With Brandon Davies BYU wins the WCC...without Brandon BYU finishes second,
possibly first. While BYU's team this coming season may not be as good overall
as this past season (time will tell), it will still be good enough to win 25+
games and make the NCAA tourney. I'm looking forward to it! Go Cougs!
morningbreaks: I loved your come-back to Hedgie. It was classic! Never had
such a good laugh for awhile.
re: Laser | 1:38 p.m. May 26, 2011 Isn't religious thought an
oxymoron? Thought implies some degree of rationality... the antithesis of faith.
re: hedgehog | 4:45 p.m. May 27, 2011 Wouldn't that leave a hole
where the A is?
2011-12 could be Dave Rose's worst team since his first year, but BYU will still
finish with 25+ wins and play in their 6th straight NCAA tournament.The hill naysayers are simply jealous that a down, rebuilding year for BYU
will exceed Utah's wildest expectations for 2011-12.Some writers are
already predicting that the WCC with BYU will be better than the MWC and nearly
as good as the PAC 12.
Most of the trolls with red glasses have short-term memory loss--especially
after this past BBall season. Unbelievable that they try to smack talk Y hoops
at this point in time.To understand their perspective, just remember
this gem from utahcountyute last February: "BYU basketball and Jimmer
Fredette are not nationally relevant."I truly believe they
think if they say something enough, and wish for it enough, it just must be true
(all evidence to the contrary).Good luck in the off season. Can't
wait to see Davies, Hartsock, and the elder Collinsworth work their magic
underneath next year. Best wishes to Coach Rose, Coach Pope, and the rest of the
staff and players on their new adventure in the West Coast Conference.Just keep proving the naysayers (majority of the media and the red sweater
wearers) wrong as you have been. Go Cougars!
"What is the difference between the WCC and the WCAC?"an A
5000 seats would more than accommodate the ute bb faithful for the forseeable
What is the difference between the WCC and the WCAC?
The WCC coaches and writers don't have any respect for BYU. I knew that they
would cut BYU down because of BYU not having Jimmer. I just want the WCC
coaches and writers to know that BYU is better than 4th place and they will
prove that the coaches and writers are wrong. GO COUGARS!!!
OU812"I don't think it will be as easy as many of the blue Kool
Aide drinkers think."As Utah so clearly demonstrated this past
season, even the cellar dwellers of the WCC are more than the Utes can handle.
VegasUte,One more time, let me lay out the (substantial) difference.
If, at the start of a football game, I yell at you, "I'm gonna kick your
trash in this game!" that would rightfully be considered arrogance. If I
held a press conference before the game to tell my fans that my goal is to win
this game, that's not arrogance. It's just stating my goal. And there is also
a substantial difference between a goal and a destination. And
before you spout out again, I understand that Utah accomplished that goal. I
applaud them for it. Both teams had the same goal. Only one team accomplished
that goal. It's not hubris to state what that goal was.
@ Where's Stockton;I disagree. I am neither a Ute or Cougar fan per
se, but I believe Utah's home attendance will increase a lot this year, for the
same reason every building in the NBA sells out when the Lakers come to town -
the fans are desperate to see a good team for a change. So if Oregon or USC or
UCLA come to Utah to play, their arena will automatically sell more tickets.
The Deuce...hmmm that's the name of the bus that takes people downtown to the
"The Strip" in Las Vegas. BYU is a program that builds conferences so
those 5,000 seat facilities so overly pointed out will always be packed to the
point that they will have to move games to larger venues or expand them...but
regardless... the point is to be able to fill them...something that Utah just
can't seem to accomplish any more... and more than likely, will probably not be
able to come close to doing again anytime soon.
Don't forget St Mary's, the team that took BYUs all time best to double OT
before BYU pulled it out. I don't think it will be as easy as many of the blue
Kool Aide drinkers think.
Considering what they've lost and how early this article was written, putting
BYU 4th should not come as a big shocker.I, for one, credit the WCC
for being a solid mid-major conference. No question they get a lot for adding
BYU.However....I guess if you are a cougar from Indiana,
Pepperdine was a school in the WCC in 2009 but not this past season, when the
Utes beat them by 7. Gotta love selective "facts." They make your
"one-liners" so much more zippy than the actual truth.IC,
since you are good with "facts," try googling Utah's alltime win
percentage vs WCC teams not named BYU.
4th? Sounds about right...NOT. I like the Cougars chances next year. Gonzaga
will be tough again. Their program is AWSOME. The Cougars will be better than
expected. I like the ZAGs and the Cougars to finish 1-2 or 2-1. It will be a
Sorry Cougar fans, but I found this article to be funny!!! What's the WCC?
@Dutchman"I have to be on here from time to time to set the
record straight as you seem to drift off course from time to time".Wow, what a guy! How can we ever repay you for this great service you
provide for all of us?
Im not putting much stock into basketball predictions in May. BYU has plenty of
young talent coming into the fold and Davies will likely be back as well. Coach
Rose will have them ready to go and they will be just fine in the WCC.
I'm fine with being under rated. Works for me and I'll get to watch every game
on ESPN or BYUtv.What channel are the Utes on? Who's leaving the
team this week? Did they just fire their coach? Get the drift?
Picking BYU #4 is probably about right without Davies, but the article pointed
out that BYU will challenge for the title if Davies is back.I
believe Davies will be back, and the Cougs will challenge the Zags for Top Dog.
I also believe the WCC will have 3 teams in the big dance, which will be more
than the MWC and the same as the PAC12.WCC will prove to be superior
to the MWC in basketball in the coming years.Does anybody know if
San Diego plays Utah this year?
BYU will have no trouble finishing 1st or 2nd in the WCC this next year. Rose is
too good of a coach for it to be any other way, especially with the balance of
new and returning talent he'll have to work with. Hopefully enough to make up
for the loss of Jimmer's scoring.
Jimmer raised eyebrows in the combine. TOLD YOU SO!No, I didn't
expect him to come out on top in everything, but DOING SO in two of the
important tests (combined) for PGs was a pleasant surprise.So, lots
of naysayers had to bemoan Jimmer's lack of defense in college to backpedal on
their dislike of him. They got Jimmered, and probably haven't realized it yet.
His top-rated agility (combine stats) indicates he'll have no trouble being AT
LEAST average for PGs in defense, which puts him ABOVE Nash. You wouldn't want
Nash on your team, would you? Duh.Jimmer's stock will rise as he
works out with the various teams. It'll be one of those "We don't think
he's that good" in hopes of making him slide to their selection spot.I'd love to see the Jazz get him so I don't have to pay extra for the
NBA package to follow his career.
Indiana Coug,Sorry, but you're spinning it. BYU is not yet a member
of the WWC and your post referred to Utah taking a pounding from the teams in
the WWC. BYU's victories over Utah came as a member of the MWC. You admitted
that Utah beat the best team in the WWC in '08 so I will accept a record of 1
for 3. I don't know what your definition of pounding is but that doesn't seem
to be a pounding to me.
JustGordon | 7:06 p.m. May 26, 2011 Cottonwood Heights, UT ...a
KamUte:A WCC is a conference on the West coast. A few teams in that
conference pounded utah in the last couple of years. Remember now?
Re: Dutchman"Utah beat Gonzaga..."True, way
back in 2008 you beat Gonzaga. However, since then the Utes from the mighty
Pac12 are 0 for 7 against next years lowly WCC teams (you lost to USD
(12/25/10), Portland (12/31/10), BYU four times (1/11/11; 2/12/11; 1/30/10;
3/3/10), and Pepperdine (12/23/09).
No high school gyms in the PAC12...a national championship and more final 4,
elite 8 and sweet sixteen appearances than the folks in Provo dream of...catty
comments from the jealous!
What is a WCC?
DutchmanThank you for your apology. I think we both got over-excited
yesterday and responded too quickly to one another's comments. I don't mind any
Ute fan being on BYU articles when they add to the conversation (as opposed to
all the silly "My dad is bigger than your dad" talk). As
for this particular article, I agree with UU32. As usual, he makes a good point.
@JustGordon - I'm sure the utes wish they could play in a high school gym. That
way it might look like at least a quarter of their fans showed.
Not trolling at all. As I told fresnogirl I have to be here from time to time
to set the record straight as you seem to drift off course from time to time.
And I did apologize to fresnogirl. Go over and check it out.Indiana
Coug,Utah beat Gonzaga in basketball either last year (2009-2010) or
the year before. So much for taking a pounding.Laser,"It's exciting to be part of a conference that embraces religious thought
rather than fears it."You better get familiar with some of
those Catholic Universities. They can be some of the most liberal schools on
earth. Dare I say "Cal-Berkeley types".
Fourth in a league where most gyms are smaller than many 5A high school
gyms...priceless. For everything else there is Master Card!
@DevilUte Yes Utah had a great program in the past and I supported it.
However, the Ute bball team is much worse than BYU's football team last year.
The BYU football team seems to be turning the corner and rising
rapidly. The Ute bball team is about as bad as ever and headed for stiffer
competition. It will be a while before the Ute bball team recovers.
The 84 championship is nice. It is far better to have one in 84 than
none, but I am much more concerned about next fall. At least the
Utes have the pride and money of the PAC. That is some compensation.
Re Devilish Ute - Since I don't talk about the 84 championship, I won't change
my comment about deadwood because that is the state of the team until it changes
which time frame is TBD.The fact is that although BYU hasn't won a
championship since 84 in football they are still very competitive with multiple
top 20 finishes in the last several years. The storied Ute hoops program is
nothing more than storied. Absolutely everything is past tense.
To: Utes21 | 4:11 p.m. May 26, 2011 - Never heard of conference? That is what
going independent is all about. The question that Cougar fans should be asking
is why does the football program get to throw the rest of the sports programs
under the bus when they don't finish on top of the league. Is this the tail
wagging the dog?
Who did these rankings? Who is first? How do they go from like third or fourth
in the nation, to fourth in a never heard of conference?
utahcountyuteAnyone with "ute" in their handle, should
probably hold off smack-talking about anybody else's basketball team!
H-hog:So where does your all-seeing eye predict the runnin' utes
round ballers will finish in the PAC this year?? Any predictions on that?? Or
are there still too many unknowns?@Skippy: And Jimmer lit you up for
49 - remember?
Behind Santa Clara?!!! Best season ever to.... 4th in the WCC. OUCH!The question that should have been asked in the heading of this article
is..Can the Cougs stand tall again? lol
So this is what going independent is all about? Picked 4th in the WCC that has
an average arena size of about 5000 seats. Now that is moving forward. Women's
softball plays in one league, men's basketball plays in another, is this a club
sports program or a major college program? Well, it all starts to take shape
come September when we get to see if the Cougars can pull it off.
@ Bottom Line"The interesting comment is how the MWC is falling
apart at the seams in hoops from a national perspective when really they only
lost one basketball school(BYU of course) while also getting rid of the deadwood
(Utah / TCU)."How is it that when we talk football you and
other Yners are quick to bring up the hollow 1984 NC, but when we talk about
basketball you forget that Utah has a storied basketball program? When talking about a particular sport, be it football or basketball, let's
talk about the whole history of the program or let's talk about recent history
only. You sound foolish when you call the Utah basketball program deadwood.
Sure, they've had some down years of late, but let's not forget about all the
success in the past.
Good call on 4th place in a competitive league. I'll take it so that he can be
proven wrong just like every other naysayer out there as they watch BYU
repeatedly cut down the nets. The interesting comment is how the MWC is falling
apart at the seams in hoops from a national perspective when really they only
lost one basketball school(BYU of course) while also getting rid of the deadwood
(Utah / TCU). It just goes to show you how adding BYU to a conference provides
@ DutchmanIs this you NOT reading and trolling a BYU article?
BYU should be in the mix with Gonzaga and St. Mary's. Give them a season to jell
and they should be good at the end. According to Hoopsworld, the
Jazz are serious about drafting Jimmer. Anybody who bases their conception of
Jimmer's defense on his BYU play is in error. Jimmer will adapt his
game so that he is successful. Defense is not going to be a problem for Jimmer.
He will defend better than DWill. Jimmer needs time to make the
adjustment to NBA PG. I am just hoping the Jazz can get him at 12.
Duchman,Let me guess ... You REALLY meant something totally
different than how it reads and are just trying to "set the record
straight." Whatever! (Eye roll). You owe fresnogirl an apology, but we all
know you won't humble yourself enough to ever do that.
The only thing more ridiculous than thinking that a Dave Rose coached team will
finish anything but first or second in the WCC is this San Jose writer doing
basketball rankings in May.
Duchman,Yesterday, you wrote to fresnogirl:"You
must be referring to someone else. I rarely read articles that are solely
devoted to BYU ...".Yep. We can all see how true THAT ONE is!
Once again, she outclasses you in spades!
Dutchman,So much for not cruising BYU's boards in an effort to work
up its fans, eh? Sure, you're not a troll a lot of the time, but you definitely
have troll-like tendencies. Just sayin'.
Re: DutchmanYes, Gonzaga is also in the WCC. You might have heard
of them, they beat the #6 seeded St. John's in this years NCAA tournament before
losing to the Cougars. They play in the tourney nearly every year. I'm not too sad about losing a single baseball game to them (we also beat
them). Everyone loses a significant percentage of their games. I don't follow
baseball but I think BYU's team is doing just as well as the Utes this season.
Fortunately for me, the WCC isn't known for their baseball teams but their
basketball teams (which, by the way, this article was about).
Who cares?! It's exciting to be part of a conference that embraces religious
thought rather than fears it.
I am fine to be picked #4 - did they forget that Kyle Collinsworth won't be
around for two years? We will see. It is a long way to go and football hasn't
even started yet. They will second guess later.
IndianaCoug,"It's one of the many conferences that had multiple
teams pound on....."You mean that conference that Gonzaga
belongs to that obliterated BYU in baseball this year? That conference?
Did anyone read the part about jimmer? "Fredette's issue is defense. He
doesn't play any. It's not just that he's garden variety bad; he's historically
bad, according to a lot of scouts." I can't wait to see what happens
in the future with Jimmer. I am sure he will make the best of anything that is
given to him.
Bring on the Runn'n uties. I am so excited to see how many of them run off to
some other school between now and 6 months from now. It will be fun to see how
many recruits they will loose due to their train wreck. Look for the football
team to follow suit within the next two years when they can't beat the winning
percentage of the bball team.Look for the Y to win the WCC for the
@hedgehog;With or without Davies, we'll be either 1st or 2nd, write
it down. Too many good recruits coming in. Utah's team (if you can
call those 12 guys an actual team), will on the other hand, be lucky and I do
mean lucky to win 6 or 7 conference games. My actual over & under is right
at 5. By the way hedgehogger who's leaving next from the ute team, oh! that
would be their coach next year when he goes 10-20. Have fun with your wins from
teams like Denver College, Walla Walla and St. Mary's Women's Team.
With a front court of Abouo, Carlino, Harrison, and Winder, we'll be just fine.
Then we have post men in Hartsock, C. Collinsworth, and Davies. That put two of
these guys on the bench, where we'll also have Stephen Rodgers- who has proved
he can step up- even against Gonzaga. I'd say we're a shoe-in for WCC title #1.
@IndianaCougSo you're saying there's a conference out there called
the WCC? You'll have to give a little more info.And yeah, Utah's
basketball team is awful. I'd say if measuring the success of your team or
conference on beating Utah in basketball last year is all you're got, that's
Wilner didn't even have BYU ranked most of the season last year. The guy has
little clue what he is actually talking about.
HH you know BYU will do better than 4th. The putes on the other hand will
finish about 9th in the very overrated PAC 12.
williary"What on Earth is the WCC?"It's the
conference with teams U can't beat.
RE: WillaryIt's one of the many conferences that had multiple teams
pound on the Utes last season. Next season they will have one more team to beat
up on the lowly runnin' Utes.
What on Earth is the WCC?
hedgehog: I agree that fourth is very optimistic for the Utes in the PAC 12, but
why do you bring that up when we're discussing BYU?
fourth seems a bit optomistic.
Charles Abouo has the potential to be a monster player as a starter, especially
on defense. DeMarcus Harrison and Matt Carlino will surprise a lot of people
and provide more offense than expected. If Davies is back and if Chris
Collingsworth is fully healthy, BYU and Gonzaga will be fighting it out for
league title. However, Gonzaga will be more motivated and has a lot more to
prove after the humilation of getting pounded by BYU in the NCAA Tournament.
Can't wait for Haws' return.BYU will contend for the title since
Davies will have resolved his issues and will be back with the team. If that
were not possible he'd have transferred by now...
With or without Davies, BYU is easily going to take the WCC to the woodshed.
It's not even a question up in the air. But of course a writer from San Jose is
going to give his own school the benefit of the doubt. I think people over
estimate Davies contribution too. Yeah he's a really good baller but I think
we're going to miss Kyle Collinsworth more.
This headline is misleading since the article it cites only puts the Cougars at
#4 based on Davies not playing (which he almost certainly will be). I expect,
as the Mercury News article states, that BYU will be duking it out for first
place in a much improved WCC. Not bad for a "rebuilding" year. Go
I think BYU hoops will be better than this but it is a reasonable projection
based on Davies' uncertainty and the brand new backcourt.