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Published: Wednesday, May 4 2011 6:12 p.m. MDT

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Cedarite
Cedar City, UT

And Chris Buttars is a hot air and gaffe machine, is a hot air and gaffe machine, is a hot air and gaffe machine.

Silence Dogood
Caliente, NV

Now we need to hunt them to extinction. That is one animal we'd be better off without. They are dangerous, they do significant damage, and they are incompatible with humans, wildlife, and domestic animals. It was a completely stupid move to ever "reinstate" them in the first place.

attentive
Salt Lake City, UT

This is all about hand holding with beef growers who know darned well that wolves are not attacking their cattle. They just want free and total run of all BLM land. Land that I pay taxes for and cannot use because I don't run livestock.

Erich
Lake Oswego, OR

Funny how Wyoming excluded from the list once again. Is it because they have the correct wolf management program?

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

There was a time when the government paid a bounty on wolves. Apparently we didn't learn from our past experience with animals.

Am I supposed to believe they won't kill sheep and elk?

Belching Cow
Sandy, UT

@attentive
You can use BLM land for camping, hiking and stuff like that. Didn't you know that?

How do you know wolves are not attacking their cattle? Wolves do kill calves and can make quite a dent in the calf crop. Even coyotes kill calves on occasion. Why would ranchers just make up stories about wolves if they didn't harm their livelihood?

runwasatch
Ogden, UT

@Silence Dogood:

Please provide proof of your statements.

The historical record will show that the Wolves lived just fine with native americans and other indigineous peoples... so the human incompatibility statement is false.

The record will also show that there is no documented human death from a wolf attack...so you're off base again.

The wolves only hunt to eat and didn't move to where the beef is...the beef is delivered to their doorstep...seems the humans are the problem.

There are more wild animals - deer, elk, etc. - killed annually in the Western US by human hunters (who kill the biggest and strongest for a wall mount) than by wolves (who kill the weak and diseased making the herd stronger).

Even more killed by cars and trucks.

More damage is done to the environment by you and your buddy's ATVs, trucks, and be the cattle themselves than the wolves could possibly manage in 100 lifetimes...so again reality is conveniently distorted to fit your agenda.

If the amount of damage done and degree of ecological incompatability are the determining factors in the decision about intentional extiction...open range cattlemen should have been hunted out long ago.

Clarissa
Layton, UT

I didn't know we even had any wolves in Utah. Where are they? I think they're cool! I also want them controlled, but if we don't have any, why are we worried? If they do come, unless they are here already, I think the Uinta Wilderness Area would be the correct spot for them. Can anyone give me some information on Utah wolves?

StrizzleUTE
Richfield, Utah

I think you guys are all nuts, there was a reason the pioneers got rid of them, they are "killing machines". In a perfect world, where humans could manage the wolf population, wolves would only kill the sick and the old. However, too many environmentalists that would end up being eaten if they brought their logic up with a wolf, think that we should never kill wolves and that they'll live in harmony with all the other animals in the forest.

Wrong!

The Yellowstone elk heard has dropped 70% in the last fifteen years. There were 2000 fewer elk last year than the year before. Did you guys know that hunting is not allowed in Yellowstone? so who could have done this? partially grizzly bears, but the majority of it is being done by wolves brought into the park in 1995.

Wolves are a great predator and are needed in the balance of nature, but what we need to remember is that we're part of nature also and we need to manage the wolf populations.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

I can't wait until I get the opportunity to kill a wolf.

BOY BLUE
South Salt Lake, UT

By the same token, human beings are becoming endangered species. We are not allowed to drill for oil, we have to hold our breaths to keep from polluting our air with carbon dioxide, and so on.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Cross off one more stereo type about this administration that a certain crowd has been propagating. For being branded Anti-Gun, Anti-Hunting, Anti-Defense, the administration has not been keeping with many want to believe is their agenda. Guns are allowed in more places now, they just added wolfs back to the hunting list as prescribed by - gasp - the states, and we can clearly see this administration is not anti national defense.

So lets get back to arguing about the issues where there is real differences - debt, healthcare and the like, and stop the over generalizations that have been proven time and again to be incorrect.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: runwasatch | 3:23 p.m. May 4, 2011

The historical records prove that there was once a bounty placed on wolves by the government that regarded them as pests. History seems to have a habit of repeating itself.

Theeng2
Holladay, UT

I was snowmobiling in the Uintas and thought I heard some wolves, almost positive because coyotes have more of a winey wimpy howl, but this was a deep loud howl.

byronbca
Salt Lake City, UT

In the history of the United States there have been 3 people killed by wolves. A father and son were killed in N Dakota in 1888 and Candice Berner was killed while jogging in Alaska in 2010.

An animal that has killed only 3 people in 300 years is hardly a blood thirsty killer. In the last 20 years I found 3 people who were attacked and killed during deer attacks in the US. That's right folks more people are attacked and killed by cute little fuzzy deer than those vicious killing machines the wolves.

And for you hunters out there, every single study ever done in the history of mankind has shown that deer and elk herds are more healthy when wolves are in the area. Look it up.

People want wolves killed for one reason only: to protect livestock. But I refuse to believe that the only solution to protecting the rancher's bottom line from wolves is wolf extermination.

byronbca
Salt Lake City, UT

Re StrizzleUte:

Here is a quote from the USA today about recent elk population declines that proves your theory is bogus.

"In an analysis in the current edition of the ecology journal Oikos, for example, Vucetich and park service colleagues examined weather, hunting and wolves as factors in the elk decline. Yellowstone has had seven years of drought and a severe winter in 1997 that killed many elk.

They found that weather and hunting are mostly to blame.

Biologist Mark Boyce of Canada's University of Alberta and colleagues reach similar conclusions in an upcoming paper in the journal EcologicalModeling. Montana increased the "hunter harvest" quota on elk that leave Yellowstone grounds, issuing a higher-than-ever 2,882 hunting permits in 2000. A decline in the elk herd was thus guaranteed, Boyce says, even if wolves were not present."

You should read the whole article so you can have a clue as to the affects that wolves have on Yellowstone's elk herds.

StrizzleUTE
Richfield, Utah

RE:Byronbca

I read your article, For starters, check the date of things you read, alot can change in 6 years. I got my information from the national park website dated Jan2011. Park service along with help from the USGS USFS and the Montana F&G have determined that.

"Predation by wolves and grizzly bears is cited as the major reason for the decline in elk numbers. Wolves in northern Yellowstone prey primarily on elk. Also, predation on newborn elk calves by grizzly bears may limit the elk populations ability to recover from these losses."

They do also cite the drought of the early 2000's as being a factor, and being an elk hunter and seeing the effect of that drought on elk in Southern Utah, I believe it. But with no drought in the last 6 years, how do you explain a drop of 6000 elk?

Estimating that there were 13,000 elk in 2000, 3000 tags seems about right with proper bull cow ratios. Also that doesn't take into count the number of elk in the Montana Unit.

Wolves have no predators except humans. If we want them, we have to manage them.

byronbca
Salt Lake City, UT

I agree 100% that wolves should be managed, managed not exterminated. They have a right to live just like any other of god's creatures. If we can't find a way to live beside them then we have failed as stewards of the land.

In answer to your question here's another quote from your NPS story: "the wolf population on the northern range inside Yellowstone National Park has dropped from 94 wolves in 2007 to 37 wolves in 2010. Biologists suspect predator numbers may be responding somewhat to the decline in the elk population."

Mother Nature is inconsistent, large elk herds aren't necessarily healthy elk herds. We should be more concerned with healthy ecosystems than more huntable ecosystems, especially in national parks. As this study shows as elk populations decrease in one area so will wolf populations.

It should be noted that both the articles we are quoting deal almost exclusively to the Upper Lamar Valley of Yellowstone and do not reflect what's going on throughout the entire park.

My2Cents
Kearns, UT

An appropriate action for a change. Much of the original prey of the wolves has gone extinct so management is the proper course of action just as they do with the mustangs, buffalo, deer, and elk. Small prey has disappeared so now the wolves are forced to hunt larger animals that don't replenish as quickly as birds, pheasants, geese, rabbits or badgers, etc. that once roamed this valley.

It had to be done or face them on our streets and in our neighborhoods.

Old Gregg
Alpine, UT

All I can say is it's about time! whooo whooo!

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