not criminal acts. Get your facts straight.

goitalone
w bountiful, ut

Whatever gets publicity serves the LBGT agenda.

RichardB
Murray, UT

Coming here illegally is a crime(civil and criminal-misdemeanor), coming here and working is a crime (multiple felonies). They, by lawful definition are illegal aliens.

And the LBGT should be aware that it's against Federal law to house an illegal alien. Utah's law just mirrors Federal. When you marry someone in the country illegally, you put yourself in a very difficult situation legally.

After the Supreme court ruling, the pro illegal folks are grabbing at straws.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

@ Giuseppe @ Praxis
If you are straight and in love. You could marry your loved one. If your loved one is in the U.S.A. with a temporary visa, you could marry him/her and present a petition to Immigration and Naturalization to change the status of your beloved to a permanent residency (green card).
If your beloved happens to be of your same sex, you cannot use your citizen privilege of helping him/her to extend or change visa status.
The Gay community is only fighting for equality.

SummerlinUte
LAS VEGAS, NV

Same sex marriage or domestic partnerships are legal in many states. If a couple moves to Utah after having entered into a lawful marriage/partnership, Utah must accept it under the full faith and credit clause of the U.S. Constitution ("Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State.") So like it or not, samesex couples have legal rights. In any event, I don't see how Utah can criminalize cohabitation with an undocumented alien spouse, straight or otherwise.

Belching Cow
Sandy, UT

Is this some kind of sick joke? I feel like I live in the twilight zone and things just keep getting more and more bizarre.

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

@ SummerlinUte: "Same sex marriage or domestic partnerships are legal in many states. If a couple moves to Utah after having entered into a lawful marriage/partnership, Utah must accept it under the full faith and credit clause of the U.S. Constitution ("Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State.")"

Unfortunately, that is not true. The Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) states, "Section 2. Powers reserved to the states
No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other State, territory, possession, or tribe, or a right or claim arising from such relationship."

Utah does not have to recognize same-sex unions.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'And the LBGT should be aware that it's against Federal law to house an illegal alien. Utah's law just mirrors Federal.' - RichardB | 2:56 p.m. June 2, 2011

About that....

*'The list' came from Utah DWS database, investigators say' - By Lee Davidson and Laura Hancock - DSNews - 07/16/10

*'Source claims state finds, but hides, immigrant ID theft' - By Lee Davidson - DSNews - 09/02/10

*'Mormon church reiterates support for Utah immigration bills, including HB116' - By Elizabeth Stuart - DSNews - 04/20/11

Action recently:

*'Deportation of illegal immigrants increases under Obama administration' - By Peter Slevin - 07/26/10 - Washington Post

And can someone explain the contradiction here.

LGBT 'shouldn't' support immigration...
but other people 'have every right' to support Prop 8?

md
Smithfield, UT

Utahs unconscionable new immigration law actually criminalizes sharing a home with an UNDOCUMENTED person, even if that person is a partner or spouse, said Victoria Neilson, the groups legal director. No one should be arrested for sharing their home with the person they love, but that is the very real possibility presented by this law."

Undocumented really means ILLEGAL.

Laser
Iowa City, IA

I can't even keep up with the twisted logic of this group. Remember this is the group that preaches tolerance...unless of course practicing tolerance hurts their cause, then they send threats or vandalize property.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'...unless of course practicing tolerance hurts their cause, then they send threats or vandalize property.' - Laser | 3:42 p.m. June 2, 2011

Wow Laser.

I don't know who your talking about. But I hope they don't ACTUALLY vandalize your property.

*'Utah Pride Center vandalized' - By Andrew Adams - KSL - 08/20/10
'SALT LAKE CITY -- Someone spray painted a slur on a sign outside Salt Lake City's gay pride center overnight.'

While previously...

*Charges filed against neighbors of gay man acquitted of kidnapping - By Linda Thomson DSNews 03/03/10
Seven former neighbors were charged Tuesday with attacking David James "DJ" Bell and his partner, Dan Fair, in their home after a late night party on July 4, 2008.

*Survey shows some LGBT residents dont feel safe By Rosemary Winters SL Tribune 07/12/10
A gay man arrested for kidnapping after being severely beaten by his neighbors. A Salt Lake City bar fight where a same-sex couple was assaulted and called derogatory slurs. A kiss between two men on the LDS Churchs Main Street Plaza that resulted in trespassing charges.

Confused
Sandy, UT

Pagan,
Exactly what does your post of 3:20 have to do with "Utah's law just mirrors Federal.' - RichardB | 2:56 p.m. June 2, 2011"?

You site the "List" but that has nothing to do with the new law reflecting the Federal law. At the time of the list, there was no such law.

Sometimes you are so confusing trying to understand your point. Please clarify.

As for you Question about the LGBT shouldn't support immigration and people supporting prop 8:

Well... What possible link does the LGBT have with Immigration? in the article they object to the fact that immigration law actually criminalizes sharing a home with an UNDOCUMENTED person, which is no different than a family member who hides a wanted felon from Law enforcement. So why aren't they upset about that?

It's called aiding and abetting.. Both illegal. So for the LGBT to support this is a bit odd.

As for Prop 8, people supported it because they felt that their diffinition of Marriage and what they deemed was an attack on the institution of Marriage. They had a valid link to the Marriage issue.

LGBT has no such link to immigration.

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