PAC Man, how come you didn't mention that in that same series of polls Utah was
the top vote getter for "Biggest Surprise" in the PAC-12 this year?
The irony, indeed.
I'm know a great way for the Utes to earn some respect:Beat SoCal in
I think Utah will eventually do just fine in the Pac-12, although I think the
coming season might be a bit of a shock to those fans who are expecting instant
success. I think 7-8 wins is realistic but anything higher than that is
extremely unlikely. I hope that I'm wrong and that Utah can win the Pac-12
championship in its inaugural year, but I really don't think it's going to
Veritas Aequitas | 11:36 a.m. May 14, 2011 Fruit Heights, UT ===OK, no response, therefore, I married into a family of PAC-10 fans, and
they were surprised when I told them last night that Utah joined the PAC-10.See, holds the same strength of your argument.===Seriously, I love that Coach K has Tommy Connor massaging the recruit through
the academic system (it's on the radio show, for Utah fans that are
interested.)Coach K did the thing Boylen refused to do and hired a
competent staff. Tommy will lock the kids down.What excites me, is I
will have great free tickets to watch the Utes resurgance in basketball, free
tickets to see BYU keep it rolling, passes to the field in both BYU and Utah
football, and Chris, Hedge and Naval will be stuck watching BYU on HD, and catch
one Utah game on TV this year.
@PAC manI think you are right but it really shouldn't be that way. I
just don't think utah's current team is a reflection on past teams although I
suppose there can be a pretty good argument made about program quality based on
how they do for the next few years.If they are at the bottom of the
pac10 then it will be a failure for the non aq's. All of the people saying they
cannot compete week in and week out will be proven correct. I'm
actually a little bit worried about it because I was unimpressed with utah last
year and they appeared to be on a downward trend. I do not think their offense
will be very good at all. Hopefully they can perform respectably. I
don't think they need to win the pac10 to be respectable but they need to not
get pounded on with any regularity and they need to be in the upper half
DevilishUte | 2:23 p.m. May 13, 2011 Tempe, AZ @Duckhunter"I married into a family full of PAC-12 fans..."====How do you know?Do they have "PAC Fan" T-shirts they
wear at weddings, a special handshake? Did the Bride march to a PAC school song?
How do you know if they are SEC fans, do they have to sit a different tables?What if they are even into sports?What if they are hunters,
and fishermen, is there a way to tell?Are they fans of different PAC
schools, and they wore sweaters to the wedding?Is it one family, or
the whole extended family?Have there been "fueds" between
followers of the different schools, like the "Hatfields and
McCoys"?I guess what I'm asking, if this is supposed to give
you credibility on this topic, is how do you know if you married into a a family
of PAC fans.
Snack PAC,I agree with what you said.One of the great
things about sports is this - talk means very little. It's what happens on the
field that matters. Watching the Utes beat teams is more exciting to me than
hearing the opponent's fans voice respect for Utah.My guess is that
naysayers who believe that Utah will be the new doormat of the PAC 12 will be
disappointed. Utah and BYU have played evenly in head-to-head football games
for the last 5, 10, and 20 years. If Utah is "the new Washington
State" like many have proposed, then what does that say about their beloved
BYU Cougars?And the Ute homers who believe that their favorite team
will immediately find themselves among the best two or three programs in their
new conference will likely be frustrated. I hope the Utes finish in the top
half of the conference for the next few years, and maybe can contend for a
division or even conference championship sometime in the next 5-10 years.But, like I said, all our speculation - including mine - means nothing.
I can't wait to see how it all pans out!
Utah'95The PAC presidents and chancellors aren't the same as the PAC
fans. My guess is most PAC fans are reserving judgement on the Utes
until the Utes actually do something in the PAC.
It's interesting that Utah is only 4th on"Who will win the
Pac-12 in 2011?"Oregon 54%Stanford 24%USC 8%Utah
7%ASU 6%But 3rd on"Who will be the Pac-12's
biggest disappointment?ASU 30%Washington 25%Utah 17%Stanford 15%Oregon 12%It's also interesting that "the
Utes in some ways carry the non-AQ flag into an AQ conference", where
success will validate the very non-AQ teams that so many Utah fans now despise,
but failure, will "have the opposite effect".Utah success
= non-AQ successUtah failure = non-AQ failureoh, the irony
I find it amusing that a BYU fan is putting down Utah athletics, saying
"none of the pac10 fans takes utah seriously." The PAC 10 athletic
directors, presidents, and chancellors certainly do, as evidenced by who they
invited to join their conference.Anyway, I don't Utah is entitled to
anyone's respect. It is their job to go out and win it. I hope the Utes are up
to the challenge.
@failstormI'm not a very good typist, so what. That's the best
you've got?But of course your reading comprehension certainly
verifies your utah education. One I never said I graduated from BYU, I said I
attended. Two I never said I lived half of my life in Southern California, I
said I lived in Northern California, right near Stanford. Go ahead and believe
that pac10 fans can even name any of the utah coaching staff other than chow and
just maybe Kyle. That's to laughable for me to even consider. I'm sure pac10
fans are sitting around trying to learn the names of utah's secondary coach and
offensive line coach. LOLAlso your "sister" is obviously a
figment of your imagination. I highly doubt any BYU fan, especially if they are
LDS, would be upset with Bronco for furthering the mission of the university and
church by holding a fireside. Even if she did exist if she is the type that
would bail on her team because of a loss and a fireside then good riddance to
her. I can definatley see how that sort of a person would be your relation
Stormy"she] got "way" upset"???Please run a grammar check and correct your 6th grade grammar. I
have a good friend who spent the last school year in a doctoral program at Cal
and he learned first hand from countless Cal students that not only is Utah NOT
respected by Cal fans, but Utah is perceived as being just as much a
"Mormon" school as BYU.Many fans in Washington were
extremely upset that Michael Young, a Mormon, was hired to be their school
president.Bottom line, Utah is going to face the same type of
religious bigotry that BYU faced in not being invited to the PAC 12.You'll find that same lack of respect for Utah's sports programs. Utah has a
couple of great years on their football resume, recently, but little else.
Didn't all of the PAC 10 presidents live in PAC 10 country when they voted to
admit Utah and Colorado to the PAC 12? I would call that respect.
Duck, " One of my parents is a 30 year faculty member at BYU
" Then why do you post with such poor spelling and grammar errors
? And what half of your life did you live in Southern California ?
You should make note that it is the PAC 12 now. That may help when you take off
that cloak of denial. Much of Utah's respect comes from the coaching staff
that coach Whittingham has assembled, and not through the imaginary spamming of
votes. To think otherwise is just too never-never land for me to even consider.
@DuckhunterI don't think HH's extremism is right, but I would also
argue that neither is yours. I guess you didn't read my post carefully as it is
more than familial ties that leads me to my conclusions about whether Utah is
being taken seriously. I LIVE in PAC-12 country and have been
affiliated with ASU for 8 years, follwing the team closely during that span. I
talk football often with fans from nearly all the schools, except OSU and Cal.
While none of them think Utah will win the conference this year (I don't
either), they think Utah will be competitive.
Duhkunter: Please run a spell check and correct your proper nouns when
posting. You say that you graduated from the Y, if so please don't embarrass the
college by using 4th. grade grammar. Utah will be fine. My sister
graduated from the Y and now lives in Orange County, and yes they do have
respect for Utah there. She went to the Vegas Bowl a few years ago and got way
upset when she learned that Bronco cut off her plans to attend the pep rally in
favor of a fireside.After the Cougars lost, again, she started paying attention
to the Utah team and has totally turned her back on the Cougars. By the
way it's the PAC 12 now so you may want to take off that cloak of denial and
join us in the world of reality.
"Just because the DN linked the poll so droves of Utah fans could spam the
voting, doesn't mean the rest of the PAC 12 really considers Utah a
contender"Jealous (perfect handle by the way)the
poll is on the ESPN PAC12 blog... not some Utah homer site. And if your
suggesting that a LDS/BYU promotion newletter (Dnews) would drive Ute fans to
the ESPn site....then the Dnews might just have a problem.
wedgie"Interesting how only Oregon and Staford received more
fan votes than the Utes."Just because the DN linked the poll so
droves of Utah fans could spam the voting, doesn't mean the rest of the PAC 12
really considers Utah a contender.
@wedgieI notice you didn't deny sitting at your computer and voting
6000 times.@devlishuteYea, yea, we all have
"family" in pac10 country, I spent half my life in Northern California
near Stanford and am plenty versed in the pac10. Just because you have
proclaimed yourself a fan of one of the schools it doesn't mean you somehow know
anything more than anyone else. Just read the fan boards of the pac10
newspapers, blogs, etc. and you will see exactly how much repsect the majority
of pac10 fans have for utah, or colorado for that matter. Very little.Now they may have to change that opinion but going in not many of them think
utah is going to amount to much. We can argue all day about whether that is
simply unsubstantiated arrogance, ignorance, fooolishness, or actual educated
assesment of utah's overall program, but the fact remains they are not widely
respected by most of the pac10's fans.But really I couldn't care
less, it's just fun to call wedgie out on it since she seems to have so much of
her self worth tied up in the opinions of pac 10 fans.
@DuckhunterI live in PAC-12 country, have had season tickets to ASU
for the last 8 years, and have ties to ASU (got my graduate degree there). I
married into a family full of PAC-12 fans (most are ASU fans, but a few are U of
A fans) and for you to speak for the entire PAC-12 fan base is ludicrous. I
bring up my ties to the PAC-12 only to point out that fans in the conference are
not taking Utah lightly.I do not think that Utah will win the South;
ASU will. That being said, I do believe Utah will be competitive.
"None of the pac10 fans takes utah seriously."Ducky,I'll let that comment slid even though it reeks of bitterness and
disillusionment. Utah will need to earn the PAC12 fans respect.....kinda like
how the utes earned the PAC12 Presidents respect when the were invited to join
the "Conference of Champions." Funny thing, Respect is
earned (i.e BCS busting bowl wins) and winning when it matters most. Somehow
all those BYU wins against Wyoming and New Mexico just didn't translate into
@wedgieNo what it says is that you and christina spent hours and
hours voting over and over. None of the pac10 fans takes utah seriously.
Interesting how only Oregon and Staford received more fan votes than the Utes.
Says a lot about how PAC12 fans view the Utes and not just the hate filled Y