@ ColoradoUte4Life Please see the year 1984. BYU 1, Utah 0.What was your comment about national championships again?
@PapaSmurfuteOops...I must be getting Alzheimers....now let's
see....where did I park my car.....come to think of it....what kind of car do I
Griz,Byu was not breaking in a new QB in 2008. Maxi Hall already
played a year, won the MWC the year before and was a junior in 2008. Get your
Interesting...BYU gets all of these big games on National TV with even more that
they have to turn down in order to keep the schedule balanced and yet Utah
couldn't even rate one of their home games on the PAC10+2's new TV deal with
ESPN. They didn't even rate a regionally televised game on Fox Sports Northwest
or F/X (oops my bad, they get the Montana St game regionally televised on
FSN).The ONLY game they get televised next season on ESPN is the
free handout game from BYU. It's ironic that even after leaving for the Pac10+2
they're still living off of scraps from the BYU banquet table. You're welcome
Utah.BTW Utah fans, you're welcome.
@Blowhard S"It seems the only BCS team willing to offer BYU a home
and home series is Utah... and I wouldn't expect that to last long."I agree it shouldn't last any longer. The free handouts that BYU is
giving their Lil' Brothers Up North should be discontinued. With the new Pac
10+2 TV schedule the Utes were kicked to the curb and given a slot on one of
their regionally broadcast satellite channels (was it the Weather Channel,
Travel Channel, Lifetime, soemthing like that?) BYU shouldn't be giving them any
freebies. It only makes their self-esteem that much worse. They need to start
earning it on their own.BYU doesn't benefit in any way by playing
the Utes in SLC but Utah benefits in several million ways by playing BYU in
Provo. The free handouts need to stop.
Although I don't always agree with Dutchman, I do respect him and his
opinion.He has always added to the conversation.Also,
props to Dutchman on his response to Fresnogirl. It's an example of what this
comment section could and should look like.
Fresnogirl,I jumped too quickly on your comment and I do apologize.
I realize now that you are not all over Utah articles as I claimed. I was
wrong. I was also too quick to judge Jeff's article. I have reread it and it
is a good piece and Jeff brought all the issues that have been out there for
awhile into one well written article.
re: In Stitches | 9:31 p.m. May 24, 2011 It was a T-Shirt. But, the
holier than thou attitude & the epically delusional sense of entitlement
that is so VERY common among war kitty fans that led to my non sequitur
(literary device).For the record; there is at least an ounce of
truth in every pound of sarcasm.p.s. Why So Serious?
Dutchman,THAT'S what we mean by class. Fresno girl deserves an
apology from YOU.
Dutchman -- misspelling your name just now was unintentional.
Duchman,If I misunderstood your comment, I apologize. Reading it
through the first few times, it sounded like you meant something different than
you later explained. However, I am confused by your comment directed
toward me: "unlike you being all over every article about Utah." First
of all, I can't remember the last Ute article I even read unless it showed up on
the BYU boards. Secondly, since I cheer for Utah to succeed (unless they are
playing my Cougs), I don't think I am ever derogatory toward your school when I
DO happen to post there.
Dutchman, Yes, your comments are generally as you say they are and
you do attempt to correct a lot of the misinformation. I'm sure both fan bases
can be appreciative of that. I like to think I am a big enough person to admit
I am wrong so I apologize for lumping you in with the trolls, there are enough
of them out there already.It seems we agree that both programs have
had success over the years and those accomplishments are to be respected, not
degraded. I give credit where it's due and cheer for Utah whenever they are not
playing BYU. fresnogirl is also one of those few fans that do show some class
in their comments. Mormonute is another.
Howard S.Everyone may not want to be BYU, but there are certainly
ALOT of elite teams who want to play BYU.Since BYU declared
independence last August, BYU has announced or is finalizing games with:Texas, Notre Dame, Nebraska, Penn State, Ohio State, West Virginia,
Georgia Tech, Syracuse, Wisconsin, Arizona State, USC, UCLA, Mississippi, Utah
and TCUThat's FIFTEEN AQ or soon to be AQ teams BYU has scheduled in
less than 9 months - almost all of them to be televised nationally on ESPN.Yes, Tom Holmoe must be quite the miracle worker to be able to schedule
so many high quality games in such a short period of time for a team that
doesn't get any "national respect".btw, BYU will be
getting $1 million to $2.5 million per game, while playing nationally televised
games on ESPN.Compared to $1.3 million per year for all sports on
the MTN in the MWC, this move to independence by BYU was a no brainer.The jealous whining from the hill is simply music to the ears of BYU fans.
Katie -- You forgot that they also like to pretend to be Cougars and
make statements to bolster their fabrications. But Ernest will continue to
dominate these boards for decades if not longer.
Veritas and fresnogirl,Thank you for backing up your statements with
actual quotes and facts rather than simply extrapolating and flat out making
things up.But, you both must know by now, the debate team up on the
hill doesn't like to use actual facts. It's much, much easier if one of them
makes something up and the rest of them just pretend like it's true.
We will dominate for decades if not longer.
Howard S. | 10:38 p.m. May 24, 2011 Taylorsville, UT Lets take
inventory Cougar fans:===Geez, you twist words...Not home and home, showing that you understand they are home and home --
and neutral site.Cute, but invalidates any arguments you have, or
will bring in the future.===Howard S. | 10:56 p.m. May 24,
2011 Taylorsville, UT Actually fresnogirl, it was widely
reported that in his triumphant Iggy's press conference announcing his
commitment to BYU, Jake Heaps stated that BYU would win national
championship(s). Mind If I correct you?"This is the
place we felt we had the best opportunity to win championships," Heaps
said. "In no way, shape or form am I guaranteeing anything, but we're going
to work like crazy for a national championship. It's not a dream, it's a reality
and a goal we can achieve."===Respectfully, what is
your concern with what Heaps said?
@Howard S.Every series you just posted are Indeed Home and Home
Series.The only Non-Home and Home Series is the Notre Dame Series
4-2.The Texas is a Home and Home, the first game was a one and done
deal (seperate contract), signed before BYU's Independence.Nebraska,
Wisconsin, Penn State, Syracuse, will be Home and Home with an additional
Neutral Site Game (2 million dollar range).UCLA, USC, Arizona, ASU,
Georgia Tech, will all be Home and Home as they have been with BYU in the
past.WVU, TCU are one time Neutral Site Big Dollar Prime Time ESPN
games. Like the Oklahoma game was.The contortions Utes must go
through to diminish all things BYU is quite amusing.Honesty goes a
Ravenal and Deep Thoughts,Bring the proof. I am willing to consider
your thoughts that I am somehow rude and disruptional. Once you really try to
bring some evidence I believe you will see you are wrong. You can probably
point to a few times when I get snippetty like most of you but for the vast
majority of my comments I try to bring thoughtful information. And for the most
part I am responding to negative comments or disinformation posted by other
users not just making stuff up as I go along but trying to in a straight forward
way refute disinformation about Utah and BYU for that matter and there is a lot
of that out there. One thing that you may notice that really gets under my skin
is when BYU fans absolutely refuse to give any credence to Utah's 1944 NCAA
national basketball title. I for one have never on any board or any situation
ever discredited BYU's 1984 national football title. I have given BYU a lot of
kudos in the past regarding their academic and research standing and will
continue to do so regardles of what you may think of me.
@CordonBleuJealousy?Yeah right...Every wants
to be BYU...They just don't respect them enough to play them home
Howard S.Your jealousy is showing.The best Utah has ever
been able to do is schedule Michigan and Notre Dame for one-and-dones? In fact,
Utah is so lightly regarded, that the Utes couldn't even get their PAC 12 debut
game at USC televised on ESPN. EVERY ONE of these soon to be
announced BYU games will be nationally televised on ESPN. Yet you're ragging on
BYU for scheduling home-and-home-and-neutral site made for television games with
Ohio State, Nebraska, and Penn State???Get real!
Howard S.Again, notice, not a single BYU fan has said BYU would be
National Champions.Let's take inventory:Notre Dame - has
never played at UtahTexas - has never played at UtahGa. Tech - has
never played at UtahTCU - has never played Utah in Cowboys stadiumWest Virgina - has never played Utah in an NFL stadiumWisconsin - has
never played at UtahNebraska - has never played at UtahPenn St. -
has never played at UtahUSC - hasn't played at Utah since the leather
helmet daysOklahoma - has never played Utah in Cowboys stadiumCall us the FIRST time Utah schedules ANY elite team to play at Utah or
schedules a made-for-television game against an elite program in an NFL
stadium.The Utes were completely ignored when the ABC/ESPN PAC 12
schedule was announced.
@fresnogirl "Please notice that not a single Cougar fan has
said we would be National Champions."**********Actually
fresnogirl, it was widely reported that in his triumphant Iggy's press
conference announcing his commitment to BYU, Jake Heaps stated that BYU would
win national championship(s).
"If you win all of your games, you will be in the BCS," Brown said.
"Utah's proven it, Boise State's proven it, TCU's proven it and Hawaii
proved it that one year. That's not changing. You'll probably even see
opportunities, given the strength of schedule BYU will play, plus their brand
name, teams now could lose a game and could still make the BCS depending on how
the year turns out. That is great for the sport, and those are opportunities BYU
will be able to take advantage of going forward, because I know BYU will play a
really good schedule, no doubt about it."I like the opportunity
BYU has now that they have the freedom to schedule teams from many BCS
conferences. BYU can put together impressive enough schedules that will give
them the chance to possibly break the into a BCS bowl game even with a one loss
season. This along with the national exposure they will gain and TV deal BYU has
in place and im really loving the move to independence.
fresnogirl -You are my hero!Hank Pym - War
kittens? Really? Wow...
UteologyYou're comparison between BYU 1984 and Utah 2004 is, as
usual, ridiculous.Throw out BYU's 12th game against aweful Utah
State(1-10), and the combined records of BYU's and Utah's opponents:BYU 1984: 54-69-3; 4 teams with winning records: Tulsa(6-5), at
Hawaii(7-4), at Air Force(8-4), at Utah(6-5-1)Utah 2004: 53-72-0;
3 teams with winning records: Texas A&M(7-5), at UNM(7-5), at Wyo(7-5)
You really expect us to believe that New Mexico and Wyoming on the
road were tougher than Hawaii, Air Force and Utah?Air Force 1984 was
better than anybody Utah played in 2004, including Utah's BCS bowl opponent,
Pittsburgh, which was one of the worst BCS teams ever.
Lets take inventory Cougar fans:Notre Dame - not home and homeTexas - not home and homeGa. Tech - not home and homeTCU - not
home and homeWest Virgina - not home and homeWisconsin - not home
and homeNebraska - not home and homePenn St. - not home and homeUSC - not home and homeUCLA - not home and homeQuite a list
of the college football elite, none of which consider BYU worthy of a straight
up home and home series.Tom Holmoe says that we has turned down 2,
two-for-one offers...Translation: He turned down offers from two BCS
teams that didn't consider BYU worthy of a home and home series.It
seems the only BCS team willing to offer BYU a home and home series is Utah...
and I wouldn't expect that to last long.
@Uteology I don't think Griz was trying to downplay the Utes undefeated seasons
(regardless of SoS it's difficult for any team to go undefeated through a season
and the fact the Utes have done it twice in the last 7 years is impressive).
Rather, I think he was trying to refute the arguments of certain people who are
saying that it's impossible for BYU to make it to a BCS, or National
Championship game, with the "cupcakes" they have on their schedule.On a different note, I am genuinely curious as to how many teams with a
top 5 or top 10 SoS have made it to the NC game in the last 10 years? I would
venture to guess that it's not as many as we might think...
Oh, golly Dutchman, I'm so glad you explained your motives: "However, this article truly was a waste of time. Jeff can do much better
other than go back to some notes he took and filed away six months ago and now
decides to write something."Here we were thinking it was you
being a Troll; we didn't realize you were Jeff's journalism professor.
Actually, Heaps was right. No Conference = No conference Championship to play
for just a National one. HE NEVER stated that BYU was going to be this year's
N.C. ColoradoUte4Life intimated that he did though when he posted,"Heaps is believing all of the normal 'national championship' talk
generally associated in the preseason in Utah County."So did
another Ute, Skippy, when he posted, "BYU thinks they will win
it before they even play their first game and other schools "play one game
at a time" before being arrogant enough to say it out loud."And then finally you, when you posted, Someone once said or maybe
it was a T-shirt that proclaimed BYU Perennial September National Champions."I guess its true if all the fans of the war kittens say it is.
Because, honesty and virtue is hard wired into all the true believers."Please notice that not a single Cougar fan has said we would be National
Champions. We never do. But many Utes like to pretend we do and then make fun of
us for doing something we never did. I guess imaginary arguments ARE
the easiest ones to win....
@GrizAre BYU fans really downplaying Utah's two undefeated seasons?
FACT: BYU beat up "Bo Diddly Techs" to win a national
championship in 1984 with a SOS of #104.FACT: The 2008 team was the
ONLY undefeated team in the nation who beat 4 ranked teams (#6, #7, #18, and
#25). SOS 2004 #67 and 2008 #56 according to USA Today (for a comparison #8
Penn State SOS was #55).You can argue all you want which team was
better but only one proved it on the field.The TV exposure is great
for BYU. However, since BYU did not get the "Notre Dame of the West"
BCS exception don't count on a 10 or 11 win BYU team to be playing in January.
For example, the real Notre Dame in 2002 was 10-2 and still did not play a BCS
Oh look, the little boys on the hill are throwing dirt clods again, yelling,
"Pay attention to us! Pay attention to us! Legitimize us!"There. You've been acknowledged. Feel better now?
Hank Pym Show us the quote of ANYONE here or in the article who is
saying that the Cougars WILL BE the National Champs. Yeah, I thought not. When
you don't have an argument, does sarcasm provide one?
re: Rikitikitavi | 2:28 p.m. May 24, 2011 Can I be on the
Someone once said or maybe it was a T-shirt that proclaimed BYU Perennial
September National Champions.I guess its true if all the fans of the
war kittens say it is. Because, honesty and virtue is hard wired into all the
true believers. Sarcasm off?
@troutmanGet a clue, do you have any idea how difficult it is to
throw together an entire 12-13 game schedule from scratch and get it done in
just a few months? Normally it's something that AD's work on for years in
advance. It boggles my mind that people can't seem to figure that out.At the same time, BYU needs to balance their schedule out as well. If you look
at the Utes schedules in the years they went to a BCS bowl game, they scheduled
copious amounts of cupcakes and cream puffs with a couple of bigger named teams
that were fortunately having rebuilding seasons (ie in 2008 they played the
worst Michigan team in over 100 yrs, a lousy Louisville team and caught BYU in a
year where they were breaking in a new QB). In 2004 they played probably one of
the easiest schedules in Division 1 and didn't face a ranked team all year then
got the worst BCS Bowl opponent in history with the 8-5 Pitt Panthers.Some of that is just plain luck and hard to control, but schedules cupcakes
you can control and is necessary.
Dutchman,I'm not sure why you are trying to mix it up with
Fresnogirl. I haven't seen her on any Ute articles since basketball season
ended. And when she was posting, it was to encourage fan support for our team
and to wish us luck. That's a far cry from the stuff you continually post on
their articles. You could really learn from her example. Just sayin'.
I am really not sure why people are raging on the strength of schedule for this
year. It may be the toughest schedule BYU has ever put together and is
considered to be one of the 10 toughest this season. It is certainly harder by
far than the Utes schedule this year (or ever).
At least 2011's schedule lets us take care of some unfinished business by
evening our record against (BYU's overall record in parentheses)* Ore St
(4-5) and* Idaho (1-2)and improving against* TCU (5-4).Of course, we have perfect records against lesser teams like:*
Idaho St (3-0) and* TEXAS (2-0).
@Muss ManSorry to burst your bubble Mussy. But, BYU has
talked Independence for 25 years, planned for 15, and 5 years ago began
Construction projects which prepared them for the inevitable.Less
than one year after BYU declared Independence, they have the Nations State of
the Art Broadcast Facility, are hard wired HD to venues on campus, BYU-tv is in
60 million homes on basic tier (a process which started 12 years ago) they have
a multi-million dollar contract with the biggest name in sports ESPN and are
scheduling storied programs.Their Football and B-ball games (all)
will be Nationally televised.Sorry Mussy, the World which is BYU
does not and never has revolved around the U. They have vision and look
ahead.If anything, BYU has left millions on the table while having
little brother tag along.When Utah got it's invite to the Pac
10(which BYU, a Faith Based Inst. never would have recieved) BYU was ready to
implement Their plan, years in the making.Sorry, the U is not the
center of BYU's Universe.but nice try anyaway.
So much talk about a weak schedule by playing WAC teams. Interesting that Boise
State was so close to a BCS Championship game until a missed field goal took
them out. What's amazing is that BSU played a complete WAC schedule last year
and was still in the running for a top 3 ranking. BYU schedule is much stronger
this year and should generate the same opportunities. It's looking like a great
year for football in the state of Utah in 2011.
That's not true Dutchman, I see you on BYU sites all the time. Even when you're
on Ute articles, your one of those that still harp on BYU.As for
Fresnogirl, yeah, she may post on Ute articles, but she usually shows a lot of
class and maturity. Kind of like Mormonute, rarely do I see them post the kind
of negative dribble that you, hedgie, Honor code, and chris have become known
Fresnogirl,"For someone who is constantly complaining about
what a waste of time reading BYU articles is".You must be
referring to someone else. I rarely read articles that are solely devoted to
BYU unlike you being all over every article about Utah and I rarely complain
about an article being a waste of time. However, this article truly was a waste
of time. Jeff can do much better other than go back to some notes he took and
filed away six months ago and now decides to write something.
Riverton Cougar: great definition of trailblazer AND some great points to
support it. I would really like to have you and Fresno girl and YgradYdad on my
It's a great day to be a Cougar!
SkippyUnlike Y grad/dad, I didn't think you were offended; I just
thought you had a little brother complex. I still do.
Good luck to you, Cougars. It was a gutsy move and I am curious to see how it
will work out for you. It looks like a few other schools will be watching as
well (and perhaps following you). See you in September.
SkippyYou should go and read that again. He stated his goal which
YOU then admitted all teams are playing for. He never guaranteed BYU reaching
that goal. I would rather have my team striving for a lofty goal and
missing the mark then striving for a mediocre goal. After all, Don Shula openly
states that his team would have never had a perfect season if he had never dared
to state that as a goal. He elaborates that when aiming an arrow, you should aim
for the bullseye so that, even if you miss it a bit, you still hit the target.
If you just aim for the target and miss, you miss it completely.====And to Big J and Dutchman who are (yet again) showing off their
insecurities for all the world to see. Alas, trying to tear down others will
never make you look bigger or more important.
By winning all of its games, a school can qualify for a BCS bowl. In the BCS
era only 4 schools have done that and 3 have done it twice. Win and you're in.
Y grad/Y dad... No where in that comment could you assume I was offended! Good
luck with your BYU Expectaions. As for the other college football teams, they
will continue to play one game at a time and let the peices of the puzzle fall
where they fall.
Riverton CougarYou make some good points. I remember a radio
interview in Utah several years back where the radio sports guy (can't remember
the name now) was asking the President of the WAC if the WAC would take the
other BYU sports if BYU were to go independent in Football. Since this interview
was several years before The Utes were invited to go anywhere, it seems highly
unlikely that independence was simply a reaction to that.=========@ DutchmanFor someone who is constantly
complaining about what a waste of time reading BYU articles is, you sure do read
and comment on a lot of them. Maybe it's time to reevaluate how you choose to
spend your free time. Just a thought.=====@ Mormon
UteThank you for always displaying the kind of sportsmanship and
goodwill that can (and usually does) exist between our two schools. You are a
great reminder that a very vocal negative minority does NOT represent the
majority. Good luck in your new Conference. I'll be cheering for you (as
"Would BYU have gone independent had Utah not left for the PAC-12? The only
honest answer is "No.""My credible sources say
otherwise. According to someone in the Physical Education department at BYU
(who was involved in the decision-making process), BYU made the decision to go
independent several years ago, not last August. The question was when to go
independent, and that was answered in August after Utah left.Here's
some proof: talks with ESPN, the broadcasting building, the HDTV equipment and
truck, etc. Do you think in August when Holmoe made the announcement, they
said, "Hurry, let's build a new building to handle the exposure
issue!" and *poof* there it was!? A decision like that isn't made
lightly.What is more "trailblazing": joining a conference
or taking the independence path?
THE MWC and it's lousy TV situation ruined the trajectory of BYU football
nationally. They basically disappeared from national view for a while... of
course, a couple of those years that was a blessing in disguise. :)
Muss Man,If you are going to ask the question, and expect an honest
answer, you also gotta ask "why?"Why would BYU have
stayed? Because the conference was getting stronger, maybe heading toward BCS
status itself? Probably not a reason to continue to endure the Mnt. Because BYU was still hoping for a BCS invite that included Utah? That seems
like a likely possibility. Which raises a really interesting
question: do you think (because we can only speculate) that IF BYU had gotten an
invite without Utah, would they have declined or would they have jumped? There
are many that postulate BYU would have stayed. As for Utah
trailblazing? It IS new uncharted territory for Utah, but it required no
courage and not a second thought. Ditch the MWC? Not even a question. BYU going
independent? Yeah, that's trailblazing, and it seems like if it works, others
might follow. Sounds like a trailblazer to me.
Time for an honesty check, Cougar fans.Would BYU have gone
independent had Utah not left for the PAC-12? The only honest answer is
"No." BYU is not "blazing a new trail." BYU is simply
responding to its rival leaving the MWC.That being said, given the
circumstances, it was the right call. The Cougars are clearly in a better
position now to capitalize on BYUtv and the ESPN partnership.But the
reality is, had Utah not left the MWC, BYU wouldn't have gone independent. The
University of Utah is the true "trailblazer" in this story.
Good luck Cougars on this new course you have charted. Looking forward to
Hey Skippy,First there was "magic happens" (I don't know
what came before that), then "Max Hall hates me" and now it's Jake
Heaps. Why do you guys spend so much time and emotional energy scrutinizing an
"arrogant" school with "arrogant" teams and
"arrogant" fans, looking to be offended?And I am truly
sorry that a number of "you" people have a difficult time
distinguishing between EXPECTING good things and thinking or saying they have
already happened. I don't believe having high expectations qualifies as
arrogance. Seeing as you clearly can't be arrogant, does that mean you have low
or no expectations for your team?
"These are not the droids you are looking for".blah, blah,
blah. Nothing new here. This has all been stated ad nausea. What a wasted
Some of the uneducated comments are just hilarious. Pretty simple BYU goes
undefeated they will play for and probably win their second National
Championship! They do that and the 2 for 1 games will go away because it will
be a wake-up call for these so-called bigger schools which won't be a factor
after that occurs.
Bah, bah, bah. Spin, spin, spin. Cougar Nation, quit kidding yourselves. BYU
sold their sporting future for a little more money. Yes it was more than the MWC
deal, and there is more exposure on ESPN. In the process they really messed up
all their programs and I include Football in that group.Recruiting
will not be enhanced in anyway. BYU will still get the same type of kids they
are getting now but will not do any better. No one will be enticed by three to
four losses early in the year and a weak schedule to end the year.There will never be any BCS bowls and on the national stage they will continue
to be that quirky program they have always been. BYU is hoping, but not saying,
that the Independence thing is a short term stop gap. Good Luck!
"We're not playing for a conference championship," said sophomore
quarterback Jake Heaps. "We're playing for a national
championship."Isn't that what we are all playing for? The only
difference...BYU thinks they will win it before they even play their first game
and other schools "play one game at a time" before being arrogant
enough to say it out loud.
I'm a Ute fan, but I'd sure like to wish the Y football luck with this new
venture. I'm liking independence for Y football more and more. The MWC does
not produce revenue, exposure, or a competitive schedule. The Y's football
schedule for the upcoming season is pretty weak, but that is obviously changing
as the top tier competition needs more than a few weeks notice for
scheduling.Going independent is a bold, gutsy move by the Y. As the
Y moves beyond playing lousy WAC teams, I'll be watching for you on ESPN!
It is all about winning. Boise, Utah, TCU, Hawaii all got into BCS games with
weaker schedules than BYU will play this year.So if BYU wins 10 or
11 games, a BCS Bowl is possible.National Championship? An
undefeated USC team was overlooked. Neither Utah or BYU will get into an NC
game, even if undefeated, unless the SEC, BIG 10, or Big 12 teams all have 2 or
more losses.So a realistic goal is a BCS Bowl game. An NC is highly
unlikely. For either team.
This opportunity presents itself with what we've always wanted: the chance and
need to PROVE IT ON THE FIELD. If BYU starts quickly and does well, they will
rise to the top, maybe slowly, but surely. The same is true for Utah. But
perhaps the Cougars will find a soft schedule the first year as a way to ease
into independence while thet Utes will find they maybe don't fit intothe PAC 12,
at least not now. Both teams destiny lies in winning games.I feel
BYU will do very well this year. Then their schedule will improve.I
believe it will take Utah 3 years to win a combined total of ten PAC 12
Conference games.....at least 3 years.
ColoradoUte4LifeSince your comment is reasoned, we can assume you
are simply mistaken, and not deranged. If I didn't recognize the
glaring weaknesses on the schedule, I would be an idiot. If you fail to admit
the strengths of the schedule, then you would be right there with me. Now from there, there is still a long hard row to hoe. 1) We have to win the
tough games; 2) after we beat them, the traditionally tough teams have to
continue tough; 3) even IF we win the tough games early, playing cupcakes the
last half of the season STILL may not be enough to propel us into the top
echelon; and 4) we can't afford to lose focus against the Utah States on the
schedule because we know, by sad experience, what they can do given the chance.
Plus, the right teams have to lose at the right time, but that is the same
story for all but the elite 5 or so each year. So, DIFFICULT? Yes.
Impossible? No. IF BYU went undefeated this year, ( yes, tall order, but we
EXPECT big things from the men in blue) it could happen.
I understand that the weak teams on our schedule may be of concern, but since
they are home games it might help us out. Anybody can beat anybody at home.
But if BYU beats Ole Miss AND Texas AND TCU AND Hawaii on the road and goes
undefeated, people will be impressed. If the home/road games had switched,
there goes our chances (they'd say home field advantage helped).Broom Hockey Champ,I did notice they kept the name, and a BYU
invite is very likely. However, the Big East wants BYU (as do its fans), but
BYU will probably reject the invitation. BYU might accept a Big 12 invite, but
this independence thing is working out rather well for us. I'd rather bring
down the AQ status of all conferences than join an AQ conference.
I love the possibilities that Independence gives us. For the naysayers talking
about this upcoming season's schedule, I say "Grow up."Tom
did a great job putting this schedule together in such a short time and the
future schedules keep getting stronger. But you little boys already knew that.
Great time to be a Cougar fan.Go Gougars.
Poor Honor Code. Nobody writes articles about his Aggies, so he has to bitterly
Troll articles about the Utes and Cougars....
Honor Code | 8:50 a.m. May 24, 2011 Denver, Colorado Also, I
can't wait for my sugar high at LVS!!! ===LVS?I
don't get the acronym...Planning the Las Vegas Bowl again?Is that the reference to WAC teams?How did Utah do in the Vegas
Bowl against a WAC team last time?Good luck as U reach for the
Did anyone else see that the Big 12 leadership voted to keep the Big 12 name
even though there are only 10 teams in the conference? This is significant
because it means that they will likely invite 2 new teams to join the
conference. BYU has proven they can beat Big 12 teams in football
(see win vs. OU). They'll prove it again when they beat Texas this year. And
now the basketball program is becoming a major player, winning a POY award and
going to the Sweet 16. I'm okay if they stay independent, but I
wonder if there is an opt out clause in the ESPN deal. It seems like an invite
might come any time now.
The Utah Utes and WSU Cougars will both be vying for a national championship
this year. I say they both have equal chance.Good luck to ya!
Honor Code Yes, Honor Code, we're especially looking forward to
those WAC games on September 17th and September 30th.
Can't wait for those WAC games at home. I look forward to seeing the Cougars
beat them bad in every game, should be fun!!! Also, I can't wait for my sugar
high at LVS!!!
ColoradoUte4Life"Independence takes you completely out of the
discussions for a national championship."When has Utah EVER
been in the national championship discussion. Even in their two BCS busting
seasons, Utah never finished higher than 6th in the BCS rankings.
BYU's schedule will not prevent them from vying for a national championship.
Having a national following makes up for a lot. How do you think name brand
teams like TX, OK and Ohio State get preferential treatment? They have the fans.
If there are 2 undefeated name brand teams then an undefeated BYU
would have a problem. If there is only one, BYU would have a very good shot. BYU
is now in a much better situation than TCU was last year or BSU in other years.
The exposure of going undefeated on national TV makes up for a lot. BYU's
schedule will get harder as the years go by. But the recruiting will also
improve. More talent equals more wins. The U also has to go
undefeated to get any chance at the championship game. They may BACK into the
Rose bowl on occasion but they are not going to the championship game unless
they go undefeated. The PAC is perceived as weak except for a couple of teams
and Utah is not one of them.
I can't wait for the season to start. Granted, the last half of this first
season might be considered 'small pickens' but it's how the season starts that
is exciting. And in the seasons to come is where this schedule will truly become
something to behold.Rant all U want BYU haters. Your conference
schedule will soon pale in comparison to the Cougar's gauntlet of top notch
teams.I know it must be difficult to acknowledge that in spite of
your recent success in getting to the PAC that BYU's relevance continues to move
on without U. So get this in your head... BYU is more than just a
local university with a local following. BYU is a 'storied program' and the
relationship with ESPN more than justifies it. Very few schools could pull off
what BYU has done in such a short time. It's no wonder that other schools and
the media are watching so closely as to how BYU does. It's time to follow a
leader.... and what channel are you on other than ESPN one time in
"I still think it would have been tough for the PAC to turn us away if we
had done what Utah has done twice."Don't kid yourself. The
PAC-10 bigotry against religion in general and BYU in particular is far stronger
than any desire to have another football team join the conference, no matter how
good. This is true for the institution presidents, ADs, and (in general) the
student body and active alumni. Less so for the fan base, and afaik not an issue
for the coaches.
COUte4life:The thing about the 'talk' in Utah County is that BYU has
been there and we, the fans, expect to be there again. Ute fans have pipe
dreams for that and good memories of going to a high paying bowl game.
Can't wait for the season to begin.. I'll have to start replaying all the old
games I have on tape just to get through the summer. GO COUGARS!!
"We're not playing for a conference championship," said sophomore
quarterback Jake Heaps. "We're playing for a national
championship."Unfortunately, BYU's schedule will not allow them
to play in any national championship game. Even if they wipe everyone off the
map these coming years, their schedule is, and will continue to be, weak. Heaps
is believing all of the normal "national championship" talk generally
associated in the preseason in Utah County. Sorry guys, you just aren't at the
table regardless of the ESPN coverage.Independence takes you
completely out of the discussions for a national championship.
I'm glad we've finally figured out the importance of winning. It's amazing that
Utah, Boise and Hawaii all busted the BCS before BYU. I still think it would
have been tough for the PAC to turn us away if we had done what Utah has done
twice. BYU needs to schedule games where it wants to recruit.
Recruits won't come if they don't know BYU and see them play. We got Beck and
Hall because we played ASU (after a 10 year drought). BYU should play at least
one game a year on the East Coast. It helps us get players out here and badly
needed media exposure.
Relatively obscure TV network? Understatement of the year. BYU would still be
in the MWC and it would probably already be in the BCS if we had not joined with
MTN. I will say i was actually looking forward to BYU, Utah, TCU,
Boise State, Hawaii and the other new kids on the block. The MWC will be in the
BCS within 2-3 years. I bet BYU will try to get a BYU rule like Notre Dame has
at that time.
The only thing is, this years schedule at home with the likes of Idaho, Idaho
State, New Mexico State, San Jose State will kill them in strength of schedule.
The Y will win all of those games, but so what? those teams? come on! They
may even get revenge on Utah State for USU killing of the Y in Logan last year?
But with Gary Anderson, who knows, it might be the first time the Aggies beat
the Y in Provo since 1978! OH BH from Riverton by way of Gilbert, flame away
with your arrogance!
I can't help but think that playing GOOD BCS teams all over the country every
year on ESPN and BYUtv will really help recruiting in four ways:1.
Players will know they could get to play near their home sometime during their
BYU careers.2. Prospects near where BYU plays will have that
introduction to the school, which they wouldn't otherwise.3. Players
will know ALL of their games will likely be seen nationwide every week, one way
or another. And likely replayed on BYUtv, even if live on ESPN.4.
Players will know that they'll play a nice variety of really good BCS football
teams during their BYU careers.This independence thing with ESPN's
help is SO COOL!Getting into BCS bowl games would just be frosting
on the cake.Conference championships are over-hyped, especially in
mid-major conferences. Even in BCS conferences both their regular season champs
and conference playoff champs are soon forgotten. BCS bowl victories, and mostly
national champs are what's remembered.
BYUs national following of supporters and haters is going to increase
September can't come soon enough!