"We have a number of constituents who have been frustrated and
inconvenienced and have been reminded multiple times how business unfriendly
this is." Senator, please define "number of
constituents" - 1? 2? Maybe even 3? Sen. Dayton, you have a "number
of constituents" who also believe that we should arrest Pres. Bush for war
crimes...if they beat down your door and made lots of noise would you cave to
them too? Even if the overwhelming majority disagreed with them?The
truth is, 67-75% of Utahns - depending on your poll - wanted to keep the 4/10
schedule. By that most relevant standard, our legislators clearly went against
the public's wishes. So, since we know that their desire to "serve the
public" by going back to a 5x8 workweek is obviously not the true reason,
as a voter I really want to know what the real reason was. 4x10 saved money.
State employees wanted it. The public supported it. So was it a
"constituent with campaign $$$" who didn't like it, or was this a
simple power play against the governor at the people's expense?
I am incredibly disappointed with our "representation" in this case.
They called a special session to push through legislation that has a negative
effect on the working taxpayer. They have wasted taxpayer money in calling this
session and have further wasted our money in overriding this veto.
Credible research shows that the 4-day workweek was positive, progressive and
cost efficient; three words that Utah legislators care little about. Public
opinion polls show over 75% of Utahns in favor of the 4-day week, but rather
than serve the public interest they served only their own. The only
winners here today are the lazy, the jobless and the procrastinator. Working
Utahs now have less access to State agencies as we are once again on the same
work schedule. Not sure what they hoped to accomplish here, but if they
were trying to serve the interests of those who voted them into office they have
failed in a spectacular fashion this day.
If State employees are not going to work a full 5 day week, why should anyone
FieryDarts and others have been reading too many conspiracy theory stories. This
is nothing more than democracy at work (and play). Thanks Gov for standing in
I don't understand why people hate the four day work week. Is it just jealousy?
People go on about how their taxes pay those salaries and seem to want to
establish a employer employee hierarchy yet at the same time want to be the boss
that everyone hates. If they're our employees don't we want to make them happy?
Wouldn't it serve our own best interest in keeping higher job satisfaction and
lower turnover rates?A four day work week is able to accommodate
more people's schedules so people typically don't have to take time off of their
own jobs, and it gives our 'employees' a 3 day weekend. How about
starting to think with the mindset of "How would I like my boss to treat
me?" instead of how can we make their lives more miserable.
For the sake of real government this is the first year in many decades that an
override session has really tackled so many bills, right of wrong I can't say on
many of them. The one that really gets in my craw is earmarking
1/3rd of taxes for years of to UDOT or any other single state agency, it denies
other areas of government their due right to available tax funds. We have seen
and witness the corruption and graft in UDOT and to designate this kind of
government as one of need is pure idiocy. Utah has a higher priority in
government than building new roads instead of repairing existing roads which is
what Utah really needs. Building buddy roads for friends that go nowhere is
criminal and wasteful to Utah's road repair needs.What would help
Utah's budget fund shortages would be to increase funds to the state tax
commission to go after criminal business that are committing tax fraud and not
paying their taxes. Recovering hundreds of millions of dollars lost taxes would
offset and make available untold millions to the state budget.
From the comments it doesn't sound like anyone cares about the convenience of
the 5 day work week versus the 4 day work week, they just want to stick it to
those lazy state workers.Nevermind the fact that most state workers
worked 4 tens prior to the change, and will continue to do so after the change.
It's not sticking it to anyone, just making people stagger their shifts a
little. Well, that and increasing air pollution, road congestion, and state
utility bills. But let's stick it to those lazy state workers.
Isn't it interesting the House Leader Lockhart suggests that they do not answer
to the executive branch, but they want the executive branch to run public
education -- so they can work better to accomplish "reform"? I
challenge you to read the new book - "The Mormon Rebellion - America's
First Civil War - 1857-1858" by David Bigler and Will Bagley -- then you
might understand the workings of our legislature who serves the "compound
constitutional republic" that is not a democracy.
It's good to know that our legislature can sneak things in so they can make sure
their constituents have no time to comment. Had I known my sneaky
Representative was going to sneak the 4-day workweek bill in, I might have had a
chance to send a comment one way or another. I guess he knows more than the
people he represents.
So the legislature is going to work on Saturday at a cost of $10,000 to the
taxpayers so they can show the governor who's boss. I wonder if they are really
representing the will of the people but I guess it doesn't matter because we are
a compound constitutional republic not a democracy and the people don't really
These staunch conservatives all want limited government, but they want limited
government 5 days a week, not 4!
Looks like our legislators are serious about "Starving the Beast" of
public education. Why do politicians in the state with the highest rate of
children want to attack the thing that educates 97% of our children (both
traditional public schools and charter schools)? Do they really hate our
children that much?
Gee, I am glad all these government workers who have commented here today, had
today off. I have an excuse, I'm retired after working 55 years to help pay
for all the government employees that can now arrive late in the morning, leave
early, and call it a four day week. At least they have voice mail, if they
will ever call you back. America, death by a million paper cuts.
Though I do find it funny that they couldn't muster enough votes to overturn the
4 day workweek bill ON A FRIDAY.Guess a lot of people took today
@Rifleman:Got any proof to back that up? Cite me one source.@MenaceToSociety:That is true of pretty much every company
in the US, whether they work 4 days or 7. The first and last hour of each
workday is lost to people fooling around... starting up in the morning or
getting ready to leave in the evening. Which, in a 5-day workweek, is 10 hours.
In a 4-day workweek only 8 hours are lost, which means 2 more hours of actual
work are done. I don't know anyone that works all 40 hours of the 40 hour
week.Plus, employees come in less stressed and more rested on Monday
because of the 3-day weekend, AND having Friday off gives them one more day to
go out and spend money which boosts the local economy. Also, they don't have to
take as much time off for appointments and the like, because they can be
scheduled on Friday.I wish more companies would go to a 4-10 week.
It doesn't have to be Friday off, it could be Monday off, it could be any day.
4 day work weeks are generally a complete scam. Most people I've worked with
over the years who go to a 4 day work week fudge their hours and do not come
close to working 40 hour weeks. They start counting their lunch as time worked.
Then they start going to breakfast and count that as time worked. When they
are in the office early in the morning before management arrives, they do no
work. They hang out, talk, read the internet, everything but work. Sometimes I
wonder if they start counting their commute as time worked. I've seen it at
several companies. The company ends up paying these people for a 40 hour week
when they're probably working closer to 30 - 35 hours per week... or less.4 day work weeks are generally a scam. Get rid of them.
So which losing bidder will get the first $13 million check from this new UDOT
This is a real black eye for Utah... Screams EXTREMISM in the legislature.
The governor was quite right to veto the road funding bill. By vetoing it, he's
not preventing the money from being used for road building or repair, but he's
leaving the option open to spend it on other things if the need is greater. Do
we really think that we know best right now where the needs will be so many
years in the future?
If the four day school week couldn't work for rural Utah; then why do they think
it work for the rest of the state agencies.
The legislature can't override HB 116 because they already voted to approve it,
and the governor signed it. There was no veto, therefore no override.Now if HB 116 gets repealed and the governor vetoes that, then the legislature
could override that veto and do away with the law.(I wouldn't worry
about that too much if I were you. HB 116 requires federal cooperation
including a change in immigration rules, and the federal government has been
unwilling to accept state-level immigration reform of any sort. Even if it went
into effect, it would effectively be a way of registering illegal immigrants
without giving them a real path to legitimacy, so many immigrants would be
understandably reluctant to participate.)
@gizmo33Yeah, thank goodness they have to work 8 hours a day 5 days a week
instead of the 4 10 hour days they had been working. Thank goodness that instead
of being able to make it to government places before or after work, you'll have
to take time off work to go to those places instead.Thank Goodness!
It is a proven fact that given the same amount of hours more work will be
accomplished in a 5 day work week than in a 4 day work week. There
are a lot of workers in the private sector that work 10-hours days ...... 5 days
a week, and they will applaud our legislators when it comes time to vote again.
@mdSdd3..."I am tiered of the powerful teachers union garbing
all the money that is coming in."How exactly does the powerful
teacher's union garb up money? What agency pays the teacher's union?
mkSdd3: "I am very glad to see that funds will be earmarked for road
construction. Our roads are in very bad disrepair, and I am tiered of the
powerful teachers union garbing [sic] all the money that is coming in."Glad, huh? Don't want the powerful teachers union garbing all the
money?Final question: What gives you the confidence that in 5, 10,
20 years, Utahns will be using roads the same way they do now?
Very, very disappointing. Do they think we aren't watching?
Time for a lawsuit. I guarantee we will see one on the funding
We will remember this vote in the costly gas future when we are staring out the
windows of our crowded buses at the vast, mostly vacant freeways thinking about
all the useful things we could have done with that money.But mostly
I hope we remember it the next time we see our incumbent representative's name
on the ballot.
So much for progress. Guess I can kiss the less stressful friday commute
goodbye. I hope everyone remembers this vote when we have Code Red
air quality days this summer.
I am glad that both of these vetoes have been overridden. I think government
services should be available even of Fridays.I am very glad to see
that funds will be earmarked for road construction. Our roads are in very bad
disrepair, and I am tiered of the powerful teachers union garbing all the money
that is coming in. These representatives are representing the
majority of the people in these 2 cases. Now We will start to hear from a very
vocal minority about the poor decisions of our legislature.
lets hear it for the 5 day work week yippppppieeeeeee ! everybody else has to
work 5 days a week
where is the over-ride of HB 116? Its been defeated in every caucus.....time to
throw every incumbant out who voted for hb 116!
Egos at work!!! That is the only explanation for the attempt to override the
vetos.I think it is time that we get rid of the egos in our
legislature and put in some regular citizens with a lot more common sense than
what our present politicians have.
I, for one, am hoping the 4-day work week gets tossed. Wouldn't it be poetic
justice for the overriding of the Governor's veto to occur on a Friday? Justice
None of the elected officials actually listen to the people anymore. They're
either in the pockets of the church, UDOT or big business. All they want to do
is raise taxes raise taxes raise taxes. There is plenty of money to go around as
it is, it just needs to be used intelligently instead of squandered on idiotic
projects that take years to complete and may never pay off. They
spend their time debating immigration and alcohol sales when they should be
working on ways to attract new business to the state, create jobs and increase
funding to education.
Who are these so called representatives representing? Time and again they have
overwhelmingly, and often sneakily, pushed policy that is strongly opposed by
the people they presumably represent.The theme of the next election should
be "Did your incumbent representative actually represent you?"