Shaybo: I'm pretty much OK with your thoughts, I was pushing for Kanter the last
few days, because I didn't think we could get Williams and I also wasn't sure
Williams could play the 3, I've changed my mind somewhat, Kanter didn't show for
interviews with the Jazz, Bucks & Toronto, I don't like that, unless there
is some good explanation, I think that is pretty classless. Williams wants to
play the 3 from what I've heard and I think he has the quickness and speed to be
able to do so. He will need to get used to playing on the perimeter but that
shouldn't be that hard to adjust to.I'm not a big Knight or Walker fan,
I'd like to learn more about Singleton, I'd love to see Bismark fall to 12 and
have us pick him. Leonard would be OK but not at the 3 spot.Last yr I was
certain we needed a PF, which we did need until the trade with Minn. and when we
took Hayward I was initially bummed but later came to really like him.
I have read dozens of comments since the Jazz moved up to #3 and not
"1" of you have even mentioned other options the Jazz have with these
two lottery picks. With rookies like Hayward, Favors, Evans and possibly the
retention of Fess adding 2 more rookies to this team would definetly be too much
youth on one team unless you want to wait for 3 years for returns. All of the
players mentioned above are going to get playing time and I don't believe Corbin
can find PT for everyone with Milsap, Jefferson, Harris, and Miles if they opt
for his option and 2 more rooks on board. I believe O'Connor will shop the teams
and possibly trade for experience or a future lottery pick or and money. I would
because quite frankly this draft class is not as talented as others in previous
years. Why just blow your windfall the same year you recieve it? Save, or invest
wisely is my choice.
Doesn't sound like Kanter wants to come to Utah. I think Williams would be a
better fit in Utah anyway, and could produce sooner.
The Kanter camp just blew off the Jazz for an interview, I don't think he'll
come in for a workout. I really hope Kanter has an amazing workout at Minnesota
so they pass on Williams. I wonder if Cle or Minn has any interest
in Tomic, both teams need a center, if they do I think the Jazz should use him
to move up and get Williams.
CaptainL, Morris surprised me with his quickness and with his length I think he
could close the perimeter and get a hand in the shooter's face. If they take
Kanter they definitely need an outside shooter and I think he would be a good
choice if Jimmer's not there at #12. If they end up with Williams and Jimmer is
gone then you could go with a defensive player like Singleton or maybe even look
to the future and go with Nogueira or Biyumbo.
Shaybo: I agree, Morris looked pretty good, my question is can he play D
against NBA 3's, if he can he would be a good choice if you can get him at 12,
but I think I might take Jimmer at 12 if he's there. Singleton is another player
I like, because of his athleticism and his defense, again I'd take Kanter at 3,
and Jimmer at 12, unless there not available then Morris and Singleton would be
@ Winglish,You might be right that Jimmer shouldn't shine too much
at the combine so that the Jazz can draft him at 12th. They'd really like to get
some SF/PF/C help, and that might only come at the 3rd pick, if trades aren't
possible.No need to waste one of the lottery picks, but I hope the
Jazz don't miss out on him.If the Jazz don't get Jimmer, I'll
certainly look into paying for the NBA package so I can see all of his games on
the team that does get him.I'm usually averse to paying too much for
such things, but this is The Jimmer! I need my fix!
It is unbelievable to me that a point guard that can neither go left or finish
is the answer for the Jazz at the #3 pick, he would be a backup to Harris at
best. It also tells me something that he and Walker refused to compete in the
combine. I would go with Jimmer over either of them any day.3
players impressed me big time from watching the combine, they were Kanter,
Morris and Singleton in that order. After watching I have done a 180 on Kanter,
I now feel he is worth taking a chance on his knee holding up, he's an
animal.At 6'6" and 7'2" wingspan and the ability to light
it up from the outside and I think play some perimeter defense, Morris would be
a great fit for the Jazz at 2 & 3 positions and with a respectable offensive
game and the ability to guard 4 positions Singleton is very impressive. If Minnesota takes Williams the Jazz can't pass on Kanter.
@ kylejeffreys,Sorry 'bout that mix-up on where Harris was an
all-star. Sometimes us old fogies get the little details a-goof.And,
STATS lie when you don't know the underpinnings behind them. So your stats on
why Jimmer wasn't that good his senior year versus the rest of the NCAA don't
hold water.@ Captain L,I'd agree with you on Kanter at 3
and Jimmer at 12, but ONLY if one could be sure Jimmer wouldn't go higher than
12.If you posters are old enough to remember when Stockton was
drafted, you'll remember fans weren't too happy with that pick. He wasn't that
highly touted. Couldn't shoot the 3.Driven people succeed. Stockton
was driven, so is Jimmer. And Jimmer can already shoot the 3.If the
Jazz pick any PG ahead of Jimmer, they'll be making a major mistake. None of the
others are better than Harris, who's already experienced.
Jimmer practically walked through the drills at the combine today. My guess is
that he's been promised by a team in the top 10 and has been told to shut it
down. He still shot the 3-ball better than any other guard there, of course. I
wouldn't hold my breath for Jimmer to show everything he's got at the timed
tests tomorrow. Derrick Williams shot 56% from 3 point land last
year. If the T-Wolves do take Kanter, Williams might be exactly what the Jazz
need at the small forward position.
I really don't care about the Jazz anymore, but I love college hoops. When I saw
the mock draft and they had Dukes Irving as number one I was in shock. The guy
only played 11 games! Whoever picks him is crazy.As for all the Jimmer
boosters...If Jimmer is not picked in the first round it is no way a bad
reflection on BYU or its fans! Perhaps Jimmer fans should try thinging of him as
an independant now!
Continued...4) A real Center. I would put this higher on the list
but I don't think the Jazz can solve this in the draft or through free agency.
Jefferson will have to do, but I would prefer Favors guarding whoever is the
tougher low post matchup on a game by game basis.And by the way,
Kyle Weaver not being on the team will not ever come back to haunt the Jazz. I
root for him to stick on a roster next year, but I don't see it happening.
Maynor would be a decent 10-15 minute backup for us, just like he is in OKC.
It's been done for a while, I thought we already moved on. We've got
many needs, here is how I would rank them:1) A starter at 3. Millsap
will be good off the bench backing up the 3 and 4 but he shouldn't be the
starter there. Neither should Miles (if he comes back), he should be the primary
backup for for Hayward. Williams, Leonard and Singleton come to mind.2) Shooting. Miles is streaky and Hayward is improving but they need more than
that. I like Jimmer at 12 for that reason, not because I think he'll do what he
did at BYU and become a star, but because he fills a serious need and could be a
great role player.3) A back up PG. Watson was decent but we need a
PG who is also a threat to shoot outside of 15 ft. I don't think Jimmer is the
complete answer for the backup PG either. We could use a vet and Jimmer as a
Jason Terry combo type.
Hey all of you PG lovers, have you forgot about a kid that played pretty darn
good in the short time he was with the Jazz last season, and his name is Kyle
Weaver. What about him? Doesn't he deserve some consideration and or an invite
to preseason camp? I believe he led us in scoring one night right? Forget about
these freshman and small guards they just don't cut it in this league.
I am presently watching tonights game between Okla City & Dallas. I have
watched all of the playoff games and one thing I am sure of again tonight is
who's idea was it to dump Maynor? This guy just gets the job done the right way
for a backup PG, no flair, nothing spectacular just good solid playing. I wish
he was still wearing a Jazz uniform and we wouldn't be talking about any issues
at the point. Part of the coaching staff that just "quit" treated him
like too many other rooks they have had over the years and that is a solid
reason why to many years in one place like other professions (politicans anyone)
is not a healthy situation for the most part. Oh well it's done and over with so
lets move on.
Lol. You don't want a guard because he wasn't top 100 in fg%. Go look up that
list and I will guarantee you that not one pg is on that list that shot over 50
shots. Guys who are in the top 100 are guys who play close to the rim, not
At this point, I would take Kanter at 3 and Jimmer at 12, Kanter is big, tough,
a good rebounder (somthing we need) and he has all the moves down low plus he
can shoot the outside shot, range out to the 3 pt line. Watched him today at the
combine, he's bigger, muscle wise than I thought. If the Jazz take Knight
at the 3 spot, then we need Leonard, THarris, or Singleton at the 12 spot.
Another player I would take at the 12 spot if he is available is Bismark
Biyombo, his length and defense and potential definitely worth taking.The
problem with Knight is he's a bit of a combo guard and they said today while
watching the combine that his college coach (Patino), says he doesn't go left
very well. He's a good jump shot shooter but not a high flyer that absorbs
contact around the rim like a Rose or Wall and doesn't finish that well around
Trade Harris for a SF...grab Knight at 3...and grab the best possible player at
12...i looked at some videos of lucas noguiera...when he swats the ball...he
really swats it...he has very basic offensive skills...and i think he'll get
bullied in the paint by the likes of dwight howard...
I hope the Jazz get Jimmer. He's already a college Legend and could be one in
the pros and it would be nice to see it happen with the Jazz. Jimmer is so good
his name is already a verb. (You've been Jimmered.) I can't think of another
college legend or NBA player whose name is a verb, can you? You got Jordan'd?
You got Cobey'd? You got Larry'd? You got Magic'd. Doesn't seem to work for
me. Maybe someday Jimmer will be officially in the dictionary?
One of the Jazz's two biggest needs is outside shooting to keep teams from
packing the paint. Good outside shooting spreads the defense and opens up the
middle for the bigs. The second urgent need is perimeter defense to stop
teams from killing us from the 3 pt. line. Our biggest position need is
small forward and we need a couple of those unless Milsap can convert.
Point guard is another big concern because Harris doesn't seem to be a
distributor or create for his team mates. These weaknesses can not all be
corrected in this draft. With that in mind I like Williams (if he slides) or
Knight with the third pick. If we get Williams then I would take Fredette with
the second pick. He has the ability to spread the floor and he can be a good
distributor. He has a good work ethic and he is very strong so I expect his
defense to improve. I think Fredette would be a very solid pick at the #12. If
we take Knight with the 3rd pick then I'd take the best small forward available
with the # 12 pick.
Please, Jazz, do not draft Kyrie Irving. He will be just like Deron Williams.
He will bide his time here, then will bail on us. Irving is already telling the
NBA what he is going to do and what he is not going to do, aka his statement
that he is not going to do certain thins at the conbine. Doesn't sound like a
"team" player to me. Hopefully he is gone before #3.
@WhatsInItForMeDevin Harris was an All-Star reserve for New Jersey,
not Dallas (2009...22 ppg and almost 7 assists). Harris' two remaining seasons
in NJ saw a decline in points and an average increase in assists, and a huge
roster shakeup with little surrounding talent (Lopez was all he had). The only
thing you can reasonably extrapolate from Devin Harris' career with NJ is that
he is not a franchise player. He can still be an All-Star and a major
contributor on a contending team, but he is not a max-contract superstar. That said, we have a proven, lottery-picked PG who is blazing fast and
knows how to pass. There is no reason the Jazz should not back him up and give
him the shot he deserves to help the team get better. You have to give him the
opportunity to fail before writing him off completely. He never failed in NJ.
Makes no sense to replace him with a PG who didn't crack the top 100 in FG%,
assists, assist to turnover ratio, or steals in his last year in college
It now looks like the word is out on Kanter. Minnesota is making noises that
they want him over Derrick Williams. The Jazz better have a backup plan. They
have some nice pieces to a major trade. If Kanter doesn't fall, they could get
an established player just like him elsewhere with the 3 pick (which would mean
Williams) and a few other pieces of "dead wood". It looks like Jimmer
is a fan favorite and would draw lots of fans at number 12.
I just finished watching the NBA draft combine, only about 2 or 3 projected top
10 players participated, but one top player who did do all of the drills and
looked fantastic was Enes Kanter. Chad Ford commented that he had the most
impressive workout out of anyone there.Out of all the players at the
combine Kanter was the biggest, he definitely passes the eye ball test. His body
is NBA ready right now, all the other centers looked really skinny standing next
to him. He was also much more athletic than I thought he was. I'm guessing he's
going to test very well athletically tomorrow. In the 2 on 1 drill
they did Kanter looked really good offensively and had a pretty good dunk on a
guy as he was being fouled. Defensively he went for a pump fake and fouled the
guy he was guarding but he went up high for the rebound and showed some good
athleticism.Kanter looks legit and had some great dunks, if he's
still there at #3 the Jazz are going to have a hard time passing him up.
Jimmer was very crafty at the rim in college. It is a great skill. BUT in the
NBA the players are quicker, faster and much bigger. Jimmer may be able to
develop an NBA rim game. He is currently working on a floater mainly because the
his shots that worked in college will not work in the NBA. Besides
his Bball brains, Jimmers second major strength is his relentless adaptability.
He will find a way to succeed. He will be good enough eventually at D and also
adapt his offense to contribute. The big question is whether he is
better than anyone else (for the Jazz) available at 12. I think
Jimmer is worth the risk. He probably is better suited to teams with other
styles of play. On the other hand, who else is available at 12 that would really
help the Jazz?
How is jimmer not what the jazz need? Did anyone see Raja Bell last season, I
cringed every time he took a shot. Teams left people open outside because they
knew the shot would be missed. If jimmer is still available at 12 it would be
stupid not to take him.
I don't care what school Jimmer went to, his resume is exactly what this Jazz
team needs. If the Jazz have a chance to pick up Jimmer, they should do it.Imagine if Jimmer went to Duke, NC, Syracuse, he would go number one
over all, no question, but coming from BYU, he loses credibility because of the
weak conference and weak teams he played against, but that does not mean he is
not the best PG in the draft.Irving only played 11 games, and missed
out on the majority of the season b/c of turf toe...seriously, turf toe! sounds
familiar right? why gamble on him? Jimmer did not have other solid
players around him to take attention away from him, he was always being double
teamed, unlike,Irving, Walker, Knight, those guys had other players on their
teams to help defer the attention.The way this roster is now,
reminds me of how our roster was before we traded Girececk for Korver. Korver's
shooting was an immediate upgrade and welcomed site, he help stretch the floor
and it allowed our bigs to go to work down low.Take the best shooter
Anyone:How does being among the career STEALS leaders at BYU equate
to being a bad defender? Duh.Bugoff:Jimmer IS strong at
the rim. I was constantly amazed at how he was able to finish in all kinds of
fashions, including falling down, being knocked down, over or under tall
players, etc. And he made many of those shots because he concentrates on doing
so, not just letting go and hoping like so many NBA players do (watch the
current playoffs!).Knight and Irving have yet to prove that they're
unstoppable AND can lead a team. Jimmer can do both. His APPARENT inability to
lead a team had a lot to do with who his teammates were and how Coach Rose used
him.I also don't think Jimmer will take all that long to develop.
He's a quick study.Another thought:Kemba's too slight to
fare well as a PG in the NBA. The Jazz already have a slasher like him in
Here is the latest mock, Jimmer to Dallas because they play a zone....lol Kanter is a very skilled big man. The question other than his knees is
how athletic is he? which will come out in testing. Here is the
problem with this this years draft:1. Are any of the point guards
better than or will be better than Harris? That is questionable. None of the
point guards will start over Harris currently. Can Knight play some 2 guard?2. Kanter-can you say AL Jefferson? Is Kanter good enough to take
Jefferson's position? not this year. Next?? 3. Williams makes some
sense if he is there, I think he is more explosive than Paul. Is he a 3 or a 4?
If he is a 4, we already have a small PF. 4. If the Jazz go point or
center, then someone needs to be traded away eventually. It would have been nice
to have Barnes or Jones from Baylor as an option. The Jazz need to
explore their options outside of the draft.......
Kanter will not be useful, he is going to be dead space, we need not resign CJ
or AK and trade Bell and possibly Harris and Okur because Okur will never be the
The other decision that was not talked about is FA verses draft. It may be
better for the Jazz to access and get known FAs at SF. They are good at
evaluating existing talent and bad at the draft. They need a real SF
and if AK goes it is an immediate need. Both Hayward and CJ are better at the SG
position. They can back up the SF but the Jazz need a legitimate SF who can
shoot and defend.Sloan played a lot of mismatches. The Jazz need to
get the ideal (for the flex) starters for each position. AND they need a strong
bench. Go look at the WP48 scores for the MAVS and the BULLS. Everyone
contributes to winning. Further, they are more of a team and not dependent on
one players. Dirk and Rose get a lot of points but are not as great on WP48 as
most assume. It takes a well designed team.
IF the Jazz go big at 3 I have no problem with Jimmer at 12. Jimmer
is a shooter. He will improve his passing and develop his defense. I am assuming
his speed time will be equal to DWill's and his agility test is better than CP3.
Go look up Paul's agility test. Jimmer's strength is his Bball IQ, his
understanding of how to attack a defense. Great PGs have that. They can be
average on D, penetration and even shooting as long as they have the brains. Jimmer will take 2 years to develop. So will Knight. If you want to
return to DWill,s skill set take Knight or Jimmer. If you want to keep Harris's
style, save his salary and trade him for an SF then draft Kemba.If
the Jazz go Knight or Kemba then they look at shooters and bigs at 12. Burks absolutely does not fit the Jazz. He is Brewer without the D. Leonard could be very good at SF IF he can improve his shooting. Morris from
Kansas has to be looked at. Jimmer is still a shooter. Hamilton needs a look.
Thompson is Korver2.
If the Jazz go Knight or Kemba at 3 they are not likely to go Jimmer at 12. I
personally do not think the Harris/Kemba style of PG is best suited to the Jazz
offense. The inefficiency is a problem. The lack of ability to open up the
inside is another problem. However, the biggest problem is that you do not want
the PG to be the focal point of the Jazz offense. The PG in the flex has to get
the ball to the bigs inside in the right spot at the right time. You CAN'T trade
the efficiency of the bigs inside for the inefficiency of the poor shooting PG.
Players in the past have not liked playing with Harris because HE is
the focal point. His assists have to increase a lot. Watson runs the team well.
If he could shoot he would be even more effective. That leaves the
Jazz with Knight and Jimmer. Knight is young and unproven but if you look at his
film he can penetrate just as well or better than Harris or Kemba and he is
bigger. He also can defend well and shoots wells with range.
The Jimmer Show made me a college basketball fan again. If the Jazz draft him
and it doesnt work out, well, its not like ANY player taken in this years draft
at 12 is a sure thing. The only problem is, most ute fans will be critical of
him no matter how well he does, no matter what team he plays for.No
one knows how he would fit in with the Jazz. Not even you, Papa Smurf aka
Nostradamus. BYU/Jazz fans would love to see them try. Ute/Jazz fans just cant
stomach having one of the best players in BYU history on 'their' team. Its ok,
he wont be dropping 47 on your utes ever again.Its possible that
Jimmer could help the Jazz. So Papa Smurf UTE, you are wrong, true Jazz fans
want players that will help the Jazz win games. If that happens to be Jimmer and
youre still bitter, then YOU are not a true Jazz fan.
If the Jazz go small at 3 who do they pick. The first decision is PG verses SG.
There are no SGs that are even close to a 3 pick and established
players with known performance can be gotten in FA. The leave the
PGs. The first decision is crucial. The Jazz have to decide the type
of PG they want running the new Jazz. Do they want a scoring PG or a
distributing PG (Watson)? Which type will run the team best? There are 2 types
of scoring PGs. The penetrators and the shooters (DWill could do it all). Harris and Kemba are penetrators. To make matter worse they shoot a poor
percentage. They do not open the inside with outside shooting. They become the
focal point of the offense by driving in. Sometimes they dish but the bigs focus
more on rebounding, a Jazz weakness. DWill could shoot and also
penetrate but he tended to be more of a distributive shooter. Jimmer fits the
mold better but he is not that strong at the rim. Knight and Irving can
penetrate, shoot and distribute which is why most people are high on them. They
are very young (risky).
The 3rd pick represents a cross roads for the Jazz. They have to decide:1. Which position to draft2. Which existing player is going
to be replaced in the next year or two3. The best trade off between
improving on court performance and reducing salaryIf the Jazz can
get Williams, they will need to decide if he can play the SF or he will replace
Millsap. Williams is not longer nor better than Millsap at PF. He is basically
Scola with range. I like the range. The Jazz need an SF. He COULD be a killer SF
OR too slow as he struggles to defend on the perimeter and is not that great on
creating his own shot. His first step is average for PFs.If Kantor
will not work out he will drop. That raises too many questions. Drafting Koufos
without workouts was a mistake. Is there another big out there who
is a major improvement over AJ/Millsap or one who could play SF well?
Valanciunas deserves a work out. So does Vesley. What the Jazz do
with the 3 determines what they do with the 12. If no big at 3?
2 trade scenarios: 1) AJ & # 3 to bucks for A. Borgut & their #10. We
get an upgrade at center & still could get a pg/sg at 10..2) AJ for Paul
Pierce & their 25th pick or avery bradley..PP still has 3 good yrs. left
& could mentor the Jazzes 2's & 3's; also we might be able to pick norm
smith at 25 or avery and we could use PP's $ for a quality FA once his contract
Papa Smurf just said everything I wanted to say on Jimmer. I'm a long time BYU
fan and I loved watching Jimmer's college game, but he's not what the Jazz need.
Um Freddett did alone carry his team to the sweet 16, he did a lot but he alone
didnt do it, someone needed to take the ball out of bounds for him. Everyone just settle down: people who don't like Jimmer relax and try and be
objective the kid can flat out play basketball he will do well in the league.And to the people who love the Jimmer you all need to settle down he is
not going to be the number 3 pick for the Jazz, he is a good player but you all
act like the kids only weakness is Kryptonite.Give the kid credit we
all know what he did for BYU basketball putting it back on the map, but lets be
realistic it might take a season or two for him to find his place in NBA
ball.I remember as a kid there was another BYU great that was
supposed to be the next Larry Bird, and everyone was disappointed and suprised
at how Michael Smiths basketball career turned out.
Chickenhunter,We have seen Jimmer play, and real Jazz fans do not
really want him. Not even for the 12th pick. Yes, he can shoot, and can shoot
lights out some nights. Some nights he has to take 30 shots to get 30 points.
All of this was done against crappy MWC teams, with no NBA talent at all
guarding him. He also could not guard lower level college talent. If he was in
the right situation on a team that played good D, a team like Boston or
something, or a team where they had a good low post scoring big man, they could
kick it out for him to shoot. Only the Byu fans, that are also Jazz fans want to
see Jimmer drafted to the Jazz. Even the real Jazz fans that also cheer for Byu
are very skeptical about drafting a slow PG, who cannot guard his own shadow. If
the Jazz draft Jimmer, half of the fans will jump for joy, and the other half
So, CougarBlue, you say that Fredette's team mates, none of whom are even being
sniffed by the NBA, are as good as defenders as they are. Brilliant. Sounds like
just what the Jazz need. Not.If the Jazz take Fredette, I pray it's
because they genuinely think he's the best player at 12, not for some stunt to
sell a few jerseys.I can't imagine he's the 12th best NBA prospect
in the whole world today, but if he is, so be it. We should take the best player
at that spot.
Re MGB:Defensive stats are often misleading, it's hard to quantify
defensive effort, and great defenders make horrible defenders look decent
statistically. Emery was a great perimeter defender and he made up for much of
Jimmer's "defense". I'm so sick of Jimmer trolls trying to convince
everyone that Jimmer was actually a good defender.The only valid
argument I've heard by Jimmer trolls is that the reason why Jimmer's
"defense" was so bad was because he wasn't asked to defend much at BYU
so he could save his energy for the offense. But the fact still remains that
while at BYU Jimmer's "defense" was horrible, atrocious,
lackadaisical, and often non existent. Go back and watch some the
games you probably recorded and just watch Jimmer play "defense"
against the other team's worst perimeter player. The fact is that Jimmer was
just so great on offense that fans just ignored his defensive deficiencies.I have a hard time believing that every single NBA scout, who makes a
living evaluating players, is wrong about labeling Jimmer as a bad defender.
If anyone would take the time to check out all the year-end stats they would see
that Jimmer's defensive stats are equal to all the other PGs in the draft. And
he did it while playing all 40 minutes, scoring 10 more points per game and
getting mugged with double and triple teams, and not much scoring support from
other team members. He alone carried his team to the Sweet 16. Who else has
done that? I am amazed at how inept people are at judgeing talent. He is the
best PG in the draft.
I would love to see either Cle or Minn take Kanter. Leaving Williams or Irving
for the Jazz. If the Jazz get Williams I think its a good idea to take Jimmer.
If the Jazz get Irving (somehow) or settle for Walker or Knight then of course
taking Jimmer is not the best move. If the Jazz take a pg with the
3rd pick, any chance Kawhi drops to 12?
Our big and real need is inside and perimeter defense. That is why Biyombo would
be my pick in the draft as one inside player that defends. He can be had by
trading down a few spots or make a deal with a team that is there now and draft
for them at #3, and us getting a player from them or a future pick. Next go get
Chris Wilcox or Jonas Jerebko who are FA's with Det and both 6'10" and
rugged give it all inside players who can be signed for moderate amounts. Next 3
wing players who are FA's that would be great are Thornton from GS 6'7",
Marcus Thornton from Sac 6'4", & Shannon Brown from the Lakers
6'3". All 3 are good shooters and can put the ball on the floor, plus
defend the perimeter. With the 12 pk again trade for exp, a future pk, or fill a
need! Be smart Jazz and don't let biases get in your way like past staffs have.
TJ- This is a rare event. I agree with you.
I was SO excited to see the Jazz move up to number three! Now they might just
get lucky enough to get Jimmer! If the Cavs and the wolves get fooled into
taking Erving and Williams, then Jimmer will fall to us! I can't tell you how
incredible this is. Even utes will come around to loving the Jimmer once they
see him play.
I have been a little bit of a critic of the Jazz drafting Fredette but I have
come around to thinking if the Jazz pick a big man with the #3 pick that Jimmer
would be a good option at 12. He is the best outside shooter in the draft(NBA
ready)and the Jazz need that badly. Those who know(draft experts and anlaysts)
say that his defense is as good as any projected first round point guard in the
draft. This is partially proven by the fact that the people he guarded in
college did not average more while playing BYU than their season averages. Their
assist to turn over average was not any better against BYU either. If Fredette
is on a solid defensive NBA team he will hold his own against most point guards.
That is as much as can be said of 75% of starting NBA point guards. He demands a
defensive adjustment the second he comes into a game. Teams have to spread their
defense to guard him. Kerr and Hodges did this in the NBA for years and neither
of them were able to drive or create even close to what Fredette can.
I heard Kanter isn't willing to play against anyone during his team workouts. If
that's the case the Jazz need to give him a pass at #3.The Jazz need
competitors not workout all stars. Nobody in the draft could benefit
more from a great team workout against stiff competition than Enes Kanter, if he
dominates, he could go #1. This decision tells me one of 2 things: he and his
agent are trying to hide serious flaws in his game and or health, or he's not a
competitor, he's just in it for the paycheck.If I'm the Jazz and
Kanter refuses to compete I'm thinking he's the next Darko. A guy
who hasn't played competitive basketball in 2 years and refuses to play it now
has no business going top 5 in the NBA draft.
@ myvision7 & @ one day,No way Knight is better than Jimmer or
CJ better than Hayward in those spots.Otherwise, we're similar.Harris can't run a team in a way that will make the other players
better. He proved that with Dallas, too (his all-star year). Shoot first, ask
questions later.Jimmer doesn't have to score all the time to be
happy. It's just his range that makes him a tough threat to guard, which will do
wonders for his assists in the NBA on a team with players that can score, and
the Jazz have those.Jimmer will show in the combine that he's more
athletic than given credit for.
All the Jimmer talk, the article is not about him. He will be fine in the
league WHOEVER gets him. There is an upside he enjoys many already playing do
not.Kyle Korver only knows you shoot the ball, he cannot dribble, or
pass and he makes 5 million per season, and Jimmer can dribble, pass, shoot and
he can get to the free throw line. He may not start but he will play.Seems as there is no suspense left in the Utah draft either Kanter or Williams
or if they wanted to add some suspense they could talk trading away the 3rd
pick. Kanter is not going to help the Jazz, he has the same build and make up
as Koufos who was popular when he arived but spent his playing days on the bench
(where he belonged)Williams is athletic enough to help in a year or
two. Trading for a FA big would make better sense than trying to bring along a
rookie, but that has not historically been the way of the Jazz.
I'd love to see Enes Kanter slide to number 3 but either Derrick Williams or
Kyrie Irving would be fine. I don't want to overlook Bismack Biyombo and would
consider trading down to get him. Jimmer should be available at 12 but could
slide late in the first round depending on workouts.1. Kanter2.
Kyrie Irving3. Derrick Williams4. Bismack Biyombo5. Brandon
I'm a Ute Alum, and the Jimmer crazies are starting to drive me nuts, but here
is my objective opinion on Jimmer. Best case scenario Jimmer is a
Steve Kerr type of player, a guy who can come off the bench, space the floor and
knock down 3s. In the right situation he could get 20-25 min a night and be a
great asset. Worst case scenario is that he's Adam Morrison or a
more hyped up version of Morris Almond. Morrison could light it up from outside
and and was crazy crafty around the rim in college too, but like Jimmer his
defense was as bad as his offense was great. Jimmer's shot will
translate in the NBA, but his horrid defense will translate too. Jimmer will
need to be accounted for when he's on the floor, but he will be a big liability
on the defensive end. People who are bad defenders in college will be bad
defenders in the NBA too.I hope the Jazz pass on Jimmer, but it
wouldn't be the end of the world if they pick him at 12.
There's no point putting Brandon Knight's picture on the article. The diminutive
guard will not be drafted by the Jazz. That's some ESPN analyst's dream in the
hope that the Jazz will blow their third pick so a good player will go to
someone else. The Jazz will pick either Derrick Williams or Enes Kanter. Jimmer
will likely fall to a low first round pick or early second round. The Jazz will
not pick him up either.
This Jimmer thing is getting out of control. And with him no longer being a BYU
player, the rivalry should be put aside, and fans can start looking at him as an
NBA player, not a BYU Cougar.Jimmer is a combo guard, off the bench.
He will not be a long-term starter in the NBA. Doesn't have the size or speed.
But he can be a solid contributor off the bench, spot duty starting if needed.
He can score the ball. Will it be as easy as it was in college, not by a long
shot. But he's got terrific range outside, and is crafty enough to get shots
off in the paint.A guy who can find a nitch can stick around for a
long time. A guy like Jason Terry just wasn't suited to start full-time. He's
better off the bench, taking advantage of a teams backups most of the game.
Jimmer can be that guy.And this has nothing to do with being a Ute
or Cougar. If he's there at #12, and Burks is not, the Jazz should seriously
Why does an article about top draft picks feature a picture of a late 1st
rounder? Myopic coug fans, it is not Utes that discount Jimmer's value to the
NBA, it is trained professionals whose careers depend on their judgement calls.
Fortunately I believe that KOC is too savy to succomb to the y and
DN constant PR campaign.
People that dont know much about Jimmer that didnt watch more than a couple
games and that want to throw out something negative, will always say...
"he's too much of a defensive liability". OK, people...
Jimmer is NOT a defensive "liability". Jimmer is a lot faster and has
better lateral movement than a lot of the fans of the team on the hill want to
give him credit for. Sure he got burned a few times, DWill got burned all the
time. Fact is, the NBA is catered to the offensive player. Basketball in general
is catered to the offensive player. Pretty much any top 25 pg can make another
top 25 pg look silly at any given time. Its going to happen and Jimmer is going
to be fine on D. The best shooter in the draft with killer instinct
(ute fans should know this). Whether the Jazz draft Jimmer or not,
ute fans are going to criticize his every move. I still hope we get him.
mmmmm....what about this oneC: Big Al - "New Guy" - Memo
(he is getting old and slow)PF: Favors - MillsapSF:
"New Guy" - AKSG: Hayward - EvansPG: Brandon
Knight - Watson - HarrisTRADE: CJ, Elson, Price, Fez, Bell and Okur
MYvision you are a little mypopic when it comes to Jimmer. He will guard okay.
People will be surprised at how well he can guard. He played his role well at
BYU, but fellow players say he can guard as well as any of them. You must be a
Wow, interesting Derrick Williams was not invited. heheheh
talk about dreaming...well...here's mine....Al Jeff/Memo/FesFavors/MillsapBattier(free agent)/AK47/CJHayward/Bell/CJKnight/Watson/Barea or Dragic (both free agents)Trade Devin+12th
pick for a lotto next year...so we could have to top 10 drafts on a much deeper
draft...battier would take charge developing Hayward's defense...next
year...Perry Jones or Harrison Barnes to start at the 3 or if we get lucky...a
guy named Sullinger...
Wow, that lineup sounds good enough for 4th in the division. Here is what I
would like to see:C: 1. Big Al, 2. Memo, 3. Fez or Ante Tomic
(anyone know if/when he is coming over).PF: 1. Millsap, 2. FavorsSF: 1. AK (only if we can get him back under 10M, 2. Kawhi Leonard or
Chris Singleton (whomever is available in the draft)SG: 1. CJ Miles
2. Hayward 3. Raja BellPG: 1. Devin Harris, 2. Brandon Knight, 3.
Earl Watson I am praying above all else that we do not draft Jimmer.
Would be the worst decision. Yes he can shoot but he is such a defensive
liability. The Jazz perimeter defense was so bad last year why would we draft a
perimeter player that can't play defense.
My dream Jazz team for 2011 ("dream" meaning realistic short of a
major trade):C = Big Al.He plays all facets well enough.
Can at least score against other good bigs.Memo or Fez is the
backup.Wouldn't hurt to find another, though. None worth chancing on
in the draft, at least at the 3 spot.PF = Favors.Let him
continue to grow with starter minutes.Millsap would be a sweet
backup.SF = AK for now (re-sign him!)Have Miles and/or
Millsap back him up.Maybe a decent SF is in this year's draft? Not
so sure.SG = Hayward. De facto choice after his late-year
showing.Miles could get more time backing him up. Or Bell.PG = Jimmer. Who else?Watson is still the best backup for a Jazz
PG.Harris can just be traded, maybe for a Center. Or, he can stick
around as starting PG while Jimmer gets accustomed to the NBA. Mid-season trade
in the works?Bench = The rest are bench warmers or injury
replacements, although I can see Evans getting playing time. If he could develop
an outside game, he could be the SF the Jazz need.
Would love to be in Corbin's shoes. Not so I could help to draft The Jimmer, but
because Ty will be like a kid in a candy store. What fun times are ahead for the
Jazz coach. I'm envious.Because this is a pretty weak draft, it's a
good thing the Jazz have the 3rd pick. Won't be much of long-term value left by
the 6th.The Jazz 12th pick will be equivalent to most years' second
round picks in quality. The Jazz have been lucky some of those years, so maybe
the 12th can pan out, too. The third certainly should, or they didn't do their