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Published: Thursday, May 19 2011 5:00 a.m. MDT

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patjan
Flower Mound, TX

Way to go Orson Scott Card. You hit it right on. Standing as a witness in all places is the central theme in Young Womens and Relief Society. A true disciple is a disciple all of the time. Not when it is convenient. He is devoted to the Lord regardless of the cost. Thank you.

skeptic
Phoenix, AZ

It seems Mr. Card is a good man who would prefer to hear what he wants to hear rather than listen to the truth of what another good man honestly states. Pehaps Mr. Card dosen't fully understand the Mormon teahing of free agency and honesty and the equal access to God's (if He is) enlightment.

yarrlydarb
Ogden, UT

Absolutely beautifully put! I admire and respect what you say and am 100% supportive of your personal stand. Without integrity, man is nothing for he cannot be trusted when he speaks.

In my opinion, one statement you made points most clearly to your personal integrity. You said, "I'm a Democrat myself, so I won't be voting in the Republican primaries."

It's no secret that a large majority of Church members support the Republican party, so, for a devout member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to state in open forum that he supports "the other party" when addressing his words mostly to Mormons, tells me that he is indeed a person of character and merits admiration.

Thank you again for putting into words what I believe is the essence of integrity.

donn
layton, UT

Romney a man of solid convictions, who does not temper his core beliefs according to the prevailing political winds?
Flip Flop: #1. Abortion: In October 2002, campaigning for governorship of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney said he would preserve and protect a womans right to choose. He now describes himself as opposing abortion.

The right to life is grounded in morality and there can be no middle-ground especially for Christians. For you created my inmost being you knit me together in my mothers womb, praise you because I am fearfully and wonderful made, your works are wonderful I know that full well.(Psalm 139:13,14)

Full-on double rainbow
Bluffdale, UT

Why is it only ok to be "hot or cold, yes or no, in or out, up or down?" Heaven forbid that anyone is ambivalent about such an important topic as religion or anything for that matter. We already know the Lords feelings about people who are lukewarm. It is nice that Mr. Card thinks its ok to lose faith because in my experience most Mormons think that losing faith is the worst/dumbest thing you could ever do. So its ok to lose faith but dont be hostile to the church. What does it mean to be hostile to the church? Some of the church's own history seems hostile to developing/maintaining faith. Is talking about percieved problems with the church/BOM etc being "hostile" to the church?

I would like to say that I am a fan of Mr. Cards fiction.

Tulip
West Jordan, UT

Very well articulated Orson, especially after reading all the kudos Jon Huntsman has been receiving for his very offbeat answer.

gnrl39
South Jordan, UT

Thank you Brother Card, You put in words what I have been thinking over the past few days but couldn't articulate like you did.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

What if, just what if, your convictions are WRONG?

What then?

Greg Rockwell
Draper, UT

Thankfully, Mr. Card, you don't get to define what it MEANS to be MORMON. And for many people, what it means to be Mormon has to do with culture, family, heritage, etc. while (shockingly) having very little to do with literal belief that the Church is God's one true organization on the Earth. Mr. Card, you ought to be an intelligent enough person to realize that trying to create a simplistic pigeonhole for how people define their complex relationships to complex organizations is not effective, helpful, or accurate. My (politically insignificant) relationship to Mormonism is complex and nuanced (and sometimes difficult); I would like to extend the same privilege to Mr. Huntsman.

wer
South Jordan, UT

Excellent!

yarrlydarb
Ogden, UT

To Mr. Greg Rockwell:

Say, ... what?

Saganist
West Jordan, UT

Greg is saying that yes, there is such a thing as a cultural Mormon. Orson Scott Card is welcome to his opinion, but he does not get to decide how others define their relationship to Mormonism.

McFarland
Clovis, Ca

I loved this article. I wholeheartedly agree. There was another article published yesterday about Huntsmans response which argued in support of Mr. Huntsman. I would love for the author of that article to read this one and see how she feels then about her article and position on this matter. I for one feel that the scriptures show us the way to act in this respect and that it is very clear on the subject as Brother Card illustrated. Thank you Brother Card... I have always loved your books and articles on Desert News... I think they should put this one on the home page as they did the one from yesterday by the girl from Provo.

Idaho Coug
Meridian, Idaho

I truly appreciate and respect Mr. Card's testimony and his courage to stand behind it at all times and in all places.

What I do not understand, however, is the seeming inability for some members to respect that many other members are simply unsure, have doubts, and are in the process of working through what they believe. There appears to be a real line being drawn in the sand. Either you are with us - with no questions, doubts or uncertainities whatsoever - or you are not.

Mr. Card and others speak of the courage it takes to take a firm, open, unequivical stand for the church. And I truly respect those who do. But, Mr. Card, people no longer ride into camp with a gun to our heads. The reality today is that it takes more courage for a lifelong member to admit doubt and uncertainty in our LDS culture.

I suggest that it is actually easier for a Mormon to proclaim absolute belief even if he or she harbors real doubts than it is to acknowledge the real doubts and uncertainties. Perhaps Mr. Huntsman is the one who has shown real courage and honesty.

ajperky
Riverton, Utah

Well said, Orson. Are you sure you don't want to run for President?

I really like what you said about Romney, "a man of solid convictions, who does not temper his core beliefs according to the prevailing political winds (though he does change his mind about specific political issues, as all of us should, whenever we learn better)."

Romney has not "flip flopped" on abortion. He has always been pro-life personally. No one can say he has flopped back to being pro-abortion (I hate the term pro-choice, because the choice was to put themselves in a position to become pregnant). Romney is the right man to get things done in Washington. He knows how to work with all to get positive results. Let's not let a cliche like "flip flop" keep him from getting the job done.

yarrlydarb
Ogden, UT

Say ... what? to you too, Saganist.

How is it that you and Mr. Rockwell get to make such definitions, but Mr. Card does not?

Neither of you make any sense ... if I may be allowed my opinion.

Or am I, too, disallowed my decisions and opinions?

Such silliness.

Jeff
Temple City, CA

@ Idaho Coug: I would like to suggest respectfully that, while in Utah and Southern Idaho it may take a certain amount of courage to admit that one has doubts about the Church, in other parts of the world the opposite is true, and that is what Card is suggesting. In California, now (for example), there are a great many personal costs that can come from openly declaring allegiance to the Church. Those who were threatened, who lost their jobs, and who had their homes and meetinghouses vandalized after Prop 8 can attest to that.

More than once, in other parts of the world, contemporary members of the Church have been threatened with violence because of their Church membership. Missionaries who keep that information from their mothers would likely be willing to tell you if you asked them.

Card does not live in the Rocky Mountains, so he has the broader picture that comes from being from somewhere else. He likely knows from personal observation that, outside "Zion," there are few "cultural Mormons" because there is little cultural expectation for them to pretend to membership.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

I knew someone whose Evangelical Christian high school removed the works of Orson Scott Card from the library on learning they would have Mormon students and deciding to purge any added Mormon influences from their campus.

Idaho Coug
Meridian, Idaho

You make a good point Jeff. The ramifications for declaring your absolute belief or doubts can be different depending upon your location and circumstances.

I do think there needs to be more understanding and acceptance for those with honest doubts. It can be a very difficult experience for a member within an active LDS family and particularly for one living in the Phoenix to S. Idaho area. It really can be easier to say you believe and put on the happy face. The ramifications for doing otherwise can have both personal and professional ramifications and that should not be the case. Just as those who profess their absolute belief should be able to do so without any negative ramifications.

sgerbil
Bella Vista, AR

If Huntsman is not sure about his spirituality then perhaps his time would be better spent soul searching then running for president. He needs to figure himself out before he tries to figure this complex country out.

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