Bugoff, I don't think anyone has ever said that Jimmer "can't" play
defense. It's the fact that he doesn't play any defense that is concerning. He
literally gives no effort whatsoever on many defensive possessions, choosing to
shut it down and rest for the next time the ball is in his hands. His defense
is made more of a joke because when he chooses to try, he's OK.
@ Old Navy.D Rose loves immer has nothing but the highest respect
for him and his game. Can you say listen to what the real pro's say about Jimmer
and how good he really is, before we talk.To the rest:I
won't listen to Ute haters and the rest of those who hate this kid just because
he went to BYU. His peers (Pro's, ex NCAA players who he played against etc).
Those who know his game and ability and all of them say the same thing, he has a
complete game and will do great at the next level.
If what a player can become in 3 years is being considered by O'Connor as one of
his draft criteria, Williams and Jimmer fit that bill quite nicely. None of the
others have that much going for them, including Kantor, Irving, or Knight.I don't see anyone else outside of Jimmer and Williams as having that
much UPSIDE. Some might disagree about Kantor, but I think he'd take a lot
longer to "get it" with respect to playing in the NBA. I might be
wrong, but I think Williams would pan-out better in the long run.However, if Williams is gone, and the Jazz think Kantor is better than Jimmer
at 3, well...
Knight is a freshman so his going high in the draft is based on projection of
his eventual capability. As near as I can tell he is legit but lotto PGs tend to
be very safe picks. The Jazz should be just as well off with Jimmer or the BC
kid (don't recall his name right now). The percentage of lotto PGs
who make at least starter quality is fairly high.The percentage of
lotto bigs who become starters is low and drops as you move out of the lotto.
How many high risk dud bigs have the Jazz tried to develop? Good
existing big are hard to get and expensive.You have get good bigs in
the draft when you get a chance.Go for it. GET Williams or Kantor and
don't look back. If necessary Watson can actually run the team while
a young PG develops. Harris will probably not be traded until next year anyway
or could play WITH the next PG. The GS pick next year will probably
not yield a great big. It can be used for a PG if necessary. Wings are easier
and cheaper to get via trade than Bigs.
I think that if the coaches ask Jimmer to keep his dribble alive and just keep
looking until he finds someone to pass to, for a shot, he will be able to do it.
He can dribble and dribble and he's strong enough and good enough handles to do
it, that is what Nash does, he dribbles and dribbles weaving in and out of the D
until he find a cutter or open player for a shot. Jimmer could do that if asked.
Nash came into the league as a shoot first point and developed into the point
guard he is. I think Jimmer could do the same .
Bug: I agree, like I started to say, I watched Knight last night and he's OK but
Jimmer is better. David Locke always likes to say what kind of nba skills does a
player posses. Knight may develop some but right now he's just OK and doesn't do
anything real good. Jimmer on the other hand is a great shooter with great range
and has very good handles with a great cross over or double cross over. Coach
Gordie Cheaza commented on it just a couple of days ago. Jimmer is quicker than
Knight and passes as good or better than Knight. Defense is a matter of desire,
if you have the quickness, strength etc to stay with someone. Jimmer proved he
is just as quick or quicker than any of the top point guards in this draft. He
will be able to play D.Kanter is my pick for #3, he is strong, athletic,
and very skilled, I've said this before but to me he will be better than Okur
and that means he should be a multiple time all star.
Knight is legit but I think Jimmer will be just as good (but different). However, I WANT Kantor at 3. Williams would be good but Kantor may play
3 positions. Based on his agility and speed tests he should be able
to play SF as well as Williams. Think of Kantor as a heavy duty Luol Deng. Deng
is 6'9" and listed at 220. The idea the Jimmer can't play D is
lame and old. It is nonsense. Watch his 3 on 2 drills. The only
knock on Jimmer is that he is a senior and he will need a year or 2 to polish PG
skills. He is a safe pick. AT worst you get a shooter off of the
bench. At best you get a great PG who can shoot and break a defense. Jimmer can
create for himself and others. He can play along side of Harris/Hayward in the
lock out year. He can replace Harris the year after that if needed.I
WANT Jimmer. Not because he is BYU, but because he is GOOD for the Jazz. The
other 2 options at 12 would be Thompson/Singleton. Jimmer is worth the 12.
Kakashi: I agree about Jimmer, I watched several Knight video's last night and
Jimmer is better than him. I hope the Jazz draft Kanter and Jimmer.
Jimmer has it...watched a few games...and he is the real deal...i hope the Jazz
strongly considers him...he wont be an adam morrison or a JJ Redick...take note
JJ Redick wasnt known for defense in college...but in the nba...he isnt a
lockdown defender...but he plays decent D in the NBA...
Wookie, you're all wet, like this spring's weather.The voters in
1984 KNEW that Michigan was a worthy opponent, or they'd have simply dissed BYU
as they had previously.It would've been quite easy and not too
controversial to anoint the winner of a major bowl with only one loss as
national champ, but BYU won in ways that year which gave the voters respect.Michigan had a fullback that year that was a holy terror for any team
that played them---IN the games he wasn't injured. Their losses were ALL when
that fullback was injured and not playing.He played against BYU.The voters in 1984 were definitely not as wet behind the ears as you
seem to be.
NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!! YES, BYU stomped Michigan? Michigan was 6-5 at the time,
finished 6-6. Michigan was 5-4 in the Big 10 conference, ranked behind Ohio
State, Illinois, Purdue, Iowa and Wisconsin. The award of the National
Championship is something that I would boast about and hold my head extremely
high. The system that was created, BCS, was because of this controversial
championship. This same system is going to be the one that keeps BYU from EVER
playing in that game again. Please..., your title is meaningless and this is
well known outside of happy valley.
I've watched videos of Knight, Walker, Irving , I watched Locke's breakdown of
Knight a couple of times last night and Knight isn't any better than Jimmer, in
fact Jimmer does several things much better than Knight. Jimmer is a better
shooter than Knight, he has better handles and uses the stop and go and
hesitation to create seperation and space better than Knight, Jimmer sees the
floor just as well, probably better. Knights D is probably alittle better than
Jimmers but playing defense is quickness, strength and desire, Jimmer is
quicker, stronger and he will put forth the effort, Jimmer will be able to play
D. That being said, I don't see what Locke or anyone else for that matter is
seeing in Knight. Potential?? A little extra length 2 inches, 1 inch in height,
Jimmers bigger frame and strength give him the advantage in alot of ways. I just
hope the Jazz don't draft Knight, he's not worthy of the #3 pick.
Would love to see a Stockton-Green scenario where they draft Jimmer to back up
Harris for a year, then take over Harris' starting spot the next year.They Jazz generally carry three PGs so that they don't tank should their
starting PG (or even backup) get injured, which has happened often enough in the
past.If they don't bring back Watson or Price (I'd prefer Watson),
they'll only have one PG on the roster. Makes the draft, trading, or free agency
more interesting from that standpoint.
I'm a BYU alumni and love the school and still think theHailstorm has the right
idea. Lots of lottery picks higher than a #12 have spent a lot of time in the
Send a lottery pick to Orem to play D league? Some of you are clueless or a Ute
fan, maybe both
@ TheHailstormWe get it, you're a BYU hater so you'd love to see him
fail so you can feel better about being wrong about him during his college
career. Sorry but he'll be on an NBA roster whether that makes you happy or
I have read all of pro's and con's about Jimmers game. If he is available at 12
take him, move him to Orem, fill the seats with Jimmer groupies and make him
defend the toughest player on the " FLASH " schedule. Leave him there
for a while and not play him back and forth between teams. If he does well in
the " D " league then bring him up to the Jazz bench. It should prove
good for the Flash fans in Utah County, get him some playing time on the next
level, and really take a long look and see if he can defend and play team ball.
By the end of the first year, if he holds up well then Jim Fred was worth the
gamble. The real plus here is that and we don't have to hear those chants from
the blue blooded groupies for at least a year. Heaven help us if every time Ty
Corbin calls a time out we hear chants from the cheap seats of Jimmer, Jimmer.
Let him prove his worth first in Orem.
@Old NavyRose was the NBA's MVP - there aren't very many players in
his class and I've never heard anyone claim that Jimmer is going to be MVP.
However, most everyone expects him to be drafted between 10-20 and have a decent
NBA career. Tell how those expectations for the consensus POY make him
Great college player, but Jimmer is not even in the same class as Derek Rose.
Can you say overrated?
range.Did quite well at the Combine. Even came out first in two
PG-important tests. Impressive!If Ute/Jazz fans weren't so afraid
the Jazz might draft Jimmer, there'd be a lot less negative Jimmer posts
definatly over rated -- all this talk about him as if he is going to be the
reason why the Jazz get a championship well there is no ( I )in team folks I
have seen this happen time and time again and nothing ever comes out of it. the
Jazz wont be getting a championship. Im not impressed by him at all
There are lots of players that can shot from deep. There are lots of players who
score tons in college. There are lots of players that practice really hard. None
of those things necessarily translate into success in the NBA. Right now the
best pro comparison to Jimmer is Eddie House. A bit undersized, good shooter,
bad defender. If Jimmer ends up mirroring Houses' career I'd consider it a
success. He could also mirror Adam Morrison and be moving to Europe after his
blah blah blah jimmer blah blah blah everyday???
Jimmer should forgo the NBA Draft.He should go out and get a real
job.After all:he can't shoot...he can't
pass...he can't dribble...he can't jump...he
can't run...he can't win...he is a trouble maker...just all around bad news.Right?
@Dr. Truth- I believe there were a few of the SDSU players who said there was no
contest on who was more difficult to guard between Jimmer and Kemba. Jimmer by
a landslide. We may not know for a while defensively.
Honestly, Jimmer is a heck of a player. He can shoot from anywhere on the floor
and it doesnt matter how many people your putting on him he is going to get his
points. His shooting skills are unbelievable as well as his ball handling
skills. But what has me concerned is his defense. I see him being a good NBA
player but a 6th man. He comes in when the team needs points. I think he will
probably break NBA point records but unless he improves his defense I think he
will probably be a huge bench scorer which alot of teams rely on.
If anything, Jimmer can be a designated shooter on a team, ala Kyle Korver.
However, I believe he will be good enough to be a sixth man within his first few
years. If he ends up being a decent-enough defender, he could even start in the
future.I would not be disappointed if he was drafted 12th by the
The same concerns I have about Jimmer are the same concerns everyone had about
D-will coming out of college. Can he get by people at the NBA level? It took
D-Will a couple of years to read when he could get all the way to the rim.
Jimmer will be going up against quicker, stronger,faster guards with more
reach/length. Will he need to improve his ball handling? I think so.....And you
are right, his passing/decision making needs to improve as well. In the NBA when
Jimmer gets in the lane, I think he is really is going to struggle to finish.
Shoot the floater Jimmer, pull up Jimmer.....SWAT.....aughhhh!!!!
Dr. Truth: Jimmer needs to improve his dribbling skills? Did you ever watch
him play? He could handle double teams and even triple teams with his ball
handling skills. That is not a problem for him. Passing off the dribble would
be more of a weak spot for him.
Jimmer came out pretty well in the testing at the combine compared to the other
point guards. I'm still waiting to get more information on some head to head
match ups with Walker and Knight if their agents will even allow it??In watching Jimmer, he still needs to improve his dribbling skills. This draft
is so wide open, who knows who the Jazz will have available when the 12th pick
comes around. Because so many NBA teams need shooting, I doubt Jimmmer falls
Maybe you forgot... this is The Jimmer. National player of the Year. The guy
who can make baskets from anywhere on the court. He compares pretty darn well.