well i think the U is a darn fine institution :D
sammyg,The ACLU exists to defend all whose civil liberties are
threatened and that includes members of the LDS Church. Outside Utah, members
of the LDS Church have been defended by the ACLU when their religious freedom
has been infringed upon. The ACLU will tend to take on issues important to its
membership. If that membership includes a large contingency of LDS members, the
organization could be made to change its focus and actually become an ally to
the Church. I think that is what President Young is advocating.
DutchmanI have absolutely no problem in religious freedom issues. I
do have a problem with individuals that encourage me and others to join the
Continued: Our capacity to stem the tide, to raise the alarm and do what we
need to do for our church, but also for people everywhere, is important, Young
told a crowd of about 200 conference-goers.Young is absolutely
correct in asserting that zoning boards and city councils can make decisions
that impinge on religion. Across the country city councils are trying to pass
and have passed ordinances prohibiting missionaries from going door to door.
Many home owner associations prohibit door to door soliciting. The church has
to be vigilant in order to protect the right to do missionary work. How can you
argue with Youngs statement, to raise the alarm and do what we need to do for
our church?That statement doesnt sound to me that Pres. Young has
been leading the U down the primrose path. He sounds like a patriot and a
defender of religious freedom like those in the Book of Mormon.
Sammyg,I am not a member of the ACLU and I do not agree with about
90% of what the ACLU argues in cases that it brings to court. My precious Pres.
Young went a little over the top when he admonished all Mormons to join the
ACLU. Here is a report from the meeting held at BYU:In his keynote
address, Young, detailed what he sees as attacks on religious freedoms and
called for individual LDS Church members to pay attention. Often, he noted, its
zoning boards or city councils that make decisions that impinge on religious
Stockton, riiiiiiight and as a founding member of Scholar for 911 truth he was
attributed with the following comment in a mainstream media interview:" the attacks were "an 'inside job', puppeteered by the
neoconservatives in the White House to justify the occupation of oil-rich Arab
countries, inflate military spending, and expand Israel."That
doesn't sound like a theory to me, sounds more like a anti government agenda,
something Timothy Mcveigh would have been proud to say....
Not funny at all Dutchman. Your precious President Young recommends that we all
to tote ACLU cards. What am I supposed to do when the ACLU is on the
opposite side of most issues? I guess I'm opposed to what most
bleeding heart liberals embrace in the ACLU and I have little in common with
ACLU believers.Shaping the University around what a few of these
people believe in is not necessarily what most people would prefer.
I looked and Looked and looked and looked and I couldn't find anything in this
article about BYU so why does the BYU and Utah rivalry have to come up in the
posts. Both are great Universities each with their own strengths, lets celebrate
those, ones successes have nothing to do with putting down the other. Get a
Sammyg,Your fixation with the ACLU is funny but you still won't
answer the question of how many ACLU attorneys graduate from the BYU Law School
yet you continue to denegrate the U because you suppose that the ACLU runs the
school or something. As I wrote, I know of at least two past directors of the
ACLU for Utah that graduated from the BYU Law School. Here is a short bio on
one of them: Dani Eyer has lived in Utah for over thirty years and received a
B.A. in political science and law degree from Brigham Young University. She has
been a high school civics teacher, a trial lawyer, owned and operated an
independent bookstore in Utah County, and for five years was executive director
of the American Civil Liberties (ACLU) of Utah. Naked Truth,I got my education at BYU and back in those days the campus was my
world. Seeking AAU status has nothing to do with going the ways of the world.
It is working with like minded schools to seek knowlege and light. Remember,
"The Glory of God is Intelligence".
@IbleedCrimsonHaving been an Army Engineer Officer for over 25 years and
having worked extensively in research and in combat with both thermite and
various High explosives. I can only say that Steven Jones proposed a theory
wherein there is some degree of a possibility of a certain portion of the cause
of the collapse of the WTC towers may have been by something other than from
the heat of the burning fuel onboard. Thermite being the subject. A thirmite
grenade can burn through 6 inches of Homogeneous steel in less than 2.5 to 3
minutes...easily. It wouldn't have taken a whole lot of concentrated effort to
have stategically placed a relative small amount of thermite in various
configurations to have facilitated what did happen at the WTC.However to
make a point... your selection of his theory and the public reaction to it is a
far cry from claiming that a device funded and built at the University of Utah
actually did function and that Cold Fusion was achieved...only to not be able to
reproduce the results later upon investigation. There's quite a huge
difference in your propostion between the two subjects.
Re: DutchmanYou interpret "The World is Our Campus" to
mean that BYU strongly desires to be accepted of the world? Hurry Quick! It may
not be too late to seek a refund on that education of yours!
Is the ACLU one of those organizations that my bishop and the Book of Mormon
Utah's inclusion in the AAU would make a certain amount of sense, but this is an
organization that moves at a glacial pace. Georgia Tech only joined in 2010, in
spite of being in the top ten of best public universities for several decades.
All of GT's graduate engineering programs are ranked in the top ten
internationally; Utah has nothing comparable.I think being in the
Pac-12 will help Utah's case and develop its programs, but nobody should hold
My son plays AAU basketball. He's in the 7th grade league. I think they could
have beat u last year!
Wow the brown shirt censors are out in force today, I love how Stockton can
bring up Pons in attempt to disparage the U's accademic credibility but if I
mention Steven E. Jones it gets censored. Before you start casting
stones you better take a close look at your own house, BYU has it's own legacy
of whack jobs, if you don't beleive me google the above name.
Sorry VegasBart. Meant to direct that last commentof mine to The Dutchman. My
Bad...I was laughing too hard about his ACLU comment....sorry!!!
@VegasBartOh boy...you crack me up...You use the ACLU as a measurement of
creditbility...Wow...Now I've heard everything... I'll quote Collin Cowherd in
his response to a caller who was trying to portrey golf as the last sport where
someone can lose and be a gentleman about it. "Blah...blah...blah...nobody
cares!!!" The ACLU has a horrific win to loss ratio. People join them for
only one reason...to attempt to make a name for themselves...usually from a
single case. They wait and wait like a bunch of hungry vultures just to try and
get their hands on that once in a lifetime case. To make headlines. That's
your measurement of research success??? Do you really think that kind of
rational is going to buy the University a membership in the AAU. You had a much
better chance with The Cold Fusion angle before that blew up in your faces.
Why can't a school, any school, get to the "promised land" on
it's own merits? What's wrong with this picture?
No MWC school is a member of AAU. All of the schools in the Big 10+2 are
members of AAU including new member Nebraska. Since the PAC 12 and Big 10+2
conferences are closely associated in every way I would think that the other PAC
12 schools would want and encourage AAU membership for Utah. Arizona received
AAU membership six years after joining the PAC 10. I predict Utah will get an
AAU invite in six years or less.Bluto,"Oh the
desire to be accepted by the World". There is a big sign at the entrance
of BYU that reads, "The World is Our Campus". Please go and enjoy
your little world.Sammyg,Please do some research and
report here how many grads of the J. Rueben Clark law school at BYU are members
of the ACLU and how many have served as directors of the ACLU for Utah. I know
of at least two previous directors of the ACLU for Utah that graduated from the
J. Rueben Clark law school.
university of utah???...Research Giant???...Oh yeah...the ones who gave us Cold
Fusion. Remember back in 1991 when the world ended it's dependency on Fossil
fuels. The ones who made it possible for us to go to Warp Drive in our Hummers.
Some (supposedly) top researchers i.e. Stanley Pons of u of u and some guy
from Great Britain named Martin Fleischman. They've got to right up there at
the head of Utah's list of top researchers and will undoubtedly ensure the u of
being welcomed into the club.
I think the AAU is the perfect place for the U to play basketball.
Oh the desire to be accepted by the World. Utah once again begging
to belong to a "Group". A very liberal, socialistic minded group at
that.Like the insecure 7th grader, doing just abut anything to
"Belong".Sad and Pathetic. Akin to Hollywoods weekly award
shows.Some stand on their own merits and priciples, while others dig
the Group-Think.Followers vs Leaders......Utah follows, BYU leads.
As soon as you get your ACLU membership to 75% then Mr. Young will put in a
'good' word for your little school.
@toosmartforyouDude, Its a joke! Chill out! You Y fans take things
too serious. There is no guarantee the U will even get into the AAU. There is a
chance they might. Which will boost their academic profile along with the Pac 12
@Bleed CrimsonWho said anything about BYU? I'm talking about the
elitist attitudes of the PAC 12, not all of whom are members. Do you really
need the AAU to feel you are a quality university? Apparently, in your eyes, it
is necessary. I'd say you're a bit paranoid about other schools
that are no longer in your conference, but that's nothing new, really. Utes
were pretty upset with the BCS in 2005 and 2009 and now that they're in the PAC
12 they think the BCS is just wonderful. (Surely you remember the previous
unpopularity of the BCS on the hill.) Guess what---they haven't changed, you
have. They are still the same elitist program they always were and you'll have
a tougher time now that you are playing the likes of UCLA ansd USC instead of
Utah State and Weber State. Good luck---you'll surely need it. And tell us how
great the Las Vegas Bowl is, now that it is likely to be your bowl, assuming you
are eligible for post-season play.
What? I thought Utah had already made it to the promised land? Why do they
need this guy to be their advocate?
The University of Florida is an AAU school too. Fmr-Utah President Bernie
Machen, who now heads up the Sunshine State's flagship institution, also had
designs on qualifying Utah for an inviatation to that exclusive academic circle.
Perhaps we should be reaching out to him as well.I would love to
see Utah elevated to the AAU's esteemed confederation.
Re bleed crimson:You could also be invited to join a gentlemans club. So
what? Just because its private doesnt mean its better. Of course, we could
concede that point and apply it to university ownership....
toosmartforyou,Does this sound like another good-old boys club, like
the US Congress and BCS schools or what?It sure does! Another club
that byu will not be invited too!
Does this sound like another good-old boys club, like the US Congress and BCS
schools or what?
Did he? What was his salary at the U and what is his salary at UW?
He ditched the U for a lower paying job. Why would he advocate for them?