Duckunter,Thanks for confirming the reason I call myself Mormon Ute.
Too many BYU fans like yourself have questioned my faith, because I support my
school. I haven't said anything about the BYU administration or sports
leadership. My comments have been limited to the game officials involved in the
controversy. I have never aligned myself with any SDSU fans or their positions
on the matter. Anyone who wants to can see the truth by looking back at my
This debate is pointless. Fans of both teams calm down it is just a game. You're
acting like children. All LDS people do you need to be reminded of Uchtdorf's
talk October Priesthood session about not getting worked up over sporting
events? Guys calm down it's not important let it go!
williary"Read back through this message board. With all the
back and forth between fans, not 1 time has a BYU moment on the football field
from the 2010 season been mentioned specifically. While multiple of Utah's games
have been mentioned, by BYU fans. That's what happens when 1 program
is losing to top 5 teams, and the other is losing to Utah State. Nobody
cares."Actually, that's what happens when one team has a
sub-par year, but improves dramatically to end the season, while the other teams
starts off with a bang rising to a Top 5 ranking, and then crashes and burns the
2nd half of the season.Utah fans cared plenty when the Utes, coming
off a big home win against UCLA, crashed and burned the next week against 2-10
UNLV, 0-27.The real test of continuing relevance is how often teams
finish in the Top 25.BYU has been a perennial Top 25 team since 1977
- 17 Top 25 finishes, including 4 in the last 5 years.Utah has only
managed to finish in the AP Top 25 FIVE times in their entire history, four
times in the last decade.
williary said,"Colorado and Georgia Tech both won National
Titles decades ago didn't they? NOBODY CARES."Um, Denver market
> Salt Lake market.Atlanta market > Salt Lake market.I'd say a lot more people care about these 2 programs having won national
titles than a program that has gotten close to the mountain top, but ultimately
failed to reach the pinnacle.Btw, within the Salt Lake market...byu fans > utah fansJust sticking to the facts.
"BYU's relevance has been PROVEN at least three in the last couple of
years, when BYU signed an exclusive 8-year contract with ESPN" No what is says is that theres a fast buck to be made of lemming like lds/byu
@deductive reasoning5-21 versus ranked teams.0 BCS
appearances, let alone wins.Sorry, but having millions of members
across the country does not make you relevant. When BYU does something,
anything, of national importance on the football field, as Utah has done
recently twice, college football fans will care. Read back through
this message board. With all the back and forth between fans, not 1 time has a
BYU moment on the football field from the 2010 season been mentioned
specifically. While multiple of Utah's games have been mentioned, by BYU fans.
That's what happens when 1 program is losing to top 5 teams, and the
other is losing to Utah State. Nobody cares.Wasn't that Utah State
game on ESPN? The mother of all things football. Is it more embarrassing to
get beat up by a top 5 team, or by a below .500 WAC team, on national TV?
williary"Isn't it sad that Utah's losses last year to TCU and
Boise, both top 5 teams, are remembered more than anything BYU did on the field
last year!"So you think being humiliated by TCU, Notre Dame and
BSU on national television makes Utah MORE relevent?Delusional U.BYU's relevance has been PROVEN at least three in the last couple of
years, when BYU signed an exclusive 8-year contract with ESPN and when ESPN
arranged two made-for-television games for BYU to Oklahoma and TCU in the
state-of-the-art Jerry Dome.
@sammygIsn't it sad that Utah's losses last year to TCU and Boise,
both top 5 teams, are remembered more than anything BYU did on the field last
year! Except losing to the Aggies.Tells you exactly how relevant
Wow, this was fun catching up on this comment board. Some of the best zingers
this season.Let's see, whenever Utah played good teams last year
they scored only single digits. Hope that works in the PAC 10.2 (10.2 makes me
smile everytime)Uteology...ND storming the field...
Don't kid yourself. The celebration was from the simple fact that the bench QB
won the game. As you recall ND lost their starter QB the week before. It was
common knowledge that Utah was not a real #5 having had a humiliating loss the
previous week to TCU. Exposed.BYU... storied program with an NC,
conference championships, QB factory, legacy, media darlingUtah...
trying to catch up, all of the above... not so much.Glad you guys
got a QB... you really need one.Heaps, hands down better than Wynn.
This year will prove it.
#26, by definition, isn't in the Top 25. The Utes were unranked because the Utah
was eaten up like a cupcake in every big game the Utes played in in 2010,
including that humiliating loss in the "biggest game in the history of
Utah", the jumbo-jet7-47U just can't live with the
fact that the poll voters don't always agree with your biased analysis.Every season is judged on the ebb and flow of that particular season, what
each team is doing week-by-week in relation to what every other team is doing.
Comparing team by team opponent records after the fact completely ignores this
very important factor used by voters in ranking teams each week.That's why your biased after-the-fact comparisons are so meaningless and why
you'll never be able to understand how a team that didn't beat a single Top 20
team could win a national championship.BYU's national championship
run culminated in 1984, but really began in 1979.btw, the BcS
computers aren't even allowed to consider margin of victory.Just
another example of the farce that is the BcS.
@AltaHawkFan Who needs spell check when I have you. Thanks, now go
complain about your own grammar errors."The last 15 yrs ? Like
BYU's 1996 14-1 Cotton Bowl team that finished the year #5 by beating the #17
ranked Kansas St team ?"@phoenixFacts are the 2010
#26 Ute team ate up cupcakes, your #25 2001 team struggled vs cupcakes:@UNLV (4-7) W 35 31@Wyoming (2-9) W 41 34@Miss State (3-8) W 41
38The 2010 #26 Ute team went 4-3 vs teams above .500 (beat two 9-4
teams on the road).2001 #25 BYU barley beat a 6-5 team on the road
and the best win was against 8-4 Utah at home:@UNM (6-5) W 24 20CSU (7-5)W 56 34Utah (8-4) W 24 21In conclusion, yes this
10-3 Ute team was disappointing at #26 but reality is this team was hands down
better than your #25 2001 BCS contender (aka worst 12-0 team in college football
wedgieThe real bottom line is BYU-obsessed haters like you are green
with jealousy that BYU is already scheduled to play on ESPN (the mother ship)
four times this year.While the self-absorbed Utes were completely
ignored when the ABC/ESPN games for the PAC 12 were chosen.Thanks to
your big brother throwing you a bone, Utah will get to play on ESPN2 when the
Utes visit LES.
"I watched 3-4 Indiana football games last year on ESPN. Think anybody
remembers any of them?"Williary,So true. There is a
huge difference in being of ESPN and being relevent and interesting on ESPN. One
can watch womens softball on espn(if their so inclined) but to assume the such a
sports venue is interesting and relevant - being remembered for years to come,
is simply delusion.Bottom line is BYU will need to go on a BSU type
winning streak to raise any eyebrows outside of the bubble. Something bYu has
proven they are not capable of doing under brconco.
"Utah finishes their 3rd straight 10-win season last December"...and Utah still failed to crack the AP Top 25.BYU doesn't
have to tout their 10+ win seasons, because BYU is a perfect 15 for 15 in 10+
win teams being ranked in both polls.
Here's all we need to know about these programs.BYU was forced to
tout their 4 straight 10-win seasons, while Utah was thumping Alabama in the
Sugar Bowl and getting discussion around the country as the best team around.Meanwhile, Utah finishes their 3rd straight 10-win season last December,
and Utah fans are disappointed with the way the team finished, and felt they
could have done more.Just the perspective of these fan bases. One
is satisfied winning 10 games and going to the Vegas Bowl. The other has been
to the top of the BCS, and wants to get back.
@AltaHawkFanLove your comments so far. One thing I disagree with
though, KWhit is a genius for recruiting a ton of QB's and changing their
positions. Who are the best athletes on every High School Football team? QB's!
@forreal peopleWow! Are you for real? You are seriously
trying to say Wynn should even be mentioned in the same sentence as Hypes is
laughable! Wynn is the worst QB of all 3 D-1 schools in the state!Travis Wilson is a huge get for the U and I'm actually excited they got him.
They need a legit QB to survive in the Pac and right now they don't have
anything. Sorry Utah fans, but the Utes will be lucky to be .500 this year with
everything going on with this team. Wynn is terrible, brand new D-backfield, no
returning RB's, and on and on. Good luck! I wish that Utah would join the Pac
and compete right now, but it's going to be a while until they find the right
@AltaHawkFanSorry, but the only thing college football fans
"might" remember about that OU/BYU game is that the defending Heisman
Trophey winner went down in the second quarter.Other than that, no,
nobody but BYU fans care. And no, playing on ESPN 8 every week does
not mean college football fans remember you. Lots of awful BCS teams are on TV
all the time. Until BYU improves on that 5-21 record versus ranked opponents by
WINNING those games on ESPN 8, nobody cares. Or get to a BCS game, beat the tar
out of a team like Alabama who just missed playing in the title game, and people
will remember.I watched 3-4 Indiana football games last year on
ESPN. Think anybody remembers any of them?All college football fans
across the country "might" remember about BYU football is that they
used to be a cute story. Threw the ball all over the field, scored lots of
points. Of course, they have to get those stories from Grandpa on holidays.
@mormon uteAh that one cut you deeply. LOL!But I hardly
see how this has anything to do with me "getting over" myself. That
was a rather weird thing for you to write. The truth is no one was punished
because no one whined about it. BYU just accepted it and moved on whereas sdsu
tried to make it sound as if that cost them the game and their was institutional
cheating right on up to the prophet. The things they accused BYU and it's
leaders of should offend someone who would actually call themselves
"mormon" ute. But of course no one at BYU was
"punished" for it, the replay guys were "punished" as you
like to put it. Great, they screwed it up. But your continued harping on it, and
then your lame "I wasn't accusing anyone of anything" denials makes it
obvious you want to use it as another lame reason to cast aspersions on BYU as
an institution and its employees as well.So much for the handle
re: uteologySpell Check is your friend.I hope Wilson
realizes that once he's on campus, he'll never play QB again. Kyle is sure to
move him to linebacker or some other position.
@phoenix Yes, like when Utah fans celbarted at Provo Airport a win
over a Preason #3 OU team in September.Beating #6 #7 #18 #25 >
Beating "Bo Diddly Techs"Always has been. Always will
be.Except in the bubble down south.
willary"5-21 in their last 26 games versus ranked opponents.Sorry, there is nothing "Nationally Relevent" about that
record"You're welcome to your opinion, butTop 25
Finishes four of the last five years says otherwise.That's almost as
many AP Top 25 finishes for BYU(4) in the last five years as Utah(5) has had in
it's ENTIRE history.Utah fans beat their chests about preseason
rankings, but then ignore the final rankings, the only rankings that count.#1 > #2 or #4Always has been. Always will be.Except in the crimson-glasses shaded world of jealous Utah fans.
re: williaryThe last 15 yrs ? Like BYU's 1996 14-1 Cotton Bowl team
that finished the year #5 by beating the #17 ranked Kansas St team ? How about
BYU's 2009 team that beat Oklahoma in a nationally televised game in the first
college game in the new Cowboy stadium ? Think they remember those at all ?I wonder if college football fans will remember BYU when they play on
national tv nearly every week this upcoming season. Remind me, how many times
will the utes be on national tv this coming year ? Oh right, just the BYU game.
williary, Uteology"unfortunately" you two are typical of
the whiners who keeping beating their heads against the wall thinking that
history will somehow change just because you've tried your hardest to minimize
BYU's accomplishment for the billionth time.The $30,000 Crystal
football trophy with the Ebony base sits in BYU's Athletic Hall of Fame. BYU's
1984 National Championship is part of history and is officially recognized by
the NCAA on their website as well as by every major organization that selected a
national champion in 1984.That's the closest Utah will ever come to
a major college football national championship trophy.40 miles south
of the hill.So near, and yet, so far.You gave it your
best shot, and came up short at #2/#4.Blame the BCS!
re: uteology'Winning "Bo Diddly Techs"' really ? Another
reason why my kids won't go to utah for their college education.We'll see this year who is more relevant when Colorado beats you in your new
'rivalry' game. Enjoy your losing season this year.
@AltaHawkFan5-21 in their last 26 games versus ranked opponents.Sorry, there is nothing "Nationally Relevent" about that
record. Do you think college football fans across the country
remember a single thing BYU has done on the football field in the last 15 years?
They don't. But they do remember Urban Meyer and Utah busting the BCS. And
they do remember Utah thumping Bama in the Sugar Bowl.Point proven
Duckhunter,Get over yourself. Nobody was disciplined in the Utah
incident, because there was nothing to discipline anybody for. In my mind
there's a huge difference there. Too many BYU fans have tried to pretend
nothing happened in the SDSU game, but if that were true there would have been
no grounds for discipline. There goes that holier than thou attitude that gets
under the skin of so many of your opponents. Just accept that errors were made
and those who made them paid the price. With the fumble call in the Utah game,
the officials handled everything according to the rule book, so there was
nothing to challenge.
@mussingaroundUnfortunately for Cougar fans, BCS bowl
win/Undefeated season > Anything BYU accomplished in 1984 besides having the
rest of the country lose at least once.
@AltaHawkFan That's about as many times as utah's been ranked in their
entire history. Notre Dame's last NC was in 1988. Is utah more nationally
relevant than Notre Dame?------------Yes. If Utah
wasn't relevant nationally than I seriously doubt Notre Dame fans would have
stormed the field after beating a ranked Utah team in 2010. Colorado won a national title in the 90s... with the raise of hands who still
thinks Colorado is still relevant today? Put your hand down AltaHawkFan.The difference between winning a NC in 1984 and BCS era: Winning
"Bo Diddly Techs" wont even lead to a BCS birth let alone the NC game,
for proof see Boise State 2004 and 2008 seasons.
Careful with the ancient history talk pebbles.Your women's
gymnastics team hasn't won a NC since 1995 and Utah's lone NCAA basketball
championship was won in 1944.All five major selecting organizations
selected BYU as the major college football 1984 National Champion.Are you really suggesting that you are smarter and more informed about the
1984 college football season that the nationwide panels of voters who carefully
evaluated BYU's record, FOR OVER A MONTH, before crowning BYU the concensus
National Champion for 1984?Your jealous whining isn't going to
change 1984, 2004 or 2008.National Championship > BCS bowl win or
undefeated seasonThat's just the way it is.
UteologyIf Utah 2008 was really as good as you think, why didn't the
Utes finish higher than #4 in the Coaches Poll, the OFFICIAL BCS poll?Gotta love the irony of Utah fans praising the BCS system while arguing that
Utah deserved to be ranked higher than #4 in the final "BCS" poll.
@DuckhunterMy family still has a picture of the fateful non-call
posted on our house wall. Until we get revenge this year, we have NOT moved on.
By the way, you continuing to argue about it means that you have not moved on.
Incidentally, any true BYU fan has not moved on....We WILL exact our
revenge in a few short months and it will be nice to witness. Then we'll all
head over to the creamery so that Dick Harmon can sign our game programs.
re: williaryYour boy brought the topic up. Don't blame me. If you
want relevant, how's this for relevant within the last 5 yrs.2006
11-2 Nationally ranked #15 MWC Champs2007 11-2 Nationally ranked #14
MWC Champs2008 10-3 Nationally ranked #212009 11-2 Nationally
ranked #12That's about as many times as utah's been ranked in their
entire history. Notre Dame's last NC was in 1988. Is utah more nationally
relevant than Notre Dame ? Penn St's last NC was in 1986, is utah more relevant
? Auburn's last NC before last year's was 1957, have they been irrelevant until
now ?Relevant teams have won a NC and have players that have won
national awards. How many national awards have utah players won ?Let's see how this season turns out and discuss relevancy again then.
@pebblesAll I read in your posts is "whine, whine, whiney,
whine, whimper, whine, whiney, whine". How does your husband put up with
it? or does he put up with it anymore?LOL
Altahawk Fan Minnesota was been voted AP #1 in football five times. Army two
times. Yale used to be a football power. BYU used to get its rear handed to it
by Utah for about the first 40 years they played each other. BYU 84 also falls
in the ancient history realm and even then your team didn't beat anyone how was
ranked at the end of the season; pray tell what was the big win in 84? Was it
beating 6-5 middle of the Big 10 Michigan? Or the drubbing of New Mexico? Point
is if you have to reach back that far into the past it isn't real germane to the
here and now. Almost forgot, Rome used to rule world and Skyline over Alta any
@williaryYou've been on here bragging about that non existant 1944
basketball national championship. That preceded BYU's Football National
Chmapionship by 40 years not to mention it wasn't even a national Championship.
Pot meet kettle. LOL@Mormon UteThe difference between
the BYU replay incident and the one at utah was SDSU whined like a bunch of
babies and BYU simply lived with it and moved on. Quit trying to pretend
otherwise as it makes you look foolish.
@AltaHawkFanPlease stop discussing things that happened before many
on this board were born. Or happened when Ronald Reagan was President.Colorado and Georgia Tech both won National Titles decades ago didn't they?
NOBODY CARES.When BYU does something relevent on the football field
within the last decade, people outside of the bubble might start to care again.
Until then, you're just reciting old notes from a dusty history book.
re: uteologyThe difference between our #1 1984 team and your #4 2008
team ? We won the consensus National Championship, and you didn't.The difference between a Cougar education and a ute education ? Spelling.
Utah is still a relatively unknown BCS commodity and it took Chow to lure a top
recruit into the facility. But once on campus, it is clear he give huge props
to Whitt, Roderick, etc in selling the program. Chow gave the program a chance
to sell itself and, once getting them in the door, the program sold itself. That is a good sign that it didn't take Chow to bring him in AND sell
the program. Once Utah wins the PAC12 south and begins to open the minds of the
California recruits, it won't take Chow to bring them on campus...they will want
to come and check it out, and then the program can close the sale.Chow was a genious move for the first few years. Changing to the Pro Style
offense was genious too. NFL type offense that will lure those dreaming of the
NFL because of the system they run.
@AltaHawkFan We're dreaming/hoping for a PAC-12 South Title less
than you are dreaming/hoping for a BCS birth. Why? Because we still haven't
printed 50,000 t-shirts in the preseason for it.The difference
between your #1 1984 and our #2 2008 teams... we actaully beat 4 top 5 teams (2
top 7). Who did you beat? Bo Diddly Tech?
re: uteologyYou don't see any difference between actually winning a
National Championship and just dreaming/hoping for a pac12 southern division
@DeepBlue "Favorites to win a very weak PAC 12 south isn't much
to brag about."----------Yet playing weak opponents
havent stopped BYU fans from bragging for 25+ years about backing into the 1984
National Championship with a #104 SOS.
re: popeyeDrinking at 7:36 am ? That's early even for a ute isn't
it ? Good luck with the rest of your day and please stay off of the roads.re: all ute fansGood luck this coming season. I'm sure
you'll win the pac12 south division and play for the conference championship.
With kyle's big game record, I'm sure you'll win and probably play for the
national championship. I'm glad you're not worried that you have a OC that
hasn't had a successful offense in years; a starting qb coming off of shoulder
surgery to his throwing arm that you booed off of the field in his last game
(with a freshman and a third string linebacker as backups); a running back
situation that borders on comical, a converted rugby player, really ?; and a
defensive backfield that returns nobody from a below average secondary last year
(maybe that's a good thing).Like I said - Good luck. You'll need
Veritas Aequitas,I'm not dragging anybody's name through the dirt.
I didn't mention a name in my comment and I was only responding to others who
brought the subject up first. My point is simply that there was questionable
decision making in the BYU-SDSU incident for which several people were
disciplined. The BYU-Utah incident had no such controversy, so those trying to
make comparisons between the two situations are out of line.
scenic view,I didn't accuse Chad Bunn of intentionally covering up
anything and neither did the reports I referred to. The media reports simply
said not all available video was provided to the official in making the decision
and the official didn't ask if there were more available. Nothing intentional
implied. Simply put everyone in the video review booth messed up by not
reviewing all the available video, hence the discipline for everyone
involved.My point was that no such controversy existed regarding the
fumble called at the BYU-Utah game. All the video was reviewed and not enough
evidence was seen on the video to overturn the call on the field so it wasn't
@DeepBlue Spin? Like putting 21 players in the NFL vs 11? Seems to
me the level of talent being developed at both schools and the direction of the
two programs is absolutely clear."Favorites to win a very weak
PAC 12 south isn't much to brag about."Yet you have no problem
bragging about winning WAC championships and AP more AP ranks by beating
creampuffs:BYU has 2 wins over final ranked teams over 12+ years,
not one from a BCS conference (#16 TCU #18 Utah).Yes I can see where
your program is headed...Steve Young ---> Max Hall
Bluto,"The Utah BYU fumnble was the clearest fumble in the
history of the World. Go watch it, Good Grief!"Glad you feel
that way, because that was the call and the video booth didn't overturn it.The main thing I'm pointing out is that there was no controversy
regarding the video review.
@TrueBlueOf course BYU's bowl opponents finish the season ranked.
When you're 11-17-1 in bowl games, your opponent is finishing their season with
a win 2/3 of the time. So they get to stay ranked. Meanwhile,
Utah's 12-4 bowl record, has helped to knock opponents out of the rankings after
they lose their final game to Utah.Pretty simply to figure out isn't
@BlutoCougar fans really don't know when to quit do they."Try Utah's BCS wins. 5 teams a year win BCS games, and 10 teams a year
play in them."For you to downplay the legitimacy of playing in
a BCS game only makes the fact that BYU has failed to even make a BCS game,
while Hawaii has, even more pathetic. Doesn't it? Besides, it's
Utah who makes big deals about playing and winning BCS games. It's BYU who
makes big deals about proclaiming they will get to a BCS game, only to fail on
Yet Deepblue for all of that "prowess" BYU in the Bronco era still has
one big asterisk that means couldn't get it done! ah gu gug ug gu
Like the blown fumble, for the World to see, in the BYU-Utah game.A
gift, without it, Utah loses.@Bluto---and yet....(I point to the
scoreboard and give a little smile.) Bless you Brandon.
UteologyTake some dramamine. You earned it with your spin.Utah had their two best years in Utah football history during the last decade
and still didn't finish in the Top 25 as many times as BYU.BYU 5Utah 4BYU has almost as many AP Top 25 finishes in the last 5
years, as Utah has in its entire history.Favorites to win a very
weak PAC 12 south isn't much to brag about. Utah has only won 6
conference championships in the last 50 years. What makes you think the Utes are
going to start winning championships in the PAC 12.Bronco has more
MWC championships than Kyle.
@TrueBlue"Final rankings are the ONLY rankings that count."Another thing, you do understand that the reason BYU bowl teams were
ranked so high was because BYU lost? For example, the worst 12-0 team in
history in 2001 played #23 Louisville only to get embarrassed so Louisville
jumped to 17. Or like #24 Georgia Teach that got embarrassed by Utah 38-10 so
they dropped out. I'll take the beat down of #24 GTech and playing
one less final top 25 bowl team. I am also more than happy that BYU
fans are excited that their BCS worthy team got humiliated by #23 Louisville to
remain ranked so that BYU fans can argue that they played better bow teams.
@TrueBlueI love BYU fans, partying like if its still the 1980s.
Sorry what happened in the 80s or even in the 90s has NOTHING to with today.
This type of kid would not have played for Utah in the 80s, more
like under Norm Chow at BYU. We all know Utah was horrible in the 80s,
underperformed in the 90s, and zipped passed BYU the last decade.Please put down the 80s stats and join the country in the BCS era. For
example, the era where under the current system (coaches) Utah has developed 21
NFL draft picks, BYU 11.The same era where your are most likely to
play teams like Arizona on great years and UTEP on bad years than Ohio State or
Penn State.We went from being doormats in the WAC to an era where we
are one of the favorites to win the PAC 12 South."Final
rankings are the ONLY rankings that count." ...True, and the
only relevant stats are that happened recently not 25+ years ago when Norm Chow
was at BYU.
UteologyTypical Utah fan spin limiting bowl opponents to only the
MWC era.Why not all time bowl opponents?Only 4 of Utah's
16 bowl opponents (25%) were ranked in the Final Top 25 (both polls)Washington State 15/17Arizona 20/20Alabama 6/6Boise State
9/716 of BYU's 29 bowl opponents (55%) were ranked in the Final Top
25 (both polls)Oklahoma State 14/14Indiana 19/16SMU
20/20Ohio State 12/12Ohio State 14/11UCLA 14/14Penn
State 15/14Texas A&M 15/13Iowa 10/10Kansas 22/23Ohio
State 11/10Kansas State 17/17Tulane 7/7Marshall 10/10Louisville 17/16California 25/25Oregon State would have made
17, if BYU hadn't pummeled the then 16th ranked Beavers so badly.And
Navy would have made 18, if the poll in 1979 had included the Top 25, instead of
only the Top 20.Feel free to spin away, but those are verifiable,
indisputable facts.btw, you can speculate all you want, but final
rankings are the ONLY rankings that count.
So sick of re-hashing the SDSU non-fumble call. The thing people forget is had
the play been called correctly, not only would BYU still had the ball, but they
would have been 15 yards closer to paydirt because of the double face mask by
SDSU that was also cleary seen in photos and film of the play. Perhaps having
two players yanking on your face mask could contribute to a fumble?? Perhaps
the replay officials saw the fumble but also saw the double face mask and didn't
reverse it because of that? After all it's about getting the call correct,
Sounds like a good kid... welcome to Ute Nation.@TrueBlueFact: BYU has NOT played better bowl teams than Utah since WAC play. In bowl games played in the MWC (8 overall for both teams)... Top 25: Utah 3-1 vs BYU 1-2Overall: Utah 7-1 vs BYU 4-41. vs
AP Top 10: Utah 1-1 (W#4 L#10) BYU 0-02. vs AP Top
11-25: Utah 2-0 (W#19 W#24)BYU 1-2 (L#11 W#16 L#23)3. vs USA Today Sagarin Top 26-40Utah 2-0 (W#31 W#35) BYU
1-1 (L#31 W#32)4. vs USA Today Sagarin Top 41-100Utah 2-0
(W#47 W#59) BYU 21 (W#41 L#50 W#89)
Mormon Ute | 4:45 p.m. May 17, 2011 Kaysville, UT Truth Machine,"In the BYU-SDSU game it has been widely reported that the replay
official wasn't shown all the available tape and the video specialist from BYU
was responsible for that."===Cite a source, or let it
go.The "W" was hung, and dragging a good man's reputation
through the dirt to make Utah fans feel better is gutless.How is the
outcome of the BYU-SDSU game have anything to do with the U of U football
@ williaryYes it is true Wynn had little better stats, but he also
had a very proven back field to help out. With better and more seasoned wide
receivers. And I wont even mention the mess of tight ends that Heaps had to
deal with. Then we can talk about the bad decisions of the coaches. Rotating the
Quarterbacks and backing off on play calling. Ect
BTW - really nice article Gurney! Kudos!!
Mormon Ute"In the BYU-SDSU game it has been widely reported
that the replay official wasn't shown all the available tape and the video
specialist from BYU was responsible for that..."Sorry, you're
misinformed.The head replay official was told that there were other
angles available and the official specifically said he did not need to see them
because he had made his decision.The video specialist is not
responsible for insisting that every angle is viewed before a decision is
made.Chad Bunn has worked countless games for the MWC and WAC
conferences and to suggest that he intentionally withheld a video replay is
ridiculous. If that had really been the case, the MWC wouldn't have suspended
all three video replay officials for one game, the MWC would have banned Chad
Bunn from ever working video replay for the MWC again.The fact that
that didn't happen is proof positive that Chad was innocent of any intentional
Just so many Y fans living in the past. So sad! Boarding on pathetic really!
In this century it is clear which football program has attained heights the
other has yet to reach. The Utes have two Undefeated seasons
followed by two BSC Bowl victories in this decade. The Y has no
undefeated seasons in this decade, no BSC bowls and now curiously has elected to
go independent, making it exceedingly difficult to ever make be a BCS qualifier.
While the U is now part of a BCS bowl conference with a $21 million
dollar annual TV package. Not hard to see who has stepped up and become a 21st
century contender and who is still whining about mythical championships and
accomplishments 25 years ago. Go Utes!
I have no problem at all with Heaps (the number 1 QB recruit in the nation at
the time) holding a press conference to announce where he will sign. It was the
thanking of his "publicist" that was a bit off putting.My
fellow Utes -- let's not get ahead of ourselves. It may be a long road ahead of
us - one that will be fun - but nevertheless - a long road. Pounding our chests
about how great we will be is not going to win any football games. Take a lesson
from Coach Whit, and keep your heads down and enjoy the ride (although it may be
So what about the qb that committed to utah? We've had all these other
conversations before. Obviously he was recruited by some decent, not
great, but decent schools. He has a good ranking (top 20) by the recruiting
sites. He has good size. His stats are underwhelming but I don't know what sort
of offense he played in or how good his team was. utah is not noted for its qb's
although chow is. There is a good chance he could turn out to be good although I
sure hope utah isn't done recruiting qb's. You need more than one. BYU
understands this and signs a bunch of them. It seems utah has never understood
this and it has burned them a few times.Now there is nothing to do
but wait and see I suppose.
@BlutoWhen is BYU going to stop wearing stolen Aggie blue?
@Bluto1 - Agreed. Iggy's is not a bar.2 - Hypes was the
#1 QB prospect, not the #1 overall prospect. I think it's great that he chose
to come to BYU, but let's not overstate his ranking and his numbers for his
frosh season were fairly similar to Wynn's."he can hold a Press
Conference wherever he wants to."Not sure that is true, brah.
Again with the overstating and arrogance.3 - Never say never. Even
Bieber says so.4 - "Hype?" What you talk'n 'bout,
Willis?5 - It's a big closet, brah.6 - Many QUALIFIED
football experts seem to think contrary to your opinion. Utah may not win the
PAC-12 this year and might not win the South, but they'll be competitive.By the way, the banners you reference are fairly new compared with your
1984 trophy that, by all accounts, is one of the reasons the BCS came about.
I'm also pretty sure it needs a serious dusting.
Bluto, each time I watch the replay, it becomes more clear.
Kendrick moeai had his hand in there and you cannot tell, at all, when the ball
comes loose. Its not a hard concept.....
Bluto,Utah will get our own form of red as soon as BYU drops the
color scheme of their older brothers, the Utah State Aggies.
@MormonUte.You are the one doing the spinning. The Utah BYU fumnble
was the clearest fumble in the history of the World. Go watch it, Good Grief!The lengths Utes will go to, to justify their "Inflated" self
Hey Bluto why do ye keep on a goin back to me Ute articles and be such a troll.
There be no need for such talk. So lets al kicksk back and basks in football and
stop this pesky rivalry ah gug gug gug gug!
@Bleed CrimsonAnd U are about to find out what it feels like to be
One Half of .2, in the Pac 10.2!And when will Utah begin to wear
"Crimson", instead of fire-engine-Nebraska Red?Get your
color schemes correct, then we'll talk.
Truth Machine,In the BYU-SDSU game it has been widely reported that
the replay official wasn't shown all the available tape and the video specialist
from BYU was responsible for that. All those involved were disciplined for the
mistake. In the Utah-BYU game, the call on the field was a fumble and the
available video evidence, all of which was reviewed, did not provide clear
enough evidence to overturn the call on the field. That is simply following the
rules of video review, no error was made no matter how much BYU fans want to
@all Ute trolls1-Iggy's is not a Saloon, it's a Restaurant, like
Olive Garden, Red Lobster, etc, which also serves alcoholic beverages, not hard
liquor.2- When the Number 1 High School Prospect in the land, one
wanted by 40+ Colleges, one who lost 2 games in 3 years as a starter, one who
won 3 State Championships and lost two games, and one who also was the Top rated
QB at the Elite 11 Camp, well, he can hold a Press Conference wherever he wants
to.3-Utah never has nor never will have such a recruit.4-Hype? Try Utah's BCS wins. 5 teams a year win BCS games, and 10
teams a year play in them.5-Utah's achievements in their history can
fit in a Closet. BYU needs a 3 level Legacy hall.6-The Karma Utah
will know, is when they are (very soon) embedded as the everlasting Pac 10.2
version of Vanderbilt, Iowa St., Duke, Wake Forrest, Baylor etc. (football). Cling to those old tattered banners hanging from RES, that is your
ceiling, never to be matched.Helloo Land of Obscurity in the
household of WAZZU.
Why are all the coug fans so high on Heaps? He has done absolutely nothing. Will
he turn out to be a really good qb or a big bust? Only time will tell. You guys
act like he has taken you to a BCS game or the NC. He definitely has potential
but like I said, he has done nothing. Not one impressive win under his belt. For
all anybody knows, he could be injured early in the season and never reach his
full potential in his whole collegiate career. Y fans need to wait and see what
he does over the next season or two before they act like he is WAY better than
anything Utah has or will have. Let's use common sense people. I for one am
excited to see how both teams play this season. Go Utes!
@ Bluto"Stealing and Fraud?Like the blown fumble,
for the World to see, in the BYU-Utah game."Its called Karma my
friend! now you know how SDSU feels.
@ CG"BYU 24 SDSU 21, SDSU(9-4), was obviously a win over a
winning team. And, unlike Wynn, Heaps won his bowl game, which
according to all of the blather we've heard from Utah fans in the past, is the
most important measure of success for a season".Didn't byu have
to cheat to win that game? That blown review call that was challenged by SDSU.
byu ended up scoring on that drive, which was the difference of that game. If
that byu official was honest, byu should of lost that game 21-17, which results
in not being bowl eligible. Wynn didn't play in the bowl game due to
his shoulder surgery. Terrence Caine was the starter and he's not that good.
Mormon Ute"Blocking a punt isn't stealing."Neither is having a MWC replay official blow a call, which is what happened in
both the BYU-SDSU and BYU-Utah games.
"Ute fans wil keep our BCS wins over that same time frame"Of course U will because that's the only time frame worth talking about.Utah only has one AP Top 25 finish in their entire football history that
didn't occur during the Meyer/Whittingham era.----------------"Utah is the new Quarterback U."Really? You might
wanna try winning AT LEAST ONE national individual quarterback award, before
annointing yourself QB U.
Why do BYU fans insist on naming there victories in the rivalry game? Keep the
cute little monikurs you have accumulated over the last several years and us Ute
fans wil keep our BCS wins over that same time frame.
DevilishUte"Will [Heaps] win a Heisman this year like some
[Cougars] are predicting?"Which BYU fans have predicted that
Heaps will win a Heisman?---------forreal people "This is so stupid. The thrown into the fire thing gets old. Are
any freshmen QB that start not thrown into the fire?"Yes, Wynn
was given half a season to acclimate to the college game, before taking his
first snap in a live game.Heaps was thrown into the first game of
the season with only two offensive series to get acclimated.Wynn had
a stable full of returning starters at running back and wide receiver.Heaps had a team full of skill position players who were just a green and
inexperienced as he was.Heaps significantly outperformed Wynn the
final six games of their Freshman season against similar competition:Heaps: Wyoming, UNLV, at CSU, UNM, at Utah, UTEP - 152.19 ratingWynn:
Wyoming, UNM, at TCU, SDSU, at BYU, California - 130.75 ratingRemember, SDSU was not a very good team in 2009 and Wynn had the best game of
his freshman year against California, so that was hardly the cause of his poor
@Wookie. You are taking this rivalry way too seriously.
Utah is the new Quarterback U. BYU was only great at the QB position because of
Chow. Boom we got 'cho O.C., uh-hu, we got 'cho O.C.
TrueBlue,I'm not one of those fans who believes bowl wins are more
important the conference titles, but I get tired of every accomplishment being
downplayed by BYU fans who can't be good sports and accept that we have a better
team some seasons.
forreal peopleHe had possession and his knee was down before
possession was lost. Utah was given a gift in scoring territory.SDSU, on the other hand, even if the Aztecs had been given the fumble,
still would have had to move the ball over 80 yards to score against a defense
that had controlled the SDSU offense the entire game.The rivalry
games have been close this decade, but BYU has been better at yanking victory
from the jaws of defeat.Frankly, I'd rather lose a game 48-24 or
52-21, than have to live with Harline is still open, 4-and-18, and George is
still running, not to mention, Doman's 4th and a mile conversion in LaVell's
This is so stupid. The thrown into the fire thing gets old. Are any freshmen QB
that start not thrown into the fire? I guess UTEP was a hot blazing fire. Wynn starting his first start at undefeated TCU was a walk in the park.
And Jordan going down to Provo against a senior squad lead by Max Hall, wanting
revenge after getting beat down the previous year 48-24 in SLC, was an easy
environment. Yep. Wynns superior statistics are a result of his easy walk in the
park freshmen and sophomore careers. That 47-7 blowout by TCU just
padded his stats and so did the three games he sat out injured against easy
teams. The pathetic performances against BYU and ND, helped his stats. Sitting
out of the BSU game, helped his stats. All that and he is 60 spots above heaps.
Heaps is the best QB ever though! The stats lie!
For crying out loud... do we have to get into the BYU-Utah trash talk??I'm a Y fan. When I see a U fan, my instinct isn't to trash talk, but just to
talk football. I don't see a fan of the dreaded U! I see someone, who like me,
loves his college football! I love college football, I love watching
the Y, and I will never understand the petty trash talk that goes on between fan
I thought it was refreshing that Wilson just made his announcement. No pompous
press conference at a bar (how is that not an honor code violation in itself).
He picked Utah, that is what I like the most. So much different than a QB who
wanted to go to Washington but they elected to go with Joe Montana's kid instead
so the QB settled by going to Provo.
@skywalker and wiliaryYes, Hypes freshman stats are a bit better
than Wynn's. However, looking at stats, alone, does not tell the whole story.
Competition, play calling, quality of team, etc. are also factors. Hypes probably projects better over his career than Wynn, BUT I think the
point many Ute fans are trying to make when comparing stats is that Hypes stats
aren't THAT much better than Wynn's, the QB you Yners say is horrible. I think
Yners are giving more credit to Hypes than he deserves and not enough credit to
Wynn. Conversely, Utah fans aren't giving Hypes enough credit.Will
Hypes win a Heisman this year like some Yners are predicting? NO! Will he have
a nice season? Probably, except for Sep. 17th!
I have lived away from Utah for over 8 years now and I am saddened to be a Utah
Ute fan and member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Saddened
to realize how ignorant and spiteful that my undergraduate fans have become and
how ignorant and self-righteous my fellow Church members have become. The
polarity and anger exhibited by both sides is not sportsmanship, Christ-like, or
decent on any level. Both schools need to represent themselves and their teams
better. As a Latter Day Saint, we have certain morals and ideals that we have
been commanded to follow, for many who post, there is no memory of our Sunday
worship and committments found herein. For Utah fans, there is no sportmanship,
other than poor, which you should be embarrassed to call yourself a fan.
Grow-up, be a better person and enjoy college sports. We might be lucky enough
to have the NFL and NBA absent for at least a year. Go UTES!!
MormonUte"Before you shout too loudly about winnin your bowl
while we lost ours, consider who the opponents were. I don't think there is a
college football fan in the country who would put UTEP above Boise
State."You're point is well taken, except, Utah fans for years
have refused to consider the strength of bowl opponents while beating their
chests about the difference in BYU's and Utah's bowl records. The fact that BYU
has played more ranked bowl opponents than Utah has played bowls has always been
minimized by Utah fans.And winning bowls during the Bronco/Kyle era
has been touted by Utah fans as being more important than winning a conference
championship, having a 10+ win season, or finishing in the Top 25.Basically, Utah fans can't have it both ways.Considering the fact
that most of Utah's bowl wins came in bowls that were less prestigious than the
Las Vegas Bowl and against much weaker competition, is winning 9 straight bowl
games really more impressive than having four straight 10+ win, Top 25 finishes?
Did BYU give him an offer? No!......Then He doesn't matter!
@Unbiased ViewpointYou're right. Utah probably caught a break.
Just like BYU did in the SDSU game, and in the Utah game in 2010, when Unga
fumbled inside the Utah 20 and it was not overturned. Bad calls happen all the
time.The only fact in this discussion is that 1 set of replay
officials were suspended. Period. Stick to facts, not fans opinions of a
Skywalker,Chary picking your boys best games against sub .500 teams
to compare qb ratings? I'm glad espn's website just counts the facts. Let's keep
it honest here. 2010 QB ratings: Wynn 38/116, Heaps 98/116. Yes, there are 60
better QB's in 2010 below Wynn and better than Heaps. Give it up people. Just
like all other preseason declarations by BYU fans. Why don't you wait until
heeps is ranked in the top 90 out of the 120 QB's before you start bragging. Are there any other BYU players that rank 60 spots below a Ute? Let's
argue about how they are way better. It makes so much sense.
@skywalkerYou mean when Jordan Wynn was playing with a torn rotator
The call on the field was utah football. No undisputable evidence to overturn
that. If the call was BYU football, it likewise would have been upheld. I don't
see officials taking the football away from the player at the bottom of the pile
who recovered a fumble, and then handing it back to his favorite team. The BYU player did not have possession of the foot ball when his knee touched.
The ball was getting RIPPED out of his hands as he was going down. It's not like
the BYU player fumbled, the Utah player striped the ball, and was stripping it
before the BYU knee touched. So, there was NO possession by either team when the
knee touched. You need control of the FB for position. By the time someone
controlled the ball, it was in the hands of a Utah player. Cut and dry. FB
101.Utah scored 17 unanswered points in the fourth and blocked a FG,
get over it. Rivalry games have been close this decade. Except for Utahs two
blowout wins 48-24, 52-21 ouch.
@ WillaryPlease this is embarrasing. We all saw what happened let's
not pretend that it didn't.
willaryComparing the last 6 games of their Freshman seasons and
Wynn's Sophomore season:Heaps-F 109-172, 1340 yds, 14 TD, 3 int,
152.19 ratingWynn--F 104-179, 1329 yds, 8 TD, 4 int, 130.75 ratingWynn--S 186-299, 2334 yds, 17 TD, 10 int, 139.85 ratingHeaps(14)
threw almost as many TDs in the last 6 games of his Freshman season, as Wynn(17)
threw in his entire Sophomore season.It's indisputable that Heaps
improved dramatically the second half of his Freshman season, after having to
deal with the two-QB system and a host of new skill position players to start
the season.Heaps was thrown straight into the fire his first game in
a BYU uniform.Wynn spent half of his Freshman year standing on the
sidelines, observing Utah's offense, then practicing it during the week.
Sorry, I meant blocking a field goal. My bad.
mussingaround,Blocking a punt isn't stealing. It is lucky, but it's
not stealing. Ask any college football coach and they'll tell you luck is a
factor in every successful season. So don't try to claim a victory where it
@BlutoFact is 1 set of replay officials were disciplined, 1 set was
not. There are blown calls in every game of every season. As far as we know,
there was 1 set of officials suspended all year by the MWC, the BYU/SDSU
officials. Just the facts.
CG,Before you shout too loudly about winnin your bowl while we lost
ours, consider who the opponents were. I don't think there is a college
football fan in the country who would put UTEP above Boise State.
This kid is big and was recruited by many quality programs. I have the feeling
he will do very well under Norm Chow. He gave credit to Witt, Roderick and of
course Norm Chow which he should as they are all great coaches.Hedge
and others, the relevance this story has to BYU is only that all 3 coaches
mentioned are forever associated with BYU. That said, I respect all of them, and
throw in Sitaki let's make it four. Some need to grow up and be men,
not little girls arguing over the dress their Barby doll wears. I
hope UTAH kicks some serious rump this year and I hope they make it to the Rose
Bowl with only one loss to BYU.For all you nay sayers about BYU not
making it to a BCS game, I say people and teams, play up to the competition and
BYU is always on the hit list. Alabama is a good example. By the numbers,
Alabama was better than Utah but Utah played up big time and, well you know the
story. That's another reason the BYU/UTAH game is the best rivalry in the world.
wedgie"BYU 24 SDSU 21, SDSU(9-4), was obviously a win over a
winning teamTHs was not a win... it's called stealing and
fraud."Neither was Utah's stolen, fraudulent 17-16 win over
BYU.Either way, Heaps has a win against 9-4 SDSU or 9-4 Utah.
@williaryOf course not, the MWC vendetta against BYU was
apparent.Are you denying the blown Utah call?The BYU call was
blown dead by whistle, that was the MWC officials justification for not
reviewing all the angles.The BYU officials and the MWC were
suspended, tis true. The MWC official made the call, not the BYU video
personell.This play had no bearing on the outcome, nor did an
earlier blown call denied BYU, the BYU-Utah blown call, handed the Utes a gift.
You know it and we all know it.
It's interesting to see Utah land the #17 rated QB, BYU land the #19 rated QB
and TCU not much below... I think this shows that these schools have all done a
great job of moving up with the big boys and top recruits are starting to
follow... a great time to be a football fan in Utah, regardless if you're a Ute
or Cougar fan.
TJ and CG,Wynn did win the one and only bowl game he has ever played
in. His freshman year he was the Poinsettia bowl MVP against a ranked Cal team
for a RANKED Utah team. Wynn had a wildly better QB rating his freshmen year
than heaps, look it up. Wynn had a staggeringly better QB rating last year.
Heeps had 97 D1 QB's rated ahead of him, yes QB ratings are based on reality.
How good was that team that heaps beat in that bowl last year? I seem to
remember a 6-6 BYU team ranked in the 50's by the computers, with a QB rated
98th overall, playing in trash bowl against a pathetic opponent. Get real
people. If there is one thing we don't have to argue about, this is it.Once again lets summarize : a freshmen Wynn, Leads a ranked team to a bowl
victory over a ranked BCS team and gets MVP honors. A freshman Heeps leads a
terrible 6-6 unranked BYU team to bowl victory over a terrible, unranked, no
name team in a bowl game and ends up 98th in QB rating.
@BlutoI'm confused. Were the replay officials in the Utah/BYU game
suspended, or the BYU/SDSU game?
Looks like a great catch for Utah. But unfortunately the bragging and
badmouthing follows.Where would we be if the field goal had not been
blocked. The 3 points would have dramatically changed the tone and language on
a lot of commentors who constantly downgrade one team's season and try to
upgrade another.In reality both team's season was impacted by the
one blocked field goal. Give all the credit in the world to blocker. They
deserve it, the block won them the game. But the boasting and braggart style is
surprising considering how close the team came to total disaster.
@CG - "And, unlike Wynn, Heaps won his bowl game, which according to all of
the blather we've heard from Utah fans in the past, is the most important
measure of success for a season."Typical BYU fan throwing out
nonsense. You sound like the guy from Anchorman, "60% of the time it works
every time."Seems to me that Wynn is 1-0 in postseason play. He
led the Utes to a blowout victory over California and won the Poinsettia Bowl
MVP after completing 26-of-36 passes for 338 yards and three touchdowns.Terrance Cain lost last season's bowl game against easily one of the
best teams in the country in Boise State. That's a pretty big difference than
beating UTEP that wore practice mesh jerseys to the highly anticipated game in
Albuquerque. Keep the made up rumors and stats coming - remember
Utes fan STILL can't fill RES stadium.
@CJSorry man, you're just wrong.Both Heaps and Wynn led
their teams to Bowl victories in their Freshman season. And both played very
well, Wynn with slightly better numbers against a much better opponent.Heaps vs. UTEP: 73% Completion, 264 Yards, 10.56 YPC, 4TD/1INTWynn
vs. Cal: 72% Completion, 338 Yards, 13.00 YPC, 3TD/1INTAnd
comparing all of their Freshman years...Heaps: 216/384, 57%, 10.57
YPC, 2316 Yards, 15TD/9INT, 115.9 RatingWynn: 104/179, 58%, 12.74
YPC, 1329 Yards, 8TD/4INT, 130.7 RatingLook, I'd take Heaps any day
of the week, he's going to be very good. But when Jordan Wynn was healthy prior
to his shoulder injury early last season, he had arguably a better Freshman
season. Much less attempts, but a better completion%, better TD/INT ratio, and
a better passer rating. Just the facts.
Stealing and Fraud?Like the blown fumble, for the World to see, in
the BYU-Utah game.A gift, without it, Utah loses.
Chow better be ready to help this kid. He only had 12td last year and also had
7 picks. 12 tds to 7ints is not very good.
"BYU 24 SDSU 21, SDSU(9-4), was obviously a win over a winning
team"THs was not a win... it's called stealing and fraud.
Ah, Ernest T. Bass masquerading as a BYU fan again and with spelling
"errors" too. That's as predictable as hedgehog and Chris B. attacking
anything BYU.This recruit looks like a great addition to the Utes;
they are a little weak in the QB position right now. Hopefully he pans out as a
good player in college. He's a great size (maybe slightly tall for a
stereotypical quarterback - not that that's bad) if he gains some more mass.
TJ, I figure it's a typo, but for the others out there who may not realize: Alex
Smith played QB for the Utes under Urban Meyer, Alex Jensen played forward for
the Runnin' Utes under Majerus. But your point is valid as the Utes
have never been a QB factory. But there is always the future!Finally, if Heaps or this kid or any other recruit wants to annouce where they
are going from a Sport's Grill...that's cool. I went out to dinner when I
announced where I was going for undergrad(only my parents actually cared of
I bet he can throw a football over them mountains.
hedge;Actually, Heaps was 6-4 as a starter last season. He did it as a
true freshman with many other freshmen and sophmores starting or playing
significant minutes. BYU will be much improved, more experienced as well as
deeper. Your life as a BYU hater will be hollow for years to come.
"Do what? lead your team to a 7-6 record (all wins comming against sub .500
teams)."More propaganda from the jealous one.After
dealing with the two-headed QB monster and having to break in an almost entirely
new set of skill position players, Heaps' final 6 games were MUCH better than
Wynn's freshman year, which only included 6 games.BYU 24 SDSU 21,
SDSU(9-4), was obviously a win over a winning team. And, unlike
Wynn, Heaps won his bowl game, which according to all of the blather we've heard
from Utah fans in the past, is the most important measure of success for a
season.We haven't forgotten all of the x-bowl wins in a row bragging
we've heard from the Utes in the past, despite their not winning a conference
championship or finishing in the Top 25.
@ TJ....I am pretty sure Alex Jensen played basketball for the Utes. Alex SMITH
I'd take St. Jake any day of the week. Of course, that would be the only
position on the field I'd take BYU's starter over Utah's this year.
Too bad he will never be as good as are #3 qb because were just better down
@andy1; You sound jealous? Think heaps announcing with other top HS players was
maybe a recruiting tool used by himself and BYU? Don't point fingers until you
have been in the same situation. If your school ever gets the number one player
in the country in any position, let's see what Whittingham / Utah does. And
don't tell me you know what he would do. That would just make you look more
ridiculous.Hopefully this kid will fill out over this next year and
a half. If he can gain 25 or 30 lbs and Chow can develop him, he could be the
real deal. The Utes don't often get QB's with this much up side. Alex Jensen and
Scott Mitchell are the only ones I can think of.
"It ain't braggin if you do it..."Bluto,Do
what? lead your team to a 7-6 record (all wins comming against sub .500
teams).I hear Iggys is changing it's name to
@andrewute1I guess being the number one rated QB out of High School
with offers from 40 schools, might make one feel that they are hot stuff.It ain't braggin if you do it...
Yes, the Utes can recruit against PAC-12 schools and win. Good job coaches!
Great recruits, schedule, conference and coaches. The great news for Ute fans
Its great to have such a level headed player coming in to Utah, instead of some
recruits who think they are such hot stuff they have to announce at an iggy's.
Chow has already proved his worth.Smart stratigic thinking on
KWhitts part to make the move this past winter.
A lock for the Heisman his first year.
Great pickup, sounds like a very exciting addition.