I really like Lane Williams' remarks in this news article.I'm sure
he reflects the feeling not only of himself, but many LDS.This was a Great
example of Good writing. I definitely could relate.At the end of
the story (news article), it says that Mr. Williams is a Communications
teacher at BYU Idaho. His students are lucky to have someone with his
talent level as their teacher.If I were his teacher, I would have
given him an A++ on this news story!!!
Very good article. I think there's a lot of glory to be had in taking some
punches - even self-inflicted - and coming through on the other side with your
faith intact. The Osmonds are good examples of just that, particularly Marie.
Beatrice,The second husband did not have to give permission in order for
the sealing to be canceled. Only the First Presidency of the Church can
cancel sealings, and they consider the entire situation, including the feelings
of the ex-spouse. In a situation like this, the ex-spouse is asked to write a
statement to the 1st Presidency expressing their views on the divorce, which
they may or may not provide. But the ultimate decision rests with the 1st
Presidency, regardless of what the ex-spouse may say. In the New
Testament, Christ gave Peter the power to "bind on earth what will be bound
in heaven, and loose on earth what will be loosed in heaven." That's
basically what we're talking about here.
beatrice, first of all Marie's marriages and who she is and isn't sealed to, is
none of my business. And it isn't my place to make any decisions for her
situation. I myself am sealed to my deceased husband and have had a marriage in
the temple with my now husband for time only, we are both widowed. But after
you clarified your question, it reminded me of a question that was asked of the
Savior. Mark 12:14 And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know
that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of
men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to
Cæsar, or not? His answer is in verse 17 And Jesus answering said
unto them, Render to Cæsar the things that are Cæsars, and to God
the things that are Gods. And they marvelled at him. Now my
question, why did they ask this question of him and beatrice, why did you ask
this question of me?
No one ever gets a temple divorce. If one or the other partner are not faithful
to their temple wedding covenants, sometime a cancellation of sealings is
granted. But this happens very rarely. I hope the best for Marie
in her future life. She has been like a shining light, even through her darkest
hours. May our Father in Heaven and His Holy Son be with her in her new life.
Marie. Stephen. Again.Who was it who said that remarriage is the
triumph of hope over experience. Case in point, though they might not call it
hope but faith.
Beatrice, after a person has been baptized into the LDS Church, they know
exactly as much as just before they were baptized. They have been taught,
received a testimony of the Gospel and accepted the truths of the LDS faith
before receiving a recommend for baptism. Then after they are baptized, they
keep on learning, line upon line, precept upon precept. If a convert
participates in Church activities, for instance has Church callings and being a
full tithe payer for a year, they may receive a temple recommend if they are
found worthy. It's not easy to get this recommend because you must have lived
the Gospel and worked your way toward perfection as required by the Lord. Then you have an interview with the bishop and the stake president, and
if they think you are worthy, you will receive a temple recommend to enter the
holy temple. In there, your real learning begins and you can attain
unimaginable spiritual heights to become very near to God. That's why our
temples are very sacred and very holy. They are the universities of the Lord.
For all the speculators out there--I do not know for sure--but this is what I
think may have occurred:1. Marie and Stephen were married for time
and eternity the first time (in the 80's).2. Marie asked for a
Temple divorce (her sealing to be divorced)--but when this occurs, the child is
still sealed to his/her parents. She then married her second husband (as women
can only be sealed for time and eternity to 1 man) for time and eternity. I
think this is what occurred cause I believe the adopted children were sealed to
both of them (not sure--but think so).3. So--at this point, most
likely (again--not sure--but likely) Marie and Stephen would have been married
for TIME only. Notice--that is what Marie announced--stating something like she
hopes to spend her life time with Stephen (not eternity). Does that
help? And--nicely put. I think the Osmond's have done so much for the LDS faith.
I am especially grateful that more than one has discussed their mental
issues--as they are not alone in being LDS faithful and dealing with that
Mojules: I am asking at what point on the path to the Mormon CelestialHeaven do ordinary members learn the answers to questions such as thistopic? If they are learned in temple buildings then all of you herewho
have TR's should be able to explain first sealings, second sealingsand
re-sealings. Again, I ask...if the second husband...to whomMarie was
"sealed" had to give his permission for her to
"void""that sealing, then it is a religion of men. IF they
were stillsealed, then why do it again in the temple?Thanks
for any response
beatrice, Converts are people that have been baptized, investigators are those
that are being taught. After a year of being a member of the LDS church new
converts can go to the temple to do the ordinances there, however, before that,
they can go and do baptismal work for their ancestors. The temple is a very
sacred place and we do not discuss those things outside of the temple. I guess
you could kind of compare it to someone discussing their income or their
personal hygiene, there is a time and a place for those things to be talked
about. I have two brothers that were raised in the church, but left it in their
youth, neither of them have been to the temple. So it isn't how long a person
has been in the church, it is how involved they are in the church.
Not sure how the author feels so confident in discussing private matters of love
between two people he obviously hasn't met or even knows.Best wishes
to Marie and Steve, but I'll reserve any judgement on how this remarriage
exemplifies anything relative to their righteousness of personal struggles.Creepy that we, LDS folks, love to comment on the details of personal
lives of people we don't even know.
Great article. Thanks for your putting your thoughts, (and mine) so eloquently
MoJules: It is my understanding that converts do not findout the answers
to all such things until they arebaptized Mormon. Is that correct?
oldcougar, I didn't say I didn't want to read it, but I was surprised that the
writer was talking about other media exploiting Marie and yet that seemed to be
what he was doing. I would go a bit further about the sealing thing
with others asking, it really isn't their business. But in all
reality, when someone has fame and they put out things publicly, then people
will talk and speculate and ask questions. I mean what damage will it do to
have tongues wagging about your marriage and then releasing a CD that same week?
That show business.
My understanding is when you are sealed in the temple and then get a temple
divorce (which by the way is not easy) then you are free to be sealed to someone
else...which she did...then was divorced again...so my question would be, would
the 1st sealing be re-instated, or just do it all over again? Hmm. I know if a
Priesthood holder get ex communicated and then gets rebaptised his Priesthood is
re-instated. I wonder if this goes along the same lines. Idk. Doesn't matter
anyway. I just hope they have found what they were looking for. Good luck to
them and God bless.
@MoJules. Read it again. You missed the meaning and the tone badly. Oh, and if
you didn't want to read it, why did you?As for those who wonder how
and why and whether multiple sealings occur? I suggest trusting in the judgment
of the Lord. He'll work it out. Good men are in charge and seeking His will. All
will be well.Congrats, Marie and Steve.
So I am very happy for the public figure Marie Osmond and her marriage and hope
she will be happy. I am sorry for the public figure Marie Osmond's trials and
tribulations, which many times have been shared by she or her family to the
public. But Mr Williams, I don't get you, you put down the media for their
attention to and bringing up all the issues that have gone on in Marie's life,
my goodness, you covered a lifetime of all her past in two paragraphs. So do
you get an income from this article? So are you profiting by writing about
Steve and Marie and are you going to add a little more spice by bringing up all
Marie has gone through? I really had no desire to read about the marriage in
the LDS site, just to have it be a tabloid writing under the guise of the LDS
Dear Gosh,There are cancellations of sealings in rare cases when another
sealing is planned, if that makes sense. I stayed sealed to my abusive husband
after our civil divorce until such time as I was planning another sealing.
Gosh-DUH: If both parties are worthy, they can be married in the temple either
for time/and or eternity. It depends on the situation. My understanding of it,
and granted I don't have a perfect understanding of how it works, a second
marriage could be preformed in the temple but only for time unless the first
marriage for eternity has been broken. I'm not sure how that works though. But
in my little understanding, one would be sealed to their first spouse for
eternity, but not to their second. If one remarries the spouse they where sealed
to in the first place, well, I'm supposing that the eternity part is still
there. again, this is simply my understanding, if you really are
interested, talk with a local Stake President or Bishop, or I believe you can
call the Church Offices and someone there will be able to answer your question.
Well said. I offer my congratulations to the newlyweds.Signed,
temple marriage #2
Allen#1 - with all due respect, what does Bill Clinton have to do with anything?
Bill Clinton is not LDS, he is an admitted adulterer, and committed perjury to a
Grand Jury. There is no comparison to Marie's situation. Additionally, we have
nothing to "forgive" Marie of. She committed no sin against us. Any
transgressions that occurred in either of her previous marriages is between her,
her husband and the Lord. Was it really necessary to inject partisan politics
Good article. Marie and Steve are Forever Together - Again. It will be nice when
those who admire Marie will extend the same forgiveness to Bill Clinton.
Steve and Marie have current temple recommends of which I can only assume
they're worthy. That is all any of us can ask for as Latter-Day Saints and what
the Lord expects of us.The Lord looks forward and not back - so
Just wondering, how is it that Marie could be sealed for time and eternity 3
times in an LDS temple, to two different men.Steve Craig: Marie and
Steve were married on June 26, 1982 in Salt Lake City at the Mormon Temple. Marie, 27, and Brian, 33, were married on October 28, 1986. Their
wedding at the Jordan River Temple was officiated by Paul H. Dunn.
Great article! Thanks for sharing! I couldn't agree more! The media has so
much to say that's negative.....and little about the positive. Why? Because
people eat up the negative and use it to "justify" their own lives.
They feed on it! Like animals! My husband called to tell me about
Marie.....and my reaction was THAT IS WONDERFUL! Good for her! Good for their
son! What a joyful moment for all of them! I couldn't be happier for her.
I've loved the Osmonds ever since I can remember.....no, they aren't perfect,
no, I'm not perfect, thank goodness we all have the Atonement to help us through
life's difficult challenges....and hopefully in this world of negative sadness,
we can start to recognize things that are good! When we join in with "the
worldly" ways, we lose focus. Think on a higher level people! I add my
cheers "Here's to Marie and Steve"!!!!!! CONGRATULATIONS! You may
have lost a few years together....but a loving Father has given you eternity to
be together! How cool is that! :) I'm so happy for all of you!
Congratulations to Marie and Stephen. Second chances is what the gospel is
about. Without it none of us would make it. Great article. Much happiness to the
"But for Marie especially, the public spotlight seems to have had more than
its fair share..."While it may be true that she has had more
than her fair share of the public spotlight being focused on her and her many
trials and issues, you have got to admit that she has done more than most to
STAY in the public spotlight.If you seek to seriously be in the
public eye, you can't be surprised if thats what happens.
Congratulatios to Marie and Steve - they both looked gorgeous! I hope that they
share many, many years of happiness. The first time around, they were just too
Your comments reflect the way many of us feel. Thank you for expressing them so
well.We are grateful for the gospel. We appreciate the genuine effort of
each Osmond as he/she carries the banners of the Church and family values. We
are grateful that God is no respecter of persons, and that the atonement is for