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Published: Monday, April 25 2011 10:56 a.m. MDT

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Where's Stockton ???
Bowling Green, OH

@Society'sManiacalChild
Big Deal...so you can count 8 fingers...two thumbs, and your two big toes. PAC has always stood for Pacific Athletic Conference...always has ...always will... regardless of whether there is nothing...or an 8 or a 10 or a 12 behind it. Your whining about it just shows how young you are and how immaturely obsessed you are with an acronym with a couple of meaningless numbers behind it. Get over it Everybody knows that they settled for Utah and Colorado when they couldn't get Texas or Oklahoma... The PAC will always be the PAC regargless of how many teams. If you want reality then get real with the thought that Utah is going to get a big wake up call Sept 10th and it's going to be a long downhill spiral to follow...so enjoy your Montana State afternoon for as long as you possibly can til your tiny little delegation of true died in the wool utey fans start looking for their seats among the 92,516 seats in Memorial Collesium If you get 1,2000 there to cheer you on 1/3 to 1/2 will be local BYU/Utah fans

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

Don't forget - UCLA and USC receive $2M stipends, before any distribution every year. So you need to deduct $4M off the top.

Utes distribution is:
2011 - No revenue share in year one.
2012 - 50% distribution
2013 - 75% distribution
2014 - 100% distribution
2015 - 100% distribution

For those who like to count money, the first three years will clearly not be as lucrative for the Utes as BYUs deal with ESPN. However, 2014 and beyond will likely pay more for the Utes than the Cougs.

But what happens if USC pulls out of the PAC to go independent? A strong possibility once they're back in good graces. The network contract will have to be redrawn and 50% of the value of the contract is gone if USC is gone.

And what happens if BYU goes to one BCS games in the next 5 years. They do not have any revenue sharing for bowl games like conferences do. This would easily tip the loot in favor of the Cougs. And I predict - Jake will take us to a BCS bowl before he's done. Just remember, you heard it here!

WHAT NOW?
Saint George, UT

BYU got the deal they were looking for from ESPN.

TCU got the deal they were looking for from the BIG EAST.

Utah will get the deal they were looking for from the PAC 12.

Arguing about who got the best deal is pointless.

Anything, would be better than the MWC.

The only group losing in any of these scenarios is the MWC.

Which is as it should be...

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

It appears the instead of doing the work of actually covering Utah and the PAC 12 the DN has simply decided to link to those who do the work.

-PSUYB-
Scranton, Pennsylvania

The current BCS system will crumble to pieces by this time next year. So being in a BCS conference will really make no difference. Nothing will be keeping teams like USC, Texas, Alabama, and Penn State from breaking away from conference affiliations and going Independent.

I read an article on ESPN today that exposed not only the BCS as corrupt but the NCAA as well. Members of the NCAA who are for a playoff system came forward with a list containing 9 of the 11 members on the NCAA panel whom are over the investigation of the current Fiesta Bowl scandal.
"Nine of the 11 members of an NCAA panel that will help decide the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl's fate attended a bowl-sponsored retreat that included free meals, resort rooms and golf outings."

Why would anybody want to be a part of this corrupt Monopoly?

On the skirt of a federal investigation which will be coming shortly, I believe the loose ends will be enough to send the BCS packing. And a Play-off system would be undoubtedly introduced.
8 teams, 16 teams, it doesn't matter! A playoff is the only true way of crowning a NC!

Utah'95
FPO, AE

PSUYB says:

"Especially when ESPN "The World-Wide Leader in Sports" signs a 8 year contract with your big brother. Apparently a single National brand is more attractive and valuable to a major Sports entity (ESPN) than USC, Oregon, Stanford and 9 other nobodies."

Gotta love the arrogance.

hedgehog
Ann Arbor, MI

'And what happens if BYU goes to one BCS games in the next 5 years"

Cougfan,

Bwahahhhaaahahah! If you couldn't do it in the MWC you won't do it as an "Indy".

pocyUte
Pocatello, ID

cougar fan in texas

You're close with your breakdown, and considering I've put in on here multiples I'm glad you at least got the years and percentages correct.

2011: While true the Utes don't get a share of the existing tv deal, they do get their share of the renegotiated deal from the increased t.v coverage and Pac-12 title game which is already more than they would have received from the mtn.

You're information about USC and UCLA is also incorrect. Those schools only get extra money if the tv revenue is less than 17 million/team. If it is, then they only get 2 million per school for the first 2 years of the deal.

Your percentage breakdown by year is correct.

Look, the deal is good for both sides. BYU's always had more money than Utah, over the past 20 years Utah's been just as competitive as BYU, if not more.

This back and forth between who has a better tv deal is ridiculous.

Ibleedcrimson
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I love how BYU fans make stuff up then after a few months it becomes fact.

Show me one credible source that states theres a "strong" possibility that USC will go independent once their back in good graces. The only place I've read that is here posted by BYU fans.

Also since we're trying to get back to the truth here, the 2 million stipend only kicks in if TV revenue drops below a certain, as yet published, threshold.
There is no reason to deduct something that hasn't even been determined to apply until the new TV deal is signed.

And oh btw you heard the above on 15 different articles first had you chosen to research your "facts" before piping in.

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

CougFanInTX,

The stipend for UCLA and USC goes away when the total contract reaches a high enough dollar value. I believe that amount is around $120 million. With the current projections the PAC-12 should easily pass that amount.

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

PSUYB,

Apparently BYU wants to be a part of the NCAA. No matter how independent they want to be, they still have to be part of the NCAA to compete with other NCAA teams. I agree the NCAA and the BCS are corrupt organizations catering to the bowls which are also each corrupt in their own right. But trying to make Utah look bad for going to a BCS conference, because the BCS is a corrupt organization is simply arrogant and hypocritical. Tom Holmoe trumped your argument in comments to the Dnews when he said BYU has always wanted to be considered for the PAC-10, but it was always Utah that came up in the discussions.

Ibleedcrimson
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"Nine of the 11 members of an NCAA panel that will help decide the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl's fate attended a bowl-sponsored retreat that included free meals, resort rooms and golf outings."

If this is all it takes to be "corrupt" then 99% of the business world including Mormons are "corrupt", if anything its a conflict of interest, such drama.

pocyUte
Pocatello, ID

Ibleed

Not sure where you are going with that, but as a LDS Ute fan, I would remind you that there are many Utah fans who are LDS. Bringing religion into a sports conversation is complete garbage no matter what angle you chose to use.

Ibleedcrimson
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Ok let me rephrase, including Mormons, Catholics, Budists, Muslims,Jews, Masons, Shriners and yes the NCAA, or any other group of people for that matter, religeous or not that profess to be moral and ethical in all matters of business.

You miss my point, what they were doing by attending isn't corrupt and anybody who attends a convension or a conference or a retreat that the sponsor picks up the tab would be in essence be corrupt if that were true.

What they did was a conflict of interest which is long long way from being corrupt.

sammyg
Springville, UT

I think the good doctor makes a valid point.

There are plenty of wheels spinning and some are gaining traction on the BCS / Fiesta Bowl curruption fiasco. When the BCS finally does goes away that BCS conference affliation will mean nothing when there's a playoff system put into place.

With AG Shurtleff enterring the fray it's only a matter of time before others will pile on. A year might be premature but it will happen, sooner the better.

Enjoy the 'drama' ibleedcrimson. Your precious BCS is eventually going down.

sammyg
Springville, UT

Beg to differ with you bleeding.

A good majority of the people that attend these junkets know full well who's paying the tab and they 'sneak' off to these things to attend 'behind closed doors'.

That's what the word 'exposed' means when these things are found out and produced to the glaring light of public scrutiny. Willing participants are corrupt. Calling this a conflict of interest when knowingly participating is 'sugar coating' it.

Ibleedcrimson
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Sammygeek,

"Enjoy the 'drama' ibleedcrimson. Your precious BCS is eventually going down."

Where am I on record as being a BCS supporter? I really hope it goes away. Being in the PAC 12 and being in the BCS are not the same thing the second can easily go away with out affecting Utah's status in the first.

"That's what the word 'exposed' means when these things are found out and produced to the glaring light of public scrutiny."

Yes it's well known that the NCAA folk's who attended tried to hide this from public knowledge, just like a bunch of mob bosses meeting in NY. I can't beleive Dateline NBC hasn't set up a sting and entrapped them all on the 7th tee, it would be bigger than Enron. Holy snikies I bet they didn't even pay for their little plastic ball markers!!

Hondo
Springville, UT

I don't think Scott can hit the ball out of the infield. His best opportunity to get on base is to bunt and leg it out. Who knows what that really means?

SeattleUhasabballteam?
Seattle, Wa

I bleed crimson:

I love how BYU fans make stuff up then after a few months it becomes fact.

Kind of like how Utah fans broke the story that Dave Rose was coming to the U?

Ibleedcrimson
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"Kind of like how Utah fans broke the story that Dave Rose was coming to the U?"

I beleive that was "a" Ute fan, so take it up with him, he hangs out a lot on your articles.

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