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Published: Monday, May 2 2011 6:30 a.m. MDT

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New Yorker
Pleasant Grove, UT

Very true and well written. Here we are in Utah in the middle of an immigration debate and the media has not even looked to see what the Book of Mormon might say about it.

For example, the Savior explains to the Nephites in 3 Nephi 21:22-24 that the land has been given by Him to the "remnant" (indigenous Americans) for their inheritance. These verses need to be read in the greater context of the full chapter, but the Savior says that the non-indigenous "gentiles" must repent. He says that if the the "gentiles" repent they can "numbered among" the remnant. The "gentiles," having repented, will then have the conditional privilege of "assisting [His] people, the remnant" to "build a city which shall be called the New Jerusalem." Of course, this is my interpretation, but the language seems pretty clear to me.

There are many more passages throughout the Book of Mormon on this same subject. If the members of the media read and understood the Book of Mormon, they will be able to frame better questions for the upcoming public immigration debates in Utah.

hoping
Holladay, UT

Yes! Well written articles on this subject are hard to come by. The media is not interested in truth. The media is interested in sensationalism, in pleasing the "natural man."
As for the immigration issue, I wish everyone would call it by its correct name, "illegal immigration." We do not have an "immigration" problem. We are a nation of immigrants. My ancestors came to America legally, learned English, established themselves as upstanding citizens of "the promised land." They adopted what they called "the American culture."
Please, let's call the problem by its real name, "ILLEGAL" immigration.

Allen
Salt Lake valley, UT

When I was a missionary in the mid 1950s, my companion and I gave away a case of BoM every month. Each case held 30 copies. All of our missionary work at that time was door-to-door tracting, and if people wouldn't let us in, we would ask them if we could give them a copy of the Book of Mormon. I've wondered if any of those copies are still around.

New Yorker
Pleasant Grove, UT

To "Hoping,"

This should not be a forum for the immigration debate, or I would take the time to fully answer your claims. Nonetheless, putting "illegal" in front "immigration" is akin to putting "cult" after "L.D.S." One shouldn't yell fire in a crowded room.

This is a forum about whether the media are reading the Book of Mormon. Immigration was just a an example to pique the attention of the media to what the book actually says.

NYMORMON
Brooklyn, NY

People ask me questions about the book of Mormon constantly. People say to me, how is the book of Mormon real? I always respond that the bible is the story of people in the middle east, that is the ones that opted to stay there, versus the people that left the continent to come here to the Americas. Then they say, well is evidence available. I said, first of all the ancient Hebrews did not speak modern Hebrew, but a nearly extinct form of aramaic which is not used today. And the people that can speak it, are a very small group of academics. I also tell them, the book of Mormon compliments the old and new TESTAMENT of Jesus Christ. They always close their mouth, and pause for a few.

Idaho Coug
Meridian, Idaho

"The stories of Kishkumen and his band of Lachoneus, Captain Moroni, the Ammonites and Cumorah have great relevance to modern issues of war, terror and peace. The stories challenge and warn. Their meanings could shape discourse. Yet, you cant find these characters and ideas, so rich and full in our Mormon lives, meriting any mention in the press."

Lane, do we as LDS REALLY think the press or non-LDS world is going to look to the stories in the BofM for direction to pressing issues? Do we even think prominent LDS politicians are going to invoke the name of Kishkumen or Captain Moroni as they run for highest office or lead our nation? Say the name "Kishkumen" even once on record and Romney would be toast.

I appreciate our unique LDS worldview. But we shouldn't be surprised that the rest of the world does not find that it fits into their's.

NoMad
Grantsville, UT

To-"NYMORMON"

I may get banned from this site as this is my first post. As I am not part of or support the LDS.

Could you tell me if this statement is true from your teachings? Which Mormon Missionaries Won't tell me

"They will be reluctant to tell you that the God they worship was not always God."

"We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 345)

Johnson72
Salt Lake City, UT

6 Billion?... that's err right!

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

Nomad - I can answer that question, even though you didn't ask me. Traditional mormonism taught that "man is as god once was, and is god is man may become." In other words, the god of this world is not the same god that has been over all of eternity. There are gods plural. Man may become a god if he does right, and therefore, would have his own worlds. So the god we worship was once a mortal man. This was taught - as you referenced - by Joseph Smith and other early apostles and prophets. That doctrine has now become almost ignored, and I doubt you will find modern quotes reflecting this idea. The world of mormonism is changing.

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

Nomad: The correct answer and is still taught in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is that each of has the ability to become like God. As man is God once was and as God is, man may become is correct in all that it says.

We are all heirs to the Kingdom of God, just as Christ is heir to the Fathers Kingdom. The only God we worship, is our Heavenly Father and only him. Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost make up the rest of the God Head which has one purpose and only one purpose and that is, "For this is my work and my glory to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man." As spirit children we each took upon us the covenant that we would come to this earth and be tested. We would gain knowledge of Good and Evil. Such as the bible teaches that we became as the Gods knowing good and evil when our first parents partook of the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden. Today there are living prophets living on the earth that lead the affairs of Christ Church on the earth.

NoMad
Grantsville, UT

Brahmabull, I would like to thank you for your response. So with mornonism they are looking to become a god? That would go against all of Born Again Christian views.

So bottom line in Mormonism is a denial of the deity of Jesus Christ.

In Revelation 1:8, Jesus Christ proclaims that He is Almighty God!

So Mormons use the Bible, but it is NOT their final authority as it is for the Christian. Their authority lies in the writings of Joseph Smith and their Doctrine and Covenants statement?

New Yorker
Pleasant Grove, UT

To Nomad,

I'm surprised your comment actually got to the board because it is off-topic, but I don't think you should be banned unless you are deliberately "baiting" on this forum. There is no way to tell here whether you and Brahamabull are actually the same person.

If you're real, please don't take Brahamabull to be an authoritative responder. His answer should also not have been posted here by my opinion. I suggest you look for another forum on a different site to get your sincere answers. You'll find those both for and against the LDS Church, but if you're sincere about understanding LDS beliefs you'll want to at least get an authoritative L.D.S. answer. You could try search for "fair lds apologetics" to get some answers to your good question.

NoMad
Grantsville, UT

To New Yorker,

I am asking these questions because I have just moved here. The 1st week that I moved into my home two men asked me what religion I was which struck me as odd. Now I see that Mr Romney is in the news and read that he was a follower of LDS.

Idaho Coug
Meridian, Idaho

NoMad - you will find a lot of different responses within the church to the "difficult" questions like the one you posed.

Some will truly not know the answer as the typical lifelong LDS member's education does not always include these types of issues. Some will readily admit and embrace them - it is one of the reasons I respect Bill in Nebraska. Some will know about them but want to deemphasize them. Even our former prophet said "I don't know that we teach this" when asked the same question you did. And some, like me, know it was taught but are comfortable defining some things as opinion rather than revelation/doctrine.

The LDS church certainly believes some things that you will not find in mainstream christianity or that may conflict with mainstream christianity. But LDS believe in ongoing revelation. If you can't accept ongoing revelation then the church may not be for you. There are plenty of christian churches who believe revelation stopped with the final page of the Bible. Mormonism is certainly more dynamic, controversial and exciting than the idea that all truth ceased coming to earth a couple of thousand years ago.

New Yorker
Pleasant Grove, UT

To Nomad,
It might be a good feature of this forum if we could turn on and off messaging with the forum as a moderator. We'd have to be able to specify user names we would accept messages from. That's not going to happen in the near future, so I don't know how to bridge the gap. Try that search I suggested and best wishes to you!

NoMad
Grantsville, UT

To Idaho Coug,

As of today you were the most upfront person to answerer any type of question from me. Either in person or via Blog. I commend you for your acts. As "New Yorker" thank you for giving me information which I am reading now.

NYMORMON
Brooklyn, NY

NoMad, Thank you for your dignified questions and honest inquiry. I won't lie to myself, because I am converted person, who also has bipolar disorder. And sometimes, my actions are not Saint like. Many of us strive to become exalted, and many of us don't. But we all strive to be Christ like. Other churches view Jesus Christ as god. We view him as a part of the god head. Our father sent him down to suffer for remission of sin. We also believe that baptism and faith alone are not enough, but works are as just as important.Born Again Christian views, are often one sided, and often can be considered extremes. There are no absolutes accept we will be judged. God has what is called the book of life. Its a record of our works here.Why would Christ come down as god and then say, father it's finished. He payed for our salvation with suffering that none 0f us could imagine. Born again movement says baptism is not needed, but faith alone.

Mormoncowboy
Provo, Ut

I'll take a stab at NoMad's question, and respond to Bill in Nebraska also. You have already noted, Idaho Coug's response was fair and accurate. The fact is, the little couplet everyone is throwing around "as man is..." was contrived by Lorenzo Snow, the fifth Prophet in Mormon history. You have additionally cited Joseph Smiths remarks given at a funeral, and popularly referred to as The King Follet Discourse. So the question is, what do Mormons believe? That depends on perspective, and as Bill points out - perspectives vary. Church leaders all the way down to Joseph Smith did in fact teach this doctrine, while Gordon B. Hinckley has denied it. Bill mentions that while Mormons do believe in a plurality of deities, we are only beholden the God of the Old Testament and Jesus Christ. He would do well to study McConkies, J. Fielding Smith, Brigham Y, and Joseph Smiths teachings on Eternal Progression via "continuation of the seeds". In short God is all knowing and all powerful, so he only progresses by being glorified through the expansion of his Kingdom. This is a downline expansion, so implicitly we also Glorify God. You decide what that means.

Mormoncowboy
Provo, Ut

Last sentence should read:

So we also glorify Gods God!

The point is, God progresses by expanding the borders of his Kingdom through "bringing to pass the immortality and Eternal life of man". This is an ongoing and exponential process, or so the discourses suggest. In theory were I, or you, or anyone else, to become an exalted being according to the Mormon plan of salvation, we would begin to do the works of God, our Father. In other words, we would create worlds and people them with hopeful candidates for Godhood, thereby effecting the increase of our own glory as a downline "seemingly" tapped into a singular downline of infinite deities - and this lasting into the Eternities. To couch against the abrasiveness of this doctrine against mainstream Christian sensibilities, many members will respond by saying - "yeah, but we will never exceed "our" Gods stature and divinty, so he will always be our God". They say this while ignoring Joseph Smith's comments that all such things are "one Eternal round", and the implication that THEREFORE, God's God will always exceed him in stature and greatness...so mabey we do actually worship a plurality of Gods...infinitely??

Idaho Coug
Meridian, Idaho

Mormoncowboy - way to jump right to the 20 oz. sirloin steak before even a small glass of milk ;)

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