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Published: Friday, May 13 2011 11:27 a.m. MDT

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hedgehog
Ann Arbor, MI

Interesting how only Oregon and Staford received more fan votes than the Utes. Says a lot about how PAC12 fans view the Utes and not just the hate filled Y fans.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@wedgie

No what it says is that you and christina spent hours and hours voting over and over. None of the pac10 fans takes utah seriously.

hedgehog
Ann Arbor, MI

"None of the pac10 fans takes utah seriously."

Ducky,

I'll let that comment slid even though it reeks of bitterness and disillusionment. Utah will need to earn the PAC12 fans respect.....kinda like how the utes earned the PAC12 Presidents respect when the were invited to join the "Conference of Champions."

Funny thing, Respect is earned (i.e BCS busting bowl wins) and winning when it matters most. Somehow all those BYU wins against Wyoming and New Mexico just didn't translate into respect.

DevilishUte
Tempe, AZ

@Duckhunter

I live in PAC-12 country, have had season tickets to ASU for the last 8 years, and have ties to ASU (got my graduate degree there). I married into a family full of PAC-12 fans (most are ASU fans, but a few are U of A fans) and for you to speak for the entire PAC-12 fan base is ludicrous. I bring up my ties to the PAC-12 only to point out that fans in the conference are not taking Utah lightly.

I do not think that Utah will win the South; ASU will. That being said, I do believe Utah will be competitive.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@wedgie

I notice you didn't deny sitting at your computer and voting 6000 times.

@devlishute

Yea, yea, we all have "family" in pac10 country, I spent half my life in Northern California near Stanford and am plenty versed in the pac10. Just because you have proclaimed yourself a fan of one of the schools it doesn't mean you somehow know anything more than anyone else. Just read the fan boards of the pac10 newspapers, blogs, etc. and you will see exactly how much repsect the majority of pac10 fans have for utah, or colorado for that matter. Very little.

Now they may have to change that opinion but going in not many of them think utah is going to amount to much. We can argue all day about whether that is simply unsubstantiated arrogance, ignorance, fooolishness, or actual educated assesment of utah's overall program, but the fact remains they are not widely respected by most of the pac10's fans.

But really I couldn't care less, it's just fun to call wedgie out on it since she seems to have so much of her self worth tied up in the opinions of pac 10 fans.

Jealous U
Alpine, UT

wedgie

"Interesting how only Oregon and Staford received more fan votes than the Utes."

Just because the DN linked the poll so droves of Utah fans could spam the voting, doesn't mean the rest of the PAC 12 really considers Utah a contender.

hedgehog
Ann Arbor, MI

"Just because the DN linked the poll so droves of Utah fans could spam the voting, doesn't mean the rest of the PAC 12 really considers Utah a contender"

Jealous (perfect handle by the way)

the poll is on the ESPN PAC12 blog... not some Utah homer site. And if your suggesting that a LDS/BYU promotion newletter (Dnews) would drive Ute fans to the ESPn site....then the Dnews might just have a problem.

TheHailstorm
South Weber, UT

Duhkunter:
Please run a spell check and correct your proper nouns when posting. You say that you graduated from the Y, if so please don't embarrass the college by using 4th. grade grammar.
Utah will be fine.
My sister graduated from the Y and now lives in Orange County, and yes they do have respect for Utah there. She went to the Vegas Bowl a few years ago and got way upset when she learned that Bronco cut off her plans to attend the pep rally in favor of a fireside.After the Cougars lost, again, she started paying attention to the Utah team and has totally turned her back on the Cougars.
By the way it's the PAC 12 now so you may want to take off that cloak of denial and join us in the world of reality.

DevilishUte
Tempe, AZ

@Duckhunter

I don't think HH's extremism is right, but I would also argue that neither is yours. I guess you didn't read my post carefully as it is more than familial ties that leads me to my conclusions about whether Utah is being taken seriously.

I LIVE in PAC-12 country and have been affiliated with ASU for 8 years, follwing the team closely during that span. I talk football often with fans from nearly all the schools, except OSU and Cal. While none of them think Utah will win the conference this year (I don't either), they think Utah will be competitive.

TheHailstorm
South Weber, UT

Duck,
" One of my parents is a 30 year faculty member at BYU "
Then why do you post with such poor spelling and grammar errors ?
And what half of your life did you live in Southern California ?
You should make note that it is the PAC 12 now. That may help when you take off that cloak of denial.
Much of Utah's respect comes from the coaching staff that coach Whittingham has assembled, and not through the imaginary spamming of votes. To think otherwise is just too never-never land for me to even consider.

Dutchman
Murray, UT

Didn't all of the PAC 10 presidents live in PAC 10 country when they voted to admit Utah and Colorado to the PAC 12? I would call that respect.

Swoop
Salt Lake City, UT

Stormy

"she] got "way" upset"???

Please run a grammar check and correct your 6th grade grammar.

I have a good friend who spent the last school year in a doctoral program at Cal and he learned first hand from countless Cal students that not only is Utah NOT respected by Cal fans, but Utah is perceived as being just as much a "Mormon" school as BYU.

Many fans in Washington were extremely upset that Michael Young, a Mormon, was hired to be their school president.

Bottom line, Utah is going to face the same type of religious bigotry that BYU faced in not being invited to the PAC 12.

You'll find that same lack of respect for Utah's sports programs. Utah has a couple of great years on their football resume, recently, but little else.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@failstorm

I'm not a very good typist, so what. That's the best you've got?

But of course your reading comprehension certainly verifies your utah education. One I never said I graduated from BYU, I said I attended. Two I never said I lived half of my life in Southern California, I said I lived in Northern California, right near Stanford. Go ahead and believe that pac10 fans can even name any of the utah coaching staff other than chow and just maybe Kyle. That's to laughable for me to even consider. I'm sure pac10 fans are sitting around trying to learn the names of utah's secondary coach and offensive line coach. LOL

Also your "sister" is obviously a figment of your imagination. I highly doubt any BYU fan, especially if they are LDS, would be upset with Bronco for furthering the mission of the university and church by holding a fireside. Even if she did exist if she is the type that would bail on her team because of a loss and a fireside then good riddance to her. I can definatley see how that sort of a person would be your relation though.

Utah'95
FPO, AE

I find it amusing that a BYU fan is putting down Utah athletics, saying "none of the pac10 fans takes utah seriously." The PAC 10 athletic directors, presidents, and chancellors certainly do, as evidenced by who they invited to join their conference.

Anyway, I don't Utah is entitled to anyone's respect. It is their job to go out and win it. I hope the Utes are up to the challenge.

PAC man
Anaheim, CA

It's interesting that Utah is only 4th on

"Who will win the Pac-12 in 2011?"
Oregon 54%
Stanford 24%
USC 8%
Utah 7%
ASU 6%

But 3rd on

"Who will be the Pac-12's biggest disappointment?
ASU 30%
Washington 25%
Utah 17%
Stanford 15%
Oregon 12%

It's also interesting that "the Utes in some ways carry the non-AQ flag into an AQ conference", where success will validate the very non-AQ teams that so many Utah fans now despise, but failure, will "have the opposite effect".

Utah success = non-AQ success
Utah failure = non-AQ failure

oh, the irony

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

Utah'95

The PAC presidents and chancellors aren't the same as the PAC fans.

My guess is most PAC fans are reserving judgement on the Utes until the Utes actually do something in the PAC.

Utah'95
FPO, AE

Snack PAC,

I agree with what you said.

One of the great things about sports is this - talk means very little. It's what happens on the field that matters. Watching the Utes beat teams is more exciting to me than hearing the opponent's fans voice respect for Utah.

My guess is that naysayers who believe that Utah will be the new doormat of the PAC 12 will be disappointed. Utah and BYU have played evenly in head-to-head football games for the last 5, 10, and 20 years. If Utah is "the new Washington State" like many have proposed, then what does that say about their beloved BYU Cougars?

And the Ute homers who believe that their favorite team will immediately find themselves among the best two or three programs in their new conference will likely be frustrated. I hope the Utes finish in the top half of the conference for the next few years, and maybe can contend for a division or even conference championship sometime in the next 5-10 years.

But, like I said, all our speculation - including mine - means nothing. I can't wait to see how it all pans out!

Veritas Aequitas
Fruit Heights, UT

DevilishUte | 2:23 p.m. May 13, 2011
Tempe, AZ
@Duckhunter

"I married into a family full of PAC-12 fans..."
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How do you know?

Do they have "PAC Fan" T-shirts they wear at weddings, a special handshake? Did the Bride march to a PAC school song? How do you know if they are SEC fans, do they have to sit a different tables?

What if they are even into sports?

What if they are hunters, and fishermen, is there a way to tell?

Are they fans of different PAC schools, and they wore sweaters to the wedding?

Is it one family, or the whole extended family?

Have there been "fueds" between followers of the different schools, like the "Hatfields and McCoys"?

I guess what I'm asking, if this is supposed to give you credibility on this topic, is how do you know if you married into a a family of PAC fans.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@PAC man

I think you are right but it really shouldn't be that way. I just don't think utah's current team is a reflection on past teams although I suppose there can be a pretty good argument made about program quality based on how they do for the next few years.

If they are at the bottom of the pac10 then it will be a failure for the non aq's. All of the people saying they cannot compete week in and week out will be proven correct.

I'm actually a little bit worried about it because I was unimpressed with utah last year and they appeared to be on a downward trend. I do not think their offense will be very good at all.

Hopefully they can perform respectably. I don't think they need to win the pac10 to be respectable but they need to not get pounded on with any regularity and they need to be in the upper half regularly.

Veritas Aequitas
Fruit Heights, UT

Veritas Aequitas | 11:36 a.m. May 14, 2011
Fruit Heights, UT
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OK, no response, therefore, I married into a family of PAC-10 fans, and they were surprised when I told them last night that Utah joined the PAC-10.

See, holds the same strength of your argument.
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Seriously, I love that Coach K has Tommy Connor massaging the recruit through the academic system (it's on the radio show, for Utah fans that are interested.)

Coach K did the thing Boylen refused to do and hired a competent staff. Tommy will lock the kids down.

What excites me, is I will have great free tickets to watch the Utes resurgance in basketball, free tickets to see BYU keep it rolling, passes to the field in both BYU and Utah football, and Chris, Hedge and Naval will be stuck watching BYU on HD, and catch one Utah game on TV this year.

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