Vanka is making things up in her claim that the number of compesated people has
incresed. The number of members of the second quorum of the seventy declined
under President Hinckley with the creation of Area Authority Seventies. Beyond this, President Hinckley ended almost all general authorities
serving on corporate boards. The claim that the President of the
Church or other church leaders are living high on the hog with their stipends is
rubbish. President Tanner paid more in tithing before he became a general
authority than he recieved as a stipend.The claim that only the most
affluent are called as leaders is also false. Elder Holland working in
education has never been among "the most affluent", and the same could
be said for many others such as Elder de Hoyos. At the local level my stake
president spend a part of his career working as a janitor, hardly a sign of
being "the most affluent".
The advice to avoid the temptation to mock others beliefs needs to be given more
sfcretdennis,Bless your heart, you actually believe what you
wrote.The truth is, LDS Church leaders (apostles, prophets, etc.)
receive a nice "stipend" as well as having their Church-related
expenses paid in full. This "compensation" has relatively recently
been extended to Mission Presidents and other "general authorities" of
the LDS Church.More importantly, only the most affluent (wealthy)
people are called to "leadership" positions. They are not required to
give away their wealth. On the contrary, they continue to make money from their
investments, and they are often appointed as Board members for many of the LDS
Church-owned corporations. These Board positions come with generous
compensation.As for the false prophecies of the "end of
times", this was one of countless predictions of Jesus' return, end of
days, apocalypse, rapture, etc. It has been going on for thousands of years, and
each one is a testament to the fraud of religion.
Vanka | 8:37 a.m. May 24, 2011 Just because this man but out false doctoren does
not mean religion is a fraud. In our faith money paid in tithing does not go to
pay are leaders a pay check. We all donate our time just like christ did, he
did not get paid and nither do we. But wather a person pays their church
leaders our not don't meand religion is a fraud. You have the right to believe
what you want and so do thouse of us who choose to believe in God. I have had
to many things happen in my lieve to not believe in God. There is a God just
look around you at the univirce and this world it just did not happen there is a
creator. One day we all well meet him and then hopefully you well believe then.
I suppose that a person could try to be respectful toward the irrational beliefs
of other groups because they, themselves, have beliefs that seem quite
irrational. OR... people could choose to dump their irrational beliefs in favor
of logic and reason, thus never finding themselves in the position of having to
defend that which is, frankly, unfounded.When a person is faced with the
harsh realization that they have been duped or misled, they can do one of two
things: They can try to spin it in a different way that might salvage their
faith; they can try to claim "that's not what we meant in the first
place" (as I have heard people do recently), or they can take a hard look
at their beliefs and an even harder look at the leaders from whom and literature
from which those beliefs originated. My thoughts are not meant to incite
or mock. I hope the editors will tolerate my beliefs and not reject them so
immediately. But it is my belief that while tolerance is good, learning from
past errors is even better. To each his own, but to me the choice is
I keep the letters "K P L" on my monitor at work, but still I find
myself falling short on a daily basis in "Kindness, Patience &
Love". When I have those 3 down, I'll let you know. :-(
Idaho Coug - as a former member of the LDS church, I think you're spot on in
seeing the similarities.
Great article and good reminder that we should 'judge not.'
To dsnarr - I appreciate your devotion. But your comments struck me as almost
word for word what I have heard critics say about the LDS faith. It
is so interesting how we can become so comfortable with our own beliefs and
world-view while finding other's so strange and unacceptable. And all the while,
our particular LDS world-view is perhaps one of the most ridiculed and laughed
at that there is.
The Camping caravaners have alot of faith that needs to be redirected to
continuing to prepare for Christ's coming by setting an example of love,
service, and teaching about Christ to those who will listen. Men don't know the
time of His coming even well meaning good men like Camping. Just because He
didn't come on May 21st doesn't mean He isn't coming. Live well and happily
until then. Learn from mistakes that His atonement covers.
It's important that those of us with the ability to think rationally expose
irrational fear mongering for what it is, and unapologetically so. Maybe we can
prevent a few people from falling victim to lies and delusion. Harmful,
untruthful words, regardless of how many people believe them, should be exposed
as such.Harold Camping isn't giving any of his followers any of
their money back. This man should be publicly labeled as a fraud and a liar, and
people should be warned about him. In Brazil, as an LDS missionary, I saw how
easy it was for churches to take advantage of the uneducated people living in
poverty, and convince them to give what little they had to the churches. I met
one man who gave his home to a church after he was promised that God would repay
him double. Now he's homeless, and sleeps on the cement floor in his daughter's
tiny house.Camping's followers should be viewed as victims, and
maybe the most compassionate thing to do would be to ridicule fundamentalist
beliefs so harshly that we minimize the number of future victims.
It was a good reminder that religion is a fraud, that keeps people guessing and
paying their money to religious "leaders" in the vain hope that
someday something mysterious will actually happen.
"As Latter-day Saints, we too have some peculiar and often misunderstood
doctrine. We have been made fun of before (just see "The Book of
Mormon" musical now playing on Broadway) and most likely will be
again."This has been my exact thought througout the past
weekend. It can be so easy for us to find other's beliefs and religious
practices silly while not recognizing how others view us. I have had some
interesting conversations with someone in my neighborhood who is a devout
follower of Camping - although not to the point of selling off any of his
possessions fortunately. But it is interesting just how silly he sees the
beliefs and practices of Mormons that we hold so important and that seem so
rational and logical to us.
Whether the rapture happened as planned or not.. it was a good reminder to all
that we don't know the day or the time but to be prepared...
Closure, or cloture . . . Better this than the perpetual and threatening second
coming discourses. Start over again.
I just wanted to say thank you for a thoughtful, well-written article. It echoed
what I've been thinking as well.
Some will laugh, but I think they were blessed, and learned a very valuable
lesseon about life.Listen to the Country Song:"Live
Like You Were Dying" ~ by Tim McGrawGod Bless.