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  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    May 2, 2011 8:03 p.m.

    Y fans are so Hung up on their ESPN deal because its all they got. There's nothing else for them to look forward to, except a whole lotta losses to those big name programs they keep booking.

    When the PAC 12 tv deal is finalized and detailed, Y fans will be NOWHERE to be found. Kinda like their football team on TV beginning this fall.

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 27, 2011 8:14 a.m.

    "With all the hanging out you do on BYU articles im surpised you don't know that "several" ute fans made that claim."

    Yeah I'm all over them, feel free to link a single comment I've made on a BYU article...

  • Cali Coug Visalia, CA
    April 26, 2011 10:16 p.m.

    Larry Scott - adding CU and the uou to the PAC was the biggest swing-and-a-miss since Casey was at the bat. Hope he does better on the TV contract...the u needs the cash.

  • SeattleUhasabballteam? Seattle, Wa
    April 26, 2011 7:53 p.m.

    I bleed crimson:

    With all the hanging out you do on BYU articles im surpised you don't know that "several" ute fans made that claim.

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 26, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    "Kind of like how Utah fans broke the story that Dave Rose was coming to the U?"

    I beleive that was "a" Ute fan, so take it up with him, he hangs out a lot on your articles.

  • SeattleUhasabballteam? Seattle, Wa
    April 26, 2011 4:03 p.m.

    I bleed crimson:

    I love how BYU fans make stuff up then after a few months it becomes fact.

    Kind of like how Utah fans broke the story that Dave Rose was coming to the U?

  • Hondo Springville, UT
    April 26, 2011 2:39 p.m.

    I don't think Scott can hit the ball out of the infield. His best opportunity to get on base is to bunt and leg it out. Who knows what that really means?

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 26, 2011 1:09 p.m.

    Sammygeek,

    "Enjoy the 'drama' ibleedcrimson. Your precious BCS is eventually going down."

    Where am I on record as being a BCS supporter? I really hope it goes away. Being in the PAC 12 and being in the BCS are not the same thing the second can easily go away with out affecting Utah's status in the first.

    "That's what the word 'exposed' means when these things are found out and produced to the glaring light of public scrutiny."

    Yes it's well known that the NCAA folk's who attended tried to hide this from public knowledge, just like a bunch of mob bosses meeting in NY. I can't beleive Dateline NBC hasn't set up a sting and entrapped them all on the 7th tee, it would be bigger than Enron. Holy snikies I bet they didn't even pay for their little plastic ball markers!!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 26, 2011 12:29 p.m.

    Beg to differ with you bleeding.

    A good majority of the people that attend these junkets know full well who's paying the tab and they 'sneak' off to these things to attend 'behind closed doors'.

    That's what the word 'exposed' means when these things are found out and produced to the glaring light of public scrutiny. Willing participants are corrupt. Calling this a conflict of interest when knowingly participating is 'sugar coating' it.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 26, 2011 12:13 p.m.

    I think the good doctor makes a valid point.

    There are plenty of wheels spinning and some are gaining traction on the BCS / Fiesta Bowl curruption fiasco. When the BCS finally does goes away that BCS conference affliation will mean nothing when there's a playoff system put into place.

    With AG Shurtleff enterring the fray it's only a matter of time before others will pile on. A year might be premature but it will happen, sooner the better.

    Enjoy the 'drama' ibleedcrimson. Your precious BCS is eventually going down.

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 26, 2011 12:10 p.m.

    Ok let me rephrase, including Mormons, Catholics, Budists, Muslims,Jews, Masons, Shriners and yes the NCAA, or any other group of people for that matter, religeous or not that profess to be moral and ethical in all matters of business.

    You miss my point, what they were doing by attending isn't corrupt and anybody who attends a convension or a conference or a retreat that the sponsor picks up the tab would be in essence be corrupt if that were true.

    What they did was a conflict of interest which is long long way from being corrupt.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    April 26, 2011 11:59 a.m.

    Ibleed

    Not sure where you are going with that, but as a LDS Ute fan, I would remind you that there are many Utah fans who are LDS. Bringing religion into a sports conversation is complete garbage no matter what angle you chose to use.

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 26, 2011 11:20 a.m.

    "Nine of the 11 members of an NCAA panel that will help decide the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl's fate attended a bowl-sponsored retreat that included free meals, resort rooms and golf outings."

    If this is all it takes to be "corrupt" then 99% of the business world including Mormons are "corrupt", if anything its a conflict of interest, such drama.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 26, 2011 10:55 a.m.

    PSUYB,

    Apparently BYU wants to be a part of the NCAA. No matter how independent they want to be, they still have to be part of the NCAA to compete with other NCAA teams. I agree the NCAA and the BCS are corrupt organizations catering to the bowls which are also each corrupt in their own right. But trying to make Utah look bad for going to a BCS conference, because the BCS is a corrupt organization is simply arrogant and hypocritical. Tom Holmoe trumped your argument in comments to the Dnews when he said BYU has always wanted to be considered for the PAC-10, but it was always Utah that came up in the discussions.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 26, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    CougFanInTX,

    The stipend for UCLA and USC goes away when the total contract reaches a high enough dollar value. I believe that amount is around $120 million. With the current projections the PAC-12 should easily pass that amount.

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 26, 2011 8:43 a.m.

    I love how BYU fans make stuff up then after a few months it becomes fact.

    Show me one credible source that states theres a "strong" possibility that USC will go independent once their back in good graces. The only place I've read that is here posted by BYU fans.

    Also since we're trying to get back to the truth here, the 2 million stipend only kicks in if TV revenue drops below a certain, as yet published, threshold.
    There is no reason to deduct something that hasn't even been determined to apply until the new TV deal is signed.

    And oh btw you heard the above on 15 different articles first had you chosen to research your "facts" before piping in.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    April 26, 2011 8:04 a.m.

    cougar fan in texas

    You're close with your breakdown, and considering I've put in on here multiples I'm glad you at least got the years and percentages correct.

    2011: While true the Utes don't get a share of the existing tv deal, they do get their share of the renegotiated deal from the increased t.v coverage and Pac-12 title game which is already more than they would have received from the mtn.

    You're information about USC and UCLA is also incorrect. Those schools only get extra money if the tv revenue is less than 17 million/team. If it is, then they only get 2 million per school for the first 2 years of the deal.

    Your percentage breakdown by year is correct.

    Look, the deal is good for both sides. BYU's always had more money than Utah, over the past 20 years Utah's been just as competitive as BYU, if not more.

    This back and forth between who has a better tv deal is ridiculous.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    April 26, 2011 7:30 a.m.

    'And what happens if BYU goes to one BCS games in the next 5 years"

    Cougfan,

    Bwahahhhaaahahah! If you couldn't do it in the MWC you won't do it as an "Indy".

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    April 25, 2011 11:52 p.m.

    PSUYB says:

    "Especially when ESPN "The World-Wide Leader in Sports" signs a 8 year contract with your big brother. Apparently a single National brand is more attractive and valuable to a major Sports entity (ESPN) than USC, Oregon, Stanford and 9 other nobodies."

    Gotta love the arrogance.

  • -PSUYB- Scranton, Pennsylvania
    April 25, 2011 11:50 p.m.

    The current BCS system will crumble to pieces by this time next year. So being in a BCS conference will really make no difference. Nothing will be keeping teams like USC, Texas, Alabama, and Penn State from breaking away from conference affiliations and going Independent.

    I read an article on ESPN today that exposed not only the BCS as corrupt but the NCAA as well. Members of the NCAA who are for a playoff system came forward with a list containing 9 of the 11 members on the NCAA panel whom are over the investigation of the current Fiesta Bowl scandal.
    "Nine of the 11 members of an NCAA panel that will help decide the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl's fate attended a bowl-sponsored retreat that included free meals, resort rooms and golf outings."

    Why would anybody want to be a part of this corrupt Monopoly?

    On the skirt of a federal investigation which will be coming shortly, I believe the loose ends will be enough to send the BCS packing. And a Play-off system would be undoubtedly introduced.
    8 teams, 16 teams, it doesn't matter! A playoff is the only true way of crowning a NC!

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    April 25, 2011 11:31 p.m.

    It appears the instead of doing the work of actually covering Utah and the PAC 12 the DN has simply decided to link to those who do the work.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    April 25, 2011 11:00 p.m.

    BYU got the deal they were looking for from ESPN.

    TCU got the deal they were looking for from the BIG EAST.

    Utah will get the deal they were looking for from the PAC 12.

    Arguing about who got the best deal is pointless.

    Anything, would be better than the MWC.

    The only group losing in any of these scenarios is the MWC.

    Which is as it should be...

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    April 25, 2011 10:47 p.m.

    Don't forget - UCLA and USC receive $2M stipends, before any distribution every year. So you need to deduct $4M off the top.

    Utes distribution is:
    2011 - No revenue share in year one.
    2012 - 50% distribution
    2013 - 75% distribution
    2014 - 100% distribution
    2015 - 100% distribution

    For those who like to count money, the first three years will clearly not be as lucrative for the Utes as BYUs deal with ESPN. However, 2014 and beyond will likely pay more for the Utes than the Cougs.

    But what happens if USC pulls out of the PAC to go independent? A strong possibility once they're back in good graces. The network contract will have to be redrawn and 50% of the value of the contract is gone if USC is gone.

    And what happens if BYU goes to one BCS games in the next 5 years. They do not have any revenue sharing for bowl games like conferences do. This would easily tip the loot in favor of the Cougs. And I predict - Jake will take us to a BCS bowl before he's done. Just remember, you heard it here!

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    April 25, 2011 10:06 p.m.

    @Society'sManiacalChild
    Big Deal...so you can count 8 fingers...two thumbs, and your two big toes. PAC has always stood for Pacific Athletic Conference...always has ...always will... regardless of whether there is nothing...or an 8 or a 10 or a 12 behind it. Your whining about it just shows how young you are and how immaturely obsessed you are with an acronym with a couple of meaningless numbers behind it. Get over it Everybody knows that they settled for Utah and Colorado when they couldn't get Texas or Oklahoma... The PAC will always be the PAC regargless of how many teams. If you want reality then get real with the thought that Utah is going to get a big wake up call Sept 10th and it's going to be a long downhill spiral to follow...so enjoy your Montana State afternoon for as long as you possibly can til your tiny little delegation of true died in the wool utey fans start looking for their seats among the 92,516 seats in Memorial Collesium If you get 1,2000 there to cheer you on 1/3 to 1/2 will be local BYU/Utah fans

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 25, 2011 8:14 p.m.

    @gonefishn

    I got your point it is you that missed mine. BYUtv does generate income in those other countries and is a completely different setup in them. There are Mormons, and BYU alumni, in large numbers in all of those countries and BYU has athletes on their teams from all of those countries. In otherwords they have interest in those places, and demand for their sports, already.

    But even if they didn't get any revenue, which they will, it gives them alot of exposure, exclusive exposure, that other schools do not get. It attracts students and recruits and converts.

    In otherwords they already have what you only hope the pac10 might get.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    April 25, 2011 7:36 p.m.

    Duckhunter -
    as usual you have missed the point completely,
    1. BYU isn't a BCS team and not in a BCS conference which was the comparison.
    2. BYU gets its money from ESPN not from it's own tv station.
    3. The demand for the Pac 12 in Asia has been well documented and reported on.
    I do not care for these sports but the fact remains that the added content and markets that are available for this product are unique to the Pac 12 and will help it garner well over $200 Million as a total package.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 25, 2011 6:16 p.m.

    the Mtn. respectfully raises its bid to $12 and sincerely hopes the bidding will move a little faster than its broadcast signal.

  • Pedro Sanchez Magna, UT
    April 25, 2011 6:02 p.m.

    Larry Scott es mui intelegente!

  • Lowell Chad Tempe, AZ
    April 25, 2011 5:32 p.m.

    What do you mean by "so far?" I thought all of the games were on ESPN. And why doesn't the Cougs site list the games you mentioned as televised by ESPN, I wonder?

  • -PSUYB- Scranton, Pennsylvania
    April 25, 2011 4:45 p.m.

    Lowell Chad,

    ESPN will be broadcasting the Ole Miss, Texas, Utah, UCF, Utah State, TCU, and Hawaii games so far.

  • Lowell Chad Tempe, AZ
    April 25, 2011 4:32 p.m.

    I was looking at BYU's football schedule and noticed that there are only 3 games listed as being broadcast on ESPN on the Cougs website. I thought all the games were on ESPN in primetime slots????

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 25, 2011 4:28 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    Yes, but there is no revenue associated with that international tv distribution.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 25, 2011 4:22 p.m.

    PSUYB continued...

    Larry Scott knows full well the rights aren't worth $300 million. He had two goals in asking for that much. First, getting past the exclusive bargaining period with FOX so others could bid on the contract. Second, let all the players in the market know that they would have to come up with a killer deal to get the PAC-12. When you negotiate a contract you always ask for more than you are willing to settle for so you have room to negotiate.

    The $90 million deal with the Big 12 was only for secondary broadcast rights. In other words, that's just for the leftovers after the tier one provider has taken 1st pick. You wouldn't know that, because you're only interested in spinning things to fit your agenda.

    What we're talking about here for the PAC-12 is the whole package. Top tier events, PAC-12 channel, secondary rights, radio deals, all sports, nationwide, international, etc. It will likely involve several major media players and the experts have pegged it in the $200 million range. Kick against the pricks all you want, but those are the facts.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 25, 2011 4:14 p.m.

    PSUYB,

    Simple, I'll answer you point by point. We have not yet seen an offer from ESPN and anyone saying they aren't interested is merely speculating. If they aren't, there are other networks ready to jump in.

    Larry Scott's asking for $300 million from FOX was a planned move to get past the exclusive contract renegotiation period so he could entertain offers from other networks. Many experts have already reported, including in the article we are commenting on, that this was a strategic move and doesn't reflect poorly at all on the PAC-12 or Larry Scott. Of course you are conveniently ignoring all the experts, because they don't help your case.

    Virtually every conference has put their contract out for bid when it was time to renegotiate. That's how you get the best price. Even some of the local sports writers are saying maybe BYU should have done this. By settling with ESPN so quickly, they may have undersold their broadcast rights. ESPN got a bargain.

    continued...

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 25, 2011 3:39 p.m.

    @gonefishn

    I know of one particular independent program that has tv distribution in several of those countries. That program is way ahead of the curve internationally.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    April 25, 2011 2:47 p.m.

    Larry appears to just have "warning track" power. So sorry pac 1.2

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    April 25, 2011 1:51 p.m.

    Larry Scott is going to "make it rain". Because of the size and scope of the TV package the Pac 12 is offering the money will set a new high water mark for any conference.

    PSUYB - You make it entirely to easy to poke holes in your logic. Set football and basketball aside, the "Olympic" sports alone are going to garner more money than some of the BCS conferences entire tv deals. Do you know of another confernce that is going to have distribution in China, Japan, South Korea and Indonesia amognst other places? I did not think so.

  • -PSUYB- Scranton, Pennsylvania
    April 25, 2011 1:44 p.m.

    Mormon Ute,

    Explain to me how it is just getting better and better?

    ESPN has no interest in the PAC, and FOX has already turned down the incredibly overvalued offer from Larry Scott. All of the major networks know that USC and Oregon bring the only legitimate value to the PAC.

    That is exactly why the media rights are going to be auctioned off to the highest bidder. But neither ESPN or FOX appears to have any interest so who will bid? Nobody has made an offer at this point.

    Just because Larry Scott & Co. want the nation wide exposure and $300 million in TV revenue does not mean that they will get it? But why not swing for the fence, he has already done it once before and crashed hard.The attempt to pull in the Southern Big 12 Division to form a 16 team Super Conference failed.

    If the likes of Texas, OU, TAMU, and Oklahoma State can only pull in a $90 million TV contract. How Can the PAC with only USC (currently on probation) and Oregon (never won a NC) hope to gain a larger contract?

    I dont see it?

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    April 25, 2011 1:30 p.m.

    @ -PSUYB-

    Especially when ESPN "The World-Wide Leader in Sports" signs a 8 year contract with your big brother.

    First off! ESPN also signed a deal with Texas thats worth 3 times as much money as byu. Texas is a goldmine in college football. byu is not! An eight year contract worth about $6-8 million a year, is that all? The Big East and ACC schools make more money then the Y. The Pac 12 schools are about to hit $17-20 million a year.

    Secondly, byu being the older brother? tell me what logic you use in referring the Y as the older brother?

    Utah is the older brother because the U was established 1850, byu 1875. Utah is older! Or if your going by Athlectics mainly football. Utah owns the rivalry 54-34-4. Utah according to head to head supremacy and establishment is the "older brother"

  • MenaceToSociety Draper, UT
    April 25, 2011 1:22 p.m.

    First off, PSUYB,

    It's the Pac 12. It's not the PAC. What is the PAC? The Pacific Athletic Conference?

    Secondly, the Pac 10/12 is the last one because of when their current TV deal ends. And it's current TV deal ends at an extremely beneficial time. It's good to be the Pac 10/12 right now. They are about to hit a grand slam.

    And little brother's deal with ESPN? Yeah, they're playing Friday night games to get on TV. And many of their games will likely end up on ESPN3. Who can watch ESPN3? That's some interweb broadcast, right?

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 25, 2011 12:37 p.m.

    PSUYB,

    Actually this is all great news. No sting at all and quite the opposite. By being the last to negotiate, the PAC-12 stands to gain the most as the bidding war rises to new levels. You have picked some quotes out of context to fit the negative perspective you wish were the case. The article wasn't putting anything in a negative light, but was pointing out all the positives about the situation, which are many. It's great to see another media outlet put a positive light on the PAC-12 media rights. It's looking better and better. Especially the part about football and men's basketball getting broadcast nationally instead of regionally to avoid the problems inherent in regional broadcasts.

    You Cougar fans that insist on spouting off negative comments every time an article comes out about PAC-12 media rights are looking more and more foolish as you try to put a negative spin on something that is looking better and better as the weeks go on.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    April 25, 2011 12:10 p.m.

    Beano thinks that UM will be at OSU in 2012? This is the same Beano Cook that said Rown Powlus would win not one, but two, heisman trophies before ending his college career.

    I can understand making a mistake, but that is a little over the top. Then again, OSU is in trouble, Tressel is in trouble and UM would be a natural fit.

  • -PSUYB- Scranton, Pennsylvania
    April 25, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    "ESPN is bent on keeping SEC, ACC and Big East rights. The Big Ten has a collection of partners. And Fox took the Big 12.
    The Pac-12 is the last one standing alone at the dance."

    Man that must sting.
    Especially when ESPN "The World-Wide Leader in Sports" signs a 8 year contract with your big brother.
    Apparently a single National brand is more attractive and valuable to a major Sports entity (ESPN) than USC, Oregon, Stanford and 9 other nobodies.

    I am thinking the PAC will be lucky to get 120 million. Nobody wants them bad enough to compensate for the over inflation of Larry Scott's negotiations. I'm sorry, but the PAC will NEVER hold the same value as the SEC, BIG 10, ACC, or BIG 12. Get used to it.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    April 25, 2011 11:17 a.m.

    Looks like Zane is a shoe in to get drafted in the NFL.

    I've not heard of one kewg projected in this years NFL draft....I guess the drought continues.