One bill interferes with federal power and authority over immigration, and the
other three don't? Perfect example of the dishonesty in the illegal
I'm a legal citizen of the USA and I have to carry my "papers" with me
all the time... it's called a drivers license. I used my birth certificate and
other documents to obtain it and it proves my legal status. I see no reason
that anyone should have a problem carrying legal proof that they can be here.
This is just another example that the ACLU just likes to make money for their
attorneys by filing stupid law suits.
We need to find the ACLU members addresses and sent the illegals to live by
They just won $300000 from Weld cty over the DA seizing papers when they went
into a tax filing office due to alot of illegals filing to get refund; many of
which were fraud. Hope UT fairs better.ACLU doesnt care that
Americans are being hurt; just want to make sure illegals are treated better
then US Citizens.Legal residents of the US are required to carry
their papers all the time too like US citizens. Imagine what happens if you
forget your purse / wallet with it in it and you get pulled over? Do they let
you go? will the ACLU help you? not likely.
I agree whole-heartedly. I have to show my "papers" to get a job, to
buy smokes, alchahol, traffic stops so on and so forth. My wife, a LEGAL
Immigrant from Romania, has to have her "A" number (permanent resident
card) that we had to pay over $800 dollars for, on her person at all times. If
we move, we have to pay through the nose to change her address legally on her
card. we have worked hard to get to where we are today. i am not saying
that the illegals do not do that, BUT, unlike them, I could not get help from
the state/government when I was out of work because my wife is not a baby
factory, nor is she illegal. It is a shame. I work so hard all my life so that I
could have a retirement, but because of the costs going out to the illegals who
DO NOT pay their bills, I may never be able to retire. Not to mention my kids
and grandkids definately will never be able to get any form of help at
retirement age because of the illegal situation.
"The lawsuit alleges the law is unconstitutional because it interferes with
federal power and authority over immigration. The suit also claims it allows
unreasonable seizures and arrests in violation of the Fourth Amendment."Thats because your illegal you have no rights if your illegal and don't
pay taxes or vote.
Re: "ACLU Files Lawsuit . . . ."What a shock! The ACLU
filing a lawsuit whose sole purpose is to aid lawbreakers and hinder enforcement
of a valid and important law?Who'da thought?The ACLU has
surpassed its stereotype.
The ACLU is one of the greatest defender of the Constitution in the United
States.If you truly believe the Constitution is inspired, you would
become a paying member of the ACLU.
Those two groups were not the only ones who filed the suit. Actions
toward the enforcement side of the law, while leaving the guest worker
provisions alone will only build greater resentment. Compassion for
law breakers while being hurtful to legal citizens and immigrants is not
compassion. Compassion comes by teaching people to do things the right way, so
that they continue doing it the rest of their lives.
This is so funny to me, because I thought what we passed was so close to amnesty
that I am really having a hard time with it -- I'm trying, but not so good with
me yet. Trying to be civil and understanding. Just a very good point that
neither side will ever be saisified with anything other than our full way.So thank you ACLU, I'm going back to my nothing expect for deportion and
coming back in the front door.
This is going to be a very long, hard battle. Basically it is a struggle to
enforce the law in the least expensive way possible. The problem is.. illegal
aliens are immediately thought to be Hispanics, and the Hispanics are working as
hard as they possibly can to be identified as a separate race, and a race that
is discriminated against.If we do not move forward now to enforce
the law, things will only get more difficult, and I do believe Mexico as well as
those groups in the United States that support illegal aliens in country, are
paying the money to get the law suits in place. I think that is important
because those law suits do not express the will of the people. In turn, it may
become important that the will of the people be expressed, and we may wind up
with a vote on the issue of illegal aliens. I would welcome that.. and very
The ACLU is a joke....Everyone gets asked for their drivers license,
proof of insurance and registration.....Proof positive you are here
legally....drivers card, no insurance, Mexican
Registration.....youre' not, go home!
I wish the ACLU success. People who look as if they might be illegal will be put
under an increased burden that other won't have to put up with. It isn't fair.
Hold-on! Think about what is being said to those who are here illegally . .
.because you are illegal you have no rights . . That is un-American to say.
Americans believe all persons have certain rights. Yes, citizens have more
rights such as voting etc. and legal residents have many rights but that does
not negate all rights we recognize in the US to those here illegally. Lets work
together for a solution that includes the combination of the rule of law and
compassion. Expressions of hatred in the form of denying all rights will get us
I have to wonder how racial profiling by police officers can be an intelligent
thought to even entertain. How many officers are of Hispanic descent? Does
anyone have the audacity to suggest that a person of one culture would
intentionally profile someone of his or her own skin color or ethnic
characteristics? The proposed laws do NOT focus on nor would they lead to
racial profiling; people would be retained if they were appearing to commit an
illegal act. LOOKING illegal wouldn't be part of any of the good laws - DOING
something illegal would.
You see the rub is--they are NOT citizens, therefore are not protected under OUR
constitution, that is only reserved for LEGAL residents. I have all the
compassion in the world for those trying to better themselves, but when they
cheat and steal to accomplish that end, I lost any respect I had. If you want to
be here so badly, do it the right and honest way, instead of butting in line of
those who may be in the same situation, but want to follow the rule of law! How
hard is it for people to understand that if they are here, they need to follow
the USA's laws. If not, LEAVE!Furthermore, these "rights"
are for citizen's, not illegal aliens who are breaking our laws! I have to carry
around my license every time I get in a car and drive. When I show my credit
card, guess what, out comes my license! The police don't target just one race,
they target everyone, as it should be!
A guy gets pulled over for going 85 miles an hour in a 45 MPH speed zone. The
police radar the man, and pull him over for speeding. The man turns to the
police officer and says "you pulled me over because I am Latino didn't
you?" The police officer responds, "no, I pulled you over because you
were going 40 MPH over the speed limit sir."I am so sick and
tired of the race card! It is illegal to be in the United States illegally. Utah
and Arizona realize that basic concept, and they are trying to do something
about it.Is the ACLU going to now sue our own federal government
because we killed Osama Bin Laden and didn't give him a fair trial? Give me a
The ACLU has a left wing agenda, which is to destroy our freedoms by destroying
our rule of law. Americans should all get together and file a class action suit
against THEM for aiding and abetting criminals. If the illegals
don't like the fact that Utah is going to enforce our immigration laws, which
the feds will NOT do, then they are free to go back to mexico. It's not like
they will be missed.
The ACLU loses most of their cases that go to court. They get most of
their "victories" by intimidation. People are intimidated by the cost
of a law suit.This is why we need loser pays. If we had loser pays
the ACLU would go bankrupt and people would not be afraid of defending
to: Rocket ScienceIt is not un-american to say, illegals should not have
any rights, they take our money for welfare, and other things that can help out
Are you for the rule of law or not?The immigration issue makes it
very easy to divide people into two camps:a. Those who support the
rule of law and the enforcement of laws (including immigration laws), and
prosecution of people who break the laws.b. Those who favor only
selective enforcement of laws, and total disregard of some laws.It
is easy to see where people fall on this issue, and it is utterly disgusting
that some who claim to defend our Constitution, or are public servants elected
to uphold the law are so blatantly advocating breaking the laws.Please, AG Holder, AG Shurtleff, ACLU, La Raza and friends- what laws can
U.S. citizens, Anglos and legal immigrants choose to ignore. Will
you defend my "right" to ignore all income tax laws and traffic laws?
If not, why not? Why would you discriminate against legal U.S. citizens who
want to disobey laws?Why can only illegal immigrants get to disobey
laws with impunity?Are you for the rule of law or not?
My only problem with this bill is that I wish it would simply verify the
citizenship of EVERYONE pulled over. If the ACLU has a problem with that, then
I hope they work on preventing the authorities from looking to see if there I
have any existing on me when I get pulled over.
"Alicia Cervantes fears Utah's new illegal immigration enforcement law will
subject her to police questioning because she is Latina."Why is
that a problem? I am subjected to police questioning just because I want to get
on a plane. We need a new law that will require police to question every single
person in America! That should put an end to the whining since there is no
The problem with putting people into internment camps during WW2 was the law
didn't fall equally on all people. If it had many patriotic white families would
have been interned just as many patriotic Japanese were.Has this
unjust law impacted the larger society people wouldn't have stood for it. It
would have been overturned.This is why the Utah law shouldn't stand.
It is likely people will be treateddifferently because of race and since
the burden and indignity will fall on only a few, there will never be an
accurate risk vs reward evaluation of the law by those with the power to change
I'd rather spend the money to file a law suit against the ACLU for just being a
cancer to the country.
Sooo, don't do stuff that will get you arrested or booked into jail and you
won't have to prove your immigration status. Read the story, that is the ONLY
time they will do as much. Sounds fair to me. I have to verify my license and
registration every time I'm pulled over - no discrimination here, ACLU.
Another Perspective, we were not at war with others except Germany. Things are
done in times of war that we later regret. That's why it's important that we
start enforcing our laws before this invasion gets so out of hand that it causes
violence. Illegal immigration has caused it in other countries the past few
years. This law is identical to the Federal law Secure Communities
passed in 2007. It requires that all people that are arrested have their
immigration status checked, and those here illegally turned over to ICE. A police officer has every right to verify your identity, no matter
where you are, and to hold you until your identity can be verified.
I did not know the constitution reserved the right to verify citizenship to its
self? Where is it in the constitution?
I don't feel sorry for the participants in this Foreign Insurgency called
Owlmaster2 said"The ACLU is one of the greatest defender of the
Constitution in the United States.If you truly believe the
Constitution is inspired, you would become a paying member of the ACLU."Owlmaster's statement is as true as saying Adolph Hitler was the
greatest peacemaker the world has ever seen.
Thank goodness for the ACLU!!! :)
"Illegal" There's the key word.
Everytime people question the laws constitutionality, I see the hypocrisy over
the three guest worker bills that obviously intrude on the Federal governments
powers. Notice the Federal government did not challenge it. The
parts of Arizona's that were block were removed. Repeal HB 116. This
rewarding lawbreakers and being stopped from enforcing out laws has left a bad
taste in my mouth. Time was when a man was measured by his honesty.
The main reason the feds don't uphold the illegal immigration law is simple,
Obama needs the votes. With or without illegals, inmates, and every other stunt
pulled off by ACORN, Obama WON'T be reelected in 2012. The land of those
yearning to breath free has awakened!
Gosh, had we all joined the ACLU like U of U former President Young had
suggested would this be a problem???Yet another issue that the ACLU
adopts that's squarely opposed to the views of the majority and general common
The ACLU, National Immigration Law Center, Utah Coalition of La Raza and the
Latin American Chamber of Commerce need to let America enforce it's immigration
laws and stop encouraging illegal immigration. Their honoring our
laws is part of the solution. On their website the National
Immigration Law Center says this is a show me your papers during traffic stops
law. That's misleading. It requires the person to be put under arrest for a
felony or some misdemeanors.
If Utah followed the Consitution, then they have nothing to worry about, right?
You only have to worry about having porper documentation if you are a citizen
who regularly breaks the law. If you do not break the law, you do not have to
worry. The claim that statements by children in school are
justification for suing to stop a law is the stupidest one I have ever read.
How about 50 governors waking up and filing a law suit against the Federal
Government for not doing its job. In fact how about them telling the Feds that
since they will with hold funds if a state dont comply to certain regulations
for some programs, that all 50 states will with hold all Federal tax dollars
until the Feds do what they should do on immigration. Sounds fair to me.
"Yet another issue that the ACLU adopts that's squarely opposed to the
views of the majority and general common sense."The majority
isn't always right.
When I was in Mexico 14 years ago, I took my identification (driver's license
and/or birth certificate copy) with me every time I went out in public if it was
any farther than two miles away from my host's home--in essence, every time
traveling required any motorized transportation. So really I don't see what the
ACLU has against Utah's proposed law. I would rather the ACLU sue Utah over not
appropriating funds to double the number of English classes, because it would be
nice, as a former English major with experience teaching basic English, to
actually make a decent wage teaching English on the side.
"The law requires police to verify the immigration status of people
arrested for felonies and class A misdemeanors and those booked into jail on
class B and class C misdemeanors. It also says officers may attempt to verify
the status of someone detained for class B and class C misdemeanors."Sounds like they only have to worry about it when they are being put in
jail for breaking ANOTHER law. Like many above have already said it's not that
hard to carry around a drivers licence millions do it every day! Why are people
trying so hard to keep criminals from getting caught?
If any hispanic doesn't like the fact that some might think they are illegal
when they are not, then stop aiding and abetting your illegal friends in their
law breaking activities and help get rid of the illegal presence in our state.
"The majority isn't always right."In this case the
majority is right!
I believe that the ACLU is getting just like the churches are they want to give
as much as they can to help the illegals. If they are here illegally than it's
simple go back to were you came from and enter this country the legal way. I am
getting tired of the illegals getting all the free schooling for their children,
free medical and food stamps and what ever else they can get. Their are a lot of
U.S. citizens out of work and having a hard time. I believe that most of the
bills passed by the State of Utah will cost the good people of that state a lot
of money in these lawsuits that are being filed, to benifit the illegals in this
state. Wake up people and smell the coffee, before it's to late.
If the ACLU is against it, then it must be a good thing.
When submitting an application for a job recently the employer demanded my
original SS card denying a photocopy, wanted to see my original state
teachingcertificate and driver's license and I have been teaching 40+
years.Put the ACLU in uniform and send them to the middle east.
Oops, forgot. About 20 years ago someone suggested a buy back program wherein
600,000 attorneys would be paid to take a different occupation. Kind of a tort
reform where we should begin with the ACLU.
I dont care who you are if your here legally then have a good life. if your not
here legally then take the appropreite steps and become a legal resident and
all is fine with me. if not then I feel there is proper steps should be taken.
I was born in France we came to America and filed for citizenship immediately
and got it and learned the English language and the American way of life . I
served in the U.S Army for 22 years. so I dont want to hear stories of how
difficult it is to become a citizen because I went through it to and its not
that hard at all. and I defended this country while in uniform and would do it
It seems to me that if I am arrested for a "Crime", I expect the
police will see if there is an outstanding arrest warrant. This is common sense
to see if a suspect is already wanted for a similar offense. That might not be
fair if I only committed a traffic violation. The same thing
applies to immigration status. I had a neighbor witness her car being stolen.
She identified him in a mug book, meaning he had done other crimes. At his
trial, he had a translator for a language other than Spanish. He was convicted
and sent to prison. He was released and the words "deportation" where
never spoken. If the Utah law changes this, I applaud it.
It's scripture: Our southern brethern are going to take over the country. All
this quibbling won't matter much in the long run.
When I lived in Ireland, I had to take my immigration card with me everywhere I
went, and usually my passport too, so I could prove that I was in the country
legally, and believe me, I had to use them fairly often to prove my immigration
status. What's the big deal? Nearly every other country in the world requires
this, and nobody throws hissy fits over it when they do it.
Propagandists know that if a lie is repeated enough, the average person
eventually will come to accept it as fact. In a false claim of moral authority
-- which presumes to dictate to the rest of us what we are supposed to think --
subversive propagandists often conceal these lies behind the cloak of
"political correctness." I challenge the notion that
there is something intrinsically wrong with racial profiling in the first place.
Indeed I question the patriotism of any U.S. citizen of Mexican heritage, such
as Alicia Cervantes, who wouldn't be HONORED to cooperate in the defense of Utah
against the illegal Mexican invasion, by gladly showing her ID if asked. If Cervantes were honest about it, she would acknowledge that the
illegal immigration of Mexicans in Utah has in fact become so widespread, so
prevalent, and that the likelihood of a Latino in Utah being illegal has in fact
become so high, it actually is reasonable to consider race as a relevant factor.
If Cervantes doesn't like that, she ought to be honest enough to
recognize that it is illegal Latinos alone -- not Americans -- who are to blame
for this. She should hold THEM accountable.
An astounding perversion of the law by the ACLU to blame the US for wanting to
identify those who are in the country illegally. Why doesn't the Latino
community help with the problem rather than stone wall? Check everyones' ID
starting with me, I could be from anywhere out of the US where Caucasians live.
The first part of any solution is to have the ethnic groups and pro-illegal
people stop encouraging more people to come illegally, and start honoring and
obeying the law.
Since when does the American Civil Liberties Union defend non- Americans? This
is ridiculous. If you are here illegally, please sign the guest book, get your
papers and we won't have a problem with you unless you are a drug runner, human
trafficker, tagger, flying the Mexican Flag on your car and want to turn America
into Mexico. Then if you are doing any of the above, please stay home. My
ancestors came here gratefully in 1907 and became citizens. We all love America!
We need to stand up to the ACLU on this. Our tax dollars pay for housing,
medical bills, WIC benefits, free meals at school, special teachers,
interpreters, court trials, incarceration costs, higher insurance rates (because
they often do not carry insurance or have a valid drivers license), printing
materials in spanish, the list goes on and on. My personal physician was telling
me that if an illegal comes here and has a baby, the government (us) pays for
it, but if my minor daughter got pregnant, the parents pay for it. I have
worked in the courts for nearly 20 years, and I can personally tell you that
almost every felony Delivery of a Controlled Substance case filed involves
illegals. The cost is stagering!! We are broke!! Our ancestors did not sneak
into this country. They entered through Ellis Island and were processed and
given legal status. Big, big difference! Greencards or nothing, and families
stay home. Taxpayers should not be expected to pay for them.
Why don't the ACLU sue on behave of the citizens of the United States who are
violated by Illegal Immigrants? That would make more sense.
What I think a lot of people are not understanding is that you only have to
prove citizenship when you are being cited for a criminal offense/misdemeanor.
When that happens right now you are already supposed to show some form of
identification - no great change there. This isn't about stopping every citizen
on the street and forcing them to produce documents.
Well, if you are Latino/a and live here legally, then stop complaining. If you
are legally here you should be all the more in support of sending home/deporting
those who are breaking the law. If children in schools are saying, "Send
the Mexicans home" well, they are mimicking what they are hearing their
parents say. That is not racism. For these legals who are nervous about what
non ethnics are saying, then such legals don't understand. I'm an immigrant.
My family and I entered this country the proper way. It took us 4 yrs to
complete all the necessary documentation to receive our green cards. Why should
these individuals, the illegals, feel otherwise and cheat the system? In fact,
none of us would have a problem with these illegals taking the proper steps
towards citizenship. But what really busts my chops is that (1) they have no
regard in learning our language (English) and (2) they have no loyalty towards
this country. It makes me angry when individuals come into this country and
proudly hoist their home country flag, ie Mexican flag and basically say in your
face. Deport all illegals including all family members.
The ACLU, 'looking out for you...'
So, if you get caught doing something wrong, and we need to spend tens of
thousands of dollars on you, we'd like to be sure you should be here.How does this discussion get from a point where a person is asked about
immigration status if they are being apprehended (for another reason) to one of
profiling innocent people? Thats just absurd!There is no part of
the law that proscribes profiling as its intent either explicitly or
inferred...and actually expressly prohibits it...and before you
answer with ..."but it will be used that way", stop and think. If we sued each and every time a law had the potential to be abused,
just where would we be? The cold hard truth is, you will have bad
cops and good cops, good DAs and bad DAs...legislation cannot prevent that. The legislative intent is clear here, I am baffled at what EXACTLY there
is that represents grounds for suit....and honestly, the ACLU
creates animosity toward a group where none exists by pulling these stunts...This boils down to the Fed. being incompetent, but refusing to allow us
to save ourselves from their failures...when does Holder leave?
It's not just Holder. Search the national news (Jessica Colotl), Obama cut a
deal with the Hispanic groups to stop the deportation of adults here illegally
enrolled in higher education.
@BU52 says"It's scripture: Our southern brethern are going to take
over the country. All this quibbling won't matter much in the long run."However, I never saw where god said to simply stop toiling for right and
righteous as soon as we see a sign WE recognize. Its his call...until then I
believe he expects we all do what is necessary to preserve this choice
land...I picture it this way...I am fighting for what I know is
right until I feel a tap on the shoulder, and I turn to see him. Those whove
already quit...not sure that bodes well for ya.
In numerous studies of DNA tests, there was no trace of Israel blood in Mexico.
If people are ignoring the law for that reason, they are acting on false
assumptions. 95% of the American Indians have roots in Siberia (Asia)
"Alicia Cervantes fears Utah's new illegal immigration enforcement law will
subject her to police questioning because she is Latina."Well
then we'd better get rid of HB116 too -- since it too requires showing your
papers: your "guest worker" card.