@ Hankie and Howie S... get your Big Boy pants"The big boys are
on ESPN on Thurs & Sat i.e. the days that matter."This just
in...Looks like ESPN has finished off its (2011) Friday night
schedule and two more AQ conferences have accepted the option of Friday night
games.9/2 - TCU at Baylor9/9 - FIU at Louisville, followed by
Missouri at Arizona St.9/16 - Iowa St. at Connecticut9/23 - UCF at
BYU9/30 - Utah St. at BYU10/7 - Boise St. at Fresno St.10/14 -
Hawai'i at San Jose St.10/21 - West Virginia at Syracuse & Rutgers at
Louisville (concurrent games)10/28 - BYU vs. TCU at Arlington, TX11/4 - USC at Colorado11/11 - USF at Syracuse11/18 - Oklahoma St.
at Iowa St.11/25 - Big East game (Pittsburgh at West Virginia OR
Louisville at USF)12/2 - MAC ChampionshipGlad you're following
'big brother's lead'. he he he
@HankieI'll be sure to tell TCU (remember that 7-47 game in November
2010?) that they are a mid-major, also rans, never will bes & others.LOLI can't wait for the season to begin.
Who cares? I'll continue to cheer for my team no matter what this other team
makes and does. With the U.S.economy going in the tank and people out of work,
what's a few more billion dollars to throw around here and there?
Hank Pym | 7:16 p.m. May 3, 2011 SLC, UT re: sammyg | 12:59 p.m. May
3, 2011 "So how does playing Friday nights sound now Ute
fans???" I have never seen a team from a Major conference (like
the PAC (10 or 12)) play on Fri they save that for Mid majors, also rans, never
will bes, & others.The big boys are on ESPN on Thurs & Sat
i.e. the days that matter. ===Probably would not have hurt you
to have read the deal that Larry Scott was cutting.Just look on the
bright side when you find out you are playing with the "Mid majors, also
rans, never will bes (sic)".... All the cash.
Tom Holmoe is not stupid. They needed to jump on the deal ESPN offered, and he
anticipated the Conference of Champions was likely to haul in quite a bit more,
so he requested the terms of the BYU deal be confidential. It's already been
the toughest year of his life.
Duchman,Haha, I like it! Where is Donald Trump when you need him!?
El Chango Supremo,"like they always do when they have a choice,
have kept the finances private"Where is Donald Trump? Like
Donald Trump would demand, "Release the terms of the ESPN deal. BYU you
know what they are, you have them, release them".
re: sammyg | 12:59 p.m. May 3, 2011 "So how does playing
Friday nights sound now Ute fans???" I have never seen a team
from a Major conference (like the PAC (10 or 12)) play on Fri they save that for
Mid majors, also rans, never will bes, & others.The big boys are
on ESPN on Thurs & Sat i.e. the days that matter.
Dutchman,When BYU was a member of the MWC, Utah, New Mexico, San
Diego State, etc. had the same deal and as public universities, their finances
were made public. Because every institution had the same deal, it was then known
what BYU's deal was as well. BYU is on their own on this one and,
like they always do when they have a choice, have kept the finances private.
They can do that as they are a private university. No one is arguing
that Utah got a fantastic deal here. But to argue that BYU's deal must have been
lame and that's why they haven't released the details is silly. Or to brag about
how much better the deal is is silly, because no one on these message boards
know what BYU's deal is. We only know what the Salt Lake Trib and a
few other news outlets speculated, which was only a guess.
Congrats to the Utes and Chris Hill!! This is great news and I can't wait to
watch us compete in the Conference of Champions and at the highest level!!Great day once again to be a Ute!! Gotta love all the jealousy and
negative comments on this article from our little brothers.
@TJ"Utah, Colorado, Arizona state, Washington state are the
biggest winners because they bring the lowest earning capabilities to the
table."I'm curious about how you determined what PAC-12 schools
have earning potential and what schools don't. For example, how is ASU part of
your group that brings low earning capabilities to the PAC-12 and how is OSU, U
of Arizona, etc. not in your list? Let's go with some facts. ASU
is THE largest public school in the country (not something to be proud of,
necessarily, but that's for another discussion). In other words, ASU has a
LARGE alumni base. Not to mention that it is located in the 6th largest city in
the country. In addition to a football program that owned BYU in the old WAC,
ASU has a perennial baseball power, a top flight wresting program, and
contributes in many of the "Olympic" sports. Basketball is not its
strong point.Again, how did you determine who the top earners of the
conference are? Do you have a link? Your explanation should be
Congratulations little brothers!
All I know is that all this $ from this big contract ain't gonna matter in
September. We'll know who the better team is and we're all going to the BYU
creamery after to celebrate!
Chango;Give up! The mature adults get what your saying but the classless
crews numbers are probably somewhat valid. BYU got the exposure. It is up to
them to make the most of it.Regarding Utah's $$. It is a lot of money and
I am happy for them but understand that the networks did not sign the contract
so the Utes could get 20+ mil. The contract was for the entire PAC sports
package. 75% of the revenue will be generated by and because of the two major
California teams and their revenue capabilities in the Ca market. Utah and Co.
were invited to the show and the very generous PAC chose to equally split the $$
after only a few years. Utah, Colorado, Arizona state, Washington state are the
biggest winners because they bring the lowest earning capabilities to the table.
Sweet, sweet deal for Utah.
El Chango Supremo,When BYU was a member of the MWC everyone knew
exactly how much TV revenue BYU was getting and BYU had no problem revealing
that. To say now that they keep all finances private is just to say they are
hiding behind the issue. Again, if there is nothing to hide or be embarassed
about you can bet the terms of their deal with ESPN would be revealed.So, nice try!
Dutchman,The only thing we can conclude about BYU & ESPN not
releasing the terms of the deal is that they didn't release it. BYU
keeps all their finances private. When Dave Rose signed a new contract, the only
thing we know is it was for five years but the financial terms were not
released. So, nice try!
"ESPN didn't release terms of the deal, nor did BYU."That
should tell you a lot. If the terms were so great they would be shouted from
the roof tops. If there is nothing to hide then open up the books."all the Ute fanbase really knows how to do is compare what they have to
BYU."Since Sept 1st 2010 when BYU announced independence, the
ESPN deal and the six games with Notre Dame (4 in South Bend, 2 in Provo) all we
have heard from BYU fans is how BYU outsmarted Utah, got a better deal, got a
better TV contract, got more exposure, got a better schedule on and on to ad
nauseum. Come on, it is BYU fans that have been doing the comparing and trying
to paint a bleak picture for Utah and the PAC 12. Now the true picture is being
painted and a little gloating on the side of the Utes is in order.
There is nothing worse than fb games on the mountain. Ute fans now have 20
million more reasons to be glad they left the MWC and the Mtn.
Chewbacca, Muss Man, Jim MarshallESPN didn't release terms of the
deal, nor did BYU. A couple papers guessed, but didn't cite their sources.
The sad thing that get's lost in the competition to be something, is the
University of Utah just fell into a nice chunk of change, that will upgrade all
sports facilities, and improve the experiences for so many student athletes, and
all the Ute fanbase really knows how to do is compare what they have to BYU.Reality, is both schools improved their situation vs. the MWC.As someone who watches and attends both schools athletic events on a regular
basis, (sorry, I lie, I did not attend a U basketball game this year) I am very
pumped up for the future of college sports in the state.
Again, congrats to Utah...But again, terms of the BYU deal were not
released. So... what's with all the gloating?? Why would ESPN pay
ten times more for a PAC-12 game? Are you telling me that Oregon State,
Washington State, ASU, etc. are that large of a draw? I understand that USC
& Oregon will bring the numbers up, but THAT much more? I'm
having a hard time believing that BYU's deal is what people on these boards keep
saying it is. Terms of the deal have not been released anywhere! A few papers
have guessed, but that's it.
Here are the numbers and these are TV only. Ticket sales, concessions, parking
revenue, alumni donations etc, etc are not included:With this deal,
the Utes are expected to gross: 2011: $4.6 million in Bowl and Conference
Championship revenues.2012: $10.5M in television revenue + $2.6M Bowl =
$13.1 million.2013: $15.75M television + $2.6M Bowl = $18.35 million.2014 and beyond: A full share of Pac-12 TV revenues [$21.00M] + $2.6M Bowl =
$23.6 million a year.
Games possibly on ESPN, Fox, Fx, and a Pac 12 network? Yeah, I'll take that. I
have the first three already. Oh, and the cash is ok as well.Getting the distribution of the Pac 12 network right from the start will be
huge. Good time to be a Ute fan.
So how does playing Friday nights sound now Ute fans????Welcome to
ESPN!Big brother sends its love and welcomes you to ESPN. Glad you
found a channel. Glad you followed us to big time media exposure. Maybe our Big
HDTV studio will be used for your games too?Now let's hope you don't
mess up with the likes of last year on national tv.All joking
aside... it's great that the state of Utah and its sports fans will have the
option of watching both of its great programs on a decent TV channel.
Willary, you're so filled with animosity and self absorption that you couldn't
even see the total compliment in BigCougFan's post. All he said was this is big
news and congratulated you. The least you could do is to say Thank you!Your comment is the nonsensical rant I referred to above. AAARRRGGGHHH!
Too bad so many nitwits that post here and on BYU's articles (nitwits from both
schools) have so much obvious hatred for each other. I mostly skip any comments
from the well-known trolls from both sites. No value in reading their
classlessness.Congrats to the Pac-12 for their new contract. It
should help that conference to regain relevance again. The East-coast
conferences have been getting too much love for too long. However, time zone
issues will always plague colleges in America's western third of the map when it
comes to eyes on games.Sounds like this new contract is for ALL
sports, not just football, which is good. The non-football sports should benefit
greatly.Utes, remember that you don't get your full share of the pie
until the third year. So, BYU should out-pocket the U for one or two years,
depending on whether BYU makes any BCS bowl games in any of the next three
years.The Utes have an opportunity to make the state of Utah more
relevant in college sports. Don't drop the ball! BYU will be doing its share!
Desperacy may be this year's refudiate.
Congratulations to the U of U and the rest of the PAC12! Some comments alluded
to the problem with BYU being tied to an 8 year contract. There would be
"out clauses" for the eventuality of BYU joining an existing
conference in 3-4 years. I think BYU made the best decision they could with the
options they had and financially, they will certainly be better off in the next
3-4 years than they were in the past 3-4.
From a BYU fan but not a troll. Congratulations to Utah and the PAC 12. I read
every day the nonsensical rants from the Blue & the Red. I have
the feeling that BYU athletics would love to have been invited to the PAC but
they were not. Something the LDS church & BYU seems to get use to and the
dogs bark but the caravan moves on. I admit I was disappointed and if I had to
guess, Dr Hill was disappointed too. Utah & BYU are good for each other,
they have been loyal partners but UTAH got the call and BYU didn't, no shame
there. To Hedge, It was in no way a knee jerk reaction but carefully
thought out. Yes they did make the independence move because Utah had a better
offer and Mr Holmoe did congratulate Dr. Hill. No animosity at all. If money drove BYU, they would have made many changes, including Honor Code
changes, but that's not what BYU is about and they make no apologies for who or
for what they stand. Utah is a secular school BYU a Church school, they are
different and so they should be and shall remain.
@BigCougFanDidn't you just slam your Cougars? 2 of those
unimpressive wins was over BYU? And someone named Alabama.
This is a big win for the utes.. bigger than any win on the field for the past
several years! Congrats to the utes.
So this is what it feels like to be in a conference that has a decent conference
commissioner... I'm definitely glad to have Larry Scott running things vs Craig
"Sadly, the Utes don't participate in many Olympic sports,"Really? Chris Hill, Utah's AD has already said that Utah fields 19 varsity
teams and gives out the maximum allotted scholarships sanctioned by the NCAA in
each. Not all of the PAC 12 schools field a men's baseball team. Utah does.
Yes, it would be nice to add men's soccer and track/field. Utah just opened a
state of the art track facility and with the availability of Rio Tinto Stadium
for soccer games I can see that happening but all in good time and the times are
indeed good for Utah and the PAC 12.
@CougzzI am curious where is byu getting all this money you are talking
about? Are you assuming because byu supposedly has a larger fan base they
supposedly have millions of dollars? Are you saying that because of the church
they have more money than the Pac 12? How are they getting all this money? I am
just curious and want you to back up your statement. If you find a link that
would be great. If you do back it up thats cool and I respect that but if you
dont how can we take your posts or anybody else who says this serious? I
have heard many other cougar fans say this also but none of them can tell me
where byu gets its millions of dollars. Is it from alumni or boosters? I really
am just curious? Anyways congrats to the Utes, I am excited to watch them take
on the Pac.
@El Chango Supremo:The newspaper article listing $800k to $1.2
million x 3 games per year for BYU is highly reliable.If BYU is
actually receiving more money, I'm sure they would have stumbled all over
themselves to announce it.Why would ESPN pay Utah more? Because
they're in the PAC 12.
Chango, that is some funny stuff, thinking that byu's deal is equal. Terms were
in fact released by espn and it was 1.1 million for 3 home games. Do the math.
Please keep up your delusions of grandeur though. Quite entertaining.
El Chango Supremo,You're not understanding that this is a deal with
the PAC-12 conference, not just Utah. ESPN will pay the conference and the
money will then be divided amongst the teams. Utah's revenue from TV is bigger
than BYU's because of the conference affiliation. ESPN wouldn't pay that much
for Utah alone, but they're not paying that much for BYU either.
Congrats Utes!Time to start putting that Men's track team/cross
country teams together. Sadly, the Utes don't participate in many Olympic
sports, especially on the Men's side of sports (men only have swimming/diving,
women have track/CC, gymnastics, swim/dive). With $19M I am excited for the
Utes to finally move away from West High School and build their own
facilities.The only thing I wonder about is the 12 year contract.
This seemed to burn the Big12. When they first signed the contract they made a
lot, half way through the contract they were one of the lower paid BCS conf.
Long term contracts benefit the tv networks, not the schools. Go for 8 years,
or renegotiating power after 8 years (i.e. opt out clause). 10-years from now,
everybody will be making well over $20M/yr.
you say this:"The terms of BYU's deal were not made public, so
all this bickering is just silly. " One article GUESSED that BYU was making
1.2 million per game... why is it given any credibility?Then
seriously followed it up with this?Why would ESPN pay Utah 22
million a year to air a few games but BYU much less? My guess is that there
wouldn't be that large of a discrepancy! I have a feeling that BYU's deal is
better than the estimates being thrown around.Oh the irony!!!
First of all BYU hasn't wanted to be in the Pac for 30 years, they have wanted
to be in the big 12 for awhile now, and another thing, BYU still has a national
El Chango Suprempo- Hahahahahahahahaha! Way to mix yerself a sweet blue
Congratulations Utah!! I keep seeing comparisons of the Pac-12's
deal with ESPN to BYU's deal with ESPN. The terms of BYU's deal were
not made public, so all this bickering is just silly. One article GUESSED that
BYU was making 1.2 million per game... why is it given any credibility?Let me ask you this... Why would ESPN pay Utah 22 million a year to air a few
games but BYU much less? My guess is that there wouldn't be that large of a
discrepancy! I have a feeling that BYU's deal is better than the estimates being
thrown around. The only people who know are folks at ESPN and the BYU athletic
dept. I highly doubt BYU's and Utah's deals are that much different.
I guess that warm and fuzzy ESPN/BYU deal kinda feels like small potatoes
now....doesn't it trolls.As I've said many times before; Holmoe made
a knee jerk reaction last summer...something BYU will be locked to for many
years.If cooler heads prevailed, Holmoe could have had a much richer
deal with ESPN and a WAC agreement for the basketball team.Admit it,
BYU left a lot on the table simply because they didn't handle their business.
Ibleedcrimson"It feels like a million... No make the 21 million
bucks!!!! "Nice one. I would be saying the same thing.This is a big deal, hard to understand why Cougar fans can't just be happy for
Utah. Do I wish BYU had the money? Yes, I will admit it.Spend it
@TJSorry TJ, but that just isn't accurate. BYU has wanted to get
into the Pac-10 for 30 years. So to act like they chose Independence over the
Pac-12 is a flat out lie. Were they invited, they would have jumped. They were
not even considered.But I do agree with you. What BYU has going is
much better than what they had in the MWC. With Utah and TCU leaving, that is a
sinking ship. Congrats for BYU getting what they could. Unfortunately, it just
doesn't measure up to the Pac-12 and its benefits. But BYU and their fans know
"How does it feel Ute fans to make an overnight transformation and become
what just a year ago you hated."It feels like a million... No
make the 21 million bucks!!!!
" Am I missing something? "Na as long as you keep looking
forward, way forward, you will see the Utes in the distance.....
Looks like this article did not bring out the "trolls" like Hedgie and
others indicated, so they had to be the "trolls" and put what they
thought the so called "trolls" would say in their own mouths. Nice.
Cougzz,"Am i missing something?" You miss BCS game pretty
regularly, while Utah goes to them so yes you are missing quite a bit.
And somehow all that money still equates to annual tuition hikes, increased
temptations to recruit illegally, lowered values, and teams from smaller
conferences (not making that money) still coming up with regular victories over
the big money teams. How does it feel Ute fans to make an overnight
transformation and become what just a year ago you hated. One of the big boys
rubbing it in the other teams face because you make so much more money than
them. You have all of this money, but it certainly won't end up in the
students pockets and it won't make much difference on the field, court, pool or
whatever. Utah was already one of the best teams in the country in several
sports, is that going to change much?
Wow, so it's all about money now? If it's all about money, I'm pretty sure that
BYU has exponentially more money available to it than the entire Pac 12, but who
cares? It's about the gridiron. When it comes to "money," BYU has
more than it will ever need (not to mention a fan base that is 10 times bigger
than the U). Am I missing something?
Truly great to not only get the money but the exposure as well. USC will not be
going anywhere. The Trojans will stay put in the PAC 12. ESPN locked up BYU
for eight years for a pittance. Now will come the trolls with the worn out and
over played comments about Utah being the bottom feeders of the PAC 12 and
getting all the 2d and 3d tier TV scheduling. They are so unhappy with their
situation that they have to pull others down.
I am a BYU fan first and I am not blue in the face with envy as crisbryant would
like me to be. BYU has a great thing going also. It is what they want at this
time. I am very happy for the Utes and would love to see them reach the top of
the PAC. It would be great for the state of Utah. This money should get their
entire athletic program back in the black and get some quality facilities built.
I say congrats to the Utes.
THis just inThe New York Times is now reporting that the Pac-12
television deal is worth an estimated $3 billion over 12 years or $250 million
per year. Earlier reports believed the deal was worth $225 million per year.Got my feet on my desk and lighting up a big fat cigar!
BYU's TV deal with ESPN = $1.2 million x 3 games per year, for 8 years. Utah's TV deal with ESPN = $19 million per year for 12 years.
hedge,The only discrepancy appears to be a minor amount of money.
It certainly isn't in wins and losses. Of course that is easy to quantify so
you will ignore it.
Cougar Eat Ute you made me chuckle.this deal makes me happy, i dont
know why we as fans care about how much our respective schools make at the end
of the month but for some reason we all do. go figure.
Wow, just wow.
"BYU fans are going to try and justify this until they are blue in the
face, but make no mistkae, this hurts to see." -Hans Olsen, former BYU
defensive lineman. I think it needed to be spelled out in writting
for the BYU fan to truly understand the magnitude of the desperacy between Utah
and BYU athletics.The truly painful part for the tds will now be
living the desperacy.
FYI the NY Times is saying the deal is over $3 Billion
"BYU fans are going to try and justify this until they are blue in the
face, but make no mistkae, this hurts to see."-Hans Olsen, former BYU
Well played my red freinds. Well played.
hmmmm, it appears ALL the media networks want a piece of the PAC12. From what
I've heard from our regular trolls is that ESPN wasn't intrested in "west
coast" sports. I guess not.Latest word is the 225 million is a
conservative number. The actual number could be as high as 250 million.The best part is that this does not include the PAC12 network.... wich in time
could generate over 20 million on an annual basis.When it's all said
and done Utah could be netting as much as 22 million on an annual basis.
July 1, 2011 can't get here soon enough!!
So all this time Utah wasn't supposed to get ESPN exposure. Well, looks like
they did after all. At the tune of about 19 mil a year as well.
Wow what a payday!! Unbeliveable!! What a great day to be a Ute!
Wow. Biggest conference TV contract in history.