We let in 2.4 million people legally the past two years. We did not create 2.4
million new jobs, did we? If their ideas had merit, there would be no
unemployment, as people out of work would be able to create new jobs.
One wonders who in this group is involved with Human trafficking and the
smuggling of migrants?
Just another story of obfuscate the issue and paint those opposed to illegal
immigration as opposed to all immigration. As soon as I read that Shurtleff was
on the panel, I knew it was a puppet show.
Those here illegally working have a job because they will take less than a
citizen. If you make them legal, the business owners will just fire them and
hire newly arrived illegal immigrants. We have unlimited agriculture
visas, but business will not use them because they have to provide housing and
medical care. Requiring business to live up to those responsibilities is
compassion, yet the "compassion" folks ignore that obvious solution.
You can't reward illegal behavior, it will just encourage more.
Those that come for the jobs were temp workers, the jobs are gone, and it's time
for them to leave. It's the only acceptable option that is fair to everyone.
I think this is a pretty reasonable plan. A firm and secure border is essential
if we have to use the National guard. One this is in place then we process
illegals here. Probably most should be allowed to stay, but not felons.
@DeltaFoxtrotAre you suggesting that we should stop trying to
enforce our laws or that it's too idealistic a notion that we believe in the
rule of law? I really don't understand your point. Its the same
type of government entities that bailed out Wall Street that are also attempting
to bail out illegals. They are people that are subservient to special interests
instead of those that elected them into office. It needs to change and we the
people have the power to change it. I can only hope that the Dnews is not
successful in its amnesty for illegals campaign and that come 2012 we have many
more Bob Bennett moments to celebrate.
I can understand why Marriott would allow his name to be associated with this
group. After all, paying chamber maids and busboys as little as possible is the
name of the game.But Mike Winder? I suddenly lost a great deal of respect
for him. Sure WVC has a high Hispanic population, but I thought he was above
"If you can't beat 'em, join 'em"
I think that these so called citizens of the United States are either stupid or
uncaring. Probably they are both. These people being quoted in this Newspaper
Article do not know what illegal immigration has done to the middle class, nor
do the care. Their pockets are lined and are pockets are empty.
This is so ridiculous it is laughable and I must say I am not surprised in the
least to see Shurtleff in the middle of it somewhere. Why don't you start in the
construction industry and ask all the Americans who used to work in that
industry how many jobs they think "immigrants have created"? Then ask
kids who can't get a job at a fast food place about the huge surplus of jobs
there. No one says anything about the fact that these wonderful immigrants are
bankrupting hospitals, school systems, and state treasuries wherever they go. I
can't believe this article even made it into print but then again, it is
absolutely in line with the DN amnesty campaign. Everyone who is yelling
"amnesty" on HB116 and every other silly similar proposal is doing us
all a great public service, they are calling it what it is and pulling it out
from behind the rock that all these people are trying to hide it behind.
Mayor Bloomberg is a open border advocate for the US chamber of commerce. Their
intention is to keep the country flooded with low income workers. We
have over a million people coming here legally each year. Some are already
highly skilled. But we have highly skilled workers already in this country out
of work.Business has flooded the low skilled workers in this country
for years through illegal immigration. It's reduced everyone wages. Now they
want to flood the high skilled positions and do the same to them. This countries biggest enemy is us if we don't start speaking up and demand
laws be enforced.
@Hunt:"In the United States of America we DO NOT reward
lawbreakers."What United States of America are you living in?
What do you think happened when we bailed out Wall Street? All those people who
had been engaged in shady and illegal business practices got a free ticket. Our
society is all about rewarding people who find ways to break the rules.
Thank you, Nina.To quote Dr. Barry Chiswick, Economics Professor at the
University of Illinois-Chicago..."Australia, Canada, and New Zealand
have very successful skill-based immigration policies where the primary question
for applicants is, What are your skill levels? How well will you integrate into
the economy?"Our immigration policy is based on the question,
To whom are you related? And can you successfully enter the county illegally?
Those are the two primary determinants of who gets an immigration visa."
The dude from Bloomberg is right...The Illegals create Jobs here in
America....JOBS for ICE, Border Patrol, Police Officers....we just can't get the
Govt to enforce the laws that would allow these workers to do the job Americans
want them to do!Throw Obama, Herbert and the Amnesty crowd out of
Doug10, you are mistaken to believe advanced degrees lead to green cards. There
are only three ways to get green cards - sponsorship by a relative, sponsorship
by an employer or an investment of 1/2 million dollars that creates 10 or more
jobs.There is no fast track for smaller investors, in fact, there's
no track at all!I bought a small business in order to live and work
here (E2 visa). I employ 11 U.S. citizens, but I and my family can NEVER become
citizens. If my business fails or I want to retire, my family and I have to
leave. Our lives are full of uncertainty and we cannot plan our future.America needs a points system like most other developed countries for
immigration. If you are healthy, educated, skilled, experienced, have no
criminal record, can support yourself etc., you get points. A certain number of
points gets you in, not the fact that you happen to have a relative here any may
never even contribute to the economy.Americans say they welcome
legal immigrants, but it's almost impossible to immigrate here legally. That's
why you have such a massive illegal alien problem.
John C C, please do not attempt to suggest that immigration can save Social
Security.Massive immigration levels since 1980 and the effect of
their US-born dependents only changes the dependency ratio (workers vs.
beneficiaries) by 3 tenths of one percent.Even the Census Bureau in
their Working Paper #38 explains it is mathematically impossible to do so.Why? Well, immigrants come here as adults, have children and work in
low-income jobs. And everyone grows older.The Earnings Suspense
File cannot begin to save Social Security, so illegal aliens are no help
either.But, torture the numbers and theyll confess to anything.
"People believe immigrants are taking jobs right now. But we can change
that."You are absolutely correct. We CAN change that. It is
illegal to be in our country illegally. Let's start right there, and keep all
illegals out of the USA and deport those who have sneaked their way in
illegally.It isn't rocket science, it is a pretty simple solution
Green card for advanced degrees, fast track for those with business and
capital...sounds like the existing law to immigrate to USA.There are
plenty of people from other countries who already qualify but are now waiting
becasue they didn't break the lawy and come here illegally.Pakistan
harbored bin laden, in Utah we harbor other criminals, those that break the law
in getting here and our jails are full of others who continue to break it once
they are here.
Most unskilled laborers who come to the US usually take jobs in different
sectors than those filled by unskilled US citizens. For the few jobs they do
take away from unskilled US workers, they create even more jobs in two ways:1. Their and their families' spending stimulates our economy. Even the
money they send back home helps them become bigger consumers of US exports.2. They need management. Every new crew of blue-collar guest workers
creates job openings for white-collar management and support.The
more people we can put to work, the better. Guest workers provide a ready
supply of workers who don't require that we put them through elementary and
secondary schools first. If they choose to raise children here, we finally have
a partial solution to the looming disaster awaiting Social Security. Their
children fill the void of working citizen contributors that we baby boomers
failed to raise.Win. Win. Win. We win, the guest workers win, and
their native countries win. That's the beauty of allowing the free flow of
labor to follow supply and demand.We will make compassion legal
This story is just that: a story. I have lost my job to illegal alien invaiders
and what work I can get is at 1980 wage scale. Welcome to the construction
industry and the impact of illegal immigration.
"The second you start talking about people start yelling amnesty and the
debate shuts down."There is no debate here. That is what is so
frustrating. In the United States of America we DO NOT reward lawbreakers.
That is what third world countries do and that is why they are generally run by
a corrupt government and their population languishes in poverty. I wonder
how many immigrants trying to do it the legal way would absolutely love the
sweetheart deal the Utah government and the special interest "string
pullers" are trying to give to its predominantly hispanic in-state
illegals. 2500 dollars and this special class of people get to stay
indefinitely with a "get out of jail free" card. I've said it many
times, HB116 is institutional racism, providing favor to one class and race of
people over all others. These so called "heavy hitters" are
completely detached from reality. They want a debate but they are so far left
of where the country is that it is a complete non-starter. Obviously it will
take a defeat at the polls before they get a clue.
One only needs to study the impact of our immigration policy from 1924 to 1965
to understand that we CAN bring job creators into our economy and create a
favorable situation in the process.But it does not follow that importing
needy people from the third world whose main qualification is that they are
related to someone already here is a good idea.A tight labor market will
raise wages and benefit our own citizens. Flooding the market with immigrants
and illegal aliens will suppress wages. (Note: Who does this expert
represent?)There are some good sources for information on economic
impact.George Borjas, "Still the Golden Door" and Vernon Briggs,
"A Rogue Labor Market Policy."
The only way foreigners should be brought into the US on work visas is if it can
be shown that they fit some niche that is presently not being served, that they
are paid at or above the average wage that would be given to a US citizen or
resident, and that the foreigner will not be dependent on the US Government. In
other words, businesses should not look at foreign workers as cheap labor and
undercut the wages of legal citizens and residents. If a business can't survive
in the US under our existing wages, then it is likely to be a business we can do