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  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    May 24, 2011 4:47 p.m.

    "The uprisings in the Middle East and African nations are not about democracy. They hide behind the word "Democracy" to change government without democratic elections. Students were used to stir each other up so unknown leaders can get in. There is no security or stability to that. President Obama's support has led to continued violence, death and destruction. All holy books command not to disrespect your leaders or to create disorder in the land."

    Hold on a second! Do you really think you are allowed to get away with that double standard. How is it when a Republican stirs people to revolt against their dictators, it is all right. But if a Democrat does the exact same thing, somehow this is inciting violence in otherwise peaceful nations.

    This constant attack of it is right when we do it, but wrong when Obama CONTINUES the very same policies is now condemnable. No one is going to take the right side of the spectrum (nor the left) if they continue to use double standards in just about everything they do.

    Enough is enough.... lets give honesty a chance.

  • MarieDevine Divine-Way Kansas City, MO
    May 24, 2011 2:41 p.m.

    The uprisings in the Middle East and African nations are not about democracy. They hide behind the word "Democracy" to change government without democratic elections. Students were used to stir each other up so unknown leaders can get in. There is no security or stability to that. President Obama's support has led to continued violence, death and destruction. All holy books command not to disrespect your leaders or to create disorder in the land.

    Business, unions and money making are the fuel that is firing up the destructions in the Middle East. Our employment lifestyle causses our world problems including pollution that is making young and old diseased. IF that were the only reason, we should turn back to the land for a healthy future. A garden paradise lifestyle is the goal in all holy books. It is the only sustainable lifestyle that brings true peace, security, abundance and joy. We need to choose it while we still can.

    President Obama is a great speech maker, but he is going the wrong way, making war instead of bringing peace.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
    May 24, 2011 8:26 a.m.

    My view on the 1967 borders is that Egypt doesn't want the Gaza Strip back and Jordan doesn't want the West Bank. It is their contribution to a Palestinian state.

    When I say, that Israel has taken Palestinian land I mean in a land ownership sense, not in a national boundary sense. It seems to me that Jordan took it in the Six Day war and Jordan lost it fair and square.

    That is when Israel began to lose their moral high ground. (Actually Uvi Avnery says that Israel lost the moral high ground when they declared themselves a Jewish state in 1948.)

    Israel has defined their administration of the West Bank so that it is awfully easy for them to take over Palestinian lands. As one US-born settler put it, "Just because some Palestinians goats used to graze there doesn't mean that it belonged to him." The point of Israel's occupation is to make life for the Pals so hard that they leave and go elsewhere. More humane than killing Israel argues, but not something that the US should be supporting in any way.

    We have lost our moral bearings too.

    Tekakaromatagi

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    May 24, 2011 7:51 a.m.

    radically_independent, here's one for you. Bush said in Israel in '08 Isralei and Plasteinian negotiations need to begin with the 1949 (pre 1967 war) borders and then refelct current reality (contain land swaps). Both Bush and Obama said the same thing and are correct.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    May 24, 2011 5:21 a.m.

    No Mike, Reid is just saying that there are those who want to use this situation as a political football between the parties, and that there will be no Republican, nor Democrat solution to this issue. Whether you agree with the position or not, Obama is clearly right to clarify his administrations position on the middle east. Statements of position can and should be made, but as Reid said, it is only with Israel and the Palestinians at the table can this be resolved. Right now, neither side will even come to the table.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    May 23, 2011 11:44 p.m.

    Just moments ago, Senator Harry Reid said: "The place where negotiating will happen must be at the negotiating table - and nowhere else," Reid declared in a speech to an annual gathering in Washington of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). "Those negotiations . will not happen - and their terms will not be set - through speeches, or in the streets, or in the media."

    Mr. Obama has even managed to offend his Democrat Senate Majority Leader.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    May 23, 2011 8:39 p.m.

    JSB... you need to study up on exactly what the Israeli movement did before there was an Israel - many of the same tactics the Arabs now use - only against the British. You have to remember that before there was Israel, this was palistinian land occupied by the British. There is a long and deep history here. Many countries claim historical rights to this land. Israel had not occupied that land for nearly 2000 years before. The term agressor is a rather relative term.

    One side behaving poorly does not justify the other side acting just a poorly. All you end up with is two side behaving poorly, with no resolution in sight. That, and there is a very clear document that establishes these lands for each group. This land was carved out of land that had been occupied by others before them.

    JSB... if you want to start quoting history, quote the whole history.... your last comment cast dispersions across a whole segment of people unjustly. Those people no more represent the Arab world as a whole any more than Mormons or Tea Party members represent this nation as a whole. I was over there, I say it live.

  • Mr.Glass Salt Lake City, UT
    May 23, 2011 7:56 p.m.

    Dear Mike Richards,

    You seem to forget that the Palestinians were displaced by Israelis after WWII. It's called an occupation.

  • radically_independent Orem, Utah
    May 23, 2011 7:39 p.m.

    Wouldn't it be nice to see for once the comments on this board not split down party lines and some independent thinking happen. No one is always wrong, nor is anyone always right.

    But the same crowds on both sides use the same tired talking points - regardless of the issue.

    I am not even saying the same thing didn't happen when a Republican was in office. But at some point, someone from the left needs to be able to say Bush did x wrong, and y right. Likewise from the right... Obama is wrong on these issues, but is in synch on these others.

    But no chance. No one seems to want to explore the options. Rather they just want reaffirmation of what they already believe.

    No one is all evil, and no one is all good.

    Please people... get over it.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    May 23, 2011 7:33 p.m.

    Re. Iron Guy
    You sound like someone who defends the Nazi invasion of Polland. Israel did not steal the land. The Arab countries attacked Israel, not the other way around. I personally remember Israel's Abbe Eban speech at the UN pleading with the Arab countries not to attack. After the war, Israel gave a lot of the land back to the Arab agressors. Had the outcome be different, do you think the Arabs would give back captured land? The agressors have responded to Israel's returning the land by shooting rockets into Israel from the very land they gave back to them. Given the terrorist activity directed toward Israel from its Arab neighbors, why in the world should they give any more land back? If you start a war and you lose, then, you lose and you'd better be ready to accept the consequences. In this case, Israel has been more than reasonable.

    I realize, Iron Guy, that you are probably just a youth and have been deceived by people who want to rewrite history. But, I remember it. I also remember Israel was our faithful ally on 9/11 while Palestinians danced in the streets.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    May 23, 2011 7:26 p.m.

    Israel, as they have taken on the mantle of Gods chosen people, should hold themselves to a higher standard than those around them. It is a delicate balancing act. The need to be able to defend itself is very real. And yet, this does not excuse them from the moral contract that have as Gods chosen people. He has clearly stated that his blessing on them are directly linked to the morals of their society. It is not enough to be Gods people, it carries a higher requirement from them... often at a very high cost.

    The United States needs to hold Israel to the charters that created the state - and at the same time set in motion the creation of a equal Palestinian state. Israel can not claim legitimacy for its state, while denying those others granted the same rights in the same charter. There has to be two states.

    Now, if after a real Palestinian state is created, there continues to be violence between the two nations, Israel has ever legitimate right to defend itself by what ever means necessary.

    Until then, there will be no piece while one group does not enjoy equal liberties.

  • Edward L. Orem, UT
    May 23, 2011 6:13 p.m.

    Re:Screwdriver

    "Israel has some serious unexplained power over Americans. They bulldose palistinian homes and shoot unarmed kids yet they have your unconditional support. It's strange at best."

    It is strange that so many Americans are willing to unconditionally support the state of Israel even after they commit acts which are opposed to core American values. There are times when we should support Israel but that doesn't mean they should have our unconditional support. You gave several examples of actions that Israel has taken which we should condemn as we support a sustainable peace.

  • Edward L. Orem, UT
    May 23, 2011 6:08 p.m.

    To: BYUalum

    "I am sick to death of people always calling the race card when opposing comments are made about Obama. So juvenille!"

    Everyone on this board who mentions racism or attacks your character are juvenile but it's not juvenile to call others juvenile or to resort to ad hominem attacks on their characters.

    "He, in fact, is leading this country down the wrong path, and it is our duty to call him out when he says and does dumb things."

    It's juvenile to accuse you of saying and doing racist things but not juvenile to call others out on saying and doing dumb things? I'm sure your response is likely to go something like this: "I know you are but what am I?"

    "Not supporting Israel is certainly one of many of them!"

    Tell that to the children who peacefully protest and throw stones at tanks. I guess it was okay for Israel to run them over and kill them. That's what the Palestinians call the Intifada. In other words Israel murdered children who tried to oppose them peacefully. Similar to police hoses and dogs on black civil rights protesters. Do you support that?

  • Freedom of Religion Orem, UT
    May 23, 2011 5:52 p.m.

    To: Mike Richards

    "Bountiful is part of the land taken from Mexico. If it's good for Israel, it's good for you. Better pack up and be ready to move out."

    When Mexicans who were born in Bountiful and who have never left cry out for their own country we will talk about it but until then the indigenous people of Palestine whose rights are violated by Israeli voters

    "Check your maps and your history. How much of the world needs to be re-aligned if we apply Mr. Obama's "doctrine" to every nation on earth?"

    No one is suggesting, except you, that we need to apply this doctrine the entire world since the entire world is not in a contest over geographical boundaries and the native people of America have rights that Israel denies Palestinians.

    "If he is somehow expected to supplant our Constitution with International Law, then he had better call in the tribal leaders and start discussions on how they want to repossess most of the lands of the United States."

    That would displace Americans. Genocide! That is what Israel is doing and we won't do it too just because Mike can vote

  • Turtle Owasso, OK
    May 23, 2011 5:30 p.m.

    @Richard Saunders
    "Please provide evidence of this. As I understand it, the info that led to the death of Bin Laden came from his courier"

    Precisely - the courier was identified using water boarding several years ago. They have been watching him ever since...

  • ashcroftgm Provo, UT
    May 23, 2011 5:13 p.m.

    @ Teafortwo
    Yes, Israel is our closest ally, but should our alliance be maintained at current levels? Even as an individual with Jewish grandparents, I can see no logical reason why the US should be so unabashedly behind Israel. Israel may have served well as a client state during the Cold War era, but since the fall of the Eastern Bloc it has increasingly become a liability for us in the region. Our unequivocal support for Israel (a nation which constantly breaches international law and intentionally violates human rights)has fed right into the hands of Islamic extremists, with these individuals using our unjustified support of Israel's neo-colonial practices as a tenet of their recruiting propaganda. I'm not saying we should deny Israel's right to exist, but I am saying we should distance ourselves from them. Israel has a very productive military industrial complex along with a developed economy, and has no need of the exorbitant 3 billion dollar subsidy we provide it each year. If we want to maintain our energy security, national security, and standing in the world community, we must work to produce a more impartial approach to the issue of Palestine.

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    May 23, 2011 5:05 p.m.

    Israel needs to be kicked off US welfare.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    May 23, 2011 4:58 p.m.

    ouisc said: What about Israel? Israel is as good as most Middle East countries at being two-faced. They will say one thing, but if Netanyahu and Obama ended up in a foxhole together, I don't think Netanyahu will believe Obama has his back. We are no longer an ally. Not until we elect a new President.

    Why should we (Obama) have his back, he hasn't got ours?
    You said..."Israel is as good as most Middle East countries at being two-faced. They will say one thing.

    So why do we pay them to pretend to be are ally?

    Kelliewood said: The Jews are a sacred and chosen people and not to be tampered with. Shame on Obama.

    Really Sacred? Chosen? Then their God will protect them and we don't need to send them billions to loan back to us or buy arms for Offensive use then do we?

  • ashcroftgm Provo, UT
    May 23, 2011 4:56 p.m.

    @gogogoff
    What is your source? The only thing remotely suggesting a desire to be included in Israel was a survey done of East Jerusalem residents by State Department researcher David Pollock. Even in that survey, only 35 percent favored maintaining Israeli citizenship. The report (as referenced on the Washington Post's site)went on to explain that the Palestinian rationale for wanting Israeli citizenship was primarily economic, as Israeli settlement expansion has basically destroyed the day-to-day economy of the Occupied Territories. Furthermore, in the survey, countless Palestinians complained of everyday discrimination by the Israelis. I don't want to sound combative, but I would encourage you to verify your facts and sources before you accuse me of spreading untruths. I am a senior at BYU majoring in International Relations, with an emphasis in Middle Eastern Studies and Arabic, and have done a good bit of study on the subject. I also live with a Palestinian Roman Catholic and have heard firsthand accounts of the abuses perpetrated by the Israeli Defense Forces. Yes, both sides have committed atrocities, but you can't just make Manichean judgments and say one side is good and one is evil.

  • Teafortwo salt lake city, utah
    May 23, 2011 4:54 p.m.

    Screwdriver- France is not an American ally. France does not even belong to NATO. France is for France. Period. The only time we are their ally is when they get invaded by the Germans and need us to liberate them.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    May 23, 2011 4:44 p.m.

    PERFECT...if you are Hamas or Taliban

  • Teafortwo salt lake city, utah
    May 23, 2011 4:43 p.m.

    Dixie Dan @ 10:11- You don't need to be a racist to dislike Obama. Or haven't you noticed what he has been up to? Under his leadership, unemployment is up 4 to 5 points; the debt has seen record increases and the economy is worse than at any time under Bush. Furthermore, Obama has made it clear that he wants to give 15,000,000 illegal aliens amnesty, even if he prefers to call it "reform". And now he makes the ridiculous demand that Israel retreat to it's 1967 borders. This clearly demonstrates his ignorance. There is a reason why they have not retreated: They need a buffer zone to protect them from their neighbors. The Israelis would have to be insane to give up an inch of land or even negotiate with the Palestinians until the Palestinians are united under a rational government that sincerely wants peace with Israel and is strong enough to neutralize the terrorist elements who do not want peace.

  • Teafortwo salt lake city, utah
    May 23, 2011 4:30 p.m.

    A "perfect speech"? Only if you can call slapping our closest Middle East ally, Israel, in the face a "perfect speech"......

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    May 23, 2011 4:11 p.m.

    The U.S. is certainly a proponent of democracy. But I can't support our President and say that everyone should have a democracy.

    Mubarak was doing a decent job controlling the crazies in Egypt. Now Christians are fearing for their lives. Gadhafi had committed no crimes for the past decade or so, yet we villify him for a civil war he didn't even start. The U.N. came down on Gadhafi for threatening counterattacks. Meanwhile, there are two countries with atrocities ongoing, and NEED U.N. intervention--Syria and Bahrain. Honestly, I'm glad we're not too engaged with Syria and Bahrain, but it dumbfounds me that we're all giddy about making a difference in Egypt and Libya. Especially Libya, where we are making things worse.

    What about Israel? Israel is as good as most Middle East countries at being two-faced. They will say one thing, but if Netanyahu and Obama ended up in a foxhole together, I don't think Netanyahu will believe Obama has his back. We are no longer an ally. Not until we elect a new President.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    May 23, 2011 3:41 p.m.

    Most people can't even explain thier stalwart, unconditional support for Israel. France is our alli too yet Americans piled right on them when they didn't think Iraq has WMD's. Freedom fries! They were right and people still hate france.

    Israel has some serious unexplained power over Americans. They bulldose palistinian homes and shoot unarmed kids yet they have your unconditional support. It's strange at best.

    The Israel Lobby is the reason. It has nothing to do with religion, unless money is your religion.

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    May 23, 2011 3:32 p.m.

    Pres. Obama is a good speaker. However he has 3 problems --- 1- He usually caters to what ever audience he has 2 - He normally does not really believe what he actually says he is going to do. 3 -If he does believe what he says he is going to do, he has no clue how to accomplish the task at hand.
    He Clouds and Wind without rain.He has proven in a short time that he cannot be trusted.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 23, 2011 3:27 p.m.

    @gogogoff

    A survey done of Israeli high schoolers found that half of them believe that Arab citizens of Israel do not deserve equal rights.

  • Kellie Wood Boise, ID
    May 23, 2011 2:54 p.m.

    Excellent point, Mike Richards! I guess Obama is ready to give back gold-laden Mount Rushmore to the local Indians that was taken by force?? (I'm an enrolled Blackfeet and Christian)

    At least the Jews never took their current land by force. They were attacked and won. That's how it goes. Obama is a Muslim at heart obviously. The Jews are a sacred and chosen people and not to be tampered with. Shame on Obama.

  • gogogoff Orem, UT
    May 23, 2011 2:47 p.m.

    ashcroftgm

    Nice LIE, they did a poll over 80% of Palestinians IN Israel, would rather live under Israeli control, then under Palestinian.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    May 23, 2011 2:34 p.m.

    BobP | 12:31 p.m. May 23, 2011
    Port Alice, B.C.
    The saving grace is that Israel has nukes. Illegally too

    That is the most repulsive thing that I've read yet. Congratulations
    With comments like that we should be fencing the northern border.

    Both sides are zealots, and nationalist and neither deserve what they have, and American needs to stop funding One side of this childish "land of promise lie". Let them and their gods settle it. Israel would not be so arrogant without the US standing behind it.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    May 23, 2011 2:02 p.m.

    To "Tekakaromatagi | 12:09 p.m." read up on the Khartoum Resolution that Israel proposed after the 6 days war. At that time the Arab world gave a response that included the "3 No's": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it."

    Is the Arab League ready to change their stance, by having peace with Israel, recognize Israel, and negociate?

    So far all we hear out of that area of the world is that they want to destroy israel.

  • ashcroftgm Provo, UT
    May 23, 2011 1:58 p.m.

    Not to be overly vitriolic, but it disappoints me to see the jingoistic statements in favor of Israel that are exhibited on this thread. If people really knew what was happening in Palestine, they might tone down their rhetoric a little bit. Palestinians are treated like second-class humans throughout much of the State of Israel and the Occupied Territories, with many of these Palestinians actually being Christians. These are Christians (Greek Orthodox, Armenian Orthodox, Roman Catholics, and some Mormons.) who have lived in Palestine for hundreds of years and are now subjected to Israeli expropriation of their land and institutional apartheid. In fact, the Relief Society President in Jerusalem/Al-Quds is Palestinian and has constantly been subjected to harassment and imprisonment by Israeli soldiers when she attempts to attend Church. The fact of the matter is that current Israeli settlement policies are leading to the creation of Palestinian "Bantustans" that resemble the reservations Afrikaners used to subjugate black South Africans. I am an individual of Jewish descent, but the current human rights abuses evidenced by the ultra-conservative Likud regime in Israel are NOT what I envision when I think of Judaism.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    May 23, 2011 1:55 p.m.

    Yeah, Obama. That's exactly what I think of when I think of Obama . . . perfect. Uh huh . . . perfect, and Irish, too. You bet.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    May 23, 2011 1:54 p.m.

    The golan heights were seized from Syria, because prior to the 6 day way Israel was shelled from that position for years prior. People forget there are arabs and palastinians living peaceful productive lives in Israel. Also note, Syria, Jordan, Lebonon and Eygpt will not allow palastinians to become citizens of their countries. Also, in 1948, Jordan siezed the west bank from the palastinians, and Eygpt siezed the gaza strip. So if we go back to the 1967 boundries, the palatinians still will have no country.

  • GreatScot Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 23, 2011 12:41 p.m.

    Irony Guy points out that Israel "stole" land during the six-day war. It should be remembered that Israel entered the "six-day war" in response to Arab blockade of the Suez canal, Egypt's expulsion of neutral peacekeeping forces, and amassing of Egyptian soldiers near Israel's border. Israel pushed the enemy back far enough to create a zone of safety which resulted in new borders. It could be considered stealing, but it could also be considered an act of preservation in the face of military aggression by a nation that has sworn to destroy Israel.

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    May 23, 2011 12:31 p.m.

    silkywiley:

    I agree with your general attitude, but you sure got Korea screwed up. The DMZ is 10 miles wide. It is far from a jungle (too cold, too far north) and the Koreans like the US being there (except for a few younger fools).

    As Romney said, Obama threw Israel under a bus. East Jerusalem is not negotiable, the bigger settlements stay, Hamas must be out and the Palestinians demilitarized.

    The saving grace is that Israel has nukes.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 23, 2011 12:30 p.m.

    @rifleman
    "Obama has already started backpedaling on his comment about Israel's 1967 borders."

    No he's not, even during the speech he mentioned that the 1967 borders are merely a starting point that they can do land swaps from if Israel wants particular pieces of land outside the 1967 borders. Not his fault some in the media weren't reporting that detail so he had to mention it again.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 23, 2011 12:25 p.m.

    Re: Tekakaromatagi | 12:09 p.m. May 23, 2011

    The Arabs should have known when they had a good thing going for them and made peace with Israel prior to the Six-Day War in June 1967. Based on your arguments the Soviet Union should have returned land they took from Finland in the Winter War.

    The Arabs started the Six-Day War, had all the numbers on their side, were salivating over their anticipated victory, and were stunned by their crushing defeat on all sides at the hands of the outnumbered Isralis.

  • TOO Sanpete, UT
    May 23, 2011 12:25 p.m.

    Penguin Inc,

    What does my coming out of Sanpete have to do with anything? Enlighten me, please.

  • silkywiley Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 23, 2011 12:10 p.m.

    The demilitarized zone between the two Koreas is more than 30 miles, as wide or nearly as wide as Isreal and a wild jungle forest. So is the US going to station 38,000 young American troops on the border between Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Israel? Obama talks about guaranteeing Israel's security, how does he intend to do that? Israelis are the only ones who will guarantee their security. And this time, they will not meekly walk into the ovens, while the world looks the other way.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
    May 23, 2011 12:09 p.m.

    I agreed with Obama and his comment about the 1967 borders. Years ago Saudi Arabia proposed that they would recognize Israel in return for returning to their 1967 borders but Israel didn't want to.

    If Israel doesn't want to withdraw from the West Bank, then they need to let the Palestinians in the West Bank vote in Israeli elections. The Old Testament condemns having a different set of laws for the stranger, i.e. the politically weak.

    Tekakaromatagi

  • silkywiley Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 23, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    Obama is a text book example of passive/aggressive behavior. He makes a policy or postion statement, immediately thereafter meets with his adversaries on the issue, deflects much of the negative energy with concillatory statements or just lets the adversaries rail at him, then he proceeds with his policy. Two step forward, one step back, he is moving forward.

  • zooology Bountiful, Utah
    May 23, 2011 11:44 a.m.

    Very sad how many people use Obama's race to disqualify anothers comments. I think President Obama is a very intellectual man. He's a sweet talker, he will tell you what you want to hear and after you agree he does the complete opposite. Interesting how President Obama is so concerned with Foriegn affairs, yet is less concerned about fixing our own problems in the United States of American. You know the country he's supposed to represent.

    So I guess we should apply Obama's new policy to the United States and return the land we stole from Native Americans and Mexico. We can't ask others to do things we aren't willing to do ourself.

    Too all those that think Obama's speech was flawless, wake up and smell the roses my friend, it was a slap in the face. Lets keep offending the Middle East the largest supplier of Oil, Lets keep our nose out of other countries business.

    Lets worry about THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FIRST!

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    May 23, 2011 11:40 a.m.

    Define a "perfect speech". This is very subjective. There is no possible way to prove it was a decent speech. The nation is divided on this guy. The nation is more polarized than ever, even Bush did a better job at unifying us. The world is seeing through barry and his lies and deceit. Even liberals dislike him. He only chose to begin talking about immigration reform as election comes up and he's looking for the latino vote. Even though he promised them that was one of his top agenda items. Oh yeah he also promised to have the economy fixed. Remember the summer of jobs? Remember how the stimulus was going to create 500,000 jobs every month? Instead we lost that many each month.

  • Andy Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 23, 2011 11:23 a.m.

    So many on this board just react to the title. Too bad, you miss a well-written and illuminating essay.

    Thanks to the Author for the insight. I appreciate the intelligent review.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 23, 2011 11:14 a.m.

    Re: bgl | 10:51 a.m. May 23, 2011

    Israel will never agree to go back to their borders prior to the 1967 Six-Day War when the United Nations cut and run after they asked for their help.

    You can not only book it .... you could bet your life on it.

  • bgl Santa Monica, CA
    May 23, 2011 10:51 a.m.

    An intelligent, black man--who is respected throughout the world is a tough thing for many on this board to handle. But handle it they must--for the next six years. Book it.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    May 23, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    @Dixie Dan 10:11

    I am sick to death of people always calling the race card when opposing comments are made about Obama. So juvenille! In fact, he is half black and half white. Who cares if he is polka-dotted? This presidency goes way beyond race anymore! He, in fact, is leading this country down the wrong path, and it is our duty to call him out when he says and does dumb things.

    Not supporting Israel is certainly one of many of them!

  • byu rugby Crystal Lake, IL
    May 23, 2011 10:35 a.m.

    His speach was a complete and utter slap in the face of the only friendly ally in the middle east. No, Isreal is not perfect but, neither are we. Our president has proven that he is an arab/muslem at heart. We need to eject this administration as fast as we can!

  • Penguin Inc. Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 23, 2011 10:25 a.m.

    TOO:

    Thanks for your point of view. Straight outta Sanpete. You gotta love it.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    May 23, 2011 10:24 a.m.

    Of course the speech was perfect. This is Barry Huessein Obama that can't do anything wrong in the medias eyes. Look past all of his flaws, failures, mis-steps, finger pointing, biases....he's really not that bad of a guy. He just happens to be very generous with other peoples money and to businesses that cater to him. But this is different from what we're used to.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    May 23, 2011 10:22 a.m.

    To those of you who also think that Obama is on the right track. Lets take a look at what at the people in that part of the world that Obama supports:

    In Egypt we read "12 dead in Egypt as Christians and Muslims clash" in the Washington Post. They outline how some ultraconservative Muslims are attacking Christians, without fear.

    The Muslim Brotherhood has significant influence in Egypt and is pushing for Sharia Law. See "Egypt Women Clash Over Sharia Law After Tahrir Shows Equality" at Bloomberg. Sharia law is not freedom promoting. The Egyptians as a whole had more freedom under Mubarak.

    In Lybia, those courageous rebels that Obama supported are also tied to Al Qaeda. In the UK Telegraph we read "Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links" where we find out that the rebels were recruiting people with very strong ties to terrorists.

    Obama supports the Tunsinian protestors, who are backed by Hezbollah. See "Hezbollah Supportive of Egyptian, Tunisian Uprisings But Not Syria's" available through various sources.

    It seems like everywhere you turn Obama is supporting terrorists.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    May 23, 2011 10:20 a.m.

    re: Irony Guy | 10:00 a.m. May 23, 2011

    The United States "stole" land from Mexico and from the native Americans. Are you ready to give it back? Bountiful is part of the land taken from Mexico. If it's good for Israel, it's good for you. Better pack up and be ready to move out.

    The Alsace region of France has been passed between France and Germany depending on the century and the winner of the last war. Are you going to give it to Germany or to France?

    Check your maps and your history. How much of the world needs to be re-aligned if we apply Mr. Obama's "doctrine" to every nation on earth?

    If he is somehow expected to supplant our Constitution with International Law, then he had better call in the tribal leaders and start discussions on how they want to repossess most of the lands of the United States.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    May 23, 2011 10:13 a.m.

    Only from the Obama controlled media could such an editorial be written. This president apologizes for the US every where he goes. Does a speech in Egypt for the muslims and now throws Israel under the bus! Why would he have to go out and explain his speech if it was perfect? Why is he now saying that his comments were misunderstood if the speech was so 'perfect'? Just as Allen West said, "I just can't stand this guy".

  • Dixie Dan Saint George, UT
    May 23, 2011 10:11 a.m.

    Republicans just can not accept a black, liberal Democrat. If Obama was white, conservative Republican, he would be perfect for this party. Pity that the GOP just can not seem to get what they want.

  • Uncle Rico Sandy, UT
    May 23, 2011 10:08 a.m.

    Iron Guy:

    The six day war was started by Syria, not Israel. Syria declared they would wipe them off the map. Syria lost that war, a war they started. Do your homework next time. Good Grief dude!

  • Uncle Rico Sandy, UT
    May 23, 2011 10:03 a.m.

    Obama got elected because he gives good speeches, that's it. No experience, no relationships in Washington when he got elected. That's why after declaring change, he put all the old politicians back in office; Clinton, etc...

    Same stuff, different day. USA needs a change, we need a leader who won't kiss butt of the Mid-Eastern region, who understands business.

  • Richard Saunders Provo, UT
    May 23, 2011 10:02 a.m.

    @Turtle"the very ability to take on Osama Bin Laden was enabled because of the interrogation techniques that were used by the previous administration that this administration will now allow - guess who is taking credit for it... "

    Please provide evidence of this. As I understand it, the info that led to the death of Bin Laden came from his courier, not those who were tortured. Call it 'enhanced interrogation' if it softens the blow to your conscience

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    May 23, 2011 10:00 a.m.

    The hypocrisy of the anti-Obama camp here just beggars the imagination. With one side of the mouth they scream about complying with the law and Constitution, but from the other side they attack Obama for upholding the rule of international law. The Israelis STOLE land that didn't belong to them in 1967. This is called robbery by violence and is an unquestioned historical fact. But then conservatives attack Obama for upholding the rule of law. So which is it? Do you "conservatives" believe in the rule of law or do you just hate Obama regardless of what he says or does?

  • Richard Saunders Provo, UT
    May 23, 2011 9:58 a.m.

    "A one-size-fits-all approach to protests and uprisings is most unwise."

    One-size-fits-all? Is that sort of like having principles? So, let me get this straight. If you are in Iraq or Afghanistan, we will use force to promote regime change, but only after supporting Sadaam Hussein and the Taliban at one time or another. If you are in Libya, we will help you with cruise missles but no ground troops. If you are in Egypt we will give the military a billion dollars a year even while it supported Mubarak. If you are in Syria, we support you, sorry about all the people killed. If you are in Cote D'ivoire, sorry, good luck. What would be so 'unwise' about a consistent and clear position from the United States? How about we don't meddle in the internal affairs of a sovereign country, period?

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 23, 2011 9:55 a.m.

    Obama gives lots of speeches. Perhaps some of them are even "perfect speeches."

    However, Obama's actions are alarmingly frequently totally misaligned with the beautiful words in his mellifluous speeches.

    Looking at Obama's action, not just the speeches, it is clear that he has been systematically alienating all of our traditional allies, and coddling (if not actually aiding) our real and perceived enemies.

    Israel had best take whatever actions are in their own self interest, and not depend on promises, pleas, plans or projections made by Obama.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    May 23, 2011 9:43 a.m.

    Thank you Mr. Paredes for your insightful and balanced piece. How refreshing it is to read a well written article that goes beyond partisan politics to recognize the very positive accomplishments by our President. We must continue to acknowledge the productive outcomes by leaders from all polical parties in part to promote civility and team work. We don't need more division is this great country we need more cooperation, compromise and mutual appreciation. How sad that some folks can't recognize good accomplishments by someone outside of their own political persuasion. Such narrow mindedness will only perpetuate diviseiveness and stalemate in our republic.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    May 23, 2011 9:25 a.m.

    Mr. Obama has again shown the world that being elected to office does not include the knowledge of this world or of the people who live here. He has offended our nation with his arrogance, with his interference in the affairs of other countries, with his total ignorance of or respect for the Jews. Israel is a sovereign nation. That are capable of governing themselves without his nose stuck into their business. He, a college professor, has not done his homework on foreign affairs. He thinks that because he sits in the Oval Office that he is somehow qualified to pass judgment on the people of another nation.

    Every time he makes a speech he shows his ignorance of the subject, of his office as OUR President, of the duties of that office, and, most regrettably, of the people to whom he speaks.

    Did he have the "duty" to tell Israel to give their land to the people who have tried to destroy them since 1948? Has Mr. Obama any idea that the Palestinians want to annihilate every Jew? Does he care? Apparently not. He wants to "change" things without knowing what the problem is.

  • taksavillage Bethlehem, Pa
    May 23, 2011 9:16 a.m.

    The last paragraphs have me re-thinking my previous quote.

  • taksavillage Bethlehem, Pa
    May 23, 2011 9:10 a.m.

    I would bet that this commentary is generated by a paid political staffer affiliated with one of the Soros sponsored groups. It flies in the face of what I hear from anyone that I have talked to or heard from who did not hide behind a blogsite anonymously.

  • jd11 Syracuse, UT
    May 23, 2011 9:06 a.m.

    We are funding the world bank and IMF both of which are corrupt vehicles for the redistribution to Americas wealth to third world dictators. All funding should be cut off immediately.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    May 23, 2011 8:58 a.m.

    Great Speech? Oh My!

    Iran's finger prints are all over the uprising in Egypt and many other places in the region experiencing unrest including Yemen. If Iran and her surrogates control Egypt and Yemen, they control the narrow passages through which all shipments of oil from the Red Sea must pass. Same goes for the Persian Gulf. With Iran about to take control of OPEC, this does not bode well.

    One cannot support what is happening in Egypt and denounce violence against Coptic Christians if it is understood what the Muslim Brotherhood is. We will see increasing violence, if not genocide against the Coptic people.

    Obama's comments on Israel were based in pure ignorance.
    Obama has no love of Israel and clearly favors her Islamic enemies. He must walk a fine line or risk a huge backlash from the American people and American Jews.

    Obama has never delivered a great speech. He is gifted at reading from a teleprompter.

  • Ray in St.Petersburg Saint Petersburg, FL
    May 23, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    It is such a joy to read objective opinion and well thought-out content. Thank you Mark Paredes and Deseret News.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 23, 2011 8:43 a.m.

    Obama has already started backpedaling on his comment about Israel's 1967 borders. Who is he, and who is America to think we can dictate the return of land taken during a war. Perhaps China should give back land it took from Japan and Russia took from Finland in WWII.

  • Turtle Owasso, OK
    May 23, 2011 8:36 a.m.

    Speech was most perfect?

    Are you kidding? Your editorial ends with the following quote:

    I guess there would be six million fewer Jews in the region.

    Is this what you think should happen to the Jews? This president is most irresponsible for making a suggestion that would subject Israel to direct attack as if they are not already having problems from the PLO, Hamas and others who hate them. If you have any appreciation for the Old Testament you will see that things are unfolding just like they were prophecied to happen - everyone would turn against Israel. I guess Obama wants to be the one who wants to aid in fulfilling prophecy against the Lord's chosen people. It appears you want to as well.

    BTW, the very ability to take on Osama Bin Laden was enabled because of the interrogation techniques that were used by the previous administration that this administration will now allow - guess who is taking credit for it...

  • Most Truthful and Patriotic Layton, UT
    May 23, 2011 8:35 a.m.

    Dear TOO: Perhaps you should have listened to the speech, rather than the regurgitated reactions from the typical opponents?

  • TOO Sanpete, UT
    May 23, 2011 8:19 a.m.

    Oh yes, it was a great speech indeed. Besides the fact that Obama has completely destroyed and slapped all of our allies in the face, I think he's done well. He basically told Israel to put themselves in another holocaust and erase the borders so the Palestines and Muslims could come get them. Way to offend our one and only friend there Obama.