Yeah, I'm sure that I'd want to travel to Provo in December. Then again, if
Boise can have a game...
nil one"[BYU] received 36 first place votes to Washington's 18.
Far from Unanimous."Tell me, how many first-place votes has
Utah ever received?You obviously don't know the difference between
concensus and unamimous.BYU was selected National Champions by all
five major college football organizations that selected a national champion in
1984 (AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, and UPI).It doesn't matter who you
play or who you beat so long as you impress the voters enough with your overall
season to be voted #1.BYU did that in 1984 (#1 in both major
polls).Utah didn't come close in the final votes in 2004 (#4/#5) or
2008 (#2/#4).In fact, Utah 2004 finished almost idenitical to and
Utah 2008 only finished one place higher in the Coaches poll than BYU 1996
(#5,#5).Obviously the voters weren't nearly as impressed with Utah's
four victories over ranked opponents and Utah's win over Alabama as Utah fans
Sorry Riddles,BYU might have played the Preseason #3 team on the
road in 1984 to open the season, but tell me where PITT ended up in the final
polls that year? Not in the top 25. We've seen preseason teams ranked way too
high (Utah last year, and Oklahoma the year you beat them in Dallas). Why would
Washington & Nebraska want to loose Millions of Dollars to play BYU in the
less lucrative Holiday bowl? There is more to that story than your letting on
also. They played nobody that year. Nobody! They received 36
first place votes to Washington's 18. Far from Unanimous. At least Utah beat 4
top 25 teams in 2008, including 2 top 10 teams (TCU & BAMA). I
hope after we upset you guys at LES this year, we just call it for good. This
rivalry needs to end. All you people that post day in and day out need to
either get married, get a job, or move out of your parents home. Seriously,
does anybody work? Get a life people. There's alot of things to enjoy in this
life than sitting in a dark room posting on the web.
An independant Bowl, "The Provo Bowl" with invites to ND, TCU, SMU,
Utah, and Baylor. If we can not get these teams, extend the invitation to
Army,and Navy and throw in Air Force. If we can not get those listed, get any
respectable BCS team. Don't lower the status by taking non BCS teams except
those mentioned(Independents = AF)Don't let it be another New Mexico
Bowl type.If the Provo Bowl doesn't win the vote, try the BYU Bowl.
That has a nice ring to it and will bring recognition to the Bowl. How about
the "ESPN Provo Bowl"?Stay away from the Cougar Bowl. #1.
That's tooooooo cute. #2 Too many other teams claim to be the cougars ie
Here's a thought. Hey Ute fans. If Utah doesn't prove that they can win in the
PAC, they could wind up playing in the BYU Bowl, or whatever name it will be
called. Oh, and if BYU should prove that they can beat the likes of
Texas and company, they could find themselves playing in BCS games.Now for the final thought. How will Ute fans feel if BYU was playing in a BCS
bowl while Utah was playing in the BYU bowl? How ironic would that be?
I seriously wonder whether many of you actually know how to read. 1.
BYU is now locked in for post season bowls through 2013.2. The fact that
ESPN may be working on some kind of arrangement is not that surprising. They
have already brokered games against ND, Texas, TCU, etc, etc.3. The
greater likelihood is that they would align themselves with a bowl that is
waiting certification. Did a great number of you not read the article? It would
be played in So. Cal. 4. Non of this excludes BYU from being able to play
in a BCS bowl. Given the kind of teams they will be playing in the next few
years, BYU has positioned themselves, that if they win those games, they will
get the high ranking, which WILL put them in a BCS bowl.
At what point does BYU distance itself from the rest of the NCAA by simply
saying goodbye? The corrupt nature of the Bowl system, the awful BCS, the biased
NCAA selection committee, the liberal/socialistic conferences, the
greedy/unmoral players, the cheating coaches, money grubbing teams? How long can
they be IN the NCAA but not OF the NCAA?
TrueBlue,I agree with everything you said in your 2:54 p.m. post.Riddles in the Dark,I agree with "the spirit" of
what you say. You may accuse me of nit-picking, but:BYU's opening
game win over preseason #3 Pitt seemed significant at the time, but as the
season wore on, it became evident that Pitt was a pretender. They finished
3-8.BYU's pummeling of Washington in 1985 in Provo, while
impressive, says very little about what might have happened in San Diego nine
months earlier had they met in the Holiday Bowl.I couldn't agree
more with these two statements:"If you want to blame someone
for BYU not playing a "worthy" opponent in 1984, blame the Huskies and
Huskers.""BYU was an outstanding team, they just weren't
given the opportunity to play an outstanding opponent in 1984."Despite it's faults, the current BCS system would deliver "an outstanding
Captain Sweatpants Oklahoma (locked into the Orange Bowl) and BYU
(locked in the Holiday Bowl) had no choice which bowl they played in.Nebraska and Washington (both Top 5 teams in 1984) were both invited to play
#1-ranked BYU in the Holiday Bowl. Nebraska and Washington were both at-large
teams because neither of them won their conference championship.Both
chose instead to play in more prestigious, more lucrative bowls, instead of
playing the #1 team for a chance at the national championship.If you
want to blame someone for BYU not playing a "worthy" opponent in 1984,
blame the Huskies and Huskers.BYU started 1984 on the road against
pre-season #3 Pittsburgh. BYU finished 1984 on a 24-game winning streak that
included beating two Top 15 teams on the road in 1983.BYU was an
outstanding team, they just weren't given the opportunity to play an outstanding
opponent in 1984. In September, 1985, BYU played Washington in a
game that many naysayers thought would prove that BYU wasn't worthy of their
1984 national championship.BYU crushed Washington 31-3.
Captain Sweatpants Nobody is comparing BYU 1984 to USC 2003 except
in the method the national champion is selected, which for the AP poll hasn't
changed since it was established in 1936 - finish #1 in the final poll and
you're the AP national champion.The AP poll voters are free to use
whatever criteria they deem appropriate in ranking each team.In
BYU's 1984 case, poll voters had over a month to evaluate BYU's schedule and
bowl opponent, but at the end of the day, the majority of voters from all five
nationally recognized selecting organizations chose BYU as the national
champion.The BCS still doesn't determine anything when there are 3
or 4 or even 5 teams worthy of playing in the championship game.The
biggest problem with the BCS, and it has many, is that it stands in the way of a
16-team national championship playoff to determine the national champion on the
field instead of in a poll.
phoenix,You are clearly missing Utah'95's point.In 2003,
there was controversy about whether USC or LSU should get to play #1 Oklahoma.
USC was #2 in the AP poll, but #3 in the BCS poll. Those rankings were reversed
where LSU was concerned. While admittedly not perfect, it pitted two
outstanding teams against each other in the BCS Championship Game.Please don't tell me you are comparing 2003 SEC Champion, 12-1, #2/#3 LSU to
1984's unranked, 6-5, Big 10 sixth-place Michigan!Call me whatever
you like, but I believe that winning the national championship ought to require
beating a worthy opponent (may I suggest a Top 5 team in the major polls?) in
the "Championship Game."3 teams from the state of Utah
have valid reasons to be upset. The 2004 and 2008 Utes should cry foul for not
having a opportunity to play for the championship. By facing a patsy in the
"championship game," BYU has had to defend it's title for the last 26
years.The BCS system isn't perfect. But sorry haters, at least it
guarantees that true contenders meet for the Championship.
Utah'95"By definition, every BCS Championship game has been a
head to head contest of #1 vs. #2."Untrue. In 2003, USC was #1
in both the AP and Coaches polls, but didn't play in the BCS championship game
because the BCS computers didn't rank the Trojans in the top 2 in the BCS
rankings.USC won the AP national championship in exactly the same
way BYU won its Concensus National Championship in 1984, by being voted #1 in
the final AP poll. The difference, BYU was voted #1 by all five major selecting
organizations.The BCS is a farce that is no more
"legitimate" than the previous system that is still in use by the AP
poll.Utah fans who support the BCS, but then argue that Utah 2004
and Utah 2008 should have been given a chance to play for the national
Where's Stockton ???,Thank you for calling me young. Now that I'm
"older," it sounds nice.That being said, my post was in
answer to a very specific challenge thrown down by an earlier post - "name
one BCS CHAMPION that was any more legitimate...."I stand by my
answer - EVERY ONE OF THEM. Not because I'm a BYU hater (I'm a BYU graduate,
BTW), but because each of the thirteen national champions crowned in the BCS era
won the prize by defeating either #1 or #2 in a head to head contest for all the
marbles. Unfortunately, BYU can't make that claim.The question was
not "name ANY CHAMPION...," it was "name any BCS Champion."
Even if it had been the former, are you aware of any other team that won the
National Championship by beating a 5-loss, unranked team that finished in the
bottom half of their conference?Unless you're a Cougar fan, what's
most significant about 1984 was the "system's" failure to pair the
undefeated #1 team in the nation with a worthy opponent. At least the BCS
system, warts and all, does that.What is "naive" about my
The answer is no. The NCAA just put a 3 yr ban on new bowls.
@UTAH95 Obviously your very young and very naive...so we'll excuse your
short sightedness. Until BYU's 1984 National Championship...no College National
Champion was ever crowned outside of the 3 holiest shrines of College Football
i.e. The Orange...the Sugar or the Grandaddy of them all...the Rose Bowl. BYU in
the lowly Holiday Bowl toppled and broke the Holy Grail of College Football as
well as the time honored tradition of presenting that Annual Traditional Honor
by winning the Championship in a game that wasn't played on the Holiest of Holy
days in all of College Sports...New Years Day. That's Huge...Dude!!!
Sacraligiously Huge. BYU was the reason...the catylyst...the infraction or the
vilation of the holiness that eventually lead to no longer Playing the
Championship game on New Years Day. That's a very historically significant
footnote in College Sports. Even with the addition of the Fiesta Bowl The 984
No split decisions... no split titles period. Every major poll selected them
as no.1...undisputedly. What is ironic is that Utah and most of it's fans are
so easy to just roll over and take scraps from the BCS.
"Name me one BCS champion that was any more legitimate than the BYU 1984
championship or any other year where there was more than one team with the
'best' record in the land?"Your question should be phrased,
"Name me one BCS champion that WASN'T more legitimate than the 1984 BYU
champion?"Either way, here is the answer: EVERY BCS champion
has been more legitimate than the 1984 Cougars.By definition, every
BCS Championship game has been a head to head contest of #1 vs. #2. That means
that for the last 13 years, the National Championship was won by either beating
#1 or #2. BYU's championship was won by beating an unranked, 6-5 team who
finished SIXTH in their own conference.No offense, man, but you
should be embarrassed for asking that question.What BYU accomplished
in 1984 was wonderful. They should be proud of their National Championship.
But suggesting that beating 1984 Michigan was just as significant as beating a
#1 or #2 team in a championship game means you have thrown all objectivity out
I believe BYU is one of the few teams that could pull off having their own bowl.
They have an extremely loyal national following, a bowl-worthy football
stadium, and a valuable partner in ESPN. But my question is, "why do
it?"If BYU continues to put a good product on the field, then
they will continue to get bowl invitations.If they ever meet BCS
criteria, they will get a BCS invite.It seems to me that BYU is just
trying too hard to get noticed, like that pretty girl in school who is always
overdoing everything just so she gets attention.Have a little more
confidence and self-esteem, Cougars. You aren't the prettiest girl in school,
but you're no mud fence either.
@ bigutefan | 1:52 p.m. April 27, 2011 If you build it; they will
come?Seriously, BYU has national recognition and who would not want
to come to Provo in December?In Fact, I hear Janoris Jenkins maybe
@ibleedcrimson19 conference championships in 80 years constitutes a
"power"?BwaaahaaahaaaahaaaaaBYU won that many
of them over a 25 year period.ute "fans"......LOL
This is silly. BYU seems to feel it is getting crowded out of the NCAA and the
BCS and feel the need to create their own bowl?? This is ridiculous.
Oh, wow, good ideas are flowing in Provo. Since nobody else will invite you,
create your own. Makes total sense.
Name me one BCS champion that was any more legitimate than the BYU 1984
championship or any other year where there was more than one team with the
'best' record in the land? Winning a BCS title is only as legitimate as it has a
last man standing in any tier of Div 1. The little guy isn't good enough? well,
then slate David against Goliath. But by all means quit naming non-champions in
a multi-billion dollar industry. It is 50 years old already. Institute the NCPS!
National Championship Playoff Series
"Utah is a pretender. BYU is a contender.BYU will play in the
Rose Bowl someday, and U will be sitting home wondering why Utah never goes to
bowls anymore." Are you serious? You honestly believe byu will
play in the Rose Bowl (The Grand Daddy of them all)? Sorry, dude! The Rose Bowl
has locks on the Pac 12 champs and the Big 10 champs! What makes you think byu
will play in a big boy bowl game such as the Rose Bowl? byu can't even get a BCS
bowl invite as a MWC member. All Utah has to do to go to the Rose Bowl is win
the Pac 12 Championship Game. They could go to the Rose Bowl with 4 or 5 losses.
Sorry Pheonix its the other way around! Utah has been a contender
for several years and byu has been the pretender. Remember byu's "Quest to
Perfection" in 2008. Well Utah was the team that was Perfect. GO UTES!!!
Look for us on tv in Pasadena!
"Y does the Y has such an aversion to just simply WIN and go to a BCS game?
It's almost like they know (deep down) that hey can't."Only a
Ute would celebrate a BCS game as somehow being better than an NC. Only a Ute
would accept their second place finish and throw a parade. Since that's the
pinnacle of their success, I guess you can't blame them. As far as Cougar fans,
we've been to the top of CFB and we aspire to be there again. Second place just
@LonestarRunner"In the crimson-colored glasses world of Utedom,
nothing before 2004 counts in football and nothing since 2004 counts in
basketball.Some sort of cosmic event happened in 2004 that only Ute
Nation is aware of."Dude, your color blind! Your mistaking your
crimson glasses with blue glasses.You forget since the beginning of Utah
Football in 1890 up until 1970. Utah has been a power in its conferences winning
19 conference football titles. Since then Utah has won 5 more titles and 4 of
those titles were in the MWC. Utah football did not begin in 2004. The year 2003
was when Utah football became contenders again!Your calculations are
bit off. Yes 2004 we went unbeaten, but 2003 we won the MWC title and set us up
for the unbeaten 2004 season. If you would wear the right colored glasses you
would see this.
What's "self esteam" hedgy?Is that what you do everytime
the Cougars win another game, get all steamed up with jealousy?
Veritas AequitasOh, that's right, to UofU fans college football
started in the year 2000."Your timeline is slightly off.In the crimson-colored glasses world of Utedom, nothing before 2004
counts in football and nothing since 2004 counts in basketball.Some
sort of cosmic event happened in 2004 that only Ute Nation is aware of.
hedgehog"What the Y needs most of all is better
talent."Luckily for you you've got over four months to prepare
your excuses for September when the "less talented" Independent
Cougars beat the "more talented" PAC 12 Utes.The Y isn't
worried about never playing in a BCS game, the Cougars are simply being
proactive for the years BYU doesn't play in a BCS game.It's no
different than the U looking at the PAC 12 bowl tie-ins for years when the Utes
don't play in the Rose Bowl. Are the Utes scared that they'll be just like the
Arizona Wildcats, 30+ years and counting with no Rose Bowls?
I like a previous poster's (think vermin) idea with just a little change: lets
have a National Champions Only Bowl. By invitation, select only
teams with NC displayed on their football trophies. We could start with teams
currently rebuilding like Colorado, Washington, UCLA, USC, even Army, or the
bigger powerhouses too, it doesn't really matter as long as they can qualify.
Therein lies the pinch point for some teams, one in particular. (a
hint if you still need it: must have a NC trophy).
This article doesn't say BYU is creating their own bowl; it says they can if
they want.Isn't it interesting that the fact that we simply
"have the option" to create our own bowl game or do anything that we
want infuriates and threatens the anti-BYU-ites.That says more than
I'd still like to see them back in the Holiday Bowl mix. That is tradition that
is missed by many BYU fans. As a mid level bowl pay-put would be pretty good
for an independent program.How about a tiered tie in6/7 wins =
Kraft fight hunger8/9 wins = Poinsetta10/11 wins = Holiday12+
wins = BCS
Howard S. | 11:45 p.m. April 26, 2011 Taylorsville, UT MUSSing with
UIf you think that a few dispensers of hard truth lend relevance to
BYU... well "delusional" may not be a descriptive enough to explain
the twisted logic that leads to that conclusion.Here is plain
logic...1. You claim independence when no one else will have you.2. You create your own bowl when you realize you can't qualify for a BCS bowl
and no other respectable bowl will partner with you or invite you. ====Point 1. "No one else will have them?" They were in the MWC. The reason they went independent is because they
could.Point 2. "No Tie-ins?" They will create
tie-ins. The only reason I would thing BYU would create their own Bowl, is
because they could.And, with the right sponsor, they could get a
great payout.(Who's delusional???)The reason there is so
much interest among BYU Haters, is they see the potential that, in the year of
the PAC invite to be the 12th body, BYU is building a "potential"
National Powerhouse... Because BYU can.And that just threatens their
Otis Spurlock said,"I would like to be the first to offer some
names for this new bowl:The David Archuletta BowlThe
McRib BowlThe Olive Garden Neverending Pasta & Salad BowlThe Charmin Toilet Bowl The Mystery Science Theater 3000
BowlDude, I Love The Osmonds BowlThe
Please-Just-Win-A-BCS-Before-I-Die Bowl"I just blew milk all
over my computer screen from laughing so hard! That was a funny post! Thanks
for making my day.
Howard S. | 7:59 p.m. April 26, 2011 Taylorsville, UT If you can't
get invited to a power conference... Proclaim your independence and spin it as
what you wanted to do all along.If you can't get a BCS bowl invite,
or a bowl invite of any kind... Start your own bowl and spin it that it's just
as good as a BCS bowl.=====I Still Can't Say It | 8:56 p.m.
April 26, 2011 Holladay, UT If no conference wants you, go
independent.If no bowl will sign you to a deal, start your own. ======Isn't that how every conference and all major
Bowl Games were started?Oh, that's right, to UofU fans college
football started in the year 2000.
Y does the Y has such an aversion to just simply WIN and go to a BCS game? It's
almost like they know (deep down) that hey can't.Utah did itBSU did itTCU did itHawaii did itTrying to create some
"fake" bowl game to raise your self esteam for not being good enough
isn't solving the problem.What the Y needs most of all is better
talent. Like the mormon LB out of Wisconsin.... oh wait.
Dick could not have twisted this moreHere is the fact (not the
twisted truth)In order for BYU to ensure a post-season bowl invite
after the 11/12 season, they must create their own bowl or risk not getting
invited to a bowl when they have 6-6 or 7-5 seasons.makes me laugh.
Except for the BCS championship game, bowl game pecking order is determined by
payout more than by matchups. With a larger stadium, the Colliseum,
to play in, it's entirely possible that the new bowl could pay more than the Las
Vegas, Poinsettia, Kraft Fight Hunger, and other similar bowls.
God bless you Chris B, hedgehog, and Howard S.You guys always manage
to put a smile on my face and a spring in my step! Please notify me if you guys
ever take your comedy tour national!
Howard S.That "illusion" of relevance will quickly be
replaced with proven relevance when you start seeing regular national broadcasts
of BYU football.You're just jealous that BYU is doing things that
would be impossible for Utah to pull off:Partner with ESPN on an
exclusive, 8-year contract.Partner with ESPN to create their own
bowl game to play in sunny southern California every year that BYU doesn't play
in a BCS bowl.----------------------------Back to the
subject of the article. If Utah's Sugar Bowl win over Alabama was
such exceptional achievement, why didn't Utah finish higher than 4th in the
official BCS poll, the Coaches Poll?BYU 1996 (14-1) finished 5th in
the Coaches Poll.Obviously, the rest of the country wasn't nearly as
impressed with the win or the season as Utah fans were. btw, BYU
1984 played more teams with winning records in the regular season than Utah
l do not like the idea at all. 1st. too many bowls now2nd. snow
bowl3rd. ESPN is not asking BYU to do it yet. 4th. where will all
the people stay (with relitives)5th. no way could they put it together for
this year. 6th. snow, snow 7th. what would all the people do in
Provo? in slc?8th. good point ski
At first I thought this was ludicrous, but as I thought about it, I think it
could be fine. The bowl system is an absolute joke, and if ESPN wants to
televise it on a national level, who cares if it puts a dent in the current
Every school should have their own bowl. Then everyone will be bowl eligible.
Yay bowl games.
Ute Trolls, and BYU haters,One question...Why do you
care? If BYU is not relevant, why are you reading the articles? Why do you
take time to post?I KNOW BYU has a better history, better team,
better coach, better legacy, more fun to watch, and brighter future. I have never read a Ute article. Never posted on one neither.If
BYU didn't matter you wouldn't feel the need to tear them down.
All I can say is BYU has a tough schedule this year they have SEC a Big 12 and a
Pac 12 games even though the game against the Pac 12 is utah it is still a BSC
Confrence so IF u add it UP 3 Games against BCS Confrences
BYU has something that is always going to make them appealing to ESPN NATIONAL
TITLE U fans you can bash that season all you want but it was the same caliber
teams as both of your BCS season's. Now has ESPN mentioned anything about Utah
having its own bowl game umm well no so get over it.
Schedule padded with mid-major opponents = Utes undefeated seasons and BCS bowl
crowntown1 | 11:14 p.m. April 26, 2011 Corona, CAYou guys are
talking like BYU is/has been BCS worthy?? Hello! They couldn't win their poor
conf every year...------Yet Bronco has won more conference
championships than Kyle. In fact except for Urban, no Utah coach since at least
the 60's has won more conference championships than the BYU coach they went
Very Snow College of them. Will it be a Top Of The Mountains Bowl double header
at Rio Tinto Stadium?
MUSSing with U"Howard S. Chris B, hedgehog, et al... your
actions scream BYU relevancy."******************Mr.
MUSSing - If you think that a few dispensers of hard truth lend
relevance to BYU... well "delusional" may not be a descriptive enough
to explain the twisted logic that leads to that conclusion.Here is
plain logic...1. You claim independence when no one else will have
you.2. You create your own bowl when you realize you can't qualify for a
BCS bowl and no other respectable bowl will partner with you or invite you.
Bitter and jealous Ute fans.Ducky's spot on.Only BYU
could pull this off. With ESPN and one of the most beautiful football settings
in the nation who wouldn't want to come here and just imagine the goodwill
generated. It would be a holiday favorite.It will take some time but
BYU could pull this off. During the holidays I can see ESPN taking a crew up to
Temple Square and getting those beautiful Christmas lights, it would be a
perfect setting for the Christmas season.Yeah, this could work quite
well AND with the pending demise of the BCS the timing couldn't be better.Since Adobe is coming to Utah County maybe they would be interested in
sponsoring?Go for it ESPN! Great times to be a Cougar!
(utes are red with envy)
You guys are talking like BYU is/has been BCS worthy?? Hello! They couldn't win
their poor conf every year now they want to take on the big boys and lose and
then play Middle Valley of the Pines League teams to finish off the season. See
in the SEC you play a few cupcakes and then you buckle down for league play,
same as the Big 10, Pac 10 etc. You guys are gonna schedule a few descent
opponents and then play pathetic competition to wrap it up? How is this good for
Why not? Snow College has its own bowl so I am sure with time that the y can
create an equally well known bowl.
Howard S. Chris B, hedgehog, et alListen up jealous BYU haters; if
BYU wasn't relevant, U wouldn't be trolling EVERY BYU article trying to prove
they're not.Regardless of your words, your actions scream BYU
@ Taco Salad and the 4 times you voted for yourself:Really, all of
you Ute fans / BYU haters mocking and deriding, a few comments to come back
close to reality.1) BYU already has some future bowl tie ins. Not
great, but not bad for short notice, and this IS short notice;2) The
tie-ins come in handy if you don't get invited to a BCS bowl. If you do get
invited, you aren't tied in;3) If, with everybody already being
locked in for this year, someone still thinks they can create ANOTHER bowl, and
make money at it, by connecting it to BYU, I think that says something pretty
positive, not negative.4) If BYU is good, just not good enough to
make a BCS bowl, any option is better than no option. Could a top 10, one-loss
non-AQ team find decent competion? Boise found U. Hmmmmm...5)
Still, yuk it up fuzzballs, the season will come around soon enough, and our
date with Utah will come all too soon for U. Unfortunately, what we know is
that even with a sound thrashing, it will not shut U up.
BYU has to start looking at things now, not wait until 2013 or 2014 to try and
put things in place. This is farsightedness, not near sightedness as many of
you think. This is unchartered territory. It will be truly interesting to see
how this plays out. If it is successful Chris B and Hedgehog will hide. If not
they will gloat and chortle and hoot and holler as if they predicted it. They
were wrong 32 times with BYU basketball. To each his own.
I think BYU athletics should adopt a new mantra - "Creating the
illusion of relevance since 2010"Listen up Cougar Nation... If no power conference will invite you and no decent bowl will invite
you or partner with you... it could be clue that no one really likes you.The bottom line and the hard truth is that independence and a made up
bowl game do no create relevance.
If no conference wants you, go independent.If no bowl wants you,
start your own.I guess you could call it initiative.
A bit of clarification. The proposed bowl would not be known as the BYU bowl. It
would be known by the sponsoring organization, just like all of the other bowls.
It would be the "GMC truck Bowl" or the "Vanguard Financial
Bowl." BYU would just have a tie in. They are currently referring to it as
the "Proposed BYU Bowl" until a sponsor is established.A
bowl tie is very important for BYU as an independent. BYU could be left out of
the post season after a respectable (say 9 win) 2011 season because other bowls
are contracted to take poor teams from specific conferences. A bowl game
provides 2 more weeks of practice and another game experience for developing
athletes. It is a big boost and a clear advantage for the next season.
BYU playing a bowl game on Jan 1st in the Dallas Cowboy Stadium for a $10
million payout per team...not a bad gig. Teaming up with ESPN and Mark Cuban
could make an interesting event.
BYU hype being BYU hypeLets just wait to see if BYU stays relavent
during its first couple of years as an independant. If they cant get into a
better bowl than one they have create to play a breakeven team they might as
welll go back into a conference.
Coaches: 6 years Mendenhall--56-21Whittingham--58-20 + Coach
of the Year 2008
Yes! I like it. The Cougar Classic. BYU can invite the #7-#12 team coming out of
the Pac 12. It could become a yearly rivalry game between BYU and Utah!
Can you even imagine the belly laughs emanating from Bristol if utah proposed to
start their own bowl game? LOLBut of course a team like BYU doesn't
need to propose it for themselves, they have ESPN doing it for them. It is
certainly a good thing to have a legacy that makes it so heavy hitters want to
do business with you. Quite a different thing than simply attaching yourself,
like a parasite, to greater, much more prestigious, institutions and hoping to
capitalize on their names and legacies.
If no conference wants you, go independent.If no bowl will sign you
to a deal, start your own.Things are getting lonely in Utah County.
Nobody wants anything to do with the team in Provo, as they have to beg and
plead to get people to play them.
Chris B.Jealously become you.
@Cougfanintexas:You asked for the last five seasons (win totals)UTAH
wins since 2006:2006 - 82007 - 92008 - 132009 - 102010 - 10Total - 50BYU wins since 2006:2006 -
112007 - 112008 102009 - 112010 - 7Total -
50All equal. Thanks though.
If you can't get invited to a power conference... Proclaim your independence and
spin it as what you wanted to do all along.If you can't get a BCS
bowl invite, or a bowl invite of any kind... Start your own bowl and spin it
that it's just as good as a BCS bowl.Delusion... it's more than a
state of mind, it's fundamental to the BYU experience.
Not a good idea. Unless top name teams could be lined up as regular foes, then a
bowl with BYU's name on it becomes a negative advertisement. Example: HEY it's the BYU Bowl vs. Fresno State.
Vince, other stadiums would love to host BYU. San Diego, the Colosseum, the
Rose Bowl (a stadium, not just a game), Monster Park to name a few...
I think it's a good idea. I'd call it the BYU National Championship Game.Rules are simple - BYU automatically plays no matter their
record.BYU chooses a 6-6 Peach Belt Conference team to play.BYU
wins.BYU fans are happy because their "bYU National
Chris B | 3:57 p.m. April 26, 2011 Salt Lake City, UTSure, and it
would be watched by the same 100,000 mormons who would watch any other bowl byu
played in.----------Plus you and hedgehog.
Under the current system, no bowl has any more right than another to exist. This
includes the Rose, Sugar, Orange, etc. If someone is willing to start a bowl,
manage to get decent teams and pull a profit more power to them.The
only way the NCAA could not allow this bowl is to take over the whole bowl
system from the corrupt organizations now running them. Let them do that and
implement a playoff.I know this will not happen but could you
imagine a 12-0 BYU playing in this bowl and no other undefeated teams. That
would be the ultimate BCS buster - a national champion that did not play in the
A Bowl game in Utah in Dec or Jan? Are you going to roof Lavell Edwards stadium?
Get real please!
I realize there will be plenty of Ute fans with their panties in a wad over my
post, so I just thought I might as well post some backup for my word on the
subject. 1-BCS bowl games are meaningless- After watching an
unranked 8-4 UCONN team get invited to the Fiesta Bowl just to get embarrassed
and lose $1.6 million who could argue this fact? Both teams that played in this
years Las Vegas Bowl had better records. But were left out because of no AQ
status. What did an undefeated TCU, Utah, and Boise State team have to play for
in their BCS bowl appearances? Every team in college football
practices and plays in the hopes of being #1. The BCS robs teams, even in the
AQ conferences, the opportunity of playing for or winning a National Title. 2- BCS bowl system will crumble- It is all over the news. One of the
hottest topics in the Nation right now. With the Utah AG gaining momentum and
support, the BCS will undoubtedly be closely examined by the federal government.
Many experts agree, there is a mountain of dirt to be found there.
First, I don't think BYU is trying to start it's own bowl. This bowl already has
a name and main sponsor. All that is happening is that BYU would sign a deal to
play in the bowl.Second, what gives any bowl under the current
system the right to exist? Capitalism does! Last time I checked the U.S. was
still somewhat capitalistic. If this bowl can field better teams and make more
money, why should it not exist and let one of the other bowls that cannot
compete die? Who wouldn't rather go play in L.A. than New Mexico?I
personally would like to see a lot of bowls die. I do not think any team with
less than eight wins should be in a bowl, including BYU. But until the rules for
bowls change, this is the system that the NCAA has blessed us with.
Chris B,Please look at how many games BYU football has won the last
five years vs how many games the Utes have won. Once again, you'll find that
BYU has a better record.
It seems many of you fail to grasp the fact that under the BCS system,
essentially every bowl game is meaningless, even the 2 team playoff which is
decided by a computer formula and coaches/media polls. The only
difference between the sugar bowl and Las Vegas Bowl is the payout, which comes
with larger stadiums, and better TV contracts. Winners and losers of these
bowls still fall in line behind the #1. With the corruption of the
BCS finally coming under the microscope, it's days are numbered. And when the
BCS falls, a play-off system will be introduced. Likely a 12 team playoff which
include the Conference Champions from each of the BIG six conferences and 6 at
large teams. The teams that do not get invited to the playoff will have the
opportunity to play in a bowl game.If BYU officials feel that
initiating a Bowl Game is a good idea. I am inclined to agree, there is really
nothing to lose? If BYU is not invited to the playoff, it can still invite a
decent team to come play in the Christmas Bowl or whatever they choose to name
YES...Revelation!!!Think of it:1) The game could be on
January 1st and BYU could then say it has played in a New Years Day Bowl!!!2) It would probably fall just behind the Albuquerque Bowl. So the
opponents would be almost as good as UTEP!!3) It could be a
guaranteed success. Just announce the game from the pulpit at General
Conference and ask for a sustaining vote (which would of course include
purchasse of a ticket) Any dissenters?. Then point out the ticket could be
donated to the DI at what? Ten ties the price paid?4) Perfect
setting!! The Rockies in late December (or Jan.1 - see above) Many will
remember the Utah game (3-0) in November. Wait, BYU can insure that doesn't
happen.5) Brad Rock could then vote a win by BYU as the greatest
team achievent in the state of Utah's history!!All positives - count
Here are some more names for this exciting new bowl that will be played in
Provo, Utah in December (it's hard not to get excited about that):The Mystery Science Theater 3000 BowlDude, I Love The Osmonds
BowlThe Please-Just-Win-A-BCS-Before-I-Die Bowl
Nobody cares that you beat up Sun belt teams and lose to top ranked teams every
year. The fact is you couldn't do it in the MTN? Your probably not gonna do it
as an independent.
Breaking news on ESPN...Vegas Bowl has cut its ties with MWC and has
now officially changed its name to the "Cougar Classic" sponsored by
Jello.BYU couldn't join a BCS conference so they wen independent.BYU couldn't get to a BCS bowl game so they create their own bowl.Classic indeed!
I would like to be the first to offer some names for this new bowl:The David Archuletta BowlThe McRib BowlThe Olive
Garden Neverending Pasta & Salad BowlThe Charmin Toilet Bowl
Let's not forget the other two-thirds of the equation: Where, and Who Else?The where would either be Provo (if so, the who becomes problematic) or
someplace warm. The latter would require a big enough stadium and a community
willing to see the Y and its fans on a regular basis--assuming they qualify.The who would be a real short list, given all the existing conference
tie-ins. You'd have the few teams that qualify that nobody else wanted.So yeah, the Y could start its own bowl. But be prepared to be either frozen
or bored to death.
The tie in that is being talked about is BYU vs. the 8/9 PAC 12 team or the 8/9
Big 10 team. That is not very interesting. I was hoping that part of BYU's plan
for more exposure was to free itself from the cruddy Vegas / New Mexico type
bowls and start getting into the other bigger bowls. A Holiday bowl tie in is
more natural. After all it was the BYU Bowl for a couple of decades anyway.
Would love to see BYU be able to step up into some New Year's day games. Feels a
little bit like tieing yourself into the Mtn channel. Lower tier.
BYU has its own bowl game:The Las Vegas Bowl. 6&6 or 10 & 2.
Book your room now.
BYU essentially had it's own bowl in the Holiday Bowl and then the Las Vegas
Bowl. Can't we just move on? Go undefeated and get into a BCS bowl already. We
don't need any more meaningless bowls.
It would be a dry one....'the dust bowl'?
williary"Utah will play in the Rose Bowl someday..."Utah is a pretender. BYU is a contender.BYU will play in the
Rose Bowl someday, and U will be sitting home wondering why Utah never goes to
Let's stop and think about this critically Cougar fans. If BYU was such a great
get for a bowl then why isn't every bowl begging to lock up BYU long term?
Instead they are having to create their own little bowl. (Memo: if you have to
throw your own party just so you can be invited to a party then there is a good
chance no one likes you.) I can guarantee that if Texas or Ohio St was in
the same position every bowl in the country would be looking to lock them up.
Bowls are about making money and this just goes to show that BYU just isn't as
big as draw nationally as you may think.
@sj bobkinsWhat are you talking about? They only discussed that sort
of tie in for one year. This year. Do you think you can simply start a bowl and
the very 1st year have it be the biggest bowl with the biggest tie ins and the
biggest payouts?The other bowls already have contracts with
conferences and teams for tie ins and a new one has to take what it can at 1st
and then build it up to have better connections and contracted teams.Of course when you have entities such as BYU and ESPN doing the building that
can be more rapid than otherwise. It would still take some time but ESPN could
build it to be as big as they want it to be with payouts as large as they want
them to be.
If BYU ever steps up their schedule and stops playing 6 WAC teams every year,
they may not be elligible for their own bowl game. We all know their record
versus ranked teams. It's a fact that even Duckhunter can't cover up. At least they finally have their concerns in the proper place. At first
it was huge concern about their inclusion in the BCS. But once cooler heads
prevailed and reality that BYU will never play in a BCS game set in, it's good
to see they are planning for reality. But have no fear Coug fans.
Utah will play in the Rose Bowl someday, and you'll all be invited to tag along
to see what the BCS is like in person. Just like you did in 2005.
If we do start a bowl let's not hold it in Provo in a cold weather outdoor
I think it's a great idea for BYU to have their own bowl. After all, it really
is the only guarantee for BYU to play in a bowl.Also, who wouldn't
be thrilled about playing a bowl in Provo, Utah in December? Party time and
party town.I think everyone is realizing about now that BYU should
beg Craig Thompson to let them back in the MWC.
Are bowl will be the National championship.btw, Tom in CA: Utah's
bowl ratings on TV have been much higher than byu's for several years now.
Chrissy, GEICO called and wanted to pitch a new ad campaign. "If I post on
a BYU article in less than six minutes, is that some sort of record? What if I
told you I did it left handed?"You have a bright future
sister/brother, keep it up.
NOT A CHANCE!Why would BYU wish to play, and be locked into a long deal
deal, playing the PAC's 9th or 10th or the Big 10's 8th or 9th when its not
likely any of those teams will have 6 wins. BYU and it's 10 wins a year,
complain about being stuck with the PAC 4th, 5th or 6th in the LV Bowl, now goes
independent to play the lowest placing bowl teams in these two conferences???
That's insane!College Football has two many bowls as is, I can't see how a
SoCal crackpot gets taken seriously with his Christmas Bowl proposition. If it
doesn't make sense, it's not going to happen, and this makes no sense.
I'm not sure anyone will care about a BYU Bowl pitting the 6-6 Cougars against
the 6-6 Colorado State Rams.
Not to be mean but duh! What person with intelligence didn't already know that
BYU as an independent has EVERY right to start the LaVell Edwards Bowl? I mean
seriously? I'm sorry if you needed to be told this, but it is as obvious as snow
will happen in winter.
There could be years when BYU is not invited to the BYU bowl. Ah the scandal...
I especially found this line interesting. "the reason the
powerful football issues committee has spent hours discussing BYU in past
meetings and probably will address it again this week"This of
course is relevence.Do you think they even spent 1 second discussing
I think there are plenty of teams that would be excited to play against BYU in a
bowl, especially with Heaps and our singy D in the mix. BYU will be a worthy
opponent as I predict them to go 10-2 (only losses to Texas and TCU). @TJ - I didn't see anywhere in the article that ESPN is actively seeking a
bowl for BYU.........All of this won't matter because BYU will be
playing in a major bowl before you can say Reno Mahe.
One answer to Chris B's negative comments about BYU going undefeated and playing
in a BCS game is that in the past they played a harder schedule than the BCS
buster teams like Utah and Hawaii and in some years Boise St. For example in
2004, Utah did not have to play road games versus USC and ND. In 2008 they
played TCU in SLC not in Fort Worth.It would have been fun to watch
Utah play USC and ND in 2004 with that excellent Urban Meyer team. But could the
Utes pull off 2 wins? Ditto for the TCU miracle in SLC in 2008. Would that
have happened on the road in Texas?Please, I am not picking a fight
here. I was in Tempe cheering my head off as the Utes trampled all over Pitt.
What I am trying to show is simply the shallowness of the negative comment.
Nothing more nothing less.
Is it just me, or is Chris B a plant from the Des News to get hits on the
website?Why does the kid love BYU so much that he is always first to
post, and always something totally irrational? Could the kid be more far off
from reality?That, or his is paid in "Pie" by the Ute
Alumni House.Either way, Chris, you do not represent all that is
good and decent with sports.BYU is soveriegn territory. BYU is the
wildcard. A BYU Bowl would "out-invite" the New Mexico Bowl.BYU would jump to a middle of the pack Bowl first year, raise up from there,
and other bowls would drop off.BYU writes their own history from
this point on. Just like they have decided their own history on the field.Meanwhile the Utes wait for directions from Larry Scott. Tons of
potential revenue, but really, Thursday night games?I sort of wish
Utah would have stuck with BYU, the team that built the U, and went
independent... Together, Big Brother, and Utah could have built something
special.Now Utah is just another top-Pac wannabe.
I can see it now "The Devotional Bowl" where you'll have a
"Devotional" before kick-off and the presentation will be on HD BYU.
ESPN will cancel your contract and you'll be begging to get back into the WAC!!
@ Chris B:Wow, it only took you 6 minutes from when this Cougar
article was posted to add your comment! You even beat your reaction time for
the Jimmer article today (10 minutes)! You are becoming better at constantly
refreshing the BYU news pages, looking for more stories.I think your
efforts definitely qualify you as a BYU fan.
I think I would wait on how they do as an independent before thinking about a
bowl. I am sure that if their season warrants it, they will be picked up by some
bowl somewhere. Rather than go independent, however, I would hope that this is a
transition time where they can eventually be invited in a BCS conference like
maybe, the Big 12 (minus Nebraska and Colorado). By going independent in
football, they are killing all other sport programs including basketball but
more especially track. This could eventually have an effect on football,
particularly on recruiting because no real blue-chipper will want to go play
football for a school with no assurance that they can get into a BCS bowl game.
Sounds like a redeux of the New Mexico Bowl
Chris B:There would be 100,002 to watch the bowl game:100,000 Mormons plus you and h-hog.That would be about 90,000 more
than who would watch utah in a bowl game, that's assuming utah is in a bowl game
from now on.
Ah leave poor christina alone. He is jealous. This is just one more thing BYU
could do and utah never could so reality simply smacked her upside her head
again with this revelation. Just for fun let's recap all of the things BYU is
capable of that utah is not capable of.BYU can be independent. utah
never could survive, let alone thrive, as an independent.BYU can
have it's own worldwide television station. utah...well...no.BYU can
have an exclusive multi year contract with ESPN the Worldwide Leader in sports
programing and broadcasting. utah....LOLBYU can win a National
Championship in football. utah...well they tell us 2nd is better anyway.BYU can start it's own bowl game. utah....bwaaaahaaahaaaaa
I like it. Seize the power from the rotten BCS. Create our own wealth with a
homegrown bowl game (wherein we control costs, payout,et and do so hoestly
unlike the current cest-pool system) as the program continues to grow.
@ So. Cal Reader. This is just a stop-gap to make sure BYU has a bowl in
their first year of independence. I expect they will have a good season but many
of the bowls that would be interested in them have their hands tied with
contracts in 11. It is cool that ESPN is looking out for them to make sure
they aren't left without a bowl this year. Other bowls will make provisions in
years to come and other schools will be looking at BYU to see if this route is
advantageous.The bowl picture will change dramatically in the next 5
@ crisb,You left a couple of zeros off the end. This is BYU we are talking
about not your school.I think you missed the biggest point here. ESPN is
interested in creating a bowl for BYU if they do not have another option. They
are being pro-active to make sure BYU does get a bowl in 2011. Would they do
that for your school? Would they have given your school a contract worth
millions per year independent of a conference affiliation? Your
obsession is blinding you. BYU is nationally relevant, nationally respected and
recognized and ESPN knows any bowl with BYU will be a money maker.Your
school? Not so much! Eventually, your school will do fine (money-wise) on those
big pac coattails though.BYU will get around to the BCS in the near
"Or is losing too much fun?"I'm sure you would know...
Chris BWhat do you think BYU or any other football team tries to
do?And even when they do go undefeated, it doesn't guarantee
anything in the crooked NCAA system. (The U found that out the hard way.)What are you going to say when they do have an undefeated season and do
play in a BCS game? Let it go. On the other hand...There is no structure on the books to deal with a sovereign university
like BYU, an NCAA source told Wilner.
@ Chris B:Why not have a winning team in basketball sometime? Or is
losing too much fun?
Please don't start their own bowl game. That doesn't make sense. I'm not too
crazy about the tie-in to the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl (are you serious?), but I
LOVE the tie-in the good ol' Poinsettia Bowl in San Diego. I love my Cougs, but
if they really want to "put their money where their mouth is," why
wouldn't they think their record will speak for itself as an independent BCS at
large school after the next 2 years. I imagine they would hope their BCS
at-large options would be much better by that time frame. In the interim, I'd
LOVE to see my Cougs in Sunny San Diego for the next 2 years!
I am starting to like independence more and more. "Soveriegn" I
definately like the sound of that. With a willing partner like ESPN such a bowl
could become an excellent destination with a very nice payout. I would think
with a few years effort it could get it self some nice tie ins for some good
teams. I doubt it would ever become one of the very top bowls but of course the
Fiesta Bowl was once a start up small bowl. BYU helped to build that one into a
great bowl. The Holiday Bowl also grew because of BYU's involvement. They have a
track record of building bowls up.
Sure, and it would be watched by the same 100,000 mormons who would watch any
other bowl byu played in.Here is an idea byu, why not have an
undefeated season and play in a BCS game?Or is losing too much fun?